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July 23, 2012, 09:31:03 PM
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lol, impressive refutation guys. hitting the ignore button after 2-3 posts counts as a immunisation strategy in my book. or maybe i am just the most effective troll in recorded internet history...
i have no tv btw  Wink

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July 23, 2012, 09:39:47 PM
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According to the TV, Iran is the devil.

I am surprised you are allowed to be on this website.

I call for a ban!

In my point of view, USA is much more evil than any other countries.

Years ago, I used to scoff at statements like the above, but over the past couple years, I've been starting to lean the other way, seeing us (US) through other's eyes.

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July 24, 2012, 11:45:30 AM
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Is there a project already of any kind that lists our reach for regions and languages? Like a checklist per country of availability of local(ized):

There is no Persian version of the Bitcoin wiki yet.  Anyone can champion that effort though.

For some of the apps and sites, all that is needed are string translations and support will be added.  Some of these that have active efforts to expand translations include Bitstamp, and BitcoinNordic (exchanges), Bitcoin.org and MultiBit (clients), Bitcoin Spinner, Paytunia (online and mobile wallets) and SatoshiDICE.com (merchants).  There are more, these are just examples.

There is an Iranian digital currency exchange:

 - https://karsha.biz/?do=contact

Also, BitcoinNordic.com now accepts CashU cards, which is used in much of the Middle East.  It looks like years ago they had locations where the cards could be purchased in Iran, but not anymore.  Just thought I'ld mention it though in case it is relevant.

Lastly to get BTC to for example Iran there needs to be something to sell from these countries. IRR are not really useful for anything outside of Iran so Iran would have to export something else in exchange for in-flowing BTC.

Bitcoin is suited well for use by tourists and for business travel.  Suggesting that bitcoins can be used to exchange locally for IRRs gives the traveler the ability to not have to carry much cash while traveling there.    Also, at internet cafes and other places where gamers and techies are found, sometime online and in-game transactions will allow purchases using a voucher method and then Bitcoin available for withdrawals (e.g., Second Life Lindens on VirWoX).

There are no doubt thousands of opportunities missed daily because Bitcoin are not widely known or available yet.  All it takes though are for a few developments to get things started and then progress can build from there.  For instance, I once handed over a fraction of a bitcoin using a paper bitcoin created by BitAddress:
 - http://www.BitAddress.org
The coin from that paper then was sent via coinapult through e-mail to someone else, then through InstaWallet to another party before finally being spent on a game of chance. At least four people then learned how bitcoin can be used and one later invested in a small amount after reading up further.

But it takes a catalyst, and people like us -- who can see the potential, and effect change to move bitcoin forward, are it.

[Update: A Farsi translation for Mutibit has been released:
 https://twitter.com/MultiBitOrg/status/227708399750610945 ]

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July 24, 2012, 01:39:31 PM
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[Update: A Farsi translation for Mutibit has been released:
 https://twitter.com/MultiBitOrg/status/227708399750610945 ]

Because of this thread I have added Farsi/ Persian to the list of target languages for MultiBit but it is (currently) just 6% done. Anyone who would like to contribute to translating it, please have a look at the
MultiBit translation site.

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July 25, 2012, 01:55:14 AM
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The demographics of Iran seem to make it a fertile ground for adoption of Bitcoin: lots of young people, many un/under-employed college educated people, relative oppression of the young by the state...I ran a proxy server for computers in Iran after the last election debacle a few years back, hoping to be a small part of helping them take their own freedom from the govt.

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October 03, 2012, 12:59:42 AM
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I have added Farsi/ Persian to the list of target languages for MultiBit but it is (currently) just 6% done.


22% done now.

 - http://translate.multibit.org

Is there anything someone who does not read/write Farsi can do to help hurry this up?  (e.g., donate towards a bounty?)

How Does a Currency Drop 60% in 8 Days? Just Ask Iran
 - http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/10/02/162165257/currency-in-crisis-collapse-of-irans-rial-continues




Anyone who would like to contribute to translating it, please have a look at the MultiBit translation site.

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October 03, 2012, 01:54:48 AM
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I have added Farsi/ Persian to the list of target languages for MultiBit but it is (currently) just 6% done.


22% done now.

 - http://translate.multibit.org

Is there anything someone who does not read/write Farsi can do to help hurry this up?  (e.g., donate towards a bounty?)

How Does a Currency Drop 60% in 8 Days? Just Ask Iran
 - http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/10/02/162165257/currency-in-crisis-collapse-of-irans-rial-continues




Anyone who would like to contribute to translating it, please have a look at the MultiBit translation site.

I pledge 1 BTC towards a farsi translation of multibit.

(I think many other resources of bitcoin should be translated first but jim stepped up asking for it, so I support this now.)

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October 03, 2012, 02:05:41 AM
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fornit aside, this is a great thread...watching this one

This is not some pseudoeconomic post-modern Libertarian cult, it's an un-led, crowd-sourced mega startup organized around mutual self-interest where problems, whether of the theoretical or purely practical variety, are treated as temporary and, ultimately, solvable.
Censorship of e-gold was easy. Censorship of Bitcoin will be… entertaining.
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October 03, 2012, 02:31:38 AM
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Where is this chart from? The linked article has no charts.

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October 03, 2012, 09:37:08 AM
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I pledge 1 BTC towards a farsi translation of multibit.

(I think many other resources of bitcoin should be translated first but jim stepped up asking for it, so I support this now.)

Thanks for the pledge giszmo.

To help get a Farsi speaker, I have tweeted from the MultiBitOrg twitter account about it:
https://twitter.com/MultiBitOrg/status/253427704618160128

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October 03, 2012, 02:54:19 PM
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scourcforge plays politics and puts an embargo on the people of Iran??
Why? Thats wrong.
Sourceforge is forced to do that by the dictatorship, we are not free  Wink
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October 03, 2012, 07:45:18 PM
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Where is this chart from? The linked article has no charts.

Sorry, yes that was from a different article:
 - http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/10/how-does-a-currency-drop-60-in-8-days-just-ask-iran/263159/

[Update: And in greater detail here:
 - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-03/guest-post-hyperinflation-has-arrived-iran ]

To help get a Farsi speaker, I have tweeted from the MultiBitOrg twitter account about it:
https://twitter.com/MultiBitOrg/status/253427704618160128

Jim, perhaps set up a Bitcoin address so that donations targeted to this feature can be sent?  Also, you might have multiple contributors of translations, how would a bounty be allocated?  (e.g., the bounty split proportionate to all all translations performed on Crowdin between now and a certain date (e.g., Nov 30th).  Or should there be one person that agrees to do all the remaining translations to receive the bounty?  )

Though there are several hundred phrases remaining, I can't see this being too big a job for one person fluent in the language who would knock these out after being incented with a decent bounty.

BTW, I pledge 1 BTC towards the Persian translation bounty as well.

[Update: The Multibit thread:
 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=43616.msg1241474#msg1241474 ]

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October 03, 2012, 09:33:25 PM
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Hi Stephen,

Thanks for your pledge !

I will set up an address specifically for the Farsi translation tomorrow (Thursday).
If multiple translators work on it I can pro rata the bounty by number of terms done as crowdin.net gives me that. You are right there should be a date cutoff - your end 30th Nov 2012 will do nicely.

For a fluent Farsi speaker who knows Bitcoin it is probably somewhere about 6 hours work.

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October 04, 2012, 10:05:28 AM
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I have set up a bounty address for anyone who would like to contribute to the Farsi/ Persian translation of MultiBit.

The bounty address is: 1K6EJJYftWNyhre3codjT4jWyczrdRVG1n
Or, as a QR code:



The terms of the bounty I have added to: http://multibit.org/ (below the screenshots)

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October 04, 2012, 12:41:45 PM
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The bounty address is: 1K6EJJYftWNyhre3codjT4jWyczrdRVG1n

Sent.

Incidentally,

This is what happened to you if you offered to exchange your dollars for rial on Tuesday (you were met with a long line of customers):




This is what happened to you if you did the same thing on Wednesday:



 - http://twitter.com/mojtabamo/status/253751126472654848





And it is only the beginning for them:

Europe Weighs More Sanctions as Iran’s Currency Plummets
 - http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-10-03/europe-weighs-more-sanctions-as-iran-s-currency-plummets
 

Police in Iran clash with currency protesters
 - http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/10/2012103113527747494.html

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October 04, 2012, 03:04:21 PM
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I have set up a bounty address for anyone who would like to contribute to the Farsi/ Persian translation of MultiBit.

The bounty address is: 1K6EJJYftWNyhre3codjT4jWyczrdRVG1n
Or, as a QR code:



The terms of the bounty I have added to: http://multibit.org/ (below the screenshots)

Could you please state what will happen if the bounty does not get claimed? I will send my Ƀ if I get it back rather than it being sent to your wallet for simplicity. Also please blockchaininfofy your Ƀ address above.

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October 04, 2012, 03:34:04 PM
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Hi giszmo,

I have added a 'Small print' section to the bounty as follows:

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Small print:

1) If the bounty is not claimed, BTC will be returned within 7 days of the bounty end to the address of the first transaction output consumed by the sending transaction. (This means you should send it from an address you definitely control i.e. no green addresses).

2) Any BTC sent to the bounty address after the end of the bounty will be transferred to the general MultiBit donation address.
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What I mean by this is, if you look at the very first transaction sent to that address it is:

Code:
 1865474a418491fdc903f1934e2c93a30bfcaf572f462e2b9120ac6de3b009ae:
     from 12F8uztWoQQRPuZ7XPSnYDkKJ5MnvQZuwC / outpoint 251b28ab6ab8035bb02e846297594fc31272544f110c49ec351a2f4468346ca4:1
       to 1K6EJJYftWNyhre3codjT4jWyczrdRVG1n 0.10 BTC
       to 12F8uztWoQQRPuZ7XPSnYDkKJ5MnvQZuwC 0.24 BTC

A refund would be sent to: 12F8uztWoQQRPuZ7XPSnYDkKJ5MnvQZuwC


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October 04, 2012, 04:00:18 PM
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Hi giszmo,

I have added a 'Small print' section to the bounty as follows:

----------------------------------------------------
Small print:

1) If the bounty is not claimed, BTC will be returned within 7 days of the bounty end to the address of the first transaction output consumed by the sending transaction. (This means you should send it from an address you definitely control i.e. no green addresses).

2) Any BTC sent to the bounty address after the end of the bounty will be transferred to the general MultiBit donation address.
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What I mean by this is, if you look at the very first transaction sent to that address it is:

Code:
 1865474a418491fdc903f1934e2c93a30bfcaf572f462e2b9120ac6de3b009ae:
     from 12F8uztWoQQRPuZ7XPSnYDkKJ5MnvQZuwC / outpoint 251b28ab6ab8035bb02e846297594fc31272544f110c49ec351a2f4468346ca4:1
       to 1K6EJJYftWNyhre3codjT4jWyczrdRVG1n 0.10 BTC
       to 12F8uztWoQQRPuZ7XPSnYDkKJ5MnvQZuwC 0.24 BTC

A refund would be sent to: 12F8uztWoQQRPuZ7XPSnYDkKJ5MnvQZuwC

Ok, sent 1BTC. I'm curious why do you send to "the first non-bounty output" rather than "the first input"? The inputs are save to use while the outputs (you even acknowledge that there could be more than 2 outputs) could be some other bills paid aka not in the senders possession.

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Ok, sent 1BTC. I'm curious why do you send to "the first non-bounty output" rather than "the first input"? The inputs are save to use while the outputs (you even acknowledge that there could be more than 2 outputs) could be some other bills paid aka not in the senders possession.

Thanks!
I think it is a matter of "one transaction's output is the next ones input" so perhaps I was not clear enough.
What I mean is:

Person X sends 5 BTC to the donation address. Say the transaction that does this consumes the following existing transaction outputs to make up the 5 BTC.
    Transaction T1, outpoint 1, that was sent to address A1, value 1 BTC    
    Transaction T2, outpoint 2, that was sent to address A2, value 2 BTC    
    Transaction T3, outpoint 1, that was sent to address A3, value 3 BTC

(There will be change of 1 BTC going somewhere but that is unimportant here.).

By the "small print" rule, the first output consumed by the sending transaction is "Transaction T1, outpoint 1". This is controlled by the key to address A1 which the user should have as long as it is not a green address. They should have it as they signed the transaction to send the value to the donation address. The change will go there.

Edit: to give a concrete example, the transaction that you just sent to the donation address is as follows:
 
Code:
04ec2eb732050e792b081bb7977038a13c5e3242b67ef158cc80dadc2192d6b8:
     from 127dvNfYuQa8xLYco8d8zZ62a8uGiYVuM8 / outpoint 5d4131d4ec4da2409b3e29640a723303b8684144e1efaaec973350e40f9e53a2:0
       to 1DBjxbagbuy6tyV8rH9mqM5UGepGVhjn9a 4.29 BTC
       to 1K6EJJYftWNyhre3codjT4jWyczrdRVG1n 1.00 BTC

Any refund would go to 127dvNfYuQa8xLYco8d8zZ62a8uGiYVuM8

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Ok, sent 1BTC. I'm curious why do you send to "the first non-bounty output" rather than "the first input"? The inputs are save to use while the outputs (you even acknowledge that there could be more than 2 outputs) could be some other bills paid aka not in the senders possession.

Thanks!
I think it is a matter of "one transaction's output is the next ones input" so perhaps I was not clear enough.
What I mean is:

Person X sends 5 BTC to the donation address. Say the transaction that does this consumes the following existing transaction outputs to make up the 5 BTC.
    Transaction T1, outpoint 1, that was sent to address A1, value 1 BTC    
    Transaction T2, outpoint 2, that was sent to address A2, value 2 BTC    
    Transaction T3, outpoint 1, that was sent to address A3, value 3 BTC

(There will be change of 1 BTC going somewhere but that is unimportant here.).

By the "small print" rule, the first output consumed by the sending transaction is "Transaction T1, outpoint 1". This is controlled by the key to address A1 which the user should have as long as it is not a green address. They should have it as they signed the transaction to send the value to the donation address. The change will go there.

Edit: to give a concrete example, the transaction that you just sent to the donation address is as follows:
 
Code:
04ec2eb732050e792b081bb7977038a13c5e3242b67ef158cc80dadc2192d6b8:
     from 127dvNfYuQa8xLYco8d8zZ62a8uGiYVuM8 / outpoint 5d4131d4ec4da2409b3e29640a723303b8684144e1efaaec973350e40f9e53a2:0
       to 1DBjxbagbuy6tyV8rH9mqM5UGepGVhjn9a 4.29 BTC
       to 1K6EJJYftWNyhre3codjT4jWyczrdRVG1n 1.00 BTC

Any refund would go to 127dvNfYuQa8xLYco8d8zZ62a8uGiYVuM8


Ok, so while I still have difficulties understanding your wording, this example definitely is clearer. The other example apparently was a bitcoin spinner with the only input address also being the return address.

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