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May 11, 2015, 03:42:41 AM
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Dice isn't a game of skill. Being "dumb" doesn't change the house edge. However you play the edge is the same, unless the site is cheating.

Haha... Thats so true. I know a guy who was trying to lose so hard. Betting "dumb" and he just couldn't lose and eventually went up A LOT.
So yeah , doesn't matter if u are dumb or smart , all that matters is house edge and ur luck Smiley .

When testing changes to Just-Dice I will sometimes try to lose, and it's hard. The 1% edge is tiny if you don't play for long.

The most effective way of losing is to play with a very low chance of winning, but then it can go horribly wrong and you win a massive payout if you're unlucky.

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May 11, 2015, 05:27:44 AM
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Yep i dont think its a scam either, i used to play there and it just seems that most of the people who play there are pretty dumb wich would explain why their profit is so high with such low house edge

Dice isn't a game of skill. Being "dumb" doesn't change the house edge. However you play the edge is the same, unless the site is cheating.

Haha... Thats so true. I know a guy who was trying to lose so hard. Betting "dumb" and he just couldn't lose and eventually went up A LOT.
So yeah , doesn't matter if u are dumb or smart , all that matters is house edge and ur luck Smiley .

But what does matter is if you quit or you still play there and when i was playing there the users in chat were always coming up with "new strategies" and they kept loosing their money and again and again, thats what i meant by dumb players

Whether you quit or not only matters to individual players. It doesn't affect the site's percentage profit. As far as the math is concerned all players are the same. One player playing for 10 hours is the same as 10 players playing for an hour each - you still expect them to lose 0.1% of everything they wager if the house edge is 0.1%.

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May 11, 2015, 07:53:34 AM
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Yep i dont think its a scam either, i used to play there and it just seems that most of the people who play there are pretty dumb wich would explain why their profit is so high with such low house edge

Dice isn't a game of skill. Being "dumb" doesn't change the house edge. However you play the edge is the same, unless the site is cheating.

Haha... Thats so true. I know a guy who was trying to lose so hard. Betting "dumb" and he just couldn't lose and eventually went up A LOT.
So yeah , doesn't matter if u are dumb or smart , all that matters is house edge and ur luck Smiley .

But what does matter is if you quit or you still play there and when i was playing there the users in chat were always coming up with "new strategies" and they kept loosing their money and again and again, thats what i meant by dumb players

Whether you quit or not only matters to individual players. It doesn't affect the site's percentage profit. As far as the math is concerned all players are the same. One player playing for 10 hours is the same as 10 players playing for an hour each - you still expect them to lose 0.1% of everything they wager if the house edge is 0.1%.

But its not the same if someone goes there and loses 0.10 btc only to return with another 0.10 and lose again and after that again, doing it all the time, they just keep loosing more and more, if the player only came the first time and lost 0.10 and then quit then the site profit would only have gotten  up by 0.10

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May 19, 2015, 02:26:17 PM
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Forgive me for not reading through the entire thread and I might have missed a discussion regarding this.  About that issue where clicking the button that reveals the hash and them possibly doing "whatever the fuck they want" with the hash before you click the button.  The hash generated and viewed after you click the button should automatically pertain to all previous rolls as long as you haven't changed the hash, should it not?  A verifier would prove the roll numbers match up.  I don't see where OP's logic is in that argument, unless he just isn't aware of how it actually works.  Full disclosure: I've never played at 99dice.
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May 20, 2015, 07:52:58 AM
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Forgive me for not reading through the entire thread and I might have missed a discussion regarding this.  About that issue where clicking the button that reveals the hash and them possibly doing "whatever the fuck they want" with the hash before you click the button.  The hash generated and viewed after you click the button should automatically pertain to all previous rolls as long as you haven't changed the hash, should it not?  A verifier would prove the roll numbers match up.  I don't see where OP's logic is in that argument, unless he just isn't aware of how it actually works.  Full disclosure: I've never played at 99dice.


Of course the hash when you click the button is going to pertain to all previous rolls but if you dont click the button you dont see the hash, when you click it then the site can chose a hash that pertains to all previous rolls and you would think they are legit

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May 29, 2015, 05:34:55 AM
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Of course the hash when you click the button is going to pertain to all previous rolls but if you dont click the button you dont see the hash, when you click it then the site can chose a hash that pertains to all previous rolls and you would think they are legit

I doubt any dice site has that kind of computational power no matter how much they've earned. It would be like trying to use vanitygen to get 1UNPOSS1BLEADDRESS1234567890 and expecting it to happen instantly.
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May 29, 2015, 06:14:09 AM
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Of course the hash when you click the button is going to pertain to all previous rolls but if you dont click the button you dont see the hash, when you click it then the site can chose a hash that pertains to all previous rolls and you would think they are legit

I doubt any dice site has that kind of computational power no matter how much they've earned. It would be like trying to use vanitygen to get 1UNPOSS1BLEADDRESS1234567890 and expecting it to happen instantly.

No uppercase 'o'.

Yes, really Smiley  No lowercase 'L', no uppercase 'o', no uppercase 'i' and no '0' (number zero).

If you used -i (case insensitive) it would have looked for 1koeLen (and 1KoeLen and 1KOeLen and 1KOELen, etc. etc.) - but the number it should have returned should have been very low then (as there's many more possible hits).  If you used it with the -r (regex), then I think it accepts all those forbidden characters, but it wouldn't give an estimate of when it would be found (if I recall that correct).

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May 31, 2015, 04:22:43 AM
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site scam 999dice....FUCK

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June 20, 2015, 01:48:21 PM
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Now site is downline, i think are big scam!, i los 1 btc here!
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June 20, 2015, 01:52:07 PM
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Now site is downline, i think are big scam!, i los 1 btc here!

How do you know site is down? Why do you keep playing there if you think they are a scam? Ive seen plenty of people calling them a scam but still playing there, you gotta be really stupid to do that.



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June 20, 2015, 06:39:49 PM
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I just stop to trust all casino that operated via bitcoin
I lost more than 12 btc in one year
The problem is that I never had the opportunity to cash out at last 0.01 btc
So I will stop using btc casino
But back to betfair.

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June 20, 2015, 07:28:36 PM
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I just stop to trust all casino that operated via bitcoin
I lost more than 12 btc in one year
The problem is that I never had the opportunity to cash out at last 0.01 btc
So I will stop using btc casino
But back to betfair.

The fact that you lost doesn't say anything about trust of the particular casino. All of them have house edge, meaning that you're more likely to lose over time.

Do you think it would be different if you've used fiat casinos? I doubt that.

But yes, if you keep losing and the amount you've lost is significant to you, then, by all means, you should stop gambling all together.


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June 20, 2015, 09:34:18 PM
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Now site is downline, i think are big scam!, i los 1 btc here!

How do you know site is down? Why do you keep playing there if you think they are a scam? Ive seen plenty of people calling them a scam but still playing there, you gotta be really stupid to do that.

The site IS down! When loading the site this message appears: "I apologize for the unexpected downtime.

We expect to be back online within 12 hours.

All deposits & coins are safe. Nothing is lost."

So if the site truly is scamming, I don't think they will be back at all.
Hopefully they keep their promise..
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Now site is downline, i think are big scam!, i los 1 btc here!

How do you know site is down? Why do you keep playing there if you think they are a scam? Ive seen plenty of people calling them a scam but still playing there, you gotta be really stupid to do that.

The site IS down! When loading the site this message appears: "I apologize for the unexpected downtime.

We expect to be back online within 12 hours.

All deposits & coins are safe. Nothing is lost."

So if the site truly is scamming, I don't think they will be back at all.
Hopefully they keep their promise..

Why do you keep playing there? They wont run away with the money, theres no point they can just keep scamming in game and win even more, is not like there is more than a few hundred btc at most in deposits since everyone else would have lost their btc already

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July 07, 2015, 09:37:01 PM
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Of course the hash when you click the button is going to pertain to all previous rolls but if you dont click the button you dont see the hash, when you click it then the site can chose a hash that pertains to all previous rolls and you would think they are legit

I doubt any dice site has that kind of computational power no matter how much they've earned. It would be like trying to use vanitygen to get 1UNPOSS1BLEADDRESS1234567890 and expecting it to happen instantly.

Just came here after reading a post in the gambling forum that linked to this - I havent posted in here in a while.

Just wanted to reply to the past few posts.

999dice does not use a system where their hash applies to "all previous rolls". They re-make the server hash for EVERY roll, so it's completely irrelevant.

If you didn't click - they do whatever they want. If you do click, they are forced to play nice. Their old system used to force a click for every roll. They changed it, claiming they aren't hiding anything - now you don't need to click it, but the client seed is provided by the server, not your browser, and they forcibly change it EVERY roll. Set your seed, make a fair roll, then they change it. To something THEY picked for you. Thus, knowing exactly what your roll will be, before you place your bet, unless you change the seed EVERY time.

Now, if you're fixing your broken ass cheating site to respond to claims you're a bullshit scam, while doing that, WHY would you change something UNRELATED - the client seed - and change it from 'we dont care what it is' to 'we set it with a server generated number and change it every time you roll'.

Why? Why do that?

Because they are stealing your bitcoin. How the living hell does a site with a .1% edge make 3400+ bitcoin in under 2 years? Thats a consistent 4,650 bitcoin bet EVERY DAY for 2 years to reach 3400.

Riiiight.

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 I just wanted to add that although I have no proof, I am almost certain this site is a scam. I lost several bitcoin here doing 95% bets, and my friend did the math witch came out to a 1 in 2 million chance. And that was just 1 session, I lost bitcoin before that here with what seemed like, "crazy bad luck" on a few other occasions as well. That provably fair crap is what tricks you, and most of us don't even know what all those numbers mean or how to actually put it all together to see if you are getting a fair bet. IMO the you only get a fair bet if you click the button every time is spot on. This site needs to be outed as a cheat so they can stop stealing coins from the community. I went and checked today and there are still plenty of people gambling there. Scum bags like this is what gives bitcoin a bad name, and these are parasites to the community. Every scam thread I've looked at never once did a rep from 999dice even come and defend themselves, the fact that you need to click the button every single time tells me in my gut it's a scam. If not then why make it so hard to verify bets?
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I just wanted to add that although I have no proof, I am almost certain this site is a scam. I lost several bitcoin here doing 95% bets, and my friend did the math witch came out to a 1 in 2 million chance. And that was just 1 session, I lost bitcoin before that here with what seemed like, "crazy bad luck" on a few other occasions as well. That provably fair crap is what tricks you, and most of us don't even know what all those numbers mean or how to actually put it all together to see if you are getting a fair bet. IMO the you only get a fair bet if you click the button every time is spot on. This site needs to be outed as a cheat so they can stop stealing coins from the community. I went and checked today and there are still plenty of people gambling there. Scum bags like this is what gives bitcoin a bad name, and these are parasites to the community. Every scam thread I've looked at never once did a rep from 999dice even come and defend themselves, the fact that you need to click the button every single time tells me in my gut it's a scam. If not then why make it so hard to verify bets?

Dont fall for the, i lost a crazy bet that i should have won because that doesnt prove anything, on just dice people had 32 loss streaks which is something like 1 in a billion, that doesnt mean the site is a scam

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August 10, 2015, 07:44:05 AM
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The thread is too long to read, so does whatever OP says still hold true? or was it disproved (that seems unlikely)?

Nothing seems to have changed and it still requires a click to see the hash, and everything is vague.
I anyway, tried it with a small deposit and lost it, tho that doesn't mean anything..

IMO, 999dice is highly suspicious, and doesn't seem to be provably fair.
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The thread is too long to read, so does whatever OP says still hold true? or was it disproved (that seems unlikely)?

Nothing seems to have changed and it still requires a click to see the hash, and everything is vague.
I anyway, tried it with a small deposit and lost it, tho that doesn't mean anything..

IMO, 999dice is highly suspicious, and doesn't seem to be provably fair.

Well all his accusations have strong evidence behind them, unfortunately its impossible to prove if they are indeed cheating, more or less like dadice case where they didnt want to show the cold wallet and now people is calling them scammers.

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August 11, 2015, 07:38:51 AM
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The thread is too long to read, so does whatever OP says still hold true? or was it disproved (that seems unlikely)?

Nothing seems to have changed and it still requires a click to see the hash, and everything is vague.
I anyway, tried it with a small deposit and lost it, tho that doesn't mean anything..

IMO, 999dice is highly suspicious, and doesn't seem to be provably fair.

Well all his accusations have strong evidence behind them, unfortunately its impossible to prove if they are indeed cheating, more or less like dadice case where they didnt want to show the cold wallet and now people is calling them scammers.

If so, then 999dice is not provably fair.
Provably fair requires guarantee that the fairness is provable. Not provable (even in a single scenario) = Not provably fair.

Whenever I tried 999dice before or after this, I had always ended up losing my funds. Though it doesn't actually mean anything, I am not going to deposit there whatever happens.
I usually don't end up losing the entire deposit like that unless I am chasing something. https://www.moneypot.com/users/ndnhc

Da Dice is provably fair. No one has complained about not honoring withdrawals or anything. All that is there is (in the words of the those who suspect so Wink), there is no assurance that Da Dice has the funds they claim. It is approx. 500 to 600BTC before kelly.
I am personally positive that they have the funds. The campaign budget (proposed to me while making decisions) was big enough that such amount is only expected. Claiming it a scam for not providing the signed message is absurd though some like QS do, and is not right and is only a speculation on the part.
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