Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network

[MrWhiteBites]

This development project looks very interesting, count me in!

I love long time holds, they have always proven to be the best results, take my Signature Coin for example, IOC  (took 2 years to see amazing returns) .  I see this project having great success in the long term between 1 to 2 years.

So anyone thinking of investing,  bare this in mind, be prepared to wait 1 to 2 years before you see fruit for your investment.

Keep up the great work Ohad, there is a special feeling about this.

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[ohad]

regarding the concensus algorithm, we'll decide collaboratively over tau. it'll begin with some mechanism (which doesn't really matter) and evolve into what we make it

Is there a fast way to replace standard PoW consensus mechanism? (as one scenario of many others) Miners could threaten to attack the system if the community will dare to start a discussion about replacing the consensus mechanism

if the concensus algorithm is able to change itself then it's inevitably not-exactly-pow, and to determine to which extent it's mutable and still keep the basic network premises, is to be done collaboratively. there is no one answer and the answers should be taken in broad concensus regarding proven truths over tau.

[MrWhiteBites]

Cryptico, [04.09.16 16:59]
Exactly wasnt agora a market for that also?

icocountdown, [04.09.16 16:59]
yes

icocountdown, [04.09.16 16:59]
but thats not the whole concept

icocountdown, [04.09.16 16:59]
tau is more about smart contract programming with decidability

icocountdown, [04.09.16 16:59]
and semantic web

icocountdown, [04.09.16 16:59]
basically artificial intelligence

Cryptico, [04.09.16 16:59]
Skynet

Cryptico, [04.09.16 16:59]
But I'm talking about agora not tau

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:00]
well it will be connected

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:00]
agoras is finance on tau

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:00]
and intelligent finance

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:00]
for example it might try to keep itself alive by setting up distributed nodes

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:00]
if it gets that intelligent

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:00]
ohad warned me a while ago when we start genesis its important to get the rules right

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:00]
so it doesnt turn into skynet

Cryptico, [04.09.16 17:01]
Ok so it is quite accurate that it can be skynet

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:01]
yes it CAN be skynet

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:01]
it learns for itself

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:01]
you can ask it questions and stuff

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:01]
and it will act

Cryptico, [04.09.16 17:01]
But this is tau not agora per say correct?

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:01]
and it will learn value of knowledge

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:02]
tauchain is not agoras

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:02]
but they are connected

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:02]
finance is connected

Cryptico, [04.09.16 17:02]
Yes

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:02]
for example

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:02]
in order to keep its servers running

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:02]
it needs financial instrument

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:02]
so it could potentially pay servers and deploy its own blockchain

Cryptico, [04.09.16 17:02]
You are talking about agrs

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:03]
yes

Cryptico, [04.09.16 17:03]
Ok

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:03]
so it needs agoras

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:03]
even it can trade on markets if it wants

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:03]
it can do any sort of analyis

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:03]
thats the vision anyway

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:03]
for example

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:03]
if you owned all the knowledge in the world

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:03]
what would you do with it?

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:03]
its there for you to get

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:04]
but u cannot process it all

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:04]
and then lets say

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:04]
tau processes it all

Cryptico, [04.09.16 17:05]
That's scary as (bad language)

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:05]
yeah thats why we need smart people on the genesis

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:05]
because this is not a joke bro

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:05]
this is a (bad language) very big thing

Cryptico, [04.09.16 17:06]
Yes but what if the Genesis rule than are decided to change between users

Cryptico, [04.09.16 17:06]
After genesis

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:06]
no there is very fundamental rules

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:06]
that cannot be changed

Cryptico, [04.09.16 17:06]
Ok

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:06]
so we need to give its mind correct

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:06]
at genesis

Cryptico, [04.09.16 17:06]
Ok but this is a very difficult task

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:06]
so you are basically buying right now a vote in how this thing is gonna act

Cryptico, [04.09.16 17:07]
How can you be sure you are setting the very good ones when there are millions of combination possible

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:07]
you basically need to make sure that its not agnostic

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:07]
and it has some rational mind

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:07]
like it cant do weird stuff

Cryptico, [04.09.16 17:07]
You need to be sure it has morality

Cryptico, [04.09.16 17:07]
And ethics

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:08]
yes excatly

Cryptico, [04.09.16 17:08]
How do we do that?

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:08]
you need to set rules for that

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:08]
like it can and cannot do certain things

Cryptico, [04.09.16 17:08]
But there are too many specifics on which an action can fall into a Grey area

Cryptico, [04.09.16 17:08]
In theory

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:09]
thats why we need people to be a part of the project

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:09]
because if it gets released on genesis we dont know what we are releasing

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:09]
we need very specific rule sets of what its gonna do

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:09]
so we need smart people

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:09]
to basically try and work it out

Cryptico, [04.09.16 17:09]
Ok i believe once you have the coding it might potentially take another year to set the rules

Cryptico, [04.09.16 17:10]
But since it is open source what if a sick mind take the code and set his owns rules before genesis

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:10]
that is a problem

Cryptico, [04.09.16 17:10]
You are not going to release the public code for Genesis until we set the rules I suppose

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:10]
but you must support ohad because he has good intentions

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:10]
that is one of the rules

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:11]
the good artifical intelligence

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:11]
will fight the bad artificial intelligence

Babu SK, [04.09.16 17:11]
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icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:11]
that will probably be a possibility

Cryptico, [04.09.16 17:11]
Yes but we need to make sure that none launch Genesis with its own set of rules before ohad does

icocountdown, [04.09.16 17:11]
thats why you must support ohads work

Cryptico, [04.09.16 17:11]
Oh my God this is (bad language) terminator in real life lol

Here is a conversation I had with a Tau community member as to why we need to support Ohad and more people to be involved at genesis for setting rules.

To learn more view the condensed summary by Ohad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKhzo_60f6Y

Very good read! 

[alexcfr]

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[LiskEnterprise]

Hello if you are willing to list on C-cex.com here is there bitcoin post to allow you to contact them to get the Agoras token on their exchange.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=418700.0

[MrWhiteBites]

Hello if you are willing to list on C-cex.com here is there bitcoin post to allow you to contact them to get the Agoras token on their exchange.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=418700.0

C-cex is a really low status / crap coin exchange, there is really no need to be added there.  It will not in any way help the project, if anything tarnish

Bittrex is absolutely fine right now, then once developments are released, Poloniex should be the next target, no where else.

Then once on polo you can think about the top chinese exchange.  So speaking from a vast experience, forget these other exchanges.  

[LiskEnterprise]

I use C-Cex.com and never had any problems and it lists many tokens and is easy to use.

Fine if you want to trade somewhere else but there is nearly no volume on the other exchange.

I think a few more exchanges would be good for the token and the publicity. No need to hide or hoard a good thing.

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TO GET LISTED:

https://c-cex.com/?id=vote#suggest

Simply fill out the form
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Hello! We have 2 options: 1 - You can add the coin on the voting page - https://c-cex.com/?id=vote . We will surely consider adding it if it gets enough votes and the community shows enough interest. 2 - We can list a coin or asset for 3 BTC immediately. Have a good day! Let us know if there is anything else we can help you with. Thanks!

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So we can begin to buy and sell here. I have a lot of coins here i would sell to move to Argoras.
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[ICOcountdown.com]

I use C-Cex.com and never had any problems and it lists many tokens and is easy to use.

Fine if you want to trade somewhere else but there is nearly no volume on the other exchange.

I think a few more exchanges would be good for the token and the publicity. No need to hide or hoard a good thing.

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TO GET LISTED:

https://c-cex.com/?id=vote#suggest

Simply fill out the form
-----------------------------------

Hello! We have 2 options: 1 - You can add the coin on the voting page - https://c-cex.com/?id=vote . We will surely consider adding it if it gets enough votes and the community shows enough interest. 2 - We can list a coin or asset for 3 BTC immediately. Have a good day! Let us know if there is anything else we can help you with. Thanks!

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So we can begin to buy and sell here. I have a lot of coins here i would sell to move to Argoras.
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Targeted effort should be Poloniex, but more exchanges means more liquidity:

https://poloniex.com/coinRequest

You can do it people

[Sam123]

I use C-Cex.com and never had any problems and it lists many tokens and is easy to use.

Fine if you want to trade somewhere else but there is nearly no volume on the other exchange.

I think a few more exchanges would be good for the token and the publicity. No need to hide or hoard a good thing.

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TO GET LISTED:

https://c-cex.com/?id=vote#suggest

Simply fill out the form
-----------------------------------

Hello! We have 2 options: 1 - You can add the coin on the voting page - https://c-cex.com/?id=vote . We will surely consider adding it if it gets enough votes and the community shows enough interest. 2 - We can list a coin or asset for 3 BTC immediately. Have a good day! Let us know if there is anything else we can help you with. Thanks!

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So we can begin to buy and sell here. I have a lot of coins here i would sell to move to Argoras.
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Targeted effort should be Poloniex, but more exchanges means more liquidity:

https://poloniex.com/coinRequest

You can do it people

I agree with Alex

[LiskEnterprise]

How will Poloniex accept it without a block explorer?

So the only place we are listed is with a recently hacked exchange - bittrex.com?

At this stage this is not a coin or a platform it is a token.

Lest get reasonable

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https://c-cex.com/?id=vote#suggest

Simply fill out the form
-----------------------------------

Hello! We have 2 options: 1 - You can add the coin on the voting page - https://c-cex.com/?id=vote . We will surely consider adding it if it gets enough votes and the community shows enough interest. 2 - We can list a coin or asset for 3 BTC immediately. Have a good day! Let us know if there is anything else we can help you with. Thanks!

[LiskEnterprise]

Targeted effort should be Poloniex, but more exchanges means more liquidity:

https://poloniex.com/coinRequest

You can do it people..

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If this can be done lets do it.

Best in a combined team effort.

Lets release a time and day and twitter, FB, email etc everyone involved with TauChain.

With the answers all clear as to how to submit.

https://poloniex.com/coinRequest

Name of token, Token symbol, Forum thread address, Blockchain info, website url, innovations over other coins,

If we a couple of hundred do it over a few day span we will get attention and not lost in the noise.

[MrWhiteBites]

Targeted effort should be Poloniex, but more exchanges means more liquidity:

https://poloniex.com/coinRequest

You can do it people..

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If this can be done lets do it.

Best in a combined team effort.

Lets release a time and day and twitter, FB, email etc everyone involved with TauChain.

With the answers all clear as to how to submit.

https://poloniex.com/coinRequest

Name of token, Token symbol, Forum thread address, Blockchain info, website url, innovations over other coins,

If we a couple of hundred do it over a few day span we will get attention and not lost in the noise.

Poloniex will ask what special features this coin has EG: what makes it special/different.  This is the most highly technical coin i have ever seen, i really would not know how to answer this.

Would be great if there was a web designer here also, could really do with a nice looking website.

[Rando]

...(Even though I am (apparently) no longer "on" the Tau project.)...

What is the status with him?

[ohad]

...(Even though I am (apparently) no longer "on" the Tau project.)...

What is the status with him?

his status is up to him. he's welcome to collaborate on tau as much as he wants, and was always so.

[googie4]

Targeted effort should be Poloniex, but more exchanges means more liquidity:

https://poloniex.com/coinRequest

You can do it people..

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If this can be done lets do it.

Best in a combined team effort.

Lets release a time and day and twitter, FB, email etc everyone involved with TauChain.

With the answers all clear as to how to submit.

https://poloniex.com/coinRequest

Name of token, Token symbol, Forum thread address, Blockchain info, website url, innovations over other coins,

If we a couple of hundred do it over a few day span we will get attention and not lost in the noise.

Poloniex will ask what special features this coin has EG: what makes it special/different.  This is the most highly technical coin i have ever seen, i really would not know how to answer this.

Would be great if there was a web designer here also, could really do with a nice looking website.

Personally I like the way the site looks. It's straight and too the point about the technology and Ohad's thoughts, without all the bells and whistles and animation. It just has a feel of like Ohad legitimately working and believing, vs lets say a scam coin paying someone for a flashy website.

[infovortice2013]

the team is very busy working on proyect. and well financiated, dont see the reason to add the coin to other exchanges at this moment and waste his precious time helping to install wallet and explain to use it etc... BItrex is working fine at this time.

[dx5]

Will Tau Chain be like the Wolfram language?

[LiskEnterprise]

Will Tau Chain be like the Wolfram language?

Also is there any clear write up on how this project is different from MaidSafe and Synereo?

They seem to be very active with a lot of Devs.

[dx5]

Will Tau Chain be like the Wolfram language?

Also is there any clear write up on how this project is different from MaidSafe and Synereo?

They seem to be very active with a lot of Devs.

It's completely different than those. It's more like a super computer, and the storage is not to store videos and pictures, but rather rules.

[MrWhiteBites]

the team is very busy working on proyect. and well financiated, dont see the reason to add the coin to other exchanges at this moment and waste his precious time helping to install wallet and explain to use it etc... BItrex is working fine at this time.

Fully Agree!   Looking at Bittrex, i see the price has been bought up to 27K   as more and more people learn about the "futuristic"  (i think is an appropriate word) developments happening, the more the coin will grow, which is great for investors and developers, its always nice to see your hard work and dedication get the recognition it deserves in reflection of the price.

Looking forward to the Tau-Chain release, which i believe will be the next and biggest release?


Also. NOTE: To anyone wanting to ask questions about Comparing this project against others.

There is a really simple answer to this.  Simply, You cant.  
So please dont ask, there are a couple of videos, pod casts with Ohad talking about the whole project, i will try and find link, its amazing to listen to and will make you understand more, although it is highly technical and advanced whats happening here, i am not ashamed to hold my hands up by saying i only understood about 30% of what was said.