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Last edit: May 28, 2017, 09:33:04 AM by cryptohunter
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all great ideas... however a funding and voting mechanism would be great.
a cbx exchange where fees were used to buy back and burn cbx (after running costs of course) is a great plan indeed.
this way we can create a savings and accumulation incentive and give good POS rewards.
I would scrap posp myself.
It is a great achievement for sure. However cheaper and less dev to just use pos3 latest black build. PosP does not offer enough major improvement over just building up of pos3 which most devs are working with now.

you guys have a lot of trust here since you stuck around and have always tried with this coin.
I think your exchange would do well.

The exchange would have to list the new coins or it would never take off. Lots of new coins would jump at an exchange run by cbx owners.
Trust is majorly important

Thank you for the feedback, as usual you bring excellent suggestions to the table. Can you elaborate on the funding and voting mechanism suggestion?

Also, I understand what you are saying regarding swapping out PoSP for something more universally used, however,  I do not think that benefit outweighs the loss of our unique innovation and portion of our differentiation.


Re the voting and funding mechanisms like other coins have. Some have 10% standard block tax others have 10% that can be generated due to a vote like pivx has.

But you have to think like investors. Investors don't care pos3 or posp if there is no provable huge advantage. POS3 is the new standard code base all pos devs are working. Anyway to save money and use it for other improvements is key.

I have asked on this site many times many different people to breakdown the differences between pos3 and posp and do a chart to show the pros of each. Nobody has. You have to realise rat4 is one of the best pos devs on here and he is constantly updating pos3. That is free updates cbx would be getting. I think his latest feature he added at the request of david zimbeck allows other functionality too that is quite important. I don't recall exactly what it was but i think it allows cold staking.

The biggest thing you are on to is starting and exchange. You have trust going for you so so long as you have the tech skill to run an exchange then that is going to be the biggest boost for cbx. There are off the shelf exchanges like poswallet uses.

If all listing fees and trading fees after expenses went into buying cbx off the market and burning them then you could really device an awesome accumulation and holding scheme with great rewards without inflation.

Of course time time is the most important factor here. I would have nulled the cryptsy wallet and used the 125k coins to entice a good dev team for like over 10% of the coin as the poll here indicated the community wanted done but since that didnt happen we will have to get a funding mechanism in place else no developers are going to help out.


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June 06, 2017, 07:57:26 PM
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Hello all,
Just wanted to shoot out a quick update. We are still ironing out the details but should have a new road-map published soon. Stay tuned! I hope you all will be as excited as us when you see it Cheesy

BTW - if there are any out there with beneficial skill sets that would like to get involved, please PM me.


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484 cbx 24hr volume = 125.84 usd

 

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June 07, 2017, 10:31:40 AM
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484 cbx 24hr volume = 125.84 usd

 

The only way is UP!

lol, i like your enthusiasm!

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June 07, 2017, 06:17:24 PM
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Let's talk about masternodes!

I think there is something good with masternodes, more than a fad we should blindly follow.  There are many advantages to adding BPN (Bullion Participation Nodes) to CBX - an even more reliable network, adding anonymity to the network, removing many coins from trading, thus making CBX even more scarce and facilitating the creation of a reliable mobile CBX app.

I have posted a new poll, outlining how we see the possible implementations of masternodes to CBX; please select one, and perhaps voice your constructive opinion on this thread.

Essentially, CBX holders continue to gain PoSP rewards, but we open 500 000 possible CBX to masternodes, at 1000 CBX each. With option 2 as an example, we split 20 000 CBX yearly rewards between all registered BPN runners - this means that if 50 people lock in their 1000 CBX each or 50 000 CBX then the 20 000 CBX reward gets divided among those 50 - or 400 CBX each yearly for a nice 40% yield!

Large CBX holders will have the possibilitly of locking in more than one 1000 CBX sum, in 1000 CBX increments those will count as more nodes to the same owner.

All this would work in typical PoSP fashion, online BPN or non BPN get all rewards for given block, essentially adding the Participation twist to traditional masternodes.

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Let's talk about masternodes!

I think there is something good with masternodes, more than a fad we should blindly follow.  There are many advantages to adding BPN (Bullion Participation Nodes) to CBX - an even more reliable network, adding anonymity to the network, removing many coins from trading, thus making CBX even more scarce and facilitating the creation of a reliable mobile CBX app.

I have posted a new poll, outlining how we see the possible implementations of masternodes to CBX; please select one, and perhaps voice your constructive opinion on this thread.

Essentially, CBX holders continue to gain PoSP rewards, but we open 500 000 possible CBX to masternodes, at 10 000 CBX each. With option 2 as an example, we split 20 000 CBX yearly rewards between all registered BPN runners - this means that if 5 people lock in their 10 000 CBX each or 50 000 CBX then the 20 000 CBX reward gets divided among those 5 - or 4000 CBX each for a nice 40% yield!

Large CBX holders will have the possibilitly of locking in more than one 10 000 CBX sum, in 10 000 CBX increments those will count as more nodes to the same owner.

All this would work in typical PoSP fashion, online BPN or non BPN get all rewards for given block, essentially adding the Participation twist to traditional masternodes.



Thanks VS, great stuff! I personally like option 1 but this is about the community/investors and future investors. Looking forward to putting together the white paper and working with Alex on implementation of whatever is decided. I think this will be a major attractor for CBX along with the rest of our soon to be published roadmap. Let's see how the vote plays out 🙂

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Thanks VS, great stuff! I personally like option 1 (snip)


I like better option 2. 2.75% inflation is still low by today's altcoin standards, and people have to be rewarded well enough, if we want them to actually lock in some CBX to help the CBX network as masternode. Having the current low 1.5% - 2% yearly inflation has not helped CBX gain traction so far, because reward is so low.
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June 08, 2017, 10:06:08 AM
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Looks good I voted for option 2.

If we in the future created and exchange that used the fees (after expenses) to buy back cbx and burn them we could give even greater rewards to masternodes.

More important is the funding mechanism. You want constant devs funds accumulating for dev bounties and such so many devs are able to contribute when and if.

20k cbx could be a bit high for masternodes more 10k is realistic

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Hey all

Master nodes may work for CBX, however I would first focus on fixing the current blockchain so it downloads / synchronises in a reasonable amount of time / at all - the bootstrap file is a nice work around but it makes everything look somewhat broken / un-managed if you have to do anything but install it and leave it to sync.

Connectivity is an issue for sure; master nodes will help here but the amount of CPU churn the wallet imparts on the hosting machine is crazy high - especially as the CBX network is currently processing a tiny fraction of the total number of transactions that it may one day be processed if CBX's profile raises considerably.

I would highly recommend:

Snapshot the current chain, hard fork, re-start the block index from zero, adapt the code base of one of the other POS coins in existence that synchronise correctly end to end (headers first certainly improved the bitcoin blockchain download) and re-implement PoSV2 on top. You will consolidate the source, gain all of the various security fixes and start fresh from a known good state.

After all that we will have a fast, efficient syncing coin - supported by master nodes that anyone can download and synchronise without additional support Smiley

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Good news


I voted 2,
The reward of 4% is reasonable, the cryptos are in Boiling.

On the other hand I do not see why users who are not interested in masternodes would be penalized from 2% to 1.5%.
I will leave 4% masternodes 2% non masternode.

How it happens to host a masternode?
-Personal server
-Server rental (what price)

The team could win a% of the masternodes, for the futures developments. If everything is transparent this should not be a problem.

I agree with FiniteRed. The update of the wallet is a obstacle course (problem that's not specific to CBX but to the vast majority of cryptos).
If the team could find a way to make the instalation and update as simple as an android wallet.
We would have a length ahead.
May be in the upcoming roadmap Smiley

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Excellent feedback and discussion guys!

Putting the memory usage issue aside (this does have to be and will be addressed).

I would like to get some feedback on the blockchain bloat issue. Yes we have 4 years of transactions creating a large blockchain, however this is not uncommon and simply a result of he way blockchain tech operates. We have done some things to remedy this issue, first being the bootstrap file which users can place into their roaming folder. To take this a step further, Alex created a downloadable troubleshooting tool which will insert the newest version of the bootstrap for the user in a 1 click solution. I am not sure if people have not seen this tool (it was announced here, twitter, facebook and in the OP) or if people are having difficulty with the tool. Please advise, download link is below.


https://mega.nz/#!WBs3HZjT!mAnYaJKjsYFVhdA8-WQ_EsvyBytiPJViHp4rI65-CVo

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Hey all

Master nodes may work for CBX, however I would first focus on fixing the current blockchain so it downloads / synchronises in a reasonable amount of time / at all - the bootstrap file is a nice work around but it makes everything look somewhat broken / un-managed if you have to do anything but install it and leave it to sync.

Connectivity is an issue for sure; master nodes will help here but the amount of CPU churn the wallet imparts on the hosting machine is crazy high - especially as the CBX network is currently processing a tiny fraction of the total number of transactions that it may one day be processed if CBX's profile raises considerably.

I would highly recommend:

Snapshot the current chain, hard fork, re-start the block index from zero, adapt the code base of one of the other POS coins in existence that synchronise correctly end to end (headers first certainly improved the bitcoin blockchain download) and re-implement PoSV2 on top. You will consolidate the source, gain all of the various security fixes and start fresh from a known good state.

After all that we will have a fast, efficient syncing coin - supported by master nodes that anyone can download and synchronise without additional support Smiley

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Memory issue is still a big problem that I am working on.
During these last few months I have been a bit unavailable and I am sorry about that.

Anyway, CBX development will start back soon.
Of course CBX use some CPU and RAM and it gonna be fix with updates of masternode because I plan to change the whole code base of CBX and keep it compatible with old blockchain.

I am personnaly against a re-start to the block zero, that's against the blockchain philosophy

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June 08, 2017, 02:13:16 PM
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In line with what Alex said and keeping our historical record, perhaps we could simplify current workaround further by incorporating the troubleshooting tool directly into the Vault download. So when one downloads the Vault they are presented with the option of importing the existing bootstrap kept updated by CBX devs or they can sync from 0.


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Excellent feedback and discussion guys!

Putting the memory usage issue aside (this does have to be and will be addressed).

I would like to get some feedback on the blockchain bloat issue. Yes we have 4 years of transactions creating a large blockchain, however this is not uncommon and simply a result of he way blockchain tech operates. We have done some things to remedy this issue, first being the bootstrap file which users can place into their roaming folder. To take this a step further, Alex created a downloadable troubleshooting tool which will insert the newest version of the bootstrap for the user in a 1 click solution. I am not sure if people have not seen this tool (it was announced here, twitter, facebook and in the OP) or if people are having difficulty with the tool. Please advise, download link is below.


https://mega.nz/#!WBs3HZjT!mAnYaJKjsYFVhdA8-WQ_EsvyBytiPJViHp4rI65-CVo

Indeed I missed the release of the CBXTool of Alex

Thanks

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... not interested in masternodes would be penalized from 2% to 1.5%. ...


Not penalized, check the actual current yield figures. Currently CBX has never created the stated 2% (plus interest compounding should be 2.2%) - currently CBX network pays 1.8% including interest compounding or about 1.6%.

Lack of excitement because of this too low inflation is a problem, missed opportunity.
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Let's talk about masternodes!

I think there is something good with masternodes, more than a fad we should blindly follow.  There are many advantages to adding BPN (Bullion Participation Nodes) to CBX - an even more reliable network, adding anonymity to the network, removing many coins from trading, thus making CBX even more scarce and facilitating the creation of a reliable mobile CBX app.

I have posted a new poll, outlining how we see the possible implementations of masternodes to CBX; please select one, and perhaps voice your constructive opinion on this thread.

Essentially, CBX holders continue to gain PoSP rewards, but we open 500 000 possible CBX to masternodes, at 1000 CBX each. With option 2 as an example, we split 20 000 CBX yearly rewards between all registered BPN runners - this means that if 50 people lock in their 1000 CBX each or 50 000 CBX then the 20 000 CBX reward gets divided among those 50 - or 400 CBX each yearly for a nice 40% yield!

Large CBX holders will have the possibilitly of locking in more than one 1000 CBX sum, in 1000 CBX increments those will count as more nodes to the same owner.

All this would work in typical PoSP fashion, online BPN or non BPN get all rewards for given block, essentially adding the Participation twist to traditional masternodes.




The master nodes would be a good start for Crypto Bullion.

I already get this good news everywhere ... Smiley

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Thanks VS, great stuff! I personally like option 1 (snip)


I like better option 2. 2.75% inflation is still low by today's altcoin standards, and people have to be rewarded well enough, if we want them to actually lock in some CBX to help the CBX network as masternode. Having the current low 1.5% - 2% yearly inflation has not helped CBX gain traction so far, because reward is so low.

i disagree its not lack of excitement over inflation, most of the dedicated stakers are doing so because they want to support the network not stake crazy amounts to dump every day.  The idea of CBX as a store of value is more important then being produced generate more coins every day.  When the value of CBX goes up so does the value of those returns on staking so it not necessary to try to compensate for it now by increasing the annual amount of coins created.   Also there little value in have stakers that are only interested in a quick return, the focus should be on long term holders and stakers and improving the wallet and network for them. (eg: optimizng the wallet, fixing bugs, updating the base code with newer btc source)  


and if it is just about a psychological effect then you can do this with option 1 and then change the block time target so they evenly spaced out to be at least 2-3 minutes apart or even 4-6 minutes apart instead of the current where we can have multiple blocks within the same minute with any spacing out, and then increase the block reward to stay within 2% inflation.  This would kill 2 birds with one stone, a higher reward per block and the increase in blockchain bloat/size from new blocks could be reduced by at least 50% which is important to keep CBX PoSP decentralized by ensuring anyone can run a node on minimal hardware.

There also the memory issue that still need to be resolved, an issue with they how the wallet is not orphaning blocks when a wallet splits off from the network,this prevents it reconnecting and adopting the longest chain that other nodes are on and leads to downtime as we have to take the wallet offline and resync from our last backup or snapshot.   I've had to do this twice in the last month.

I would also suggest looking at adoption or reworking the Blackcoin code as this is most advanced and most stable PoS coin of all imho.  There is not that much difference between the effects on supply of Blackcoin PoS3.0 vs PoSP except that PoSP uses an interest rate instead of set reward.  

I would suggest looking at a complete rebase to blackcoin code and then make the changes required to continue with the existing CBX blockchain and provide a more stable environment for us CBX stakers. ( I also run BLK node alongside CBX node, and it uses alot less memory and never have issues with needing to resync/getting cut off from network etc)


I voted option 1 as well.

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Thanks VS, great stuff! I personally like option 1 (snip)


I like better option 2. 2.75% inflation is still low by today's altcoin standards, and people have to be rewarded well enough, if we want them to actually lock in some CBX to help the CBX network as masternode. Having the current low 1.5% - 2% yearly inflation has not helped CBX gain traction so far, because reward is so low.

i disagree its not lack of excitement over inflation, most of the dedicated stakers are doing so because they want to support the network not stake crazy amounts to dump every day.  The idea of CBX as a store of value is more important then being produced generate more coins every day.  When the value of CBX goes up so does the value of those returns on staking so it not necessary to try to compensate for it now by increasing the annual amount of coins created.   Also there little value in have stakers that are only interested in a quick return, the focus should be on long term holders and stakers and improving the wallet and network for them. (eg: optimizng the wallet, fixing bugs, updating the base code with newer btc source)  


and if it is just about a psychological effect then you can do this with option 1 and then change the block time target so they evenly spaced out to be at least 2-3 minutes apart or even 4-6 minutes apart instead of the current where we can have multiple blocks within the same minute with any spacing out, and then increase the block reward to stay within 2% inflation.  This would kill 2 birds with one stone, a higher reward per block and the increase in blockchain bloat/size from new blocks could be reduced by at least 50% which is important to keep CBX PoSP decentralized by ensuring anyone can run a node on minimal hardware.

There also the memory issue that still need to be resolved, an issue with they how the wallet is not orphaning blocks when a wallet splits off from the network,this prevents it reconnecting and adopting the longest chain that other nodes are on and leads to downtime as we have to take the wallet offline and resync from our last backup or snapshot.   I've had to do this twice in the last month.

I would also suggest looking at adoption or reworking the Blackcoin code as this is most advanced and most stable PoS coin of all imho.  There is not that much difference between the effects on supply of Blackcoin PoS3.0 vs PoSP except that PoSP uses an interest rate instead of set reward.  

I would suggest looking at a complete rebase to blackcoin code and then make the changes required to continue with the existing CBX blockchain and provide a more stable environment for us CBX stakers. ( I also run BLK node alongside CBX node, and it uses alot less memory and never have issues with needing to resync/getting cut off from network etc)


I voted option 1 as well.

Very much inline with my thoughts digit Smiley

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