What does the Gov't really know about UFOs and ET's?

[RodeoX]

Around 100 billion stars/suns just in our galaxy!! Between 100 and 500 billion galaxy's in the universe closer to 500 billion!! Please open you're mind that we are not alone the proof is in the math if you had a brain cell or two you could figure that out.

Possible earth like habitable planets in the universe 50,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 so i guess the chances are we are all alone 
 

Yeah, but please do calculate how long it would take us to reach them !?
Even if we could travel at speed of light , we probably would die before arriving to another civilisation,
the only chance we can have is to build ships that would have eco-system and where few generations would pass, enabling us to explore much further.

That's the thing. Even if there were thousands or millions of civilizations it may take billions of years to reach the closest one. If our civ is any indication of normality then we may have to time it just right. Finding a point where they have technology but before they have destroyed themselves.

While I find the argument about odds has merit, we really can't say anything about other life in the universe since we have only one example. 

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[u9y42]

Show me the money? That's what I want to see. Never in history has there been a discovery that shows life elsewhere in the universe. Show me non-DNA life, or a piece of the space ship made from an unknown material. Until you have something like that the evidence for UFOs is the same as for unicorns.

While I agree with the main idea you present here, I would just like to point out that UFO means Unidentified Flying Object; not alien space craft, though many jump from the former to the latter for no good reason. As such, there are indeed UFOs - that is, events associated with unidentified objects that remain unexplained to this day - very few such cases exist, but they do exist.

Around 100 billion stars/suns just in our galaxy!! Between 100 and 500 billion galaxy's in the universe closer to 500 billion!! Please open you're mind that we are not alone the proof is in the math if you had a brain cell or two you could figure that out.

Possible earth like habitable planets in the universe 50,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 so i guess the chances are we are all alone  
 

Yeah, but please do calculate how long it would take us to reach them !?
Even if we could travel at speed of light , we probably would die before arriving to another civilisation,
the only chance we can have is to build ships that would have eco-system and where few generations would pass, enabling us to explore much further.

That's the thing. Even if there were thousands or millions of civilizations it may take billions of years to reach the closest one. If our civ is any indication of normality then we may have to time it just right. Finding a point where they have technology but before they have destroyed themselves.

While I find the argument about odds has merit, we really can't say anything about other life in the universe since we have only one example.  

You're right: it is problematic to draw conclusions based on so little information, as is the case for life in the universe - but, in a sense, aren't you doing just that? I mean, you believe the argument he presents has merit, but sort of dismissed it based on an anthropocentric view: not only do we not know what the future holds for humanity, and whether or not it will destroy itself, but also, we don't know if there is good reason for such danger to be common to all advanced species - personally, I think culture has a lot more influence than most attribute to it. Also, just because humans have so far been unable to devise workable ways to move at speeds faster than light, that doesn't mean it's impossible. And finally, there could be life forms whose biology allows them to survive in conditions different to what we have on Earth, effectively increasing the number of worlds that might hold life.

[Wilikon]

http://news.yahoo.com/outgoing-obama-adviser-john-podesta-s-biggest-regret-of-2014--keeping-america-in-the-dark-about-ufos-234149498.html

[Jordan23]

Who do you think created Bitcoin?

[grendel25]

I always think of the X-files, "I want to believe."

I hope in my lifetime we find someway to discover an extraterrestrial species that we could coexist with.  I hope it's that sort of thing and not the thing where they eat us.  lol

[RodeoX]

Show me the money? That's what I want to see. Never in history has there been a discovery that shows life elsewhere in the universe. Show me non-DNA life, or a piece of the space ship made from an unknown material. Until you have something like that the evidence for UFOs is the same as for unicorns.

While I agree with the main idea you present here, I would just like to point out that UFO means Unidentified Flying Object; not alien space craft, though many jump from the former to the latter for no good reason. As such, there are indeed UFOs - that is, events associated with unidentified objects that remain unexplained to this day - very few such cases exist, but they do exist.

Around 100 billion stars/suns just in our galaxy!! Between 100 and 500 billion galaxy's in the universe closer to 500 billion!! Please open you're mind that we are not alone the proof is in the math if you had a brain cell or two you could figure that out.

Possible earth like habitable planets in the universe 50,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 so i guess the chances are we are all alone  
 

Yeah, but please do calculate how long it would take us to reach them !?
Even if we could travel at speed of light , we probably would die before arriving to another civilisation,
the only chance we can have is to build ships that would have eco-system and where few generations would pass, enabling us to explore much further.

That's the thing. Even if there were thousands or millions of civilizations it may take billions of years to reach the closest one. If our civ is any indication of normality then we may have to time it just right. Finding a point where they have technology but before they have destroyed themselves.

While I find the argument about odds has merit, we really can't say anything about other life in the universe since we have only one example.  

You're right: it is problematic to draw conclusions based on so little information, as is the case for life in the universe - but, in a sense, aren't you doing just that? I mean, you believe the argument he presents has merit, but sort of dismissed it based on an anthropocentric view: not only do we not know what the future holds for humanity, and whether or not it will destroy itself, but also, we don't know if there is good reason for such danger to be common to all advanced species - personally, I think culture has a lot more influence than most attribute to it. Also, just because humans have so far been unable to devise workable ways to move at speeds faster than light, that doesn't mean it's impossible. And finally, there could be life forms whose biology allows them to survive in conditions different to what we have on Earth, effectively increasing the number of worlds that might hold life.

All good points. Perhaps our world is an outlier? Maybe most civilizations do not threaten themselves? Maybe most living things require high temperatures and live in stars? The mind boggles.

[Wilikon]

I hate every single extra terrestrial life form living among us right now. Yes, including you, mister E.T. bitcointalk lover... You all think about this for a few minutes, then realize it is better no ETs have ever lived among us.

 

[zezt]

The government may know something, but we the public know things too. After all there is a lot more of us then of them!
We have all heard the stories of UFOS from people we know and we still don't have any proof. Should we have to say any more?

[u9y42]

I hate every single extra terrestrial life form living among us right now. Yes, including you, mister E.T. bitcointalk lover... You all think about this for a few minutes, then realize it is better no ETs have ever lived among us.

 

Considering we know next to nothing about any possible extraterrestrials, including what their intentions towards us might be, I'm not sure anyone could reach an unequivocal conclusion that it is better no aliens live among us. On the other hand, I certainly see the value in being able to develop independently, and being afforded the possibility of making, and learning from, our own mistakes - though, realistically, not everyone is in a position of making such a choice.

At any rate, this reminds me of one of fortune's quotes: "you single-handedly fought your way into this hopeless mess".

[Wilikon]

I hate every single extra terrestrial life form living among us right now. Yes, including you, mister E.T. bitcointalk lover... You all think about this for a few minutes, then realize it is better no ETs have ever lived among us.

 

Considering we know next to nothing about any possible extraterrestrials, including what their intentions towards us might be, I'm not sure anyone could reach an unequivocal conclusion that it is better no aliens live among us. On the other hand, I certainly see the value in being able to develop independently, and being afforded the possibility of making, and learning from, our own mistakes - though, realistically, not everyone is in a position of making such a choice.

At any rate, this reminds me of one of fortune's quotes: "you single-handedly fought your way into this hopeless mess".

I am a huge fan of anything scifi. I'd have loved to have an E.T. as a best friend when I was a kid, having fun in his flying saucer.

The fact is those aliens have no table manners.

Steak is good. I get it. I love meat. Why the heck would you drop your cow bones the way we find them? E.T. dude! Please! Curb your space doggy if you are not the one doing the eating. Millions and millions and millions of frequent flyer space points and you could not even convert some of them into buying this?

[u9y42]

I am a huge fan of anything scifi. I'd have loved to have an E.T. as a best friend when I was a kid, having fun in his flying saucer.

The fact is those aliens have no table manners.

Steak is good. I get it. I love meat. Why the heck would you drop your cow bones the way we find them? E.T. dude! Please! Curb your space doggy if you are not the one doing the eating. Millions and millions and millions of frequent flyer space points and you could not even convert some of them into buying this?

Maybe that's just the ET pulling a dine and dash on us.




Hopefully unrelated to the above, I was just reading an article on NewScientist about a couple of cloud-like blobs that appeared over Mars in 2012. It seems no one knows for sure what they were: they extended well above the surface of the planet, up to 250 km; grew to about 1000 km across; remained there for over 10 days; and there seems to be no clue left on the surface that could perhaps help explain the phenomenon.

Source: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn26983-mystery-cloudlike-blobs-over-mars-baffle-astronomers.html



You can see one of the unidentified objects near the top-right portion of the image - in this case, the planet's southern hemisphere.

And again in the following image:

[btcjoin14]

"UFO enthusiast John Greenewald has spent nearly two decades filing Freedom of Information Act requests for the government's files on UFOs and other phenomena. On Jan. 12, Greenewald posted the Blue Book files — as well as files on Blue Book's 1940s-era predecessors, Project Sign and Project Grudge — on his online database, The Black Vault.
Project Blue Book was based at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio. Between 1947 and 1969, the Air Force recorded 12,618 sightings of strange phenomena -- 701 of which remain "unidentified."
Short summary here: http://www.airforcetimes.com/story/military/tech/2015/01/17/air-force-ufo-files/21812539/
And here is the actual vault: http://projectbluebook.theblackvault.com/

[Hazir]

Don't you think that these intentional leaks - telling general public some misty facts about Project Blue Book, providing scraps of useless informations and facts are leading not to uncover the truth about UFO but to confuse and baffle general public? I've got to say that after all these years we now nothing for sure, there are only more questions.

[bassclef]

We may not be alone, but the universe is so old that Earth's time is but a brief moment. Similar intelligent civilizations have probably existed, but if it was a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, we will never know them. Even if a civilization has survived long enough to master space travel, the chance that our time periods and galactic proximity line up is extremely low.

[username18333]

“The Kepler Mission, NASA Discovery mission #10,” (United States [NASA]) has already observed planets that are similar to earth well before Homo sapiens sapiens or a descendant thereof, organic or inorganic, “master[ed] space travel” (bassclef).

“Kepler [Non-Diametric] Spacecraft and Photometer” (United States [NASA])

[DLCseller]

Aliens are like zombies, they are just fiction and appears in so many movies.
UFO = Unidentified Flying Object
UFOs arent always spaceship.
If aliens are real, then Earth should been raided by them by now.

[crypto97]

I think Aliens exist in our mines now. Thanks to television and movies. It has become a self propagating ideology which will never fade irregardless of and concrete proof.

[username18333]

Aliens are like zombies, they are just fiction and appears in so many movies.
UFO = Unidentified Flying Object
UFOs arent always spaceship.
If aliens are real, then Earth should been raided by them by now.

(Red colorization mine.)

A civilization capable of interstellar travel would have long since desisted in “raid[ing]” (DLCseller), for, had it not, it would have undermined its own development the capability thereby.

[zezt]

You know what they say, " seeing is believing" The rest is up to our imaginations!

[username18333]

:  a theory holding that the self can know nothing but its own modifications and that the self is the only existent thing; also :  extreme egocentrism

It could also be said that everything that is not oneself is imagined thereby.