Public STATEMENT Regarding Bitcoinica account hack at MtGox

[HorseRider]

The bank account information is very value leads to catch the theft.

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[sturle]

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Please shut up, if you don't have anything new to add.  This verbatim quoting without even trimming down to the parts you think are important and  telling us why, is just 100% annoying to everyone trying to follow this thread.  Delete or get ignored.  (I see you have quite a lot of ignores already.)

[aq]

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Please shut up, if you don't have anything new to add.  This verbatim quoting without even trimming down to the parts you think are important and  telling us why, is just 100% annoying to everyone trying to follow this thread.  Delete or get ignored.  (I see you have quite a lot of ignores already.)

Judging from all his posts in this thread one could suspect that Matthew is the mysterious friend of ZT.

[zhoutong]

Doesn't Mike Hearn, a bitcoiner himself, work for Account Security at Google?
Maybe ask him for help with the Gmail access logs, Zhou Tong?

The hacker used Tor for all online communications. I'm looking for alternative ways to locate the person.

I have to say that it's not a good choice for AurumXchange to not include me in the investigation in the first place. I skipped a few classes this afternoon to deal with this mess. However, I have to admit that their intentions are understandable. It's just the fact that 90% of people believing me to be the hacker is driving me mad.

Which classes? Just curious.

This thread started at 4:00PM Victoria Time. I'm curious as to what time those classes started. And I thought you were still in Singapore.

~Bruno~

No it was around 2pm.

[repentance]

It's early morning where Zhou is so I don't expect a response here or on Skype, but I'll contact him to see if he plans on participating in a class action law suit. I'm not sure if it would be Tort or Civil Action against AurumXChange and Mtgox, but I'd say that this thread has no logical reason for existing other than to rile on an angry mob to cause harm to one single individual, and it's pretty obvious that they've broken their own privacy agreements. Tasteless and vile.

You're getting flustered.  Zhou is in my time zone and it's currently 8:35 pm Thursday.

The forum is usually dead at this time of night.

[MagicalTux]

(I see you have quite a lot of ignores already.)

I didn't see the forum had this feature, quite nice actually. Thank you very much, sturle.

[zhoutong]

Let this be a warning to everyone:

If your account is hacked (email or otherwise), MtGox, AurumXChange and BitInstant might start a thread calling you a thief and a hacker publicly and just leave it up to you to find the thread and figure out a defense instead of discussing the issue with you directly or contacting any authorities.

I think Matt is upset because this Bitcoinica story is developing faster than a traditional print magazine can keep up with. I mean, the first one still listed Bitcoinica as a proud partner and one of Bitcoin's Greatest Hits.

EDIT: To be fair, AE did say

Zhou, I know what you are up to. This funds have been frozen as well pending investigation, and will not be released until the investigation is concluded.

in the ticket. https://www.aurumxchange.com/help/ticket.php?track=NLY-9AG-E468&Refresh=24195

That does kind of imply that Zhou is guilty of something.

You forgot that it's a ticket with the hacker, not me. I had no way to possibly read this before the public statement.

[Matthew N. Wright]

It's early morning where Zhou is so I don't expect a response here or on Skype, but I'll contact him to see if he plans on participating in a class action law suit. I'm not sure if it would be Tort or Civil Action against AurumXChange and Mtgox, but I'd say that this thread has no logical reason for existing other than to rile on an angry mob to cause harm to one single individual, and it's pretty obvious that they've broken their own privacy agreements. Tasteless and vile.

You're getting flustered.  Zhou is in my time zone and it's currently 8:35 pm Thursday.

The forum is usually dead at this time of night.

Skype was showing his time as 2am. Now it's showing 8pm. I don't understand why it does that but I remember this happening before.

Now that AurumXChange and MtGox's privacy policies have been publicly posted in this thread and it is quite obvious that MtGox at least is clearly in breach of them (as Mark stated they have not received any requests from government officials and are not aware of any official investigations) for officially confirming private facts about customer accounts, the burden of proof is now on AurumXChange to provide this order from government officials that would warrant the information being leaked, and make sure that the order mentions that this data was to be released publicly.

[aq]

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There are 2 possible outcomes:
1) You are the hacker and can be sued. As you claim to transfer tons of money all the time, you can afford it and will replace the funds.
2) You will get of your lazy ass (sorry but it was your email account and you did not bother checking it despite that it had a (verified?) mtgox account attached) and investigate and eventually identify the hacker (as Mark said, it has to be you or one of your close (bitcoinica) "friends"). The hacker can be sues and (maybe) will replace the funds.
So I would say the future, regarding bitcoinica, looks brighter today than it has been yesterday

[zhoutong]

I have located a suspect, his name is 陈建海(Chen Jianhai). He's NOT my friend and we have never met in person. He was one of my previous business associates because he's very familiar with credit card fraud and he advised me a lot (in terms of fraud prevention, of course) when I built my virtual goods payment processor in late 2010.

He has knowledge of my secret gmail address and I have once re-used the password in his web shop

His English is not very proficient and I'm sure that he's not reading this forum at the moment. I'm giving him a call now to persuade him to admit his wrong-doing and return the funds.

I'll post another thread soon.

[repentance]

The season finale had better be good.  We don't need any more cliff-hangers.

[Blazr]

I have located a suspect, his name is 陈建海(Chen Jianhai). He's NOT my friend and we have never met in person. He was one of my previous business associates because he's very familiar with credit card fraud and he advised me a lot (in terms of fraud prevention, of course) when I built my virtual goods payment processor in late 2010.

He has knowledge of my secret gmail address and I have once re-used the password in his web shop

His English is not very proficient and I'm sure that he's not reading this forum at the moment. I'm giving him a call now to persuade him to admit his wrong-doing and return the funds.

I'll post another thread soon.

I haven't been following this hack, but from what I understand the MT Gox account was hacked because the password was hard-coded into the source code.

Are you saying that this associate, who had access to this email acount since 2010, also happened to be the first person to find the password in the source code, and then tried to frame you by using your anonymous email which you've only shared with a handful of people?

[norulezapply]

On a lighter note, this song now has a whole new meaning:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z9Jwp2x86o

I was waiting for someone to post that..

[ydenys]

I agree with Matthew here. On the other hand all this Bitcoinica-related stupidity is decidedly public and therefore highly contagious. Exchange owners may be forgiven for attempts at pig farming, for they, in a way, must regulate, especially given that none of the interested parties are willing to report this matter to the authorities.

On the topic: I find probability of Zhou being falsely implicated here @ ~99%. (~1% being reserved for a 3rd party influence/hormonal misbalance/luck of chance/intoxication or somesuch aberration - he is a young man after all). It is, sadly, normal that young people like Zhou/Amir being exploited by the real perpetrators from BC, who agree to use customers' deposits for their expenses and then delay legitimate refunds. There is no point to think we/Bitcoin/any form of financial innovation can do something to change that in a world order, rather than bring out even more greed.

[zhoutong]

I have posted another thread about Chen Jianhai: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95795.0

[cnbtcnews]

New evidence shows that zhoutong is the hacker.

After Bitcoinica MtGox account compromised ,zhoutong sell LR in China.

日期:2012-7-12

Ryan(11853074) 20:03:18

6.2出LR，财付通付款

Ryan(11853074) 20:13:06

要多少有多少

Ryan(11853074) 20:13:12

我帮一个朋友出的

Ryan(11853074) 20:14:06

1万美元之内都没什么问题

Ryan(11853074) 20:17:18

LibertyReserve

And  zhoutong's LR account is :
http://cnbtcnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/zhongtongLRaccount.jpg

zhoutong said The hacker registered a Liberty Reserve account U9236056 at Jul 12, 2012 9:42 PM.

So now everyone knows zhoutong is the hacker!!!

[tseale]

It would suprise me greatly if Zhou is responsible for this.

I do not have access to any first-hand evidence that would implicate Zhou.

I work on behalf of the fund that invested in Bitcoinica. I have no position of authority with Bitcoinica LP.

When it was made known to me that some suspected Zhou, my recommendation was to confront him privately for his explanation.

[zhoutong]

It would suprise me greatly if Zhou is responsible for this.

I do not have access to any first-hand evidence that would implicate Zhou.

I work on behalf of the fund that invested in Bitcoinica. I have no position of authority with Bitcoinica LP.

When it was made known to me that some suspected Zhou, my recommendation was to confront him privately for his explanation.

Thanks for posting here. I hope the puzzle can be solved soon and Bitcoinica's customers can get their claimed amount back in full.

[Littleshop]

Or........

Steve Jobs is not really dead, likes bitcoin and has taken up work at Microsoft India.  

[MagicalTux]

When it was made known to me that some suspected Zhou, my recommendation was to confront him privately for his explanation.

Would have been nice to keep me in the loop at that point, then.

Zhou's explanation sounds convincing, but as previously said it is not up to us to judge, and legal action is most likely unavoidable at this point.


Either way, I believe many here would appreciate to know who they can turn themselves to to get things moving forward.