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February 16, 2015, 04:49:30 PM
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I was really wondering why the forums don't use Google Adsense , BuySellAds , or any other Advertising company that pays well , I know that there is Auctions that theymos do to make ads and get paid but I don't think they are enough or we can compare them with Adsense or any other company . I mean come on .. the forum is getting millions of page views each month , so I don't see why theymos wouldn't use those .

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I was really wondering why the forums don't use Google Adsense , BuySellAds , or any other Advertising company that pays well , I know that there is Auctions that theymos do to make ads and get paid but I don't think they are enough or we can compare them with Adsense or any other company . I mean come on .. the forum is getting millions of page views each month , so I don't see why theymos wouldn't use those .

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I think because 1) the google ads banners will ruin bitcointalk "design" (does not integrate "well") - - 2) because they are using Js, and theymos doesn't allow js banner here in the forum.
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February 16, 2015, 05:00:16 PM
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3) Upfront payment. When using Google, we can't know how much we can earn. At the current price, forum is getting ~$1,924.02087/~10 days.

4) Exploits are possible. Proof : #1 #2

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February 16, 2015, 05:03:56 PM
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4) not paying in bitcoin
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February 16, 2015, 05:06:43 PM
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3) Upfront payment. When using Google, we can't know how much we can earn. At the current price, forum is getting ~$1,924.02087/~10 days.

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How you can know how much we are getting ?
Anyway , what do you mean we can't know how much we can earn , I was watching Statistics and we are getting about 5-10 million views monthly . that would generate easily 50k $ a month . I know that some people do use Adblock .

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4) not paying in bitcoin

As I said , there is Alternatives that pays with Bitcoin , I was just giving an example about Google adsense which is the most known around here . Even if they was no companies that pays with Bitcoin , they would simply use Banks , Paypal , Western Union then buy Bitcoin.

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February 16, 2015, 05:07:03 PM
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Why Google Adsense don't use Bitcoin?
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February 16, 2015, 05:09:43 PM
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How you can know how much we are getting ?
Anyway , what do you mean we can't know how much we can earn , I was watching Statistics and we are getting about 5-10 million views monthly . that would generate easily 50k $ a month . I know that some people do use Adblock .

Check auctions and you are right!

4) not paying in bitcoin

As I said , there is Alternatives that pays with Bitcoin , I was just giving an example about Google adsense which is the most known around here . Even if they was no companies that pays with Bitcoin , they would simply use Banks , Paypal , Western Union then buy Bitcoin.

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Big tax problems might be there.

Why Google Adsense don't use Bitcoin?

Anonymity maybe.

By the way, Post updated.

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February 16, 2015, 05:18:14 PM
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3) Upfront payment. When using Google, we can't know how much we can earn. At the current price, forum is getting ~$1,924.02087/~10 days.

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How you can know how much we are getting ?
Anyway , what do you mean we can't know how much we can earn , I was watching Statistics and we are getting about 5-10 million views monthly . that would generate easily 50k $ a month . I know that some people do use Adblock .
It is public. For the most recent auction the cheapest slot sold for 4.3 BTC (out of 8 slots total) that will run for 25% of a month (if you count the extra time they are usually up for).

4.3 BTC times 8 = 34.4 BTC per quarter month, times 4 quarters is 137.6 BTC per month in estimated advertising  revenue. That works out to roughly $32k per month.

Additionally a lot of the impressions are of very low quality (from things like spam bots) - it is not faucet quality, but is still bad - and this may be a reason for adsense to withhold payment (even though a very high amount of the impressions are legit).

Also the forum would probably have difficulty serving that many relevant ads via Adsense so it would need to serve ads that are not relevant to bitcoin which will ultimately result in lower pricing per impression/click. With the way the forum sells ads now, it is pretty much a guarantee that all the served ads will be relevant

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February 16, 2015, 07:02:54 PM
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Why Google Adsense don't use Bitcoin?

It's not a reason , at least I don't see it as a good reason to not use Google adsense . Besides as I said there is Alternatives those days and ads network that pays with Bitcoin .

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February 16, 2015, 08:29:35 PM
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In addition to the reasons already mentioned, I've set things up so native forum ads can't be blocked (if the ad is designed correctly). This provides additional value to advertisers which isn't possible with any sort of JS- or image-based ad system.
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February 16, 2015, 09:43:33 PM
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The auction system works well and brings in the same amount of income that Adsense would; just without the risk of being dependent on one company.
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February 17, 2015, 05:41:53 AM
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I see two reasons:

1)No control about what is being adverted(can't refuse advertisements)

2)THe terms of service
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February 17, 2015, 05:57:33 AM
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If theymos use adsense he will earn maximum 10k per month. And his adsense account will be hold and will be subject for manual review. Plus adsense pays net 30.

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February 17, 2015, 06:36:39 AM
Last edit: February 17, 2015, 07:04:33 AM by dogie
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Being an ex Googler, this is something I'd asked Theymos before. This was his PM response, which I don't believe is privileged information or includes intentions he hasn't stated elsewhere:

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I don't want to insert foreign JavaScript into the forum. That seems potentially dangerous. Also, using external ad services gives them some influence over forum policy because they can drop us. (AdSense would probably be especially likely to complain to the forum about various things posted here, I expect.)

Income could be significantly increased in many ways. For example, more ads could be added, or cheaper premium memberships (like VIP) could be sold. But the main goal of the forum is to be a good forum, not to make boatloads of money, and I don't see the need to strive for increased revenue at this time.

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February 17, 2015, 06:43:30 AM
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Being an ex Googler, this is something I'd asked Theymos before. This was his PM response, which I don't believe is privileged information or intentions he hasn't stated elsewhere:

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I don't want to insert foreign JavaScript into the forum. That seems potentially dangerous. Also, using external ad services gives them some influence over forum policy because they can drop us. (AdSense would probably be especially likely to complain to the forum about various things posted here, I expect.)

Income could be significantly increased in many ways. For example, more ads could be added, or cheaper premium memberships (like VIP) could be sold. But the main goal of the forum is to be a good forum, not to make boatloads of money, and I don't see the need to strive for increased revenue at this time.

Oh Alright I see . I didn't knew that Ads could be used for Exploits and gets the forum hacked or something .
Also glad to know that it's not all about the "money" Grin thanks mate

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February 17, 2015, 07:06:06 AM
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Being an ex Googler, this is something I'd asked Theymos before. This was his PM response, which I don't believe is privileged information or intentions he hasn't stated elsewhere:

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I don't want to insert foreign JavaScript into the forum. That seems potentially dangerous. Also, using external ad services gives them some influence over forum policy because they can drop us. (AdSense would probably be especially likely to complain to the forum about various things posted here, I expect.)

Income could be significantly increased in many ways. For example, more ads could be added, or cheaper premium memberships (like VIP) could be sold. But the main goal of the forum is to be a good forum, not to make boatloads of money, and I don't see the need to strive for increased revenue at this time.

Oh Alright I see . I didn't knew that Ads could be used for Exploits and gets the forum hacked or something .
Also glad to know that it's not all about the "money" Grin thanks mate

~ Madness

Anything served with adsense is extremely unlikely to be exploitable, but its his general policy to not have any foreign js as that's how bad things start.

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February 17, 2015, 07:23:01 AM
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If theymos use adsense he will earn maximum 10k per month. And his adsense account will be hold and will be subject for manual review. Plus adsense pays net 30.

Can you tell me how much Bitcoin will be worth next year too?
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February 17, 2015, 06:24:09 PM
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personally i like the site how it is now. on other sites i've gone to sometimes ads open popups to malicious sites. but i really hate when i'm on mobile, and then ads redirect me to the app store, even when i don't click on anything. plus the ads on this forum seem more relevant to the topic (bitcoin) and i'm thinking that there are fewer scam ads here, compared to google adsense.

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February 17, 2015, 06:35:56 PM
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personally i like the site how it is now. on other sites i've gone to sometimes ads open popups to malicious sites. but i really hate when i'm on mobile, and then ads redirect me to the app store, even when i don't click on anything. plus the ads on this forum seem more relevant to the topic (bitcoin) and i'm thinking that there are fewer scam ads here, compared to google adsense.
there could still be malicious sites advertised here I think as theymos doesnt check every single one only if they raise a few red flags but he wont advertise them if he knows they are scams unlike adsense.

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February 17, 2015, 06:38:32 PM
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personally i like the site how it is now. on other sites i've gone to sometimes ads open popups to malicious sites. but i really hate when i'm on mobile, and then ads redirect me to the app store, even when i don't click on anything. plus the ads on this forum seem more relevant to the topic (bitcoin) and i'm thinking that there are fewer scam ads here, compared to google adsense.
there could still be malicious sites advertised here I think as theymos doesnt check every single one only if they raise a few red flags but he wont advertise them if he knows they are scams unlike adsense.

He don't need to check since he wrote that little note under the Advertisement saying that Bitcointalk is not responsable for them :
"Advertised sites are not endorsed by the Bitcoin Forum. They may be unsafe, untrustworthy, or illegal in your jurisdiction. Advertise here."

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