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July 28, 2012, 11:08:25 PM
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People still don't completely understand what cryptocoins are. They were created out of any government control (even against it) but ex-owners of stolen coins expect to get support of a government. But it has no sense!

I wasn't happy to read about recent Bitcoinica hack. Of coz, victims should ask the police for help to return money, but ONLY FIAT MONEY. Noone ought to mention bitcoins, coz every user of cryptocoins should understand that they outside the law. I pay taxes and I don't want them to be spent for salary of a police officer who investigates a case related to cryptocoins.

I don't know English good enough to explain very sophisticated ideas, but I hope u got me.
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July 28, 2012, 11:11:22 PM
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Keep your politics/ideologies out of my bitcoins.

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July 28, 2012, 11:12:37 PM
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Property is property

You steal $1,000 from me I am going to call the Police.
You steal 1 gold bar from me I am going to call the Police.
You steal confidential documents from me I am going to call the Police.
You steal username/password to an online game from me and sell the account I am going to call the Police.
You steal some Bitcoins from me I am going to call the Police.

The idea that the Police only investigate thefts of dollars is just stupid.  

Would you apply your failed logic to any other property on the planet?
"Sorry sir that man stole your CAR.  See cars (and trucks) aren't currency issued by the US government there is nothing we can do.  Why did you call us?  You didn't by any chance have some loose change in the car.  If so then we could open a Police report.  Not for the car but for the coins in the car that were stolen."
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July 28, 2012, 11:16:42 PM
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Agree with DeathAndTaxes . As long as you can prove pre-existing ownership (the police can only find something which is traceable) and have a clue on when and where the theft it happened it doesn't matter if it's baseball cards or bitcoins.

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July 28, 2012, 11:19:18 PM
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May I ask you what are you doing on this forum since November last year?


Now one thought exercise: I pay taxes and I DEMAND that the police investigates if I ever get "cryptocoins" stolen from me. What are you going to do about it?

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July 28, 2012, 11:20:41 PM
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Somebody steals from me, I'm recruiting all the help I can get. I pay my taxes after all!

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2: I use bitcoins.
3: I completely understand what a cryptocurrency is, thanks.
4: (nothing has been stolen from me anyway)
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July 28, 2012, 11:20:52 PM
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July 28, 2012, 11:22:06 PM
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Hey cops! Some guy stole my math equations that are worth on the black market xxx usd

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July 28, 2012, 11:23:42 PM
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People still don't completely understand what cryptocoins are. They were created out of any government control (even against it) but ex-owners of stolen coins expect to get support of a government. But it has no sense!

I wasn't happy to read about recent Bitcoinica hack. Of coz, victims should ask the police for help to return money, but ONLY FIAT MONEY. Noone ought to mention bitcoins, coz every user of cryptocoins should understand that they outside the law. I pay taxes and I don't want them to be spent for salary of a police officer who investigates a case related to cryptocoins.

I don't know English good enough to explain very sophisticated ideas, but I hope u got me.

It is the USD transactions people are talking about.  That's what there's a trail for.  The MtGox codes were converted to Liberty Reserve currency and attempts then made to withdraw those funds as "fiat money".  

Bitcoins are not illegal.  There's no reason not to have Bitcoin thefts investigated.

All I can say is that this is Bitcoin. I don't believe it until I see six confirmations.
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July 28, 2012, 11:24:27 PM
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Hey cops! Some guy stole my math equations that are worth on the black market xxx usd

Last time I check MtGox and other exchanges aren't black markets.  The fact that Bitcoins (and dollars) can be used for illegal purposes doesn't negate the fact that they have value in legit markets. 
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July 28, 2012, 11:30:23 PM
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You steal some Bitcoins from me I am going to call the Police.

The idea that the Police only investigate thefts of dollars is just stupid.

If u use cryptocoins then u play Cryptoanarchopoly game. If u took a gun and joined warfare, then u wouldn't call the police after being shot.
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July 28, 2012, 11:34:13 PM
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People still don't completely understand what cryptocoins are.

You got that right. And nothing else.

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July 28, 2012, 11:36:55 PM
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You steal some Bitcoins from me I am going to call the Police.

The idea that the Police only investigate thefts of dollars is just stupid.

If u use cryptocoins then u play Cryptoanarchopoly game. If u took a gun and joined warfare, then u wouldn't call the police after being shot.

Actually, police will investigate gang shootings against drug dealers who carry unlicensed firearms as well. You have misunderstood what the police are for based on your misinformation. Are you getting all your news from youtube?

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July 28, 2012, 11:37:24 PM
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Hey cops! Some guy stole my math equations that are worth on the black market xxx usd

Last time I check MtGox and other exchanges aren't black markets.  The fact that Bitcoins (and dollars) can be used for illegal purposes doesn't negate the fact that they have value in legit markets. 

OK fine. They are UNREGULATED AND NO LAWS PROTECT FROM THIS TYPE OF PRODUCT.

Is that better?

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July 28, 2012, 11:38:41 PM
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Hey cops! Some guy stole my math equations that are worth on the black market xxx usd

Last time I check MtGox and other exchanges aren't black markets.  The fact that Bitcoins (and dollars) can be used for illegal purposes doesn't negate the fact that they have value in legit markets. 

OK fine. They are UNREGULATED AND NO LAWS PROTECT FROM THIS TYPE OF PRODUCT.

Is that better?

Not really. They are unregulated directly but are still regulated to a degree via FinCEN.

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July 28, 2012, 11:44:32 PM
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Any reasonable person would call the police if something was stolen from them.

All evidence points towards Zhou Tong stealing from Bitcoinica.  He claims to have his identity stolen, and he says he was framed.  Yet he has not called the police...  hmmmmm

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July 28, 2012, 11:44:40 PM
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Hey cops! Some guy stole my math equations that are worth on the black market xxx usd

Last time I check MtGox and other exchanges aren't black markets.  The fact that Bitcoins (and dollars) can be used for illegal purposes doesn't negate the fact that they have value in legit markets. 

OK fine. They are UNREGULATED AND NO LAWS PROTECT FROM THIS TYPE OF PRODUCT.

Is that better?

Why are you yelling, uncle? Also, just curious - are carrots regulated? I'm growing some in my garden. What do you think about carrots?

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July 28, 2012, 11:44:57 PM
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Actually, police will investigate gang shootings against drug dealers who carry unlicensed firearms as well. You have misunderstood what the police are for based on your misinformation. Are you getting all your news from youtube?

I meant the warfare like American Civil War.
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July 28, 2012, 11:46:25 PM
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Reasons why people call for the cops are:
 
1. they are NOT a victim and just are craving for sensation
2. they ARE a victim and realize that a civil process to recover funds is far to risky and prohibitively expensive, so they desire revenge. Helplessly thy cry for others.

what they don't realize is that the cops won't actively start international crime investigations, pioneering new fields of law for such low amounts of damage. while local law obliges mostly to investigate, luckily also government conducts somehow a cost-benefit analysis.

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July 28, 2012, 11:47:00 PM
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Reason why people don't call the cops:

1) They are actually the ones that committed the crime

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