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February 23, 2015, 10:12:20 AM
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No. Bitcoin insurance will never come in to existence. It is too complex. Even if some one tries to come up with an insurance, the premium rates will be prohibitive.

I agree with this.
Insurance is very complex staff and in most countries is regulated very strictly by the law and controlled by the government.
As we know, bitcoin is not regulated by the government, or some central entity, so such scenario is not possible.

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February 23, 2015, 10:25:00 AM
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The biggest problem in the space is how do you differ bitcoin stolen and lost ?
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February 23, 2015, 10:37:33 AM
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You Bitmixer.io signature posters are always so full of questions!   You're always the ones creating new threads.  Im sure its genuine curiosity Smiley

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It is genuine curiosity, but I only speak for myself. Did you have anything constructive to add to this discussion or question? Or are you trolling for opportunities to harass?

If you think my questions or threads or posts are trivial, noise, trolling, or a nuisance, please do me a favor and let me know.

I participate in a signature ad campaign because it allows me to 1) make some small money, and 2) become more fully immersed in the bitcoin economy. If my comments ever cross the line from constructive I'd appreciate anyone letting me know so I can make changes. I only want to be a constructive participant.

just to feed the troll: It might just be the chicken and the egg. Being curious led me to signature campaigns and now it is paying off to be curious. But now everytime I post something the question pops up if I am only posting to get my post count for the campaign or it is stil genuine curiousity in the botcoin community. I can assure you for most of the sig campaigners it is the latter, we just found a way to monotize our curiousity.

OT: Isn't is as in the sig of Bittburger a bit backwards  to rely on insurance and old behemoths of financial institutions. Putting our trust out of our hands and giving back the power to the ones we took it from by instantiating the Crypto revolution?

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February 23, 2015, 11:06:57 AM
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Coinbase and Circle are not really "insured". If your account gets hacked, they don't give you a penny:

Check my thread about it and the comments inside:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=960437.msg10517604#msg10517604

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February 23, 2015, 11:19:28 AM
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Yes, it is a reality.  I only use buy, sell, and use wallets on services that claim to be insured. 

Really ? What service do you use. No one would be stupid enough to offer insureance on Bitcoins.

I think they just offer insurance against things that may go wrong with the company do to their fault, so your coins may be ensured against the business going bust, but not if you lose your coins yourself.

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February 23, 2015, 12:22:15 PM
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Yes, it is a reality.  I only use buy, sell, and use wallets on services that claim to be insured. 

Really ? What service do you use. No one would be stupid enough to offer insureance on Bitcoins.

I think they just offer insurance against things that may go wrong with the company do to their fault, so your coins may be ensured against the business going bust, but not if you lose your coins yourself.
I thought they were insured against hacks
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February 23, 2015, 02:24:20 PM
Last edit: February 23, 2015, 02:51:00 PM by AaronPaul
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The biggest problem in the space is how do you differ bitcoin stolen and lost ?

Long time lurker.. Wouldnt insurance be fairly trivial for bitcoin (for a "savings account", not an account like a "checking account")?

I create an insurance company.

I will insure your bitcoin balance for a specific wallet.

This wallet is 2/3 multisig where I control one private key, you control one.

Insurance stipulates, as long as you follow the procedure (I verify a transaction is legitimate through my own means, could be tedious like 2fa + a phone call to you) then the balance is insured.

If a transaction goes through using this process, the transaction was legitimate regardless of what you say (the transaction that goes through via this method is not insured)

So basically, it would be impossible to "jive" this system.

edit:  to clarify, we agree, both you and I, ahead of time "Ok, I will insure your 100,000 BTC balance as long as we both can agree on a process where we both feel assured that a proper transaction has taken place.  Number one, no more than 1 transaction can occur per day.  An email will be sent to you after every transaction.  An SMS will be sent on any transaction over 10 BTC.  Under 1 BTC requires 2fa.  Anything over 1 btc and it requires 2fa plus I will call you and you answer the secret question.  etc.. etc..."

Although it sounds "heavy", in reality, it is fairly trivial, and not only guarantees your money could never be stolen (moreso than a bank) but I can even give you interest on your "savings" since this process is similar to what we perceive as a savings account at a bank.  Interest would allow for leveraging a small part of your balance which is a whole new process, but again, trivialized at the user level.
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February 23, 2015, 03:01:38 PM
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New upcoming Bitcoin exchange Gemini is fully insured:

https://blog.gemini.com/welcome-to-gemini/

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We are also thrilled to announce that we have secured a banking relationship with a New York State-chartered bank. This means that your money will never leave the country. It also means that US dollars on Gemini will be eligible for FDIC insurance and held by a US-regulated bank. Your US dollars on Gemini will be as safe and secure as they are in your bank account today.

Your Bitcoin on Gemini exchange will be fully insured in the appropriate US dollar amount.

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February 23, 2015, 03:21:08 PM
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With the risk of hacking being talked about a lot, it's a bit obvious to think what insurance options are available (or could be available) to protect us from our bitcoin being stolen.

It's a big need but so difficult to manage or implement successfully.

If I insured your bitcoin, how could I be sure that you didn't rob yourself to collect on the insurance?

Can bitcoin insurance ever become reality?
All bitcoins stored in Xapo's Vault are 100% insured, and arguably the only truly insured bitcoin storage in existence, in which you are protected not only from any loss of bitcoin, but protected in the odd chance Xapo itself as a company ever dissolves. We've accomplished this by forming a captive insurance company. Details can be read in our FAQ: support.xapo.com/insurance

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February 23, 2015, 04:54:57 PM
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I don't think bitcoin insurance is even a possiblity , after reading some comments that coinbase and circle provide insurance to the accounts
But then again this guys post cleared my doubt!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=960437.msg10517604#msg10517604
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February 23, 2015, 05:37:43 PM
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Coinbase is insured against employee theft and hacking in an amount that exceeds the average value of online bitcoin it holds at any given time. Specifically, Coinbase's insurance policy would respond in the event that bitcoin stored in Coinbase was lost or stolen as a result of a breach of our physical security, cyber security, or as a result of employee theft.

Coinbase has held this insurance since November 2013 with highly rated carriers (S&P rating of A+ or A.M. Best Rating of A XV or higher).

This insurance policy does not cover damages resulting from a specific user's loss, such as the losses resulting from a compromise of the user's login credentials. Coinbase's insurance also contains standard policy exclusions (e.x. force majeure). Should information regarding this coverage materially change, we’ll update this and other relevant pages in a timely manner.


What type of an insurance you were hoping Coinable and Circle carry? One which covers thousands of users scamming their own accounts?
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February 23, 2015, 06:53:35 PM
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I don't think bitcoin insurance is even a possiblity , after reading some comments that coinbase and circle provide insurance to the accounts
But then again this guys post cleared my doubt!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=960437.msg10517604#msg10517604

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=965719.0

According to that a company is offering insured trading. Insurance isn't such a massive issue and most legit companies will have insurance that covers their own end at least (though not for users 'claiming; their funds got 'hacked'.

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February 23, 2015, 08:35:51 PM
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I don;t think that;s too easy to make so, no.
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February 23, 2015, 08:41:57 PM
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Great question on this topic, i was talking about this a few weeks back in how complex this could be, to insure a decentralize currency like bitcoin we would need some huge fiat backing since most of the people that
talk about insurance of btc are fiat holders trying to invest in btc.
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February 23, 2015, 09:19:23 PM
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Coinbase and Circle are not really "insured". If your account gets hacked, they don't give you a penny:

Check my thread about it and the comments inside:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=960437.msg10517604#msg10517604

I never assumed it was other way than that...

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February 24, 2015, 12:54:45 PM
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No. Bitcoin insurance will never come in to existence. It is too complex. Even if some one tries to come up with an insurance, the premium rates will be prohibitive.

yes mate.. I dont see it happening as well..lots of scamming possibility.. At least Im not getting involved in one.. Would like to see if it works out though..
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February 25, 2015, 04:04:32 AM
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I don't think bitcoin insurance is even a possiblity , after reading some comments that coinbase and circle provide insurance to the accounts
But then again this guys post cleared my doubt!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=960437.msg10517604#msg10517604

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=965719.0

According to that a company is offering insured trading. Insurance isn't such a massive issue and most legit companies will have insurance that covers their own end at least (though not for users 'claiming; their funds got 'hacked'.

What's in it for us ?
A company get's hacked , they got themself insured but would they really give us that?
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February 26, 2015, 04:43:24 PM
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Today it is now a reality.  Bitcoin insurance provide by BitGo:

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/19382/breaking-news-bitgo-unleashes-fdic-like-insurance-ushering-new-era-bitcoin-security/



Step by step, getting all the infrastructure in place we need.  Lovin' it!!!


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February 26, 2015, 05:59:20 PM
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surely bitcoin is safe.  What is not safe are some sites evil intensionados  trying to catch our BTC with cheap advertising.

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February 27, 2015, 03:45:59 AM
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i don't think you can insure your own held btc.  exchanges would be more than happy to charge you a fee (insurance) to pretend to keep your coins safer.
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