[Announcement] Butterfly Labs

[WhitePhantom]

I'm still waiting for someone with proper reputation on the forums to actually show me a photo of a rig he received.
Other that that, OK.

Here's the post I put up after I received mine.  It was a while after giga's.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60586.msg1050427#msg1050427

P.S. The video I took was the first time I'd ever used my new camera...Didn't realize I have to manually focus it in video mode.

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[ursa]

BFL,
Just 1 question....Can you please reply with true or false?

http://www.altera.com/products/devices/hardcopy-asics/hardcopy-stratix/hst-index.jsp

[Epoch]

BFL,
Just 1 question....Can you please reply with true or false?

http://www.altera.com/products/devices/hardcopy-asics/hardcopy-stratix/hst-index.jsp

They *can* reply, yes. But they won't. There is no good reason for them to do so.

[ursa]

BFL,
Just 1 question....Can you please reply with true or false?

http://www.altera.com/products/devices/hardcopy-asics/hardcopy-stratix/hst-index.jsp

[fred0]

BFL,
Just 1 question....Can you please reply with true or false?

http://www.altera.com/products/devices/hardcopy-asics/hardcopy-stratix/hst-index.jsp

Why is this important? (Not being sarcastic)

[ursa]

fred0 and Epoch, do you work at BFL?
The post was for BFL...
Kind Regards

[Epoch]

fred0 and Epoch, do you work at BFL?
...

Just trying to save you some time. You appear new here, so perhaps you haven't been keeping up with the numerous BFL threads since the end of last year. Some of us, however, have.

Your type of question has been asked many times before of BFL about their current gen products. Care to guess what their response was every time? Do you understand that it is to BFL's advantage not to publicize this type of information? If you do not, then please feel free to ask your question for a third time here.

I mean no disrespect, but if you don't want others to get involved in your publicly posted questions, PM your question directly to BFL.

[ursa]

Epoch,
Keep begging for tips and let people talk about other stuff
When you want people to respect you and your words,you must have dignity...which we can find in your signature... )

[WhitePhantom]

I've also been watching the BFL threads since late last year and I'm a happy customer with two BFL mini-rigs.

Of course there's no harm in asking, but I also believe the odds that they'll respond at all to this sort of question are near zero and the odds that they'll respond with any information that satisfies the nature of your question are exactly zero.

[crazyates]

Epoch,
Keep begging for tips and let people talk about other stuff
When you want people to respect you and your words,you must have dignity...which we can find in your signature... )

Epoch has been around for a while, and I've always found him helpful and well informed.

You're just being an ass.

[aTg]

fred0 and Epoch, do you work at BFL?
...

Just trying to save you some time. You appear new here, so perhaps you haven't been keeping up with the numerous BFL threads since the end of last year. Some of us, however, have.

Your type of question has been asked many times before of BFL about their current gen products. Care to guess what their response was every time? Do you understand that it is to BFL's advantage not to publicize this type of information? If you do not, then please feel free to ask your question for a third time here.

I mean no disrespect, but if you don't want others to get involved in your publicly posted questions, PM your question directly to BFL.

 Do not post messages that mean you're new to the forum, maybe you bring less time than many who are not even registered ... If BFL will sell like a hatdcopy ASIC will not meet the specifications promised even close.

[fred0]

fred0 and Epoch, do you work at BFL?
The post was for BFL...
Kind Regards

I would like to echo Epoch's sentiment. You posted the same message twice. As a forum reader, I want to know why this matter is important.  Like I said in my comment, it was not sarcastic.  What would be the performance difference between a hardcopy implementation from a fpga and a true asic?  I am not an electrical engineer, and this is not in my domain of my working knowledge.

Assuming that this product is an altera hardcopy, why are the performance numbers that BFL has specified not realistic?

This all seems a bit deja vu, since the bulk of BFL critics said the current shipping single was not possible.  I am curious to see if history repeats.

[AndrewBUD]

Epoch,
Keep begging for tips and let people talk about other stuff
When you want people to respect you and your words,you must have dignity...which we can find in your signature... )

Why should helpful people not list an address in their sig? i'll say +1 for being an Ass....

[rjk]

Simple - if you have a question that you want only BFL to answer (or not answer as the case may be...), send them an email.
By posting on a public forum, you are implicitly inviting any and all users to coment - it is a forum, after all.

[aTg]

The important thing is to discover if the ASIC announced by BFL is a hardcopy, leaving childhood fights ...

[LazyOtto]

Why is that important? What does it matter to you?

If they supply a device which you are willing to pay for, it doesn't matter if it is made with hand soldered discrete transistors on a perf board.

[kano]

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This all seems a bit deja vu, since the bulk of BFL critics said the current shipping single was not possible.  I am curious to see if history repeats.

Yes many people said the specs they posted were not possible.

Oddly enough that was true - since they only had a simulation when they started selling BFL Singles last year
(that no one got before the end of February)

The power specs were wrong by a fact of 4 - which is a VERY big number to be wrong by.

The hash specs were an ~26% overstatement. Not a big deal - but certainly not very accurate for a company claiming something based on a simulation that turned out to be wrong.

They also said 4-6 weeks (and continued to say that) even though they knew that wasn't true.

Now, if they are again wrong about power with their ASIC simulation, then something they have stated will not work.
They have stated that it will mine from a powered USB port in your computer without the need for a power adapter to power the device directly - the power adapter is only needed for (yeah this part is so stupid IMO) the coffee warmer

Hopefully they got the simulation correct this time (again - selling something with specs based on a simulation - you think they would have learned from doing that last time how pissed off some people will be if they guessed wrong again)

[kano]

Why is that important? What does it matter to you?

If they supply a device which you are willing to pay for, it doesn't matter if it is made with hand soldered discrete transistors on a perf board.

Pretty valid statement: people have been willing to pay at least hundreds of thousand of dollars (or likely millions of dollars) for something before it even existed and who knows what will be required to be changed this time to get it to work (will they have major problems like last time?)

[fred0]

Hopefully they got the simulation correct this time (again - selling something with specs based on a simulation - you think they would have learned from doing that last time how pissed off some people will be if they guessed wrong again)

Well, they learned not to give out power specs 

Trade-ins until 1 March 2013. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=89104.msg982589#msg982589

[AndrewBUD]

I'll put money on MORE problems than last time.... The drama around here will never stop.