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March 06, 2015, 01:46:37 PM
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A stable price of $5000 would be great
Don't count on Bitcoin having price stability at $5,000, or any other amount measured in fiat.

But apparently we can't deny the fact that bitcoin cannot be valued as 1btc=1btc because most of the people are accustomed of seeing some prices in $$.

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March 06, 2015, 01:48:04 PM
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A stable price of $5000 would be great
Don't count on Bitcoin having price stability at $5,000, or any other amount measured in fiat.

But apparently we can't deny the fact that bitcoin cannot be valued as 1btc=1btc because most of the people are accustomed of seeing some prices in $$.
We have to for a long time, likely forever, you need to buy btc with something, and other currency's is how you do it.
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March 06, 2015, 02:38:28 PM
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A stable price of $5000 would be great
Don't count on Bitcoin having price stability at $5,000, or any other amount measured in fiat.

But apparently we can't deny the fact that bitcoin cannot be valued as 1btc=1btc because most of the people are accustomed of seeing some prices in $$.
We have to for a long time, likely forever, you need to buy btc with something, and other currency's is how you do it.

But in the current times? I think it's a no. Unless we get some massive adoption then we can safely say that 1btc=1btc and we can price things with btc.

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March 06, 2015, 06:21:45 PM
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A stable price of $5000 would be great
Don't count on Bitcoin having price stability at $5,000, or any other amount measured in fiat.

But apparently we can't deny the fact that bitcoin cannot be valued as 1btc=1btc because most of the people are accustomed of seeing some prices in $$.

Nothing can ever be valued by itself, that's recursive, everything is only valued by what you can trade it for.
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March 06, 2015, 10:12:05 PM
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The market disagrees. And since only the market counts, the price is about $280 at this point.
Agree the only price that counts in the end is the market price.
You may complain that the market may be rigged, as e.g., many gold bugs do, but in the end of the day that is all what counts.

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March 10, 2015, 02:22:54 AM
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Saw some exciment today, hopefully we will reach $300 this week and $518 in the coming months.
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March 10, 2015, 09:48:33 AM
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Is it just me, or did this "Fair Price" calculation use the Labor theory of value? That's the discredited Marxist notion that the value of an item is based on the amount of work to produce it. For example, if we could somehow assign my labor a value of $10/hour, and I spent 100 hours hacking at a hunk of rock with a chisel, the resulting sculpture would be supposedly valued at $1000 - even if it was an unrecognizable mess (which is what I would expect).

Assigning value to bitcoin based on the costs involving in mining it is going at it backwards, IMHO.

Might be backwards to you, but the cost of mining is what at the moment determines the value of bitcoins. The miners spend X amount on the mining rigs and expect X+profit for the coins they mine.

Love your take on the Labor theory Smiley

It is backwards to think that miner's costs determine the value of bitcoin. Miners can only move the price by selling (or choosing not to sell) the coins they mine. If miners were to completely stop selling, there are enough coins being traded that it wouldn't affect the price that much, at least in the short term.

The cause-effect relationship is indeed the other way around: the difficulty follows the market price. If the price drops too much, it is no longer economical for some miners to continue operating, and the hash rate drops.

If we take miners out of the equation, the "fair" dollar price should be determined by the amount of trade that uses bitcoins, the money velocity of bitcoins, and the number of bitcoins in existence. So if there are 15M BTC out there, and the transactions performed using BTC add up to $15B/year and each bitcoin changes hands 10 times a year, then the fair price is 15B/15M/10 = $100.

Note that both the trade volume and money velocity are just random guesses here.


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March 10, 2015, 11:53:02 AM
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The 'fair' price of bitcoin is relevant to its current use. $518 may be fair but it could be much more or much less depending on demand and that is what's key. We need more people owning and transacting with it for the value to inflate.

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