I do have an agenda - what is yours?

[onemorexmr]

my agenda: i believe that sound money is important to make this world a better place for everybody.

my definition of sound money:
 - fixed supply / rules known by all participants
 - no interest
 - small or no inflation
 - unregulated cheap transactions around the world to anyone
 - fungibility (i think(!) this goes hand-in-hand with anonymity - but mixers seem to work well enough)
 - anonymous
 - everybody can participate
 - trustless (means: i only need to trust mathematics and nothing else)

^ that is what get me to btc in the first place and i still believe in it.

what's your agenda? why are you here?

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[Bralex]

An agenda tells me that you actually are in a position to make the decision and out come of something where others and yourself are discussing the future of said something, we have no sway on what happens i am afraid so therefor we cannot have an agenda as far as i know.

You make a list of why you joined bitcoin and it is a cool and honest list 

You ask a legit question at the end. Why am i here, i am here because this opportunity is here i mean i dislike everything about the banks and their monopoly/control they have over average joe, so in short i am here to take this chance at becoming my own bank for myself and my family with a chance of financial freedom..   

[onemorexmr]

You ask a legit question at the end. Why am i here, i am here because this opportunity is here i mean i dislike everything about the banks and their monopoly/control they have over average joe, so in short i am here to take this chance at becoming my own bank for myself and my family with a chance of financial freedom..   

it seems you are in the same boat as me
if only person wants to be his own bank: it cant work.

but bitcoin gives this power to many people.

[Bralex]

You ask a legit question at the end. Why am i here, i am here because this opportunity is here i mean i dislike everything about the banks and their monopoly/control they have over average joe, so in short i am here to take this chance at becoming my own bank for myself and my family with a chance of financial freedom..   

it seems you are in the same boat as me
if only person wants to be his own bank: it cant work.

but bitcoin gives this power to many people.

I am sure most of us are here for this reason, we obviously have the guys that just want to make money and hold no ideals but i believe the vast majority are here for similar reasons to us which is really good.

There is a hiccup though us guys are not long term traders and we do not like losing value so we need to adapt to not caring for the value of the coin because if we can't adapt we end up angry with the coin and forget the amazing opportunity it gives us, and this will all because of manipulators who care not of the benefits but just the money it can make them. 

Lets go sailing my friend 

[onemorexmr]

There is a hiccup though us guys are not long term traders and we do not like losing value so we need to adapt to not caring for the value of the coin because if we can't adapt we end up angry with the coin and forget the amazing opportunity it gives us, and this will all because of manipulators who care not of the benefits but just the money it can make them. 

indeed: that was hard to learn!

my main concern is still all the thefts. yea i know who to blame, but still that was the sole reason why i stopped buying.

Lets go sailing my friend 

well... if you are in germany near bodensee sometime shoot me a pm. i'll have access to a sailboat there

[Quartx]

You would say I am lying if I told you I was here from the start just because I like the technology behind Bitcoin

[onemorexmr]

You would say I am lying if I told you I was here from the start just because I like the technology behind Bitcoin

why should i?
the tech caught my first... it took a few months to realize the consequences.
since then i love the tech and the potential consequences for society (though the latter is more important to me).

but... the tech gets slowly boring as i understand more and more of it...
the current fork discussion is sth interesting again

[dothebeats]

I am here mainly because of the knowledge that I may gain. As I seek for knowledge, I've learned to embrace the different aspects that bitcoin offers: anonymity, low fees, freedom from financial institutions and a lot more.

[Amph]

i'm here simple because i like money , but i like it in the "form of bitcoin", and everything related to it's technology

but i want also 100% anon, i hope bitcoin will achieve that one day, because i hate taxes 

[Brilliantrocket]

Bitcoin is neither fungible, nor anonymous, so I suggest you keep looking.

[mistercoin]

Mine's a little notebook that I bought at wal-mart. It even has little note sections in it!

[dothebeats]

i'm here simple because i like money , but i like it in the "form of bitcoin", and everything related to it's technology

but i want also 100% anon, i hope bitcoin will achieve that one day, because i hate taxes 

It will take time, but we will soon get there. People aren't accustomed on using tech to pay for everything they need. Give bitcoin some time and we'll soon get to it.

[BillyBobZorton]

i'm here simple because i like money , but i like it in the "form of bitcoin", and everything related to it's technology

but i want also 100% anon, i hope bitcoin will achieve that one day, because i hate taxes 

I dont think Bitcoin will ever be 100% anonymous, for that we have Monero.
Im here to make as much Bitcoin as possible hoping that the price stays low as long as possible.

[Bit_Happy]

I am here because Bitcoin is an exciting free market project, "the money part" is just an added bonus. 

[Coinshot]

Simple, i want to make more money. BTC is a traders best friend with the high volatility.
Holding for the big gains once every few years is not that tempting. Considerably more profit can be had by simply trading conservatively.

[Meuh6879]

2013 : the cave
2014 : the grass
2015 : the paved street
2016 : the car
2017 : the train
2018 : the sky
2019 : the moon
2020 : MARS (bird = FIAT money)



  so, it's clear ... i'm on it ! 

[Bralex]

indeed: that was hard to learn!

my main concern is still all the thefts. yea i know who to blame, but still that was the sole reason why i stopped buying.

Lets go sailing my friend 

well... if you are in germany near bodensee sometime shoot me a pm. i'll have access to a sailboat there

Yes the thefts are bad and not good for Bitcoin but they will eventually fade away when trusted exchanges come to the surface, they will be gone for good once we get decentralized 

Don't let them make you think twice as it is so new it had dirty people take advantage of it this happens with everything everywhere.

I am not actually to far from you lol and you may well get a pm from me in the summer

[V for Varoufakis]

"i only need to trust mathematics"

Gold standard is the wrong mathematics. The right mathematics is: Big velocity of money=less money supply, small velocity of money=more money supply.

[Q7]

For me, what is important is preservation of value. It's not the ideal thing for fiat because the number of items I can buy with the fiat I have today will not get me the same few years down the road. No thanks to how central banks can actually manipulate the system and work their way out with printing more money. The fixed supply of bitcoin is what I like the most.

[V for Varoufakis]

The most important thing in an economy, is the velocity of money, so, an automatic fiat system, without human intervention, is very good idea.

[Possum577]

To get people to realize we are not slaves to the government but creators of it. If we sit back and let things happen the few and the powerful will do whatever they want. If we rise up and voice our will (peacefully) we will be able to shape the world we want to live in...with more equality (where equality is due) and more freedom.

[waterpile]

mine? Like the most of the people are here for to earn and try to be rich through the use of bitcoin.

[manselr]

mine? Like the most of the people are here for to earn and try to be rich through the use of bitcoin.

Yeah, that would sum up 99.99% of people. Wanting to be rich doesn't necessarly mean one doesn't care about Bitcoin as an interesting pieceo of technology and the philosophic ramifications that the technology has on society. In fact, unless you don't deeply understand these, you'll never make it because you'll not hold long enough.

[onemorexmr]

mine? Like the most of the people are here for to earn and try to be rich through the use of bitcoin.

Yeah, that would sum up 99.99% of people. Wanting to be rich doesn't necessarly mean one doesn't care about Bitcoin as an interesting pieceo of technology and the philosophic ramifications that the technology has on society. In fact, unless you don't deeply understand these, you'll never make it because you'll not hold long enough.

+1 i have invested in bitcoin (and monero lately) because they fit my believes.
i also believe i can make money with them: but if not...well so be it... my main intention is to support a movement i believe in.

[B.A.S.]

I am here because BTC stands a chance of updating the archaic banking system of today and I'd like to profit if it becomes integrated into the way my country's (US) financials are undergone. I have no interest in how this technology might represent my ideological beliefs. It's adapt or be left behind.

[onemorexmr]

my definition of sound money:
 - fixed supply / rules known by all participants
 - no interest
 - small or no inflation

Never inflation cannot be achieved with a fixed supply.  Only no long run inflation can.

Interest can only be produced by debt.  Without debt, households and businesses would be far smaller.

interest was referring to some of the pos altcoins - there you get interest without debt. if someone lends out btc and gets interest for it i think its fine - he takes a risk and gets a reward. but not just for holding them yourself.

you are right: fixed supply and small inflation does not go together. i was referring to monero which has planned a small tail-emission of about 1xmr/block to keep miners mining. IMHO this is a good idea (please judge for yourself)

imho "rules known by all participants" is the more important part. i wont accept any changes to the social contract of a coin (eg if bitcoin changes reward scheme they'll never see me again)

[desertfox470]

Sound money to me is exactly what you mentioned. I feel that btc has most of those things except for a stable price. I think that is the biggest thing that holds btc back. While I understand why the btc price is able to change, and that it is important to change since it is not relying on fiat. I feel that is the biggest thing holding btc back.

[onemorexmr]

Sound money to me is exactly what you mentioned. I feel that btc has most of those things except for a stable price. I think that is the biggest thing that holds btc back. While I understand why the btc price is able to change, and that it is important to change since it is not relying on fiat. I feel that is the biggest thing holding btc back.

price is not a concern for me, but you are right: whenever i try to bring friends to btc i hear that argument (some i have convinced).

we need more adoption to get a stable price and a stable price will get more adoption

[desertfox470]

Sound money to me is exactly what you mentioned. I feel that btc has most of those things except for a stable price. I think that is the biggest thing that holds btc back. While I understand why the btc price is able to change, and that it is important to change since it is not relying on fiat. I feel that is the biggest thing holding btc back.

price is not a concern for me, but you are right: whenever i try to bring friends to btc i hear that argument (some i have convinced).

we need more adoption to get a stable price and a stable price will get more adoption

Whenever I try to tell friends about bitcoins I hear almost all the time "but the price is not stable" that is why I think that is one of the biggest things holding btc from being sound money.

[ajareselde]

I am not one of those who pretend to want everything to be milk and honey for everyone, in society there has to be differences for the system to operate.
But with time those borders between the rich and poor got too big, more and more money is on the rich side while the poor people get larger in numbers, and
our current system is what made all that possible.

Thats why i am here, i dont want any more rules that benefit the rich only, i want to be free to trade with anyone i want around the world, and i want to be one
of the people that had the honor to be in the very begining of the financial revolution.
If that brings me benefits along the way, great, if not, i still wont regret it, being a part of it will be enough also.
Thats my agenda. Enough was enough.

cheers

[onemorexmr]

Sound money to me is exactly what you mentioned. I feel that btc has most of those things except for a stable price. I think that is the biggest thing that holds btc back. While I understand why the btc price is able to change, and that it is important to change since it is not relying on fiat. I feel that is the biggest thing holding btc back.

price is not a concern for me, but you are right: whenever i try to bring friends to btc i hear that argument (some i have convinced).

we need more adoption to get a stable price and a stable price will get more adoption

Whenever I try to tell friends about bitcoins I hear almost all the time "but the price is not stable" that is why I think that is one of the biggest things holding btc from being sound money.

bitcoin is just not there yet.
sound money needs more users than our 250k (that was the last number i heard)

if just anybody who regularly trades between countries uses btc it will be stable. imho its just a matter of time.

[cutesakura]

to be honest I am here to fill my spare time, I used the spare Waku order to be useful, so I can get information and money at the same time, frankly by following these forums I get a lot of information, and I can give constructive opinion in this forum
I hope this forum can be developed further, so that more and more members are active in this forum ...

[onemorexmr]

Would you prefer a pro rata adjustment to all accounts so long as it was disclosed that that's how supply would be managed to maintain price stability?

i don't think any adjustment is needed.

if the value of btc is high enough and enough people are involved (i don't know whats "enough" tough) i expect price fluctuations to be comparable to other currency pairs.

if people are afraid of losing value there are already financial instruments to reduce that risk (eg hedging). i expect that they will be used, they just need a little fine-tuning that they can be used by everybody at anytime.

if more shops accept btc a new economy develops. if some of them manage to get their supply changes completely in btc that would be a huge step.

i hope that btc will get to the point where it is used as a currency for import and export. as i see the most benefit for transactions between countries.

i do use my btc as a currency btw. i never sold for fiat, but bought stuff with them (from friends or pizza delievery) - but all of that is still priced in EUR; i am sure that will change someday.

EDIT: btw adjustment with what? i live in europe and i dont really care about USD (so m0 is not a solution to me)