newbie jail

[Wary]

This is to persuade Theymos to open newbie jail.
Secondbest option, IMO, would be status-based filtering. Instead of lengthy ignore list, being able to set something like "show legendary, heroes and seniors only".


EDIT: By the results of the discussion I've changed my opinion:

-The best option is being able to use somebody else's black/white lists.
-The second best option is being able to set ignores by status (by clicking tick-boxes in your profile).
-The third best option is the newbie jail (that is comment from newbies go to separate thread).

[NewbieJailIsWrong]

Your proposal = help bitcoin become even more of a cult than what it already is.

It's all about freedom amirite? Newbie Jail? really?

[Ibian]

Emphatic yes before even reading the op. Do it do it do it!

[ajareselde]

This is to persuade Theymos to open newbie jail.
Secondbest option, IMO, would be status-based filtering. Instead of lengthy ignore list, being able to set something like "show legendary, heroes and seniors only".

I often think the same thing, but sometimes i get smacked in the face with statements from certain newbie members that are obviously very intelligent ones,
so it seams rather harsh to judge every newbie the same way, maybe thats why the jail is removed in the first place ?

Your proposal = help bitcoin become even more of a cult than what it already is.

It's all about freedom amirite? Newbie Jail? really?

U seriously opened new account just to do this ? I'm not even mad, that's amazing :]

cheers

[BCwinning]

absolutely. There is and was nothing wrong with making 10 posts before posting a thread.
I went through it and I was surprised to see it was removed.
Plus it will cut down on the viagra spam littering the forums lately.

[hyphymikey]

I like the filter option, but I am sure that wouldn't be implemented until the new forum comes out. I doubt Theymos would open newbie jail again in the current forum either.

[Wandererfromthenorth]

It's understandable why the newbie jail was removed.

It's a ridiculous barrier to new users that want to discuss about bitcoin for whatever reason and post in all sections right away.
With the bitcoin price crashing all last year I guess there is a lot less interest in bitcoin currently from new people. Putting another barrier like newbie jails or whatever means that the forum becomes even more deserted.

[Ibian]

I often think the same thing, but sometimes i get smacked in the face with statements from certain newbie members that are obviously very intelligent ones,
so it seams rather harsh to judge every newbie the same way, maybe thats why the jail is removed in the first place ?

Anecdotes are useless. A statistical sample of one is not a statistic. This is about averages and signal to noise.

[Ibian]

It's understandable why the newbie jail was removed.

It's a ridiculous barrier to new users that want to discuss about bitcoin for whatever reason and post in all sections right away.
With the bitcoin price crashing all last year I guess there is a lot less interest in bitcoin currently from new people. Putting another barrier like newbie jails or whatever means that the forum becomes even more deserted.

Anyone who is serious about bitcoin will be able to tolerate it. We don't need or want people with such a short attention span and inability to understand the point of it.

[erwin45hacked]

It's understandable why the newbie jail was removed.

It's a ridiculous barrier to new users that want to discuss about bitcoin for whatever reason and post in all sections right away.
With the bitcoin price crashing all last year I guess there is a lot less interest in bitcoin currently from new people. Putting another barrier like newbie jails or whatever means that the forum becomes even more deserted.

Anyone who is serious about bitcoin will be able to tolerate it. We don't need or want people with such a short attention span and inability to understand the point of it.

with all due respect, we all started from the inability to understand the point of bitcoin. we all started from no knowledge about bitcoin until today, so a barrier like newbie jail is a big no to this forum where people come to learn more about it

[SaltySpitoon]

To quote myself:

Ehh, I was a moderator luckily only for a few months with the whitelist system, and it was not fun. I remember going through newbie jail, I dont think it had a post requirement at the time, I just left Bitcointalk open for 4 hours and just went and did something else. I also delayed signing up for a few months, using a friends account because I didn't feel like going through newbie jail. People don't seem to realize that getting rid of newbie jail doesn't really change much, it just delays spammers/bots by 4 hours, so essentially after 4 hours of changing the newbie jail system, things would go back to normal. Anyway, report bots/spammers/account farmers if you see them. There are a few staff members who are really good at purging large numbers of spammers at once. Report one, and 20 will go away quickly.

Point being, newbie jail is a strain on the staff, and it doesn't do anything positive. The only people it interupts are the individuals with 1-2 accounts that are here to actually learn/discuss. A 4 hour waiting period doesn't discourage spammers, because they just make 20 accounts and wait for the accounts to get out of newbie jail in shifts.

[redsn0w]

I voted yes for the simple reason that I have seen a lot of spammers bot. Everyday at least 20-30 spammers will sign up here and make a spam post in every off topic of each local board. I think the newbie jail will make this thing a little bit difficult but obviously will not resolve at 100% the problem.

[Ibian]

It's understandable why the newbie jail was removed.

It's a ridiculous barrier to new users that want to discuss about bitcoin for whatever reason and post in all sections right away.
With the bitcoin price crashing all last year I guess there is a lot less interest in bitcoin currently from new people. Putting another barrier like newbie jails or whatever means that the forum becomes even more deserted.

Anyone who is serious about bitcoin will be able to tolerate it. We don't need or want people with such a short attention span and inability to understand the point of it.

with all due respect, we all started from the inability to understand the point of bitcoin. we all started from no knowledge about bitcoin until today, so a barrier like newbie jail is a big no to this forum where people come to learn more about it

The first step is to read and ask questions. That's what the newbie forum is for. Or used to be for at some point, anyway.

[Ibian]

To quote myself:

Ehh, I was a moderator luckily only for a few months with the whitelist system, and it was not fun. I remember going through newbie jail, I dont think it had a post requirement at the time, I just left Bitcointalk open for 4 hours and just went and did something else. I also delayed signing up for a few months, using a friends account because I didn't feel like going through newbie jail. People don't seem to realize that getting rid of newbie jail doesn't really change much, it just delays spammers/bots by 4 hours, so essentially after 4 hours of changing the newbie jail system, things would go back to normal. Anyway, report bots/spammers/account farmers if you see them. There are a few staff members who are really good at purging large numbers of spammers at once. Report one, and 20 will go away quickly.

Point being, newbie jail is a strain on the staff, and it doesn't do anything positive. The only people it interupts are the individuals with 1-2 accounts that are here to actually learn/discuss. A 4 hour waiting period doesn't discourage spammers, because they just make 20 accounts and wait for the accounts to get out of newbie jail in shifts.

So take that into account when setting up the rules. People want this. It's 14 to 2 at this point (the no activity troll doesn't count).

[SaltySpitoon]

So take that into account when setting up the rules. People want this. It's 14 to 2 at this point (the no activity troll doesn't count).

The removal of newbie jail was something that had been planned for a long time before it happened. There are a multitude of reasons that it wont be coming back. There is no way around it, newbie jail is a deturrent for people who aren't its intended purpose. Spammers/botters etc don't care about newbie jail in the slightest. Its taxing on the staff, it promotes spam rather than preventing it, and it inhibits legitimate membership. If you just read an article about Bitcoin, are now interested in learning more, and come here for some info; if the forum's restrictions turn you away thats one less person to enter the Bitcoin community, to be active in real conversation, and to be a member of what it is thats built here.

All of that said, there seems to be a common misconception that newbie jail does something positive. I have yet to find a single positive thing that newbie jail does for us, they are all negatives, why reinstate it?

[funtotry]

This is to persuade Theymos to open newbie jail.
Secondbest option, IMO, would be status-based filtering. Instead of lengthy ignore list, being able to set something like "show legendary, heroes and seniors only".

No no, not status-based filtering, well anyways I wouldn't use it. I don't ignore anyone, doesn't heart to listen to everyone, even if they are shills, because you know what other people are talking about them.

[criptix]

Your proposal = help bitcoin become even more of a cult than what it already is.

It's all about freedom amirite? Newbie Jail? really?

yes please lock them all 

[Omikifuse]

Secondbest option, IMO, would be status-based filtering. Instead of lengthy ignore list, being able to set something like "show legendary, heroes and seniors only".

Do you know that account trade is allowed and any newbie can buy a senior+ account, right?

[tspacepilot]

This is to persuade Theymos to open newbie jail.
Secondbest option, IMO, would be status-based filtering. Instead of lengthy ignore list, being able to set something like "show legendary, heroes and seniors only".

I often think the same thing, but sometimes i get smacked in the face with statements from certain newbie members that are obviously very intelligent ones,
so it seams rather harsh to judge every newbie the same way, maybe thats why the jail is removed in the first place ?

Indeed while I also sometimes am annoyed by the newbie posts that are stoopid.  I find quite often that some dev who makes some exciting new software often launches a site and then creates a newbie account here to discuss how people are using it.  My point is that many folks hanging around on the sidelines should be able to create an account and speak up whenever they please.

[Muhammed Zakir]

No, please. I think this will scare away Newbies not to come. Many people come to ask their doubts, questions, to announce their service etc... This isn't a good idea and even because of the time limit, people still complain. Newbie jail isn't good as time limit. So the current time limit is enough, IMHO.

I agree with SaltySpitoon!

   -MZ