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May 04, 2015, 03:16:10 AM
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It's better to have signatures turned off by default and the user would have to explicitly turn them on if they wanted to see all that junk.

First thing I do when I sign up for a forum is turn off signatures.

I disagree. People put useful things in their signatures too like PGP key, Bitcoin address etc... Signature should be enabled by default. If you don't like specific signatures, hopefully, what BadBear suggested will be added.

I'm not denying that people put useful things in their signatures. But there's no need to enable them by default. You can view a persons signature from their profile page. There's absolutely no information in a signature that is needed to be displayed every post. It's purely a vanity move (or advertising). Any information that is important in a signature can be viewed from the profile page when it's needed.

For those people that like to see signatures, they could enable them. There's no reason to have signatures enabled by default and it would solve the divide between those who don't want advertising in signatures and those who do... that way, you can have whatever you want in a signature and only those people that decide they want to be subjected to them will be.


But how many advertisers are going to pay for signature space on a forum that defaults to not displaying signatures?  I think that would effectively kill signature ads.
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May 04, 2015, 04:29:12 AM
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1.5 million is overkill. You could spend maybe 200k and fully upgrade an existing open source forum software.

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May 04, 2015, 06:13:04 PM
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It's better to have signatures turned off by default and the user would have to explicitly turn them on if they wanted to see all that junk.

First thing I do when I sign up for a forum is turn off signatures.

I disagree. People put useful things in their signatures too like PGP key, Bitcoin address etc... Signature should be enabled by default. If you don't like specific signatures, hopefully, what BadBear suggested will be added.

I'm not denying that people put useful things in their signatures. But there's no need to enable them by default. You can view a persons signature from their profile page. There's absolutely no information in a signature that is needed to be displayed every post. It's purely a vanity move (or advertising). Any information that is important in a signature can be viewed from the profile page when it's needed.

For those people that like to see signatures, they could enable them. There's no reason to have signatures enabled by default and it would solve the divide between those who don't want advertising in signatures and those who do... that way, you can have whatever you want in a signature and only those people that decide they want to be subjected to them will be.


But how many advertisers are going to pay for signature space on a forum that defaults to not displaying signatures?  I think that would effectively kill signature ads.

So what? It's not the forums job to subject every single person to annoying signature ads. It's the difference between opt-in and opt-out advertising. If you are for opt-out advertising, you are likely a spammer or just an asshole. All advertising should be opt-in, which is what making signatures default to off would be.

I don't want to constantly be advertised to, which is why I turn off signatures. I shouldn't have to turn off signatures to prevent that. I should have to turn ON signatures if I want to receive that kind of junk mail. Otherwise, any important information that might be found in the signature, I can find on the users profile page just as easily, when and if I need it.
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May 11, 2015, 01:12:32 AM
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I don't get it, didn't someone say that the demo/beta version of the new forum was going to be released "very very soon" in February?  Has there any updates since then?  I'm pretty bad at searching so I would appreciate it if someone could send me a direct link if there is a topic specifically for updates.


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May 11, 2015, 01:14:25 AM
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I don't get it, didn't someone say that the demo/beta version of the new forum was going to be released "very very soon" in February?  Has there any updates since then?  I'm pretty bad at searching so I would appreciate it if someone could send me a direct link if there is a topic specifically for updates.

You could always build the source.

https://github.com/epochtalk

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May 11, 2015, 09:40:02 PM
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I don't get it, didn't someone say that the demo/beta version of the new forum was going to be released "very very soon" in February?  Has there any updates since then?  I'm pretty bad at searching so I would appreciate it if someone could send me a direct link if there is a topic specifically for updates.

You could always build the source.

https://github.com/epochtalk
Hello , I think its still not well designed , and some links are not working , they still developing it
and will prefer not to install it , its very complicated and take a lot of time , but I will be ready to
help anyone installing it .

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May 17, 2015, 10:49:56 PM
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I'm excited to see it fully developed, it should be a game-changer once released.

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May 25, 2015, 03:44:40 PM
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Excited yes , but patient not really  Cry It's being two months now since I was out the forums , I thought when I will comeback I will find new security and new design and all of the new cool stuff . but when I came back , forum went down and now it's ON again  Undecided any decisions has been made about this new forum on the last couple of months ?

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May 25, 2015, 04:05:45 PM
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I had some inner feeling, that this thread will be active little bit again after recent hack. really looking forward for new forum..
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May 26, 2015, 05:15:31 PM
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I don't really see this excitement among members.
Unfortunately, those coins could have been spent in a better way i think.

Disclaimer: i really like SMF. I don't want to change this.

Note:only thing i'd change is, the hashing of secret answers, maybe a bit more won't be bad for the security.

Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say.
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May 26, 2015, 05:33:13 PM
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I don't really see this excitement among members.
Unfortunately, those coins could have been spent in a better way i think.

Disclaimer: i really like SMF. I don't want to change this.

Note:only thing i'd change is, the hashing of secret answers, maybe a bit more won't be bad for the security.
I lie SMF, I am really used to it, and I am very used to it. I have been on this account for 40 days, which is 960 hours. I do admit the forum is looking very old and in my opinion not the prettiest. I would definitely have to get used to it, but I would rather spend a couple hours getting uesd to it then having to still use the current version.

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May 26, 2015, 05:48:21 PM
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I don't really see this excitement among members.
Unfortunately, those coins could have been spent in a better way i think.

Disclaimer: i really like SMF. I don't want to change this.

Note:only thing i'd change is, the hashing of secret answers, maybe a bit more won't be bad for the security.
I lie SMF, I am really used to it, and I am very used to it. I have been on this account for 40 days, which is 960 hours. I do admit the forum is looking very old and in my opinion not the prettiest. I would definitely have to get used to it, but I would rather spend a couple hours getting uesd to it then having to still use the current version.

We should also think about the security (in the first place)... the 'design' is a secondary thing. I also like SMF but (why not) I will continue to use the forum (with the new *software) but they should improve the security and use a secure inter. service provider , or host the forum on an 'home-made' strong build server.
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May 26, 2015, 05:50:59 PM
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I don't really see this excitement among members.
Unfortunately, those coins could have been spent in a better way i think.

Disclaimer: i really like SMF. I don't want to change this.

Note:only thing i'd change is, the hashing of secret answers, maybe a bit more won't be bad for the security.
I lie SMF, I am really used to it, and I am very used to it. I have been on this account for 40 days, which is 960 hours. I do admit the forum is looking very old and in my opinion not the prettiest. I would definitely have to get used to it, but I would rather spend a couple hours getting uesd to it then having to still use the current version.

We should also think about the security (in the first place)... the 'design' is a secondary thing. I also like SMF but (why not) I will continue to use the forum (with the new *software) but they should improve the security and use a secure inter. service provider , or host the forum on an 'home-made' strong build server.
Security is definitely a top priority with the forum. Probably ahead of the design for me as well. Since this forum is about bitcoin, and if any accounts related to bitcoin are compromised, money could be stolen, and due to the irreversible nature of bitcoin, any stolen money is completely gone with no chance of recovery.

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May 26, 2015, 10:31:43 PM
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I don't really see this excitement among members.
Unfortunately, those coins could have been spent in a better way i think.

Disclaimer: i really like SMF. I don't want to change this.

Note:only thing i'd change is, the hashing of secret answers, maybe a bit more won't be bad for the security.
I lie SMF, I am really used to it, and I am very used to it. I have been on this account for 40 days, which is 960 hours. I do admit the forum is looking very old and in my opinion not the prettiest. I would definitely have to get used to it, but I would rather spend a couple hours getting uesd to it then having to still use the current version.

We should also think about the security (in the first place)... the 'design' is a secondary thing. I also like SMF but (why not) I will continue to use the forum (with the new *software) but they should improve the security and use a secure inter. service provider , or host the forum on an 'home-made' strong build server.
Security is definitely a top priority with the forum. Probably ahead of the design for me as well. Since this forum is about bitcoin, and if any accounts related to bitcoin are compromised, money could be stolen, and due to the irreversible nature of bitcoin, any stolen money is completely gone with no chance of recovery.
I would third that.  In fact, I would much rather prefer this forum goes through a big security upgrade (hello, we need 2FA???) instead of upgrading the design and features.  With the new forum, the security might even be worse...
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May 27, 2015, 12:11:46 AM
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I don't really see this excitement among members.
Unfortunately, those coins could have been spent in a better way i think.

Disclaimer: i really like SMF. I don't want to change this.

Note:only thing i'd change is, the hashing of secret answers, maybe a bit more won't be bad for the security.
I lie SMF, I am really used to it, and I am very used to it. I have been on this account for 40 days, which is 960 hours. I do admit the forum is looking very old and in my opinion not the prettiest. I would definitely have to get used to it, but I would rather spend a couple hours getting uesd to it then having to still use the current version.

We should also think about the security (in the first place)... the 'design' is a secondary thing. I also like SMF but (why not) I will continue to use the forum (with the new *software) but they should improve the security and use a secure inter. service provider , or host the forum on an 'home-made' strong build server.
Security is definitely a top priority with the forum. Probably ahead of the design for me as well. Since this forum is about bitcoin, and if any accounts related to bitcoin are compromised, money could be stolen, and due to the irreversible nature of bitcoin, any stolen money is completely gone with no chance of recovery.
I would third that.  In fact, I would much rather prefer this forum goes through a big security upgrade (hello, we need 2FA???) instead of upgrading the design and features.  With the new forum, the security might even be worse...
Security is first priority, features are second priority, and design is third. Security has to be top notch, because we transfer money here and we do high value irreversible transactions. 2FA should definitely be here by now, its a bit late for that.

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May 27, 2015, 05:36:14 PM
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I don't really see this excitement among members.
Unfortunately, those coins could have been spent in a better way i think.

Disclaimer: i really like SMF. I don't want to change this.

Note:only thing i'd change is, the hashing of secret answers, maybe a bit more won't be bad for the security.
I lie SMF, I am really used to it, and I am very used to it. I have been on this account for 40 days, which is 960 hours. I do admit the forum is looking very old and in my opinion not the prettiest. I would definitely have to get used to it, but I would rather spend a couple hours getting uesd to it then having to still use the current version.

We should also think about the security (in the first place)... the 'design' is a secondary thing. I also like SMF but (why not) I will continue to use the forum (with the new *software) but they should improve the security and use a secure inter. service provider , or host the forum on an 'home-made' strong build server.
Security is definitely a top priority with the forum. Probably ahead of the design for me as well. Since this forum is about bitcoin, and if any accounts related to bitcoin are compromised, money could be stolen, and due to the irreversible nature of bitcoin, any stolen money is completely gone with no chance of recovery.
I would third that.  In fact, I would much rather prefer this forum goes through a big security upgrade (hello, we need 2FA???) instead of upgrading the design and features.  With the new forum, the security might even be worse...

This, a 2FA will improve the forum 100 times... I do not know why they don't integrate it. I think the admin should add it absolutely in the new forum software (epochtalk).



Security is first priority, features are second priority, and design is third. Security has to be top notch, because we transfer money here and we do high value irreversible transactions. 2FA should definitely be here by now, its a bit late for that.

Security is the unique importan thing in my opinion, if there is a good security the design is really easy to do...
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May 27, 2015, 07:49:09 PM
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I don't really see this excitement among members.
Unfortunately, those coins could have been spent in a better way i think.

Disclaimer: i really like SMF. I don't want to change this.

Note:only thing i'd change is, the hashing of secret answers, maybe a bit more won't be bad for the security.
I lie SMF, I am really used to it, and I am very used to it. I have been on this account for 40 days, which is 960 hours. I do admit the forum is looking very old and in my opinion not the prettiest. I would definitely have to get used to it, but I would rather spend a couple hours getting uesd to it then having to still use the current version.

I know it's old, but l like using this forum software more than the more up to date cryptocointalk software. This software is easier on the eyes and I like the layout better.
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May 28, 2015, 02:19:50 AM
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I don't really see this excitement among members.
Unfortunately, those coins could have been spent in a better way i think.

Disclaimer: i really like SMF. I don't want to change this.

Note:only thing i'd change is, the hashing of secret answers, maybe a bit more won't be bad for the security.
I lie SMF, I am really used to it, and I am very used to it. I have been on this account for 40 days, which is 960 hours. I do admit the forum is looking very old and in my opinion not the prettiest. I would definitely have to get used to it, but I would rather spend a couple hours getting uesd to it then having to still use the current version.

I know it's old, but l like using this forum software more than the more up to date cryptocointalk software. This software is easier on the eyes and I like the layout better.
I am sure the new forum will have custom themes or layouts. I would be very surprised to find that it doesn't considering how much this is costing.  Roll Eyes

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May 28, 2015, 02:31:03 AM
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Pure bullshit. No way some 20 YO dude, who owes nothing to nobody here spent all that money on the forum.
What he did was funnel the money from his left pocket to his right. Cheesy
Lets not be stupid here. 1.5M for a forum is absurd and extremely unlikely, dare I say, impossible. Unless of course you're a fool and got taken for that money by a con-man forum building company! Cheesy Smiley Cheesy

Anyway...

The new forum cost a few k, maybe 10-100k and even at that it better be gold plated and come with blowjobs like an earlier poster mentioned.

For real though, get real.. most of that money ended up in the pocket of one young rich dude who was in the right place at the right time.

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May 28, 2015, 03:07:12 AM
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Pure bullshit. No way some 20 YO dude, who owes nothing to nobody here spent all that money on the forum.
What he did was funnel the money from his left pocket to his right. Cheesy
Lets not be stupid here. 1.5M for a forum is absurd and extremely unlikely, dare I say, impossible. Unless of course you're a fool and got taken for that money by a con-man forum building company! Cheesy Smiley Cheesy

Anyway...

The new forum cost a few k, maybe 10-100k and even at that it better be gold plated and come with blowjobs like an earlier poster mentioned.

For real though, get real.. most of that money ended up in the pocket of one young rich dude who was in the right place at the right time.



While 1.5M seems like quite a bit, when you have a team of 10 people employed for 2 years (or however long it takes) + years of future support, it doesn't seem like very much. Theymos is a pretty bright guy, I have a hard time thinking Slickage tricked him. I fail to see how people who haven't seen the work done behind the scenes can even speculate as to the costs. I don't know if the forum software is going to be worth $1.5M, but how could anyone possibly speculate without seeing a finished product? Bust Theymos' balls and start burning things when and if we see an inferior end product. I will be happy to join you  Smiley

Something that people fail to realize, is that Theymos wouldn't have to funnel forum funds. With the exception of donator funds which were explicitly said to be going towards new forum software, Theymos could probably legally just take Bitcointalk's funds if he wanted them. Why sneak around and slowly steal forum funds when you could just do it all at once without any repercussions?

Regarding the UI discussion, UI work hasn't started yet. If you see any nasty looking screenshots of epochtalk, thats because its just placeholders at this point. There are UI guys who will be working with everyone to design aesthetically pleasing theme(s). The backend work is very complicated, vast improvements are being added, and some pivotal features that aren't available in any current forum software.

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