Signature changes

[tspacepilot]

disabling or filtering sig ads can reduce post spammers yes, but it will decrease helpful post too even a little.. but for me, maybe the option to filter sig ads can only be enabled and disable based on the forum rank of the user.. the higher the rank the more option/s they will have

What is the need for 'rank' in disabling/enabling/filtering? Forum is allowing everyone to enable/disable signatures, avatars and ads and also to ignore. So this is option should also be available for everyone regardless of the rank.

I agree with MZ here.  I don't understand the motivation in restricting these options based on rank.  I think one of the main points of rank is to keep very new users from abusing the forum.  The idea is that the longer you've been around without getting into trouble, the less time you should have to wait between posting, more space you can have in your signature, etc.  I'm just not understanding why newbies shouldn't be able to ignore things they don't want to see.

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[redsn0w]

disabling or filtering sig ads can reduce post spammers yes, but it will decrease helpful post too even a little.. but for me, maybe the option to filter sig ads can only be enabled and disable based on the forum rank of the user.. the higher the rank the more option/s they will have

What is the need for 'rank' in disabling/enabling/filtering? Forum is allowing everyone to enable/disable signatures, avatars and ads and also to ignore. So this is option should also be available for everyone regardless of the rank.

It depends of which is (will be) the forum policy, if they want to allow a decentralized ad "system" or limit the possibility of what someone can put in their signature. I think this forum is so full of freedom, and I hope they will not "ban" at all the signature campaign. However the feature (if it will be implemented) should be granted to all the forum ranks and not only to the high ranker ( for example full, senior, etc..).

I know they will do the right thing, for fight & stop the spammers (who make insubstantial posts).

[Decksperiment]

disabling or filtering sig ads can reduce post spammers yes, but it will decrease helpful post too even a little.. but for me, maybe the option to filter sig ads can only be enabled and disable based on the forum rank of the user.. the higher the rank the more option/s they will have

What is the need for 'rank' in disabling/enabling/filtering? Forum is allowing everyone to enable/disable signatures, avatars and ads and also to ignore. So this is option should also be available for everyone regardless of the rank.

Well said..

[funtotry]

disabling or filtering sig ads can reduce post spammers yes, but it will decrease helpful post too even a little.. but for me, maybe the option to filter sig ads can only be enabled and disable based on the forum rank of the user.. the higher the rank the more option/s they will have

What is the need for 'rank' in disabling/enabling/filtering? Forum is allowing everyone to enable/disable signatures, avatars and ads and also to ignore. So this is option should also be available for everyone regardless of the rank.

This would kill advertising for companys who use signatures, as it is indeed a very good way of advertising and its been proven to help (primedice the most popular casino probably due to signature campaigns).
Newbies should not be able to disable, and probably even fulls, but maybe seniors or heros should be able to disable this. ADs on the site should definitely since we already have the option right now.

[Muhammed Zakir]

This would kill advertising for companys who use signatures, as it is indeed a very good way of advertising and its been proven to help (primedice the most popular casino probably due to signature campaigns).

How? This option is individual basis ignore but the current feature to ignore signature causes severe damage to advertising than user basis. I still don't understand "how?"!

Newbies should not be able to disable, and probably even fulls, but maybe seniors or heros should be able to disable this.

Disagree.

ADs on the site should definitely since we already have the option right now.

You want forum to risk advertisements of other people but not to risk the same thing on users' signature?! I don't agree with this.

[redsn0w]

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Newbies should not be able to disable, and probably even fulls, but maybe seniors or heros should be able to disable this. ADs on the site should definitely since we already have the option right now.

You want to compare a newbie account with an higher forum ranks, everyone must have the right to/or not disable some signature and seen other signature. Where is the freedom of choice? The problem here is the "users" that "make" a lot of insubstantial posts and the definitive solution is not only to "disable" some signature (they will continue probable to "make insubstantial posts"). I haven't a final solution but this is my personal opinion.

[Madness]

and how that would work exactly ? It basically block Signature of a specific compaign (looking at the BBCode) ? or each user have the right to block specific signature for specific user (and not all users who have that signature).
Because if it's blocking the BBCode that a user put... it can be avoided ? some signatures will simply contact users with the BBCode instead of posting on their thread , nah ? Not sure if I got that right tho


~ Madness

[Muhammed Zakir]

and how that would work exactly ?

Read one or two more times. You will understand.

It basically block Signature of a specific compaign (looking at the BBCode) ?

It is somewhat like that but you are blocking signatures which contain text, for example, for me, I don't want to see any betting/gambling sites. So I will input bet, gambl. This will purge all signatures whicb contain bet and/or gambl. Here I use gambl instead of 'gamble' to block signatures which contain gambling. I don't know if this engine(if it is implemented) can look different tenses of a verb.

or each user have the right to block specific signature for specific user (and not all users who have that signature).

This is another addition to the above feature I explained. This works exactly like current 'ignore' feature.

Because if it's blocking the BBCode that a user put... it can be avoided ?

I didn't get you exactly but from what I got: It doesn't block BBCode instead we can hide it.

some signatures will simply contact users with the BBCode instead of posting on their thread , nah ? Not sure if I got that right tho

~ Madness

Can you explain this too? Thank you!

[Madness]

Lol Well Muhammed I didn't understand all your explanation , So basically I have to ask this :

Users will be able to block a signature compaign ? or a User signature ? Because those are two different things . If you block "bit-x" you won't see Ads of Bit-x at all , but if you block signature of a User , well .. you won't see signature only of that user .

If it's the first case (blocking the whole signature compaign) It's going to be probably blocking the BBCode on signatures
Let's say I have in my profile something that ask me to type the BBCode on my signature so Block them :

Code:

[center][url=https://bit-x.com/][size=21pt][glow=#fbb326,2,300][i][b]      [color=#095aad]BIT-X[color=#7c2604][size=15pt].com[/size]      [/color][/b][/i][/glow][size=21pt][glow=#095aad,1][font=Arial][size=14pt]   [color=white][i][b]►► New Real-time Cryptocurrency Exchange ◄◄   [/b][/i][/size][/glow][/url][size=21pt][glow=#fbb326,1] [b][size=15pt]  [url=https://bit-x.com/registration/index][color=#7c2604]CREATE ACCOUNT→   [/color] [/size][/b][/glow][/size][/center]
[size=7pt][b]  

Well the only way user get this BBCode is by checking the thread of the signature compaign , right ?
So ... signature compaign owners can make a BOT that contact users with the BBCode once they register on the signature compaign instead of posting it on the thread . (Means people who advertise only will get the BBCode and that guarante that the others won't block ads)
not sure if you got me right , but that's what I meant , I could be wrong because not sure how the system is going to work .

~ Madness

[Muhammed Zakir]

Lol Well Muhammed I didn't understand all your explanation , So basically I have to ask this :

I think I got you. I will try to explain in a better way or I ain't good at explaining.

Users will be able to block a signature compaign ? or a User signature ? Because those are two different things . If you block "bit-x" you won't see Ads of Bit-x at all , but if you block signature of a User , well .. you won't see signature only of that user .

Yes. If you input 'bit-x' to hiding feature, you won't see any signature which contain 'bit-x'.

If it's the first case (blocking the whole signature compaign) It's going to be probably blocking the BBCode on signatures
Let's say I have in my profile something that ask me to type the BBCode on my signature so Block them :

Code:

[center][url=https://bit-x.com/][size=21pt][glow=#fbb326,2,300][i][b]      [color=#095aad]BIT-X[color=#7c2604][size=15pt].com[/size]      [/color][/b][/i][/glow][size=21pt][glow=#095aad,1][font=Arial][size=14pt]   [color=white][i][b]►► New Real-time Cryptocurrency Exchange ◄◄   [/b][/i][/size][/glow][/url][size=21pt][glow=#fbb326,1] [b][size=15pt]  [url=https://bit-x.com/registration/index][color=#7c2604]CREATE ACCOUNT→   [/color] [/size][/b][/glow][/size][/center]
[size=7pt][b]  

Well the only way user get this BBCode is by checking the thread of the signature compaign , right ?

Here is the part you missed. Firstly, we use words not whole code. Secondly, AFAIK we can fetch signature code using a bot.

So ... signature compaign owners can make a BOT that contact users with the BBCode once they register on the signature compaign instead of posting it on the thread . (Means people who advertise only will get the BBCode and that guarante that the others won't block ads)
not sure if you got me right , but that's what I meant , I could be wrong because not sure how the system is going to work .

~ Madness

I hope you understand now.

[Madness]

Lol Well Muhammed I didn't understand all your explanation , So basically I have to ask this :

I think I got you. I will try to explain in a better way or I ain't good at explaining.

Users will be able to block a signature compaign ? or a User signature ? Because those are two different things . If you block "bit-x" you won't see Ads of Bit-x at all , but if you block signature of a User , well .. you won't see signature only of that user .

Yes. If you input 'bit-x' to hiding feature, you won't see any signature which contain 'bit-x'.

If it's the first case (blocking the whole signature compaign) It's going to be probably blocking the BBCode on signatures
Let's say I have in my profile something that ask me to type the BBCode on my signature so Block them :

Code:

[center][url=https://bit-x.com/][size=21pt][glow=#fbb326,2,300][i][b]      [color=#095aad]BIT-X[color=#7c2604][size=15pt].com[/size]      [/color][/b][/i][/glow][size=21pt][glow=#095aad,1][font=Arial][size=14pt]   [color=white][i][b]►► New Real-time Cryptocurrency Exchange ◄◄   [/b][/i][/size][/glow][/url][size=21pt][glow=#fbb326,1] [b][size=15pt]  [url=https://bit-x.com/registration/index][color=#7c2604]CREATE ACCOUNT→   [/color] [/size][/b][/glow][/size][/center]
[size=7pt][b]  

Well the only way user get this BBCode is by checking the thread of the signature compaign , right ?

Here is the part you missed. Firstly, we use words not whole code. Secondly, AFAIK we can fetch signature code using a bot.

So ... signature compaign owners can make a BOT that contact users with the BBCode once they register on the signature compaign instead of posting it on the thread . (Means people who advertise only will get the BBCode and that guarante that the others won't block ads)
not sure if you got me right , but that's what I meant , I could be wrong because not sure how the system is going to work .

~ Madness

I hope you understand now.

Oh I understand now ,so basically if it contains that word or something simillar to it .
Let's say I put "block" , It will block any any signature that contains "blockchain" "blocktrail" "blockexplorer" etc ... I guess I got it
thanks for the clarification (this was better then the first explanation )

~ Madness

[tspacepilot]

Lol Well Muhammed I didn't understand all your explanation , So basically I have to ask this :

I think I got you. I will try to explain in a better way or I ain't good at explaining.

Users will be able to block a signature compaign ? or a User signature ? Because those are two different things . If you block "bit-x" you won't see Ads of Bit-x at all , but if you block signature of a User , well .. you won't see signature only of that user .

Yes. If you input 'bit-x' to hiding feature, you won't see any signature which contain 'bit-x'.

If it's the first case (blocking the whole signature compaign) It's going to be probably blocking the BBCode on signatures
Let's say I have in my profile something that ask me to type the BBCode on my signature so Block them :

Code:

[center][url=https://bit-x.com/][size=21pt][glow=#fbb326,2,300][i][b]      [color=#095aad]BIT-X[color=#7c2604][size=15pt].com[/size]      [/color][/b][/i][/glow][size=21pt][glow=#095aad,1][font=Arial][size=14pt]   [color=white][i][b]►► New Real-time Cryptocurrency Exchange ◄◄   [/b][/i][/size][/glow][/url][size=21pt][glow=#fbb326,1] [b][size=15pt]  [url=https://bit-x.com/registration/index][color=#7c2604]CREATE ACCOUNT→   [/color] [/size][/b][/glow][/size][/center]
[size=7pt][b]  

Well the only way user get this BBCode is by checking the thread of the signature compaign , right ?

Here is the part you missed. Firstly, we use words not whole code. Secondly, AFAIK we can fetch signature code using a bot.

So ... signature compaign owners can make a BOT that contact users with the BBCode once they register on the signature compaign instead of posting it on the thread . (Means people who advertise only will get the BBCode and that guarante that the others won't block ads)
not sure if you got me right , but that's what I meant , I could be wrong because not sure how the system is going to work .

~ Madness

I hope you understand now.

Oh I understand now ,so basically if it contains that word or something simillar to it .
Let's say I put "block" , It will block any any signature that contains "blockchain" "blocktrail" "blockexplorer" etc ... I guess I got it
thanks for the clarification (this was better then the first explanation )

~ Madness

If I understand this correctly, the best thing would be to match not just a small subpart of the signature for blocking, but to go ahead and match against the entire string of code  (or, as long a string of text as you can find in the case that it's not possible to get the actual code) in the signature you want to block just so that you avoid the false positives you are talking about.  I'm sure the devs realize this.

However, again, I would expect that if this is a tool that's implemented server-side then surely there's no problem to get the actual bbcode markup for any given signature.

[crazyearner]

Posted this elsewhere, figured I should post it here.


I'm pushing for a way to easily disable signature advertising on a per user basis, it would be a setting in your profile you could set yourself. Either filter them by keywords or regex, disable special characters and formatting to make signatures less obnoxious, or something similar.

If one can disable forum ads, one should be able to disable sig ads as well. Since signature ads are so much more prolific it only makes sense. Shouldn't have to disable signatures entirely just because because of ads, users should have the choice. Signature advertising would still be possible, just less effective, and would cut down on the spam without so many users needing to be moderated/banned.

It would also mean sig campaigns would need to be much more responsible. If your campaign has lots of spammers in it that you are not controlling, then people are going to block your ads. If your ad is obnoxious, people will block it.

I already have a mod on drupal and also on SMF that does this already or in some way does it like it in a way that your speaking of. Weather it is user specific that admin can change on user basics or not or if it is a global setting I would need to look into it more as it is something I have only started to play around with within advanced mods and tools added within drupel site and smf that can set options within it to limit what is and what is not allowed to be in a signature space also change the way it reacts as in signature space is classed as advertisement position and can be enabled or disabled and then when you have adblocker on it will block it out as it classes it as a banner ad or section.

[coinpr0n]

Maybe I'm too late for a suggestion. I see what you want to do with keywords, regex, etc. I don't know if this is already a priority for the new software. But the way I see it may be overly complicated. As the forum is right now we are already used to seeing signature ads all the time. Campaign managers want their ads to be seen. Perhaps they should be On by default on every pageload but add a link/button somewhere at the top of the thread to collapse and toggle all the signatures on that page. The code would be much easier and solves much of problem (though maybe not all of it). Allows for the clean only-posts view if you want that but defaults to always showing everything as it is right now.

[tspacepilot]

Maybe I'm too late for a suggestion. I see what you want to do with keywords, regex, etc. I don't know if this is already a priority for the new software. But the way I see it may be overly complicated. As the forum is right now we are already used to seeing signature ads all the time. Campaign managers want their ads to be seen. Perhaps they should be On by default on every pageload but add a link/button somewhere at the top of the thread to collapse and toggle all the signatures on that page. The code would be much easier and solves much of problem (though maybe not all of it). Allows for the clean only-posts view if you want that but defaults to always showing everything as it is right now.

This does sound reasonable to me (and easy enough to implement with a little javascript).  However, it's hard to say what will happen.  The forum runners here have allowed this advertising but it has certainly become a divisive topic, from what I can tell.  In the end, we'll just have to see what Theymos and crew decide to do.  It may be, in the end, that they do nothing and things are allowed to continue more or less as they are (which doesn't seem terrible to me).

[HostFat]

I'm not sure if this was already suggested.

I would like as a mod to have a button to disable the signature of the X user in my Y section.

So, I'll be able to disable the signature of the users that I think that they are writing useless text just for their paid-sig.

Their signature will still be visible on the other sections, where the other mods will make their decisions.

[Quickseller]

I'm not sure if this was already suggested.

I would like as a mod to have a button to disable the signature of the X user in my Y section.

So, I'll be able to disable the signature of the users that I think that they are writing useless text just for their paid-sig.

Their signature will still be visible on the other sections, where the other mods will make their decisions.

I would personally rather see this on a global basis; eg. moderators would be able to disable signatures (possibly on a time basis) for users throughout the forum.

This would give people incentives to not make low quality posts throughout the forum, verses simply avoiding specific sections of the forum when their signature is disabled by a mod of that section.

[HostFat]

Maybe both things can be good, mods will be able to disable signature on their local sections, global-mods instead should be able to disable the signature everywhere.

[shorena]

Maybe both things can be good, mods will be able to disable signature on their local sections, global-mods instead should be able to disable the signature everywhere.

You brought the section specific rules for a signature up several times now (I think). It made me wonder if it wouldnt be possible to have different signatures for posts in different sections as well. Let users define a global signature that is valid unless a "local" (as in for a specific board or subsection) setting overrules it. This would allow e.g. those active in local language sections to use a translated signature. It would also allow for more complex signature campaigns which may or may not be desirable.