CanaryInTheMine is further abusing the trust system [Fixed]

[Tomatocage]

Thank you. I totally missed that link

Edit: It just comes up as a blank white page for me.

Your high depth causes the page to time out. You'll have to temporarily reduce that.

Understood. Thanks for the explanation

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I'm being really stupid I know, but can someone tell me where CITM is, because I can't find him  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;full

Trust depth 1
DefaultTrust
    theymos
    HostFat
    dooglus
    Maged
    dserrano5
    OgNasty
    Tomatocage
    SaltySpitoon
    DeaDTerra
    BadBear
    philipma1957
    escrow.ms
    OldScammerTag

I plan to expand default trust list with members having some responsibilities (i.e. identify abuses or scams etc...)

Sounds er interesting. Sort of parallel organization to forum staff, or what?

[dogie]

I'm being really stupid I know, but can someone tell me where CITM is, because I can't find him  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;full

That's where he was, he's now been removed. I'll lock this thread in a few days or when it stops being useful. Any follow on issues can have their own thread.

[pak13]

Dogie is being more than disingenuous here given there are plenty of people in these forums that would agree he is not to be trusted given his posts about certain companies.

Do your own RESEARCH on Dogie's record. There is ample evidence. I am guessing you have not done much reading in the hardware threads.

You seem to be Trolling here. I am done responding to your questions until you read to some depth into Dogie otherwise there is no much point in having a discussion. Do your homework. I have read plenty of the complaints against Dogie and CITM. If I were to put trust in either it be hands down CITM based on my own research. Do your own research and catch up with the reality of the situation.

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It's evident people like Dogie are abusing the system. Perhaps the only way to have people realize this is to show our distrust with Dogie whenever possible using the Trust meter. There is something seriously wrong with either the forums, where one individual can defame people without proof.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=87869

Laws in the U.K can prevent this. Make your complaints accordingly. 

[rikkie]

Dogie is being more than disingenuous here given there are plenty of people in these forums that would agree he is not to be trusted given his posts about certain companies.

Do your own RESEARCH on Dogie's record. There is ample evidence. I am guessing you have not done much reading in the hardware threads.

You seem to be Trolling here. I am done responding to your questions until you read to some depth into Dogie otherwise there is no much point in having a discussion. Do your homework. I have read plenty of the complaints against Dogie and CITM. If I were to put trust in either it be hands down CITM based on my own research. Do your own research and catch up with the reality of the situation.

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It's evident people like Dogie are abusing the system.

Well considering the fact that Dogie is not in the default trust network, any trust that he gives is not going to hold very much weight, so he has very little incentive to "abuse" the trust system and even if your empty accusations were true, him abusing the trust system would have zero effect on anyone.

Perhaps the only way to have people realize this is to show our distrust with Dogie whenever possible using the Trust meter.

This would not be a very good way to tell if someone is abusing the trust system. I think a much better way would be to present actual proof of such abuse.

There is something seriously wrong with either the forums, where one individual can defame people without proof.

Who the fuck are you to say something like this? Do you seriously think that someone should not have the ability to freely express their opinion?

Laws in the U.K can prevent this. Make your complaints accordingly. 

I am not familiar with UK law, however I am fairly certain they believe in free speech

I am not sure who exactly all these shills are that are constantly attacking doggie for unknown reasons, however I suspect it is someone associated with a mining manufacturer (maybe AMHASH - speculation) who does not like the influence that doggie has in the mining section and the small level of accountability that he holds mining manufacturers to

[rikkie]

Also, not that it matters now that CanaryInTheMine has been removed from both level 1 and level 2 default trust (he is 100% out of the default trust network), but it appears that I also have been excluded from his trust list.

It also just so happens that I recently gave FC a negative trust rating saying that he is a scammer (which he is). I wonder if this is somehow related - I don't doubt that it is considering that I have never done any business with him not communicated with him in any way

[redsn0w]

Also, not that it matters now that CanaryInTheMine has been removed from both level 1 and level 2 default trust (he is 100% out of the default trust network), but it appears that I also have been excluded from his trust list.

It also just so happens that I recently gave FC a negative trust rating saying that he is a scammer (which he is). I wonder if this is somehow related - I don't doubt that it is considering that I have never done any business with him not communicated with him in any way

I also have been removed (because I was in the trust list of CanaryInTheMine) but it doesn't matter. I have left a negative feedback to a lot of suspicious users (revealed scammers). I don't know what is happened with FC, maybe can someone (through PM) explain me what is happen? Thanks.

[dogie]

Laws in the U.K can prevent this. Make your complaints accordingly. 

That's a bit rich when you and your cronies keep accusing me of VAT fraud, which you very well know is false.

If you truly believe in what you're saying, you wouldn't be afraid to prove it in court, right? So then you'd be happy to provide me with a contact address, right?

[freedomno1]

Also, not that it matters now that CanaryInTheMine has been removed from both level 1 and level 2 default trust (he is 100% out of the default trust network), but it appears that I also have been excluded from his trust list.

It also just so happens that I recently gave FC a negative trust rating saying that he is a scammer (which he is). I wonder if this is somehow related - I don't doubt that it is considering that I have never done any business with him not communicated with him in any way

I also have been removed (because I was in the trust list of CanaryInTheMine) but it doesn't matter. I have left a negative feedback to a lot of suspicious users (revealed scammers). I don't know what is happened with FC, maybe can someone (through PM) explain me what is happen? Thanks.

PM sent
That should help you out a bit with understanding the AM situation.
If you want more details though just PM me back

[dogie]

Also, not that it matters now that CanaryInTheMine has been removed from both level 1 and level 2 default trust (he is 100% out of the default trust network), but it appears that I also have been excluded from his trust list.

It also just so happens that I recently gave FC a negative trust rating saying that he is a scammer (which he is). I wonder if this is somehow related - I don't doubt that it is considering that I have never done any business with him not communicated with him in any way

I also have been removed (because I was in the trust list of CanaryInTheMine) but it doesn't matter. I have left a negative feedback to a lot of suspicious users (revealed scammers). I don't know what is happened with FC, maybe can someone (through PM) explain me what is happen? Thanks.

It'll get fixed soon, someone else will pick you up. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=383349 should be a neutral by the way.

[redsn0w]

Also, not that it matters now that CanaryInTheMine has been removed from both level 1 and level 2 default trust (he is 100% out of the default trust network), but it appears that I also have been excluded from his trust list.

It also just so happens that I recently gave FC a negative trust rating saying that he is a scammer (which he is). I wonder if this is somehow related - I don't doubt that it is considering that I have never done any business with him not communicated with him in any way

I also have been removed (because I was in the trust list of CanaryInTheMine) but it doesn't matter. I have left a negative feedback to a lot of suspicious users (revealed scammers). I don't know what is happened with FC, maybe can someone (through PM) explain me what is happen? Thanks.

PM sent
That should help you out a bit with understanding the AM situation.
If you want more details though just PM me back

Thanks for the PM, I will read all the info. and I'll check also the facebook page.

Also, not that it matters now that CanaryInTheMine has been removed from both level 1 and level 2 default trust (he is 100% out of the default trust network), but it appears that I also have been excluded from his trust list.

It also just so happens that I recently gave FC a negative trust rating saying that he is a scammer (which he is). I wonder if this is somehow related - I don't doubt that it is considering that I have never done any business with him not communicated with him in any way

I also have been removed (because I was in the trust list of CanaryInTheMine) but it doesn't matter. I have left a negative feedback to a lot of suspicious users (revealed scammers). I don't know what is happened with FC, maybe can someone (through PM) explain me what is happen? Thanks.

It'll get fixed soon, someone else will pick you up. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=383349 should be a neutral by the way.

I hope, however trust to that account changed (thanks for the heads-up).

[MrTeal]

Also, not that it matters now that CanaryInTheMine has been removed from both level 1 and level 2 default trust (he is 100% out of the default trust network), but it appears that I also have been excluded from his trust list.

It also just so happens that I recently gave FC a negative trust rating saying that he is a scammer (which he is). I wonder if this is somehow related - I don't doubt that it is considering that I have never done any business with him not communicated with him in any way

I also have been removed (because I was in the trust list of CanaryInTheMine) but it doesn't matter. I have left a negative feedback to a lot of suspicious users (revealed scammers). I don't know what is happened with FC, maybe can someone (through PM) explain me what is happen? Thanks.

A similar thing happened to me (I was on Canary's list), but from what I can tell all the people I left negative trust for are still showing up in red anyway so it's not a big deal.

[hilariousandco]

A similar thing happened to me (I was on Canary's list), but from what I can tell all the people I left negative trust for are still showing up in red anyway so it's not a big deal.

They will to you and anyone that trusts you.

[MrTeal]

A similar thing happened to me (I was on Canary's list), but from what I can tell all the people I left negative trust for are still showing up in red anyway so it's not a big deal.

They will to you and anyone that trusts you.

I think they should for anyone who has default trust, but I could be mistaken; I don't have another account to check. Most of them have been neg'd by other people still in default trust like Vod, Tomatocage, Quickseller, etc.

[tidus1097]

I really hope that when the new forum is released there are alot of changes to the trust system that's currently in place. I've read bits and pieces of this thread about Canaryinthemine but not enough to make a judgement on the party. Whether the trust system is updated or not makes no difference on who people should trust. They should use their best judgement and look into others judgement of others by checking their previously posted trust on "x" users. I do frown upon people abusing the trust system. Why would someone abuse something that's meant for good if they themselves are trustworthy? I'm not going to breakdown trustworthy into subexceptions. That would seem pointless now wouldn't it.

[EcuaMobi]

A similar thing happened to me (I was on Canary's list), but from what I can tell all the people I left negative trust for are still showing up in red anyway so it's not a big deal.

They will to you and anyone that trusts you.

I think they should for anyone who has default trust, but I could be mistaken; I don't have another account to check. Most of them have been neg'd by other people still in default trust like Vod, Tomatocage, Quickseller, etc.

You're no longer in the default trust so no, they won't appear read. I don't see as red the accounts only you left negative trust on.

[cathoderay]

What's this?

A thread by poop-dawg complaining about trust abuse while he himself is not only doing the same thing, but also asking other forum members to leave fake ratings for him?

What a hypocritical poop-dawg 

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=905210.msg10813796#msg10813796

[MrTeal]

A similar thing happened to me (I was on Canary's list), but from what I can tell all the people I left negative trust for are still showing up in red anyway so it's not a big deal.

They will to you and anyone that trusts you.

I think they should for anyone who has default trust, but I could be mistaken; I don't have another account to check. Most of them have been neg'd by other people still in default trust like Vod, Tomatocage, Quickseller, etc.

You're no longer in the default trust so no, they won't appear read. I don't see as red the accounts only you left negative trust on.

Interesting, I see trusted feedback other than mine on pretty much all those, though it may be that the trusted feedback is depth 3 instead of depth 2 so it doesn't make the color change. I might have to make another account just to play with it.

[dogie]

They will to you and anyone that trusts you.

I think they should for anyone who has default trust, but I could be mistaken; I don't have another account to check. Most of them have been neg'd by other people still in default trust like Vod, Tomatocage, Quickseller, etc.

Negged the only one which appeared to be revealed.

[Blazed]

I wonder how many people lost depth 2 trust when Canary was removed? I personally trust Canary, but I think it was the right move dropping him from the default list. I think with people paying attention to the default network it makes it work much better. It would be pretty hard to abuse default trust these days and not get called out for it. With all the attention and the right people at depth 1 the system seems to be working pretty good imo.