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March 15, 2015, 08:00:20 AM
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This account was marked negative from Tomatocage for no reason. He was solely judging by my name, and he had no proof that I am a scammer.

I only registered with this name because I couldn't find another suitable name. The names I wanted was all taken.

Admins, please help.
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March 15, 2015, 08:05:25 AM
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There's already: AccountSeller, AccountSeller2

Just leaving out a letter in a username has been used several times for malicious purposes here and hence is frowned upon. Be more creative.

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March 15, 2015, 08:06:07 AM
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Trust system isn't moderated. You should contact Tomatocage and tell him to remove it.

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March 15, 2015, 08:06:18 AM
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This account was marked negative from Tomatocage for no reason. He was solely judging by my name, and he had no proof that I am a scammer.

I only registered with this name because I couldn't find another suitable name. The names I wanted was all taken.

Admins, please help.

Um... He probably thought he was Quickseller or ACCTSeller's impersonator lol.

But I'll have to say that it's an unfair and harsh judgement. Hopefully tomatocage can resolve this issue soon.
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March 15, 2015, 08:45:13 AM
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There's already: AccountSeller, AccountSeller2

Just leaving out a letter in a username has been used several times for malicious purposes here and hence is frowned upon. Be more creative.

I was able to find AccountSeller's profile and it doesn't seem to be very active. They registered on July 2014 and made 7 posts - the last of which was posted two weeks ago. It looks like they logged into their account on March 6. I doubt there would be any point in trying to impersonate a newbie account so the Quickseller/ACCTSeller hypothesis seems more likely:

http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=356679

EDIT: Found AccountSeller2 too. Pretty much the same deal as above:

http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=389659

EDIT 2: What hilariousetc says below is correct. You're a newbie member with just one other post so starting afresh with a new account would probably be the best option. Here's another newbie who was in a similar situation and the community recommended that they should register another account:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=880429
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March 15, 2015, 08:47:18 AM
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Just create a new account, one that doesn't look almost like an existing user. You could have isellaccounts or whatever but you can also just have any other name and still sell accounts so it doesn't have to be related.

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March 15, 2015, 04:17:55 PM
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Oh wow you're actually a real account? I thought you were a PM hit & run impostor. I'll go ahead and change your rating, sorry about that Smiley

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March 15, 2015, 04:46:54 PM
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Oh wow you're actually a real account? I thought you were a PM hit & run impostor. I'll go ahead and change your rating, sorry about that Smiley

Congratz, AccountSllr. Please lock the thread as this is resolved. Click 'lock topic' at the bottom-left of the thread to lock this thread.

I wouldn't say it's completely resolved since Quickseller (who also happens to be in the default trust list) has added negative trust as well:



EDIT: Anyway OP, this doesn't really seem to be that much of an issue. If somebody asks why you have negative trust, just refer them to this thread. Or better yet, just create a new account. You're a newbie anyway and it's obvious that your current account isn't your main account since you created it just to sell your main account so it's not like you'll be using it in the future.
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March 15, 2015, 05:42:24 PM
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Oh wow you're actually a real account? I thought you were a PM hit & run impostor. I'll go ahead and change your rating, sorry about that Smiley

Congratz, AccountSllr. Please lock the thread as this is resolved. Click 'lock topic' at the bottom-left of the thread to lock this thread.

I wouldn't say it's completely resolved since Quickseller (who also happens to be in the default trust list) has added negative trust as well:



EDIT: Anyway OP, this doesn't really seem to be that much of an issue. If somebody asks why you have negative trust, just refer them to this thread. Or better yet, just create a new account. You're a newbie anyway and it's obvious that your current account isn't your main account since you created it just to sell your main account so it's not like you'll be using it in the future.

It seems that Muhammed Zakir has deleted his posts (I don't know why) .OP you should not care about this negative trust, if you were registered here for sell/buy account and not be an impersonator. If he will not remove the negative trust, you should just create another account maybe (use another type of username). Tomatocage has do the right thing Wink.
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March 16, 2015, 04:58:43 AM
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Are you kidding me Quickseller? Do you really think that Accountsller looks the same as ACCTseller? Plus I'm a newbie, and he's a senior member. Everyone knows the difference. Same as Tomatocage, you didn't have any evidence and solely judged me by my name.

At least change the rating to neutral if you're still not entirely satisfied.

I just can't believe that I was just trying to sell my account that is not needed and a bunch of people just came and say "You're an imposter of ....". People that were enrolled in the bit-x campaign were just posting insubstantial posts on my sales thread.

I am going to close my account auction thread because of spamming and scrutiny.
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March 16, 2015, 05:32:09 AM
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Are you kidding me Quickseller? Do you really think that Accountsller looks the same as ACCTseller? Plus I'm a newbie, and he's a senior member. Everyone knows the difference. Same as Tomatocage, you didn't have any evidence and solely judged me by my name.

At least change the rating to neutral if you're still not entirely satisfied.

I just can't believe that I was just trying to sell my account that is not needed and a bunch of people just came and say "You're an imposter of ....". People that were enrolled in the bit-x campaign were just posting insubstantial posts on my sales thread.

I am going to close my account auction thread because of spamming and scrutiny.
Since you are a newbie it would be best to use escrow anyway, even without the negative. So if you use escrow then there should be no problems with you having a negative from me (assuming of course your intentions are good).

Judging by your post history your account was created for the purpose of selling whatever account that you have for sale, and will likely be abandoned once you have sold your account. If this is the case then you might as well create a new account that does not resemble another somewhat trusted member's username to sell your account(s), if this is not the case then I will reevaluate my rating sometime in the future.

EDIT: unfortunate the signature spam is an unfortunate reality right now, although BadBear is working hard in fighting it for us

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March 16, 2015, 05:40:27 AM
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Since you are a newbie it would be best to use escrow anyway, even without the negative. So if you use escrow then there should be no problems with you having a negative from me (assuming of course your intentions are good).

lol... if you think what you write is true please tell theymos that we should neg-rate all newbies...

seriously...i know here are much scams. i hate scammers...

but neg rating newbies just because of that name (as stated.. the only possible accounts which could be impersonated are newbies too) is just abusing the trust system.

btw.. your negrating has nothing to do with the fact that he is trying to sell accounts like you do?  Roll Eyes

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March 16, 2015, 06:09:00 AM
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Since you are a newbie it would be best to use escrow anyway, even without the negative. So if you use escrow then there should be no problems with you having a negative from me (assuming of course your intentions are good).

lol... if you think what you write is true please tell theymos that we should neg-rate all newbies...

seriously...i know here are much scams. i hate scammers...

but neg rating newbies just because of that name (as stated.. the only possible accounts which could be impersonated are newbies too) is just abusing the trust system.

btw.. your negrating has nothing to do with the fact that he is trying to sell accounts like you do?  Roll Eyes
My negative trust has to do with the fact that his name is very similar to another account seller who has been around for a while without major incidents (and as a result people would potentially trust enough to send bitcoin first to him).

I think it is fair to say that his username is closely sounding enough to ACCTseller that someone could potentially mistake him for it.

Like I said before if his intentions are to simply sell his account and then leave then he can create another username that does not sound similar to someone somewhat trusted.

There are plenty of account sellers out there and they do not have any negatives from me with the exception of those who have either sold hacked accounts or those who engage in something unethical.

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March 16, 2015, 06:11:57 AM
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My negative trust has to do with the fact that his name is very similar to another account seller who has been around for a while without major incidents (and as a result people would potentially trust enough to send bitcoin first to him).

I think it is fair to say that his username is closely sounding enough to ACCTseller that someone could potentially mistake him for it.

IMHO ACCTseller and AccountSller are very easy too differentiate on first sight.

impersonating an username works if they look similar on first sight. as ACCTseller has uppercases in front (which is unusual - means more people will remember it) they are easy to differentiate.

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March 16, 2015, 06:16:23 AM
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My negative trust has to do with the fact that his name is very similar to another account seller who has been around for a while without major incidents (and as a result people would potentially trust enough to send bitcoin first to him).

I think it is fair to say that his username is closely sounding enough to ACCTseller that someone could potentially mistake him for it.

IMHO ACCTseller and AccountSller are very easy too differentiate on first sight.

impersonating an username works if they look similar on first sight. as ACCTseller has uppercases in front (which is unusual - means more people will remember it) they are easy to differentiate.

We can agree to disagree on this one. As I mentioned previously, if his only intentions are to sell one (or a few) accounts and then leave then there is no reason why he would ever not use escrow for any of his deals, and as long as he offers escrow, my negative will have zero impact on him.

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March 16, 2015, 08:57:15 AM
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IMHO ACCTseller and AccountSller are very easy too differentiate on first sight.

impersonating an username works if they look similar on first sight. as ACCTseller has uppercases in front (which is unusual - means more people will remember it) they are easy to differentiate.


People usually only see one name when doing business with someone and not all names that look somewhat similar. Thus someone might vaguely remember AccountSeller or ACCSElller or ACCTsElleR or something along those lines to be trustworthy. Now someone with a very similar "sounding"/looking name comes along and might be considered trustworthy because they are confused with someone else.

Yes, you should check that when doing deals.
No, not everyone does so.
Yes, its perfectly fine for someone from DefaultTrust to add a warning. It should not stop anyone from doing business with said Account, but will make sure there is no confusion. I have traded with accounts that had a warning attached in the past and never had problems.

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IMHO ACCTseller and AccountSller are very easy too differentiate on first sight.

impersonating an username works if they look similar on first sight. as ACCTseller has uppercases in front (which is unusual - means more people will remember it) they are easy to differentiate.


People usually only see one name when doing business with someone and not all names that look somewhat similar. Thus someone might vaguely remember AccountSeller or ACCSElller or ACCTsElleR or something along those lines to be trustworthy. Now someone with a very similar "sounding"/looking name comes along and might be considered trustworthy because they are confused with someone else.

Yes, you should check that when doing deals.
No, not everyone does so.
Yes, its perfectly fine for someone from DefaultTrust to add a warning. It should not stop anyone from doing business with said Account, but will make sure there is no confusion. I have traded with accounts that had a warning attached in the past and never had problems.

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Numbers and red letters don't mean anything, what matters is the content of the feedback itself. The source it comes from, the reason, and the backing.

"The person is a scammer or i think he will scam"
^ thats the reason when you give neg-trust...

that doesnt sound like a warning to me.

i've added a comment on quicksellers account...THAT is a warning... neg-trust is saying "he will scam"

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March 16, 2015, 12:12:51 PM
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"The person is a scammer or i think he will scam"
^ thats the reason when you give neg-trust...

that doesnt sound like a warning to me.

i've added a comment on quicksellers account...THAT is a warning... neg-trust is saying "he will scam"

"He will scam". Roll Eyes Cheesy

I don't think your feedback says that:

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"The person is a scammer or i think he will scam"
^ thats the reason when you give neg-trust...

that doesnt sound like a warning to me.

i've added a comment on quicksellers account...THAT is a warning... neg-trust is saying "he will scam"

"He will scam". Roll Eyes Cheesy

I don't think your feedback says that:

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onemorexmr 0: -0 / +0(0) - 2015-03-1 - abuses trust system. please check references from people who get neg-rated by him very carefully and decide for yourself.

i think he abuses the trust system, because quickseller states in his neg-trust that op is impersonating another one AND will scam (the second part is implicit by selecting the neg-trust instead of comment)

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March 16, 2015, 12:21:58 PM
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i think he abuses the trust system,

False AFAIK.

because quickseller states in his neg-trust that op is impersonating another one

True.

AND will scam

False. Where is that part?

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(the second part is implicit by selecting the neg-trust instead of comment)

False. Where is negative trust feedback?. Sorry! Misread it. Could you clarify what you said?

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