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February 25, 2014, 11:15:42 AM
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ah so the transfers out from havelock normally occur once a week just before dividends? I guess no need for me to send any more mail in that case...

Yeah, if other direct shareholders receive their dividend payments, but you don't, then follow up on the transfer.

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February 25, 2014, 11:20:07 AM
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What changes once that TAT Investments transfers the control of AM1 to Havelock Investments? Maybe I'm missing something, because everybody is looking for converting them to direct shares and I just didn't though about it  Embarrassed

In the case I want to do it too, what I need to do? just PM friedcat o email him? With any special info?  Huh
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February 25, 2014, 11:27:30 AM
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What changes once that TAT Investments transfers the control of AM1 to Havelock Investments? Maybe I'm losing some info, because everybody is looking for converting them to direct shares and I just didn't though about it  Embarrassed


In the case I want to do it too, what I need to do? just PM friedcat o email him? With any special info?   Huh
Where  do you see 'everybody' converting to direct?
18616 shares on havelock, was about the same last week. And month.

Anyway, directions for converting are on havelock, first page of AM1.
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February 25, 2014, 11:34:29 AM
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Where  do you see 'everybody' converting to direct?
18616 shares on havelock, was about the same last week. And month.

Anyway, direction for converting are on havelock, first page of AM1.

Just looking at the increasing number of posts regarding the change to direct shares over here... Makes me wonder if there is any disadvantage of holding havelock shares now that they are not going to be managed by TAT anymore... (different dividends percentage, or fees, or whatever)
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February 25, 2014, 11:50:46 AM
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Where  do you see 'everybody' converting to direct?
18616 shares on havelock, was about the same last week. And month.

Anyway, direction for converting are on havelock, first page of AM1.

Just looking at the increasing number of posts regarding the change to direct shares over here... Makes me wonder if there is any disadvantage of holding havelock shares now that they are not going to be managed by TAT anymore... (different dividends percentage, or fees, or whatever)

TaT basically says 'everything else stays the same' http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinStocks/comments/1ye2wp/tat_investments_am1am100smg_update/cfjtb8w

I should have gotten into Bitcoin back in 1992...
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February 25, 2014, 05:06:03 PM
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For all the Havelock folks - realize that you run the same risks as the guys who kept BTC at MtGox:
It is not wise to keep shares there (or BTC): Use exchanges to buy or sell, not store.
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February 25, 2014, 05:32:11 PM
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For all the Havelock folks - realize that you run the same risks as the guys who kept BTC at MtGox:
It is not wise to keep shares there (or BTC): Use exchanges to buy or sell, not store.
This is exactly why I was asking. If my regular stock broker goes down, I don't lost my shares. But if Havelock goes down and my shares are not registered anywhere else, I lose control of them?
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February 25, 2014, 05:47:38 PM
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Guys, it's been a rough month for Bitcoin... but, news of an ASICMINER tapeout should be coming soon right? Right? I need some good news!
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February 25, 2014, 05:49:27 PM
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For all the Havelock folks - realize that you run the same risks as the guys who kept BTC at MtGox:
It is not wise to keep shares there (or BTC): Use exchanges to buy or sell, not store.
This is exactly why I was asking. If my regular stock broker goes down, I don't lost my shares. But if Havelock goes down and my shares are not registered anywhere else, I lose control of them?
Issuer of the shares is receiving daily (or even more often) the list of usernames with the number of shares. Ofc, you have to trust the issuer.
We went through the closing of several exchanges, and we still have our shares.
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February 25, 2014, 08:23:38 PM
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What is the best way to contact friedcat about changing the dividend payout adres of my direct shares?

I had it set to my gox account and need to change that now.
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February 25, 2014, 08:28:21 PM
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What is the best way to contact friedcat about changing the dividend payout adres of my direct shares?

I had it set to my gox account and need to change that now.

Send him a PM with your signing address asking to switch the payout location
(Believe that is the proper procedure)

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February 25, 2014, 09:25:05 PM
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What is the best way to contact friedcat about changing the dividend payout adres of my direct shares?

I had it set to my gox account and need to change that now.

Send him a PM with your signing address asking to switch the payout location
(Believe that is the proper procedure)

I am afraid that he's unable to sign message with address from Gox account. Since he doesn't own private key from address. It was very stupid idea at first. I am afraid he just lost his shares, until he's somehow able to get private key from Gox, which is unlikely. Another sad story here.

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February 25, 2014, 09:27:29 PM
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What is the best way to contact friedcat about changing the dividend payout adres of my direct shares?

I had it set to my gox account and need to change that now.

Send him a PM with your signing address asking to switch the payout location
(Believe that is the proper procedure)
either that or send an email to fnnirvana(@)gmail.com (ofc also add a signed message with your wallet address as mentioned by swordsoffreedom)

edit:
I am afraid that he's unable to sign message with address from Gox account. Since he doesn't own private key from address. It was very stupid idea at first. I am afraid he just lost his shares, until he's somehow able to get private key from Gox, which is unlikely. Another sad story here.
oh no, don't tell me the shares were assigned to a gox wallet. (from what i read he just assigned the div payout to a gox address)
well in that case things could get difficult.

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February 25, 2014, 10:50:19 PM
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For all the Havelock folks - realize that you run the same risks as the guys who kept BTC at MtGox:
It is not wise to keep shares there (or BTC): Use exchanges to buy or sell, not store.
There is a small difference in that FC is able to reallocate to true owner. Whether he does or not is a separate thing.
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February 25, 2014, 10:54:48 PM
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For all the Havelock folks - realize that you run the same risks as the guys who kept BTC at MtGox:
It is not wise to keep shares there (or BTC): Use exchanges to buy or sell, not store.
There is a small difference in that FC is able to reallocate to true owner. Whether he does or not is a separate thing.

Not if the shareholder list is private. Unlike bitfunder, havelock could technically go rogue and disappear leaving everyone out of luck.

Is there any way to publicly verify shareholdings with havelock?
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February 25, 2014, 11:02:50 PM
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What is the best way to contact friedcat about changing the dividend payout adres of my direct shares?

I had it set to my gox account and need to change that now.

Asicminer shares are always bound to the same address the dividends flow to. Except friedcat did change something in the last time.

You have a problem now. Didnt you know that you never should add anything of value to a bitcoin address you dont own? Especially when its only a deposit address. Your shares now are bound to the mtgox address... that address is the owner now. And you cant access it because its not your address.

The only chance i see is if your account is bound to an email. If you send friedcat an email from that email address you can ask him to move the shares to another of YOUR addresses. An address in your own wallet. Preferably not a website wallet since websites with wallets go down left and right.

Please ALWAYS contact me through bitcointalk pm before sending someone coins.
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February 25, 2014, 11:47:15 PM
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Dear AM Fund unit holders on Havelock,

We do understand your concern and we take the trust given to us by the shareholders of ASICMINER very seriously.

After March 1st, Havelock Investments will handle the Importing and Exporting of shares in and out of Havelock instead of TAT. Nothing in terms of fees will change.
Instructions on how to import and export your shares will be available on our AM Fund page on Havelock Investments.

In the event that Havelock can no longer stay in business for whatever reason, shareholders will send us a dedicated Bitcoin address from their email address tied to their account on Havelock.

A list of the shareholders' Bitcoin address and the number of units they hold will be sent directly to friedcat with a request to transfer the shares to direct shares.

Feel free to contact us with any questions and concerns,

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February 26, 2014, 12:26:51 AM
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In the event that Havelock can no longer stay in business for whatever reason, shareholders will send us a dedicated Bitcoin address from their email address tied to their account on Havelock



I would hope that the address would be tied to the trader account BEFORE a shut down event. We all know how 'after the fact' works out. At least have the option for proactive customers to safeguard their investments. This worked smoothly with the BTC-TC shut down, with no panic or even worries - because it was all prearranged.
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February 26, 2014, 12:37:55 AM
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In the event that Havelock can no longer stay in business for whatever reason, shareholders will send us a dedicated Bitcoin address from their email address tied to their account on Havelock



I would hope that the address would be tied to the trader account BEFORE a shut down event. We all know how 'after the fact' works out. At least have the option for proactive customers to safeguard their investments. This worked smoothly with the BTC-TC shut down, with no panic or even worries - because it was all prearranged.

Right now, can you tie an account to an address? I've searched for the setting but havent found it, if the feature is there.

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February 26, 2014, 01:01:53 AM
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Unless you trade AM shares often, are a market maker, or are planing to buy or sell shares in a few weeks, I see no reason to hold your shares on Havelock.  Direct shares are more secure, have lower fees, no delay in dividends... you have proof of ownership.

Besides all that, I see no reason to give someone a board seat when they themselves do not have the stake in the company.  When you hold shares on a PT, you give up a good bit.

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