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March 20, 2015, 07:56:09 PM
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It happens so often you wonder whether it is due to total ineptness or a deliberate policy to undermine our efforts overseas. It’s most likely a result of corruption and unintended consequences, combined with a foreign policy that makes it impossible to determine who are our friends are and who are our enemies. One would think that so many failures in arming others to do our bidding in our effort to control an empire would awaken our leaders and the American people and prompt policy changes.

A recent headline in Mother Jones read: “US Weapons Have A Nasty Habit of Going AWOL.” The report was about $500 million worth of military equipment that is unaccounted for in Yemen. Just as in so many other places, our policy of provoking civil strife in Yemen has been a complete failure. At one time it was announced that there was a great victory in a war being won with drones assisting groups that claimed to be on our side in the Yemen Civil War. As usual, we could have expected that these weapons would end up in the hands of the militants not on the side of United States and would never be accounted for.

There are numerous examples of how our foreign intervention backfires and actually helps the enemy. Just recently a headline announced: “CIA cash sometimes refills al-Qaeda coffers.” This was a story of our government helping pay ransom to al-Qaeda for the release an Afghan diplomat. However this was a measly $5 million so it was not considered a big deal. Another headline just recently announced that, “Iraqi army downs two UK planes carrying weapons for ISIL.” The Iraqi army is supposed to be on our side, and many people believe the UK is also on our side as well. One thing for sure the American taxpayer pays for all this nonsense.

Building weapons and seeing them end up in the hands of the enemy is almost a routine event and one should expect it to continue to happen under the circumstances of the chaos in the Middle East. This represents a cost to the American taxpayer and is obviously a major contributing factor in what will be the ultimate failure of our plan to remake the Middle East. This is bad enough, and the only people who seem to benefit from it are those who are earning profits in the military-industrial complex. But there is something every bit as bad as our weapons ending up in the hands of the jihadists and being used against us. That is, the fact that our presence there, our weapons, and our bombs, are the best recruiting tool for getting individuals to join the fight against America’s presence in so many conflicts around the world.

If our leaders cannot understand the arguments against our current policies based on the Constitutional and moral principles, they ought to at least be willing to pay attention to the impracticality of a policy that almost always seems to backfire, is always very expensive, and is always detrimental to our national defense.

Someday out of necessity we will be forced to consider a policy that the Founders advocated. Friendship with all nations, peace, commerce, and avoidance of all entangling alliances while staying out of the internal affairs of other nations. Unless something miraculous happens, I fear that this will not be accomplished until we are forced to come to our knees in the midst of a colossal bankruptcy.

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March 20, 2015, 09:06:15 PM
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because your country is run by israel and israel likes islamic extremists destabilising its enemies

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March 20, 2015, 09:35:36 PM
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It’s most likely a result of corruption and unintended consequences, combined with a foreign policy that makes it impossible to determine who are our friends are and who are our enemies.

This is the theory I subscribe to. Nobody wants these weapons to go to the "bad guys" but it is rather inevitable when the US wants so desperately to fight these groups to achieve a larger foreign policy goal, but knows the population is unwilling to support ground troops. That leaves the only course of action as airstrikes with proxy ground troops who are inept and not committed to our cause, so they abandon the battlefield and the weapons they receive from us pretty quickly. The advantage that the "bad guys" have is they are ideologically sound. They are prepared to die for their cause, and that makes them formidable. Even more so when they recover our abandoned weaponry.

One would think that so many failures in arming others to do our bidding in our effort to control an empire would awaken our leaders and the American people and prompt policy changes.

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March 20, 2015, 11:11:54 PM
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Because arms manufacturers prefer to operate at very comfortable profit margins.

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March 20, 2015, 11:15:00 PM
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because your country is run by israel and israel likes islamic extremists destabilising its enemies
Antisemitism hasn't been cool since 1940, you're making an ass of yourself on permanent public record. Knock it off.

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March 20, 2015, 11:45:23 PM
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And I always thought it's Russian weapons that always get lost somewhere and then resurface in the hands of rebels all over the world.
If you don't know the reason, usually it's money. Maybe you've seen Lord of War. A very good movie if you want to learn the mechanics of weapons trade and smuggling.

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March 20, 2015, 11:51:30 PM
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Like as we have the BEST government money can buy, we sell it off to others once we have purchased it. You know. Like buy low, sell high.

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March 21, 2015, 12:46:46 AM
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Because arms manufacturers prefer to operate at very comfortable profit margins.

There are many more businesses other than just the obvious weapon manufacturers that stand to profit from war. 'War is a racket' and so there is a real desire (by these various business entities) to maintain perpetual wars worldwide. The Vietnam war was meant to be a never ending war, but the hippie movement managed to sway public support away from it. The 'War on Terror' has since proven to be a much better model for maintaining perpetual wars as there is no explicit enemy to ultimately defeat. By allowing for weapons to end up in the hands of their enemies (real or manufactured) America is effectively enabling their enemies to become more capable of providing these desired conflicts. Meanwhile, Americans (through their tax dollars) are being used to foot the bill, by providing arms for both sides of the conflict.

And I always thought it's Russian weapons that always get lost somewhere and then resurface in the hands of rebels all over the world.
If you don't know the reason, usually it's money. Maybe you've seen Lord of War. A very good movie if you want to learn the mechanics of weapons trade and smuggling.


Indeed, America isn't the only nation to do this.


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March 21, 2015, 10:29:50 AM
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Antisemitism hasn't been cool since 1940, you're making an ass of yourself on permanent public record. Knock it off.

Yes judaism is obnoxious,  exactly the same as every other organization, religious based or not, indoctrinating children during formative years. Including the US government school system capitalism indoctrination factories.

Be radical, have principles, be absolute, be that which the bourgeoisie calls an extremist: give yourself without counting or calculating, don't accept what they call ‘the reality of life' and act in such a way that you won't be accepted by that kind of ‘life', never abandon the principle of struggle.
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March 21, 2015, 11:02:42 AM
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There are many reasons as to why this happens. Firstly, just because the USG comes out and proclaims a state or group as an 'enemy' does not necessarily mean that they truly think this. Most of the time they just proclaim such as propaganda to get public backing for wars or invasions. Throughout time the CIA has a history of arming rebels or terrorist groups if they can help promote their agenda and it usually ends up backfiring at some point or in some way. Also, you must remember the phrase the enemy of my enemy is my friend. If you can arm one terrorist group to overthrow a leader they don't like its getting somebody else to do the dirty work for you and you can keep your hands clean in the process.

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March 21, 2015, 01:32:54 PM
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It is well known that wars are happening for many reasons . I believe that money is one of them , to be more specific money from selling weapons , weapon manufacture companies sell their weapons to the both sides . They dont care for anything else except money , they dont care for peoples lifes , this is our world right now and i am ashamed of it ...
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