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March 19, 2015, 01:41:56 AM
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Wow $1000 for staying at home? :O That's insane! Imagine that in my country, that actually is a part of the EU, you get about $500 in a normal, full time job.
In my first full time job, which was shitty by the way, I was getting $300 a month!
Yup, life is very unfair. But $1k is way less here than in your country (which is?) is my guess. The money I get is survival+benifits, I can have fun, go to Stockholm and meet people instead of just surviving - but yes for doing nothing.

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March 19, 2015, 01:49:53 AM
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Wow $1000 for staying at home? :O That's insane! Imagine that in my country, that actually is a part of the EU, you get about $500 in a normal, full time job.
In my first full time job, which was shitty by the way, I was getting $300 a month!
Yup, life is very unfair. But $1k is way less here than in your country (which is?) is my guess. The money I get is survival+benifits, I can have fun, go to Stockholm and meet people instead of just surviving - but yes for doing nothing.

It's Poland. I haven't been to Sweden, although it's only 6 hours by ferry from our coast, maybe it's time to move Grin
As for the prices I'm renting a 40m2 flat and it costs me ~500USD a month + food, so I could easily survive on what you're getting. To compare my father's retirement pension (after almost 40 years of work) is ~350USD a month. Embarrassed

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March 19, 2015, 02:43:56 AM
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Wow $1000 for staying at home? :O That's insane! Imagine that in my country, that actually is a part of the EU, you get about $500 in a normal, full time job.
In my first full time job, which was shitty by the way, I was getting $300 a month!
Yup, life is very unfair. But $1k is way less here than in your country (which is?) is my guess. The money I get is survival+benifits, I can have fun, go to Stockholm and meet people instead of just surviving - but yes for doing nothing.

It's Poland. I haven't been to Sweden, although it's only 6 hours by ferry from our coast, maybe it's time to move Grin
As for the prices I'm renting a 40m2 flat and it costs me ~500USD a month + food, so I could easily survive on what you're getting. To compare my father's retirement pension (after almost 40 years of work) is ~350USD a month. Embarrassed
How old is he? My granpa is up 80 and he helpt build this country, he is cheap as hell is all I know. Really, save the last drop, don't know what is going on.
I can only imagine he had a factory job. Thats how my dad started his career, dangerous hot stuff (you burn you die work at the age of 15-16 iirc).. Not well payed.

Have no idea what's he riding on. Propably not much.. Sad
I've never been to poland, maybe passed by on plane. What's going on over there, war machines landing stripe or is that moved now? Very close Sweden :S

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March 19, 2015, 03:18:15 AM
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how long til i become a sweden national and qualify for these benefits?

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March 19, 2015, 03:30:52 PM
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I think the system is fucked. Your world view seems very black or white, I don't deserve that much free money because of a diagnose that on paper says I have social faulties but am more intelligent than the avarage.
If the top 10% gave up their 90% wealth, everyone else would have 9x more money. Reflect on that before being so quick to utter the words, "I don't deserve".

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March 19, 2015, 04:45:30 PM
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Wow $1000 for staying at home? :O That's insane! Imagine that in my country, that actually is a part of the EU, you get about $500 in a normal, full time job.
In my first full time job, which was shitty by the way, I was getting $300 a month!

You can get more than that in some countries, especially if you have a few kids. I think the welfare system is a positive thing, but only if it's handled properly. They actually need to help you find or become fit for work not just pay people to sit at home all day. It's not a cushy life and will probably just depress you more but you can survive pretty well on it including a couple of luxuries but that's part of the problem. People get to comfy and dependent on it and why should they bother trying to find work when after taxes and other cuts they barely make much more than doing nothing so they do.

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March 19, 2015, 04:50:16 PM
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European countries can have these luxurious welfare states and socialistic mentalities because they spend very little on military spending. I don't endorse the former but wish the US would do much less of the latter.
European? you might mean a couple of them, the rest are pretty much screwed. Sweden clearly cannot go way the way it goes now forever, doesn't seem very sustainable to me..

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March 19, 2015, 04:56:01 PM
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Actually Northern Europe countries are the most welfare and developed countries in the world with the highest per-capita income and HDI. They're also the safer countries to live in, the USA is always the target of terrorist attacks, but living in these third-world countries you don't have to worry about it.

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March 19, 2015, 05:10:35 PM
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http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/countries/sweden/


average income per capita is like 4 k higher then the average in the EU, probaly live-cost is also higher.
makes sense then if you get more welfare, question is now, what can do you with 1k $ in sweden?

in germany you get like i think 500 € + rent money and that is already pretty much borderline to live for a whole month. (pretty much no extra/luxury articles for you)


ín the end it is still better to earn yourself money instead of living from welfare (of course only if you can)

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March 20, 2015, 10:17:01 AM
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how long til i become a sweden national and qualify for these benefits?
Google Sweden immigration, but I think it happens immediatly you become a legal Swedish person.

I think the system is fucked. Your world view seems very black or white, I don't deserve that much free money because of a diagnose that on paper says I have social faulties but am more intelligent than the avarage.
If the top 10% gave up their 90% wealth, everyone else would have 9x more money. Reflect on that before being so quick to utter the words, "I don't deserve".
Yeah true to some degree, but that's a differnet league, not gonna happen.

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March 20, 2015, 10:28:20 AM
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how long til i become a sweden national and qualify for these benefits?
Google Sweden immigration, but I think it happens immediatly you become a legal Swedish person.

I think the system is fucked. Your world view seems very black or white, I don't deserve that much free money because of a diagnose that on paper says I have social faulties but am more intelligent than the avarage.
If the top 10% gave up their 90% wealth, everyone else would have 9x more money. Reflect on that before being so quick to utter the words, "I don't deserve".
Yeah true to some degree, but that's a differnet league, not gonna happen.

You are very lucky, 1'000 dollars "for free" is better than nothing or am I wrong? However good luck with your life, here at moment I'm here in Italy and we have an "strong crisis" right now (so each € is important for 'live').
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March 20, 2015, 10:32:40 AM
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Wow $1000 for staying at home? :O That's insane! Imagine that in my country, that actually is a part of the EU, you get about $500 in a normal, full time job.
In my first full time job, which was shitty by the way, I was getting $300 a month!
Yup, life is very unfair. But $1k is way less here than in your country (which is?) is my guess. The money I get is survival+benifits, I can have fun, go to Stockholm and meet people instead of just surviving - but yes for doing nothing.

It's Poland. I haven't been to Sweden, although it's only 6 hours by ferry from our coast, maybe it's time to move Grin
As for the prices I'm renting a 40m2 flat and it costs me ~500USD a month + food, so I could easily survive on what you're getting. To compare my father's retirement pension (after almost 40 years of work) is ~350USD a month. Embarrassed
How old is he? My granpa is up 80 and he helpt build this country, he is cheap as hell is all I know. Really, save the last drop, don't know what is going on.
I can only imagine he had a factory job. Thats how my dad started his career, dangerous hot stuff (you burn you die work at the age of 15-16 iirc).. Not well payed.

Have no idea what's he riding on. Propably not much.. Sad
I've never been to poland, maybe passed by on plane. What's going on over there, war machines landing stripe or is that moved now? Very close Sweden :S

He's over 70, worked as a manager in a public transport company. Everything was public back then, in the communism.  What happened was the government decided to change the currency, then the government changed and the new one didn't want communists on their bills, so they changed it again. Long story short the former members of the communist party suddenly ended up with all the money and people who refused to join, like my father, were sucked dry.

To answer your second question, the government is faking the statistics to look good, but in fact we are in a similar situation to Greece. High unemployment, low salaries, high taxes, high emigration (mainly to Germany and the UK).

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March 20, 2015, 11:08:51 AM
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Actually Northern Europe countries are the most welfare and developed countries in the world with the highest per-capita income and HDI. They're also the safer countries to live in, the USA is always the target of terrorist attacks, but living in these third-world countries you don't have to worry about it.
We have ghetto too, shootings every day bombs weekly, they put all immigrants in the same area, gang wars light compared to the US ghettos. We don't get to hear about much through media but there are other source.. Some areas you dont go to unless life or death situation.

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March 20, 2015, 11:37:28 AM
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http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/countries/sweden/


average income per capita is like 4 k higher then the average in the EU, probaly live-cost is also higher.
makes sense then if you get more welfare, question is now, what can do you with 1k $ in sweden?

in germany you get like i think 500 € + rent money and that is already pretty much borderline to live for a whole month. (pretty much no extra/luxury articles for you)


ín the end it is still better to earn yourself money instead of living from welfare (of course only if you can)
It's rent, food everything plus something worth $~250 to do whatever you want with. I dream of a job do not like being on welfare at all but it's there so fuck it - it's not easy getting a job in my age with my background.

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March 20, 2015, 01:59:13 PM
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http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/countries/sweden/


average income per capita is like 4 k higher then the average in the EU, probaly live-cost is also higher.
makes sense then if you get more welfare, question is now, what can do you with 1k $ in sweden?

in germany you get like i think 500 € + rent money and that is already pretty much borderline to live for a whole month. (pretty much no extra/luxury articles for you)


ín the end it is still better to earn yourself money instead of living from welfare (of course only if you can)
It's rent, food everything plus something worth $~250 to do whatever you want with. I dream of a job do not like being on welfare at all but it's there so fuck it - it's not easy getting a job in my age with my background.

Can we know how much old are you? Only a little curiosity. I think 1'000 dollars for do nothing is great but a job is more, more better because you will feel yourself helpful for the society. Your autism is high or low?
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I think the system is fucked. Your world view seems very black or white, I don't deserve that much free money because of a diagnose that on paper says I have social faulties but am more intelligent than the avarage.
If the top 10% gave up their 90% wealth, everyone else would have 9x more money. Reflect on that before being so quick to utter the words, "I don't deserve".

Why should the top percent give up any of their money, especially when they've (usually) worked very hard for it?

Actually Northern Europe countries are the most welfare and developed countries in the world with the highest per-capita income and HDI. They're also the safer countries to live in, the USA is always the target of terrorist attacks, but living in these third-world countries you don't have to worry about it.
We have ghetto too, shootings every day bombs weekly, they put all immigrants in the same area, gang wars light compared to the US ghettos. We don't get to hear about much through media but there are other source.. Some areas you dont go to unless life or death situation.

You have bomb attacks weekly in Sweden? Sources?
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March 20, 2015, 04:34:35 PM
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Why should the top percent give up any of their money, especially when they've (usually) worked very hard for it?
Usually because they don't want to be torn to shreds by angry mobs of starving folks. Give it a few more years, you'll see what I mean.

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http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/countries/sweden/


average income per capita is like 4 k higher then the average in the EU, probaly live-cost is also higher.
makes sense then if you get more welfare, question is now, what can do you with 1k $ in sweden?

in germany you get like i think 500 € + rent money and that is already pretty much borderline to live for a whole month. (pretty much no extra/luxury articles for you)


ín the end it is still better to earn yourself money instead of living from welfare (of course only if you can)
It's rent, food everything plus something worth $~250 to do whatever you want with. I dream of a job do not like being on welfare at all but it's there so fuck it - it's not easy getting a job in my age with my background.

Can we know how much old are you? Only a little curiosity. I think 1'000 dollars for do nothing is great but a job is more, more better because you will feel yourself helpful for the society. Your autism is high or low?

The autism is high in one way, the thoughts are very annoying and frequent, I need to focus them on something (especially when I try to sleep because nothing to distract with)..
Hard to explain. I am 25, so I have learned most of the social game, the mask is on always, don't think about it at all.

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If the top 10% gave up their 90% wealth, everyone else would have 9x more money. Reflect on that before being so quick to utter the words, "I don't deserve".

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Why should the top percent give up any of their money, especially when they've (usually) worked very hard for it?
Mate the 10% stole and faked their way to own everything, they did work hard propably yeah but you have no idea how evil they are.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKKQnijnsM watch this, Wealth Inequality in America, very bad!


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I think the system is fucked. Your world view seems very black or white, I don't deserve that much free money because of a diagnose that on paper says I have social faulties but am more intelligent than the avarage.
If the top 10% gave up their 90% wealth, everyone else would have 9x more money. Reflect on that before being so quick to utter the words, "I don't deserve".


Why should the top percent give up any of their money, especially when they've (usually) worked very hard for it?
The top 10% stole, cheated and murdered their way there. Watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKKQnijnsM and see how your money is distrubuted. The top 10 are shitheads, why don't they donate $100m to africa, $100m is like a penny for you and me compared to them. (quoting is fucked up, my text)

Actually Northern Europe countries are the most welfare and developed countries in the world with the highest per-capita income and HDI. They're also the safer countries to live in, the USA is always the target of terrorist attacks, but living in these third-world countries you don't have to worry about it.
We have ghetto too, shootings every day bombs weekly, they put all immigrants in the same area, gang wars light compared to the US ghettos. We don't get to hear about much through media but there are other source.. Some areas you dont go to unless life or death situation.

You have bomb attacks weekly in Sweden? Sources?
Flashback.se, Swedens largest forum - people write about it... It's in Malmö mainly it happens, it's not large bombs usually, but car bombs in the gang wars and such, usually they dont try to injure innocent bystanders.
Some people say that they don't react on the small blows anylonger but sometimes large bombs go off, they tried to blow up the court for some time ago, that was a big boom..
Some articles blogs
http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=6052234
https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2014/12/26/another-bomb-exploded-in-malmo-sweden-christmas-eve-the-fourth-explosion-in-a-week/
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2014/12/20/world/europe/ap-eu-sweden-car-bombs.html?_r=0
(google bomb attack sweden, you get many results)..


Why should the top percent give up any of their money, especially when they've (usually) worked very hard for it?
Usually because they don't want to be torn to shreds by angry mobs of starving folks. Give it a few more years, you'll see what I mean.
Can't wait, I hope the americans are getting riled up by now, and fight together regardless of skin color.

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