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August 09, 2012, 06:06:48 PM
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Whenever I try to log in while using tor, the forum will not allow me to post a reply or send a PM.

Does any one have a solution to this problem?

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August 09, 2012, 08:33:16 PM
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When someone is banned, in some cases all of their IPs will also be banned. If they were using Tor, some Tor exit nodes will be banned. If you use Tor, you'll occasionally run into these bans. You can tell Tor to switch to a new exit node ("new identity") when this happens. Tor switches exit nodes every 10 minutes by default; you'll run into bans less frequently if you increase this time using the MaxCircuitDirtiness configuration option.

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August 09, 2012, 11:42:34 PM
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By the way: is it really a policy, that registration at the forum can not come through Tor? (or public proxies for that matter...)

Does anyone know the reasoning behind this?

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August 10, 2012, 01:56:03 AM
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By the way: is it really a policy, that registration at the forum can not come through Tor? (or public proxies for that matter...)

Yes. It's to make it more difficult for banned users to come back. You should hire someone to create an account for you.

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August 10, 2012, 04:19:21 PM
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When someone is banned, in some cases all of their IPs will also be banned. If they were using Tor, some Tor exit nodes will be banned. If you use Tor, you'll occasionally run into these bans. You can tell Tor to switch to a new exit node ("new identity") when this happens. Tor switches exit nodes every 10 minutes by default; you'll run into bans less frequently if you increase this time using the MaxCircuitDirtiness configuration option.

Thanks. That makes a lot of sense.

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August 10, 2012, 07:05:49 PM
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Can't we maintain a list of tor exit nodes and tell the forum to exclude them from bans?

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August 19, 2012, 07:41:31 PM
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But if you're blocking commonly used nodes, you're potentially blocking a good chunk of the userbase.

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July 20, 2013, 06:06:43 PM
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Yes, I just learned that I am "banned from posting . . ."

Using the TOR browser, I just switched identities and then I was no longer banned.

So, switching identities in the Vidalia Control Panel seems to solve the problem.

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July 21, 2013, 12:07:16 AM
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But if you're blocking commonly used nodes, you're potentially blocking a good chunk of the userbase.


Gimme slack they don't care about keeping nodes alive they are just trying to avoid legal issues in Colorado(=

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August 15, 2013, 10:50:06 PM
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Sorry klabaki, you are banned from posting or sending personal messages on this forum.

    Spam. (Auto-ban.) You may appeal here: banappeals-w6pquw43@theymos.e4ward.com . If you are using Tor, see https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99601.msg1089571#msg1089571

When someone is banned, in some cases all of their IPs will also be banned. If they were using Tor, some Tor exit nodes will be banned. If you use Tor, you'll occasionally run into these bans. You can tell Tor to switch to a new exit node ("new identity") when this happens. Tor switches exit nodes every 10 minutes by default; you'll run into bans less frequently if you increase this time using the MaxCircuitDirtiness configuration option.

You should block either all exit nodes, or none of them.

Blocking only a few exit nodes doesn't make sense:
  • It doesn't prevent spammers from writing a script to switch exit nodes until they can make their spammy posts.
  • However, it prevents legit people from making legit posts because they have to repeatedly click "New Identity" until they can get through.


For example, to make this single post, I had to click "New Identity" more than five times. I have the feeling that non-blocked exit nodes are quite rare. Angry Angry Angry


Admins have to decide whether they want to allow anonymous access to their site, or not. If you want to block anonymous access, then you should block all exit nodes. The tor website gives help on how to do that.

However, it seems like a paradox to me that a forum about an anonymous currency denies anonymous access. Roll Eyes


Oh, and by the way: It would be nice to have a .onion address for bitcointalk - this would allow us to securely connect to bitcointalk without the HTTPS security weaknesses (HTTPS certificates can be faked...)

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August 16, 2013, 02:12:40 AM
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Just make the ban IP utility not ban tor exit nodes.
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August 16, 2013, 07:30:58 AM
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Sorry klabaki, you are banned from posting or sending personal messages on this forum.

    Spam. (Auto-ban.) You may appeal here: banappeals-w6pquw43@theymos.e4ward.com . If you are using Tor, see https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99601.msg1089571#msg1089571

When someone is banned, in some cases all of their IPs will also be banned. If they were using Tor, some Tor exit nodes will be banned. If you use Tor, you'll occasionally run into these bans. You can tell Tor to switch to a new exit node ("new identity") when this happens. Tor switches exit nodes every 10 minutes by default; you'll run into bans less frequently if you increase this time using the MaxCircuitDirtiness configuration option.

You should block either all exit nodes, or none of them.

Blocking only a few exit nodes doesn't make sense:
  • It doesn't prevent spammers from writing a script to switch exit nodes until they can make their spammy posts.
  • However, it prevents legit people from making legit posts because they have to repeatedly click "New Identity" until they can get through.


For example, to make this single post, I had to click "New Identity" more than five times. I have the feeling that non-blocked exit nodes are quite rare. Angry Angry Angry


Admins have to decide whether they want to allow anonymous access to their site, or not. If you want to block anonymous access, then you should block all exit nodes. The tor website gives help on how to do that.

However, it seems like a paradox to me that a forum about an anonymous currency denies anonymous access. Roll Eyes


Oh, and by the way: It would be nice to have a .onion address for bitcointalk - this would allow us to securely connect to bitcointalk without the HTTPS security weaknesses (HTTPS certificates can be faked...)
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Maybe it is sufficient to ban users after their login (e.g. via cookie). It is possibly hard enough to start with a new account.

Some of the users came 2010 and 2011 to Bitcoins because of the rumors and rare 'advertising' in the I2P network. Is an I2P service possible, too?

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August 16, 2013, 10:18:23 PM
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By the way: is it really a policy, that registration at the forum can not come through Tor? (or public proxies for that matter...)

Yes. It's to make it more difficult for banned users to come back. You should hire someone to create an account for you.
Why not just let people pay the forum directly in order to evade the Tor registration block as part of the signup procedure?
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August 17, 2013, 12:15:40 AM
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By the way: is it really a policy, that registration at the forum can not come through Tor? (or public proxies for that matter...)

Yes. It's to make it more difficult for banned users to come back. You should hire someone to create an account for you.
Why not just let people pay the forum directly in order to evade the Tor registration block as part of the signup procedure?

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August 18, 2013, 08:56:40 PM
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Why not just let people pay the forum directly in order to evade the Tor registration block as part of the signup procedure?

Too much work to do manually, but I am in the process of setting up an automated system for this. Once the automated system exists, proxies and abused IPs will be more frequently banned from instant registration, and the newbie restrictions will be removed.

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August 22, 2013, 02:11:46 AM
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However, it seems like a paradox to me that a forum about an anonymous currency denies anonymous access. Roll Eyes

I use Tor (yes, right now) just so my ISP will not know that I make BTC transactions, because of my posts here.  They already know more than I want them to know.

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November 14, 2013, 07:51:23 PM
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worked also for me! I saw the red bann banner at the top, then i told my hw firewall box to change the node from sweden to norway
and the banner disappears!

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November 15, 2013, 02:21:05 AM
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I'm still running into these bans quite often.

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And it's annoying to be banned! Angry Angry Angry

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November 15, 2013, 02:28:40 AM
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Blame the spammers.

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November 15, 2013, 02:44:53 AM
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I don't understand why the very same user is banned or not banned, depending on what IP address they use.

Does my personal "spam likeliness" depend on the IP address that I'm using? Certainly not. I'm still the very same person, no matter from where I log in.


Why don't you give user-based bans, instead of IP-based bans?

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