[FLAG] Against CoinPayCard.net (u=3521103)

[NotATether]

Well, I wasn't imagining about writing this, but here we are.

On February 19, 2023, I deposited a total of $200 into my CoinPayCard account. This was combined with my already existing ~$33 account balance to give me about $233 in account balance.

Then, I loaded $220 to my card, and they charged a $10.9 card loading fee for that. My account balance was deducted to $3.something after that. Everything up to this point was normal.

What was not normal after that was the balance was never credited on the screen, in my card. I only saw the card balance I had before loading the card (which was $87.2, since then reduced by my spending to $72.1.

Now I had been through this scenario two other times, and in those previous two times, the CoinPayCard guy manually fixed it for me, but now it seems that he has disappeared which is not acceptable (considering that now other people are suffering from this problem).

I am especially pissed because this was supposed to be reserved for future subscription payments.

And this hurts extra hard for me because I had taken the risk to review their service (as I would any cards service as I've done previously) and found no discrepancies initially. Now there are claims that CoinPayCard is being ran by one person, which I would understand as I had ran some things myself before, but to abandon your users like this without even a warning of "we will be on vacation for x days" causes a lot of unnecessary trouble.

The transaction I used to deposit $200:

eff773b76fc1f9464fff222843052ba5203688505af51cab8fc4ada43ff0226e

Proof that I had $87.2 in my balance prior to this action:



The message I sent to Guido asking him to fix the balance in my account:

Hello, I loaded $220 this afternoon and I still do not see the balance.

Hopefully a bug fix is coming on the way, because it's starting to feel a bit tedious to be PMing you to adjust it each time.

Best Regards.

The account will remain flagged until my balance is made whole again (and of course, that of everyone else's as well). I am very displeased at what you have done to us. You coming with a promising service and you just let things blow up like this is not acceptable.

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[Rikafip]

Its sucks that it ended up this way, but once again its proven what I realized some time ago that getting a legit and reliable no-KYC debit card is just a pipe dream as sooner or later they either stop working or they end up being a scam, like in this case.

Anyway, flag supported and at least you didn't lose too much.

[NeuroticFish]

And this hurts extra hard for me because I had taken the risk to review their service

Yeah, that review of yours made me hope that maybe they're different...

...And I see the account was online in Feb 22, so 2 days after your message being sent.
I'm sorry...  

Supported the flag and also added a red tag. This looks too much like and exit scam 

[NotATether]

This outcome isn't surprising for me. Good thing i wasn't tempted with their service since they didn't bother offer virtual credit card. Anyway flag is supported and i also left negative trust to their account.

P.S. I wonder whether any online account which connected to their debit card could get ban/suspend since now we know CoinPayCard.net is very probable exit scam.

If they do, I'll probably be the first one... that is if they even have the time to even attend to their website  


I just found that Ezzocard is selling "Violet" worldwide VISA prepaid cards, so these are a good alternative for people who got screwed by this site. Never had a problem with them.

[joker_josue]

Well, it seems that that idea that an API problem between their system and the bank existed, after all it did not exist. Because neither API exists...

It is regrettable how these guys continues to assemble these schemes, apparently credible to structure money.

Thanks to all who gave the alerts early on.

[examplens]

I just found that Ezzocard is selling "Violet" worldwide VISA prepaid cards, so these are a good alternative for people who got screwed by this site. Never had a problem with them.

I don't have much experience with VCC, so I have to ask, is it usual for such services to work in an anonymous mode?
I can't find any useful information about them on their website. Except for the email address and FB page, there are no other channels for communication.

[DaveF]

This outcome isn't surprising for me. Good thing i wasn't tempted with their service since they didn't bother offer virtual credit card. Anyway flag is supported and i also left negative trust to their account.

P.S. I wonder whether any online account which connected to their debit card could get ban/suspend since now we know CoinPayCard.net is very probable exit scam.

If they do, I'll probably be the first one... that is if they even have the time to even attend to their website  


I just found that Ezzocard is selling "Violet" worldwide VISA prepaid cards, so these are a good alternative for people who got screwed by this site. Never had a problem with them.

Flag supported. Sorry about you loosing the money.

If it's just prepaid that you want there are other places selling them too.

Also, and everyone keep this in mind. Even though there is no KYC they are not 'anonymous' do you really think a place doing this is going to not reveal their records to the authorities if they show up with a warrant? They know where you shopped and from there it's just another breadcrumb on the trail to you.

-Dave

[NotATether]

Also, and everyone keep this in mind. Even though there is no KYC they are not 'anonymous' do you really think a place doing this is going to not reveal their records to the authorities if they show up with a warrant? They know where you shopped and from there it's just another breadcrumb on the trail to you.

I think most of us who are doing this are not looking for anonymous cards per se but rather no-KYC debit cards.

I imagine that automated KYC verification software excludes thousands of people who otherwise have good IDs just because the software won't recognize them. For example, every wallet and service that's using Jumio for their KYC has a faulty provider because Jumio keeps rejecting all live photos of my (US) passport.

e.g. "Please make sure all four corners of the document are clearly visible and try again." (It's in a book form, goddammit, how can you expect to keep it open all the way without using your hands?)

So it could be that you actually have the selfie, the ID, the proof of address lined up but the automated KYC software doesn't accept one of them and you get messed up.

[dkbit98]

Flag supported.
I hate to be this guy, but I will say it again - I told you so 
Their scammer behavior was obvious from the start, with creating bunch of new topics, closing threads, avoiding to answer my questions and many other things that turned on my scam alert.
From latest information I received, we are probably dealing with some scammer from Nigeria, who created similar service for fiat payment scam.
I am almost sure he is going to recycle this scam and restart it with new name and design soon.

Its sucks that it ended up this way, but once again its proven what I realized some time ago that getting a legit and reliable no-KYC debit card is just a pipe dream as sooner or later they either stop working or they end up being a scam, like in this case.

It's not a pipe dream, service like this is not easy to operate but it is possible, one similar service exist today and works fine (for now).
I am following services like this and I will post any updates when they happen.

I just found that Ezzocard is selling "Violet" worldwide VISA prepaid cards, so these are a good alternative for people who got screwed by this site. Never had a problem with them.

I see their are available in forum and there are several scam accusations against them from few years ago.
Even if they are not scam, I think you can't use this cards on many website.

[Rikafip]

It's not a pipe dream, service like this is not easy to operate but it is possible, one similar service exist today and works fine (for now).

I am well aware of the fact that service like is not easy to operate because if it was, we would have dozens of them while situation at the moment is diametrically opposite and from what I know, there's not a single one that continuously works for a couple of years, as that's what is needed to call something reliable.

Now that you mentioned the one that exist and works fine, are you referring to Coindebit? Afaik they paused their service 6 months ago as they are changing card issuer and who knows when they come back, so they can't be called reliable either.

[dkbit98]

Now that you mentioned the one that exist and works fine, are you referring to Coindebit? Afaik they paused their service 6 months ago as they are changing card issuer and who knows when they come back, so they can't be called reliable either.

No, Coindebit is still on pause, they refunded everything to customers, and they should restart service again but only for virtual cards I think.
I was talking about different service, but I don't want to advertise them here, I posted more about them in our local forum (big list of crypto cards).
Any service like this is always going to be risky for obvious reasons because regulators are changing rules and regulations all the time, but that is different from blatant scammers like CoinPayCard scam.

[NotATether]

I just found that Ezzocard is selling "Violet" worldwide VISA prepaid cards, so these are a good alternative for people who got screwed by this site. Never had a problem with them.

I see their are available in forum and there are several scam accusations against them from few years ago.
Even if they are not scam, I think you can't use this cards on many website.

Everything on that site are actual prepaid cards so their list of merchants are more restricted than whatever debit card coinpaycard was selling.

Generally, I try to stick with sites that accept my prepaid cards because that makes life a lot easier for me (hooray for OpenAI).

[LoyceV]

Well, I wasn't imagining about writing this, but here we are.

I was surprised when you tried their "service" by sending $200. At that time I had already left them neutral feedback pointing out their lies, and that I don't trust them. My feedback wasn't even the first questioning them.
Maybe I'm just more paranoid than you are, but in crypto, that's the safest choice.

I am especially pissed because this was supposed to be reserved for future subscription payments.

I've never dealt with cards in combination with crypto services, I just choose the ones that accept crypto directly. I always assume banks aren't allowed to deal with anonymous customers, so an anonymous credit (or debit) card can't really exist long-term.

I've Supported the Flag.

[joker_josue]

I've never dealt with cards in combination with crypto services, I just choose the ones that accept crypto directly. I always assume banks aren't allowed to deal with anonymous customers, so an unknown credit (or debit) card can't really exist long-term.

It is not anonymous to the card issuer, be it Visa or Mastercard. Or rather, it's anonymous... but it's not anonymous.

Let me explain: the card issuer (Visa/Mastercard) knows who ordered that card. But if the company that ordered that card offers some gift cards, it may no longer keep a record of who got it.

For example, you can go to a supermarket, buy a gift card with cash and then give it to someone else to use. This card, for the person using it, is anonymous. The issuing entity does not know who is using it directly. And you don't know how that person acquired the card.

These anonymous credit cards are Visa/Mastercard gift cards, which cannot be recharged.

If the card can be recharged, I advise you to be suspicious of this supposed anonymity.

[albon]

Now I had been through this scenario two other times, and in those previous two times, the CoinPayCard guy manually fixed it for me, but now it seems that he has disappeared which is not acceptable (considering that now other people are suffering from this problem).

I am especially pissed because this was supposed to be reserved for future subscription payments.

After this scenario was repeated for the second time, you should have left CoinPayCard, because they do not have the competence to solve this bug so that it does not happen again with users, or perhaps it is not a software bug, Maybe they did it to steal the deposits of customers and users of this virtual card. Fortunately, I had not tried CoinPayCard before, although I needed a service like this without KYC; perhaps the NO KYC feature is an advantage to lure and attract and deceive users.

I'm sorry for your loss, mate, and I hope again that you don't deposit large amounts of funds on unpopular virtual card sites like this one unless you do your research and see many reviews from trusted people.

I supported the flag, and I hope CoinPayCard users will notice this cheap scam service and leave it ASAP.

[Anubis123]

Hey I'm sorry for your loss I think we gotta avoid new services that show up especially the ones with suspicious behavior. A lot of weird stuff happen these days

For the Ezzocard, I heard about them in the past, I think they don't link to google pay, you tried to link them before?

This outcome isn't surprising for me. Good thing i wasn't tempted with their service since they didn't bother offer virtual credit card. Anyway flag is supported and i also left negative trust to their account.

P.S. I wonder whether any online account which connected to their debit card could get ban/suspend since now we know CoinPayCard.net is very probable exit scam.

If they do, I'll probably be the first one... that is if they even have the time to even attend to their website  


I just found that Ezzocard is selling "Violet" worldwide VISA prepaid cards, so these are a good alternative for people who got screwed by this site. Never had a problem with them.

[joker_josue]

For the Ezzocard, I heard about them in the past, I think they don't link to google pay, you tried to link them before?

It depends on the type of card, you can see this on the company's website:
https://ezzocard.com/where-to-use-ezzocard-vccs/#google-services


This can be another problem with prepaid virtual credit cards. Some services may request specific CC characteristics, for security reasons and to reduce the danger of using fake CCs. And some prepaid cards do not have these characteristics. So one should evaluate well when choosing one of these cards.



EDIT:
I've Supported the Flag.

[JollyGood]

The way CoinPayCard.net have conducted themselves is unacceptable. I had high hopes they would be around for the long run but sadly the way this has turned out leaves a bad impression nearly all new business starting out with ANN threads in the forum. I have supported the flag and will be leaving negative trust too.

I am sorry that you ended up being out of pocket especially after you took the time make a review too believing it was a legitimate business.

Well, I wasn't imagining about writing this, but here we are.

[Anubis123]

Thx for posting this, I'll take a look
And yea, it can be very complex to choose a card that's usable with some services especially google and apple pay

For the Ezzocard, I heard about them in the past, I think they don't link to google pay, you tried to link them before?

It depends on the type of card, you can see this on the company's website:
https://ezzocard.com/where-to-use-ezzocard-vccs/#google-services


This can be another problem with prepaid virtual credit cards. Some services may request specific CC characteristics, for security reasons and to reduce the danger of using fake CCs. And some prepaid cards do not have these characteristics. So one should evaluate well when choosing one of these cards.



EDIT:
I've Supported the Flag.

[scotty299]

The way CoinPayCard.net have conducted themselves is unacceptable. I had high hopes they would be around for the long run but sadly the way this has turned out leaves a bad impression nearly all new business starting out with ANN threads in the forum. I have supported the flag and will be leaving negative trust too.

I am sorry that you ended up being out of pocket especially after you took the time make a review too believing it was a legitimate business.

Well, I wasn't imagining about writing this, but here we are.

I got scammed today as well $165 total, added credit to the card from my funding balance and the credit never appeared on the card, no reply from support after several messages.