Lending board liar - Timelord2067

[HedgeFx]

Long story short:

Timelord2067 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=131361) tagged me red without any reason.

1) This infamous and lying person accused me and Alterra57 of investing in Ponzi and of being the same person.
2) He  did not open a scam accusation on the appropriate board: to avoid being contradicted he opened a self moderated topic in the lending section (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5446327.msg62330423#msg62330423).
3) All his theses have been denied directly by other users who have opposed the flag ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5157698.msg62352496#msg62352496)
4) Every time I replied to his post, posting evidence that he was wrong, he obviously deleted the messages.

I write this post in order to defend my integrity and my honor in this section of the forum, because it is here that I have found so many kind and helpful people. And I did the same, always honoring my debts.


These are the screenshots of the messages we exchanged with Alterra regarding the loans he granted me, confirming that we are two different users.







Instead, this is the confirmation that the coward continues to delete the messages where I post the evidence that he is wrong, because he doesn't want to admit he was wrong.

[CYBER_COWBOY]

It´s a bit scary with people that ain't big enough to admit when they are wrong and apologize.

It that really your goal Timelord? To make people abandoned their account even that they haven´t done anything of what your accusing them for?
Whats your end goal here? To be alone on the forum? Satoshi created this forum for everyone!
First I think your goal was to have a scam free forum, but after look it up a bit more i am shocked of your behaviour.
Please stop to harass people like this, its not nice in anyway! And it´s not cool to act like this in an anonymous forum.
Why cant we all just be good to each other???

And yes maybe I haven´t been here on the forum for a long time, but I am old enough to know how humans should behave to each other.

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First, move this topic to the Reputation board, it belongs there, not here. It will also be more visible to a larger number of members there, many do not come to the Lending board. Likewise, the thread opened by Timelord does not belong here, but in the reputation section.
Next, There is no need to enlarge fonts, it will not increase the importance of the whole thing. It is perfectly fine to use the default forum font size.
Also, if you can reduce the size of the images you posted it would be much more pleasing to the eye.
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[Plaguedeath]

I'd say you're both wrong.

It's true his feedback has a weak evidence, so it's not really appropriate to leave a negative feedback and flag into your profile. It doesn't mean I'm supporting HYIP or Ponzi, but I don't think we need to care with the funds we lend, in lender perspective.

But do you think you're correct for leaving him a negative feedback and flag? how much money he has scam you? what's sign if he will scam anyone? I oppose the flag you create because I don't see he will scam anyone.

Liar and fascist. He Launches false and irrational accusations, and deletes the messages that deny him.

He just wrong in leaving feedback and flag, what you can do is distrust him. Since you're leaving a wrong feedback and flag too, you could be distrusted if you not change it.

[alterra57]

I'd say you're both wrong.

It's true his feedback has a weak evidence, so it's not really appropriate to leave a negative feedback and flag into your profile. It doesn't mean I'm supporting HYIP or Ponzi, but I don't think we need to care with the funds we lend, in lender perspective.

But do you think you're correct for leaving him a negative feedback and flag? how much money he has scam you? what's sign if he will scam anyone? I oppose the flag you create because I don't see he will scam anyone.

Liar and fascist. He Launches false and irrational accusations, and deletes the messages that deny him.

He just wrong in leaving feedback and flag, what you can do is distrust him. Since you're leaving a wrong feedback and flag too, you could be distrusted if you not change it.

Thing is, whatever HedgeFx is saying is true. Not only did Timelord2067 launch a campaign of fake accusations against HedgeFx and me, he also tried to censor us and many other members of the forum by deleting our posts in a self moderated topic. On top of that, he still has not removed our red flags, at this point this is pure abuse of the rating system and he most definitely deserves the same.

[Plaguedeath]

Thing is, whatever HedgeFx is saying is true. Not only did Timelord2067 launch a campaign of fake accusations against HedgeFx and me, he also tried to censor us and many other members of the forum by deleting our posts in a self moderated topic. On top of that, he still has not removed our red flags, at this point this is pure abuse of the rating system and he most definitely deserves the same.

Two wrongs don't make a right

You don't have to wait until he removed his negative feedback, what you can do is distrust him and the good thing he's currently not in DT, so his feedback not show in trusted.

Edit:
The thread is still not moved to Reputation board, Lending board isn't an appropriate place to discuss about someone behavior.

[Poker Player]

I've got him on ignore. It seems that in the past he did well in the forum but for some time now he has been too conspiranoid and sees alts everywhere without evidence. He accused me and Naim027 of being alts and even kept insisting after there was clear evidence that we were not.

I also distrusted him but he is not on DT anyway, so his feedback shouldn't matter that much.

Best thing you can do is to put him on ignore as well and forget about him.

[LoyceV]

But do you think you're correct for leaving him a negative feedback and flag? how much money he has scam you? what's sign if he will scam anyone? I oppose the flag you create because I don't see he will scam anyone.

I've Opposed the Flag too. This is in no way worth a Type 2 Flag.

@OP: Please read Trust flags, and after that, consider withdrawing your Flag.

As for your feedback:

Liar and fascist. He Launches false and irrational accusations, and deletes the messages that deny him.

You seem angry, which I get. But don't let it cloud your judgement. Please read my guide to correct use of the Trust system. Retaliation feedback makes you look bad, while you had a pretty strong case. I tend to take feedback without name calling more seriously.

Thing is, whatever HedgeFx is saying is true. Not only did Timelord2067 launch a campaign of fake accusations against HedgeFx and me, he also tried to censor us and many other members of the forum by deleting our posts in a self moderated topic. On top of that, he still has not removed our red flags, at this point this is pure abuse of the rating system and he most definitely deserves the same.

If you remove the last part, I completely agree. But retaliating with Trust abuse is not the answer, excluding him is. Then, leave neutral feedback with facts only.

[holydarkness]

Hmm... the development of this drama moves in a rather quick pace. I was just finished reading the thread and the thread being referenced on the opening post and I see that both OP and alterra57 has withdrawn both of the flag and negative trust. I appreciate you both being the bigger men in the room. I am opposing the flags raised on both of you too.

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Thing is, whatever HedgeFx is saying is true. Not only did Timelord2067 launch a campaign of fake accusations against HedgeFx and me, he also tried to censor us and many other members of the forum by deleting our posts in a self moderated topic. On top of that, he still has not removed our red flags, at this point this is pure abuse of the rating system and he most definitely deserves the same.

You and HedgeFx are certainly right, but I completely agree with LoyceV, it is also wrong to use the trust system on your part if you leave feedback or a flag carried by personal emotions.
Timelord2067 topic certainly does not belong to the Lending section (as already said several times), I reported to the moderators to move it, but that's already a question for Cyrus and hilariousandco, why is it still there?

In the meantime Timelord is locked his topic in the lending board, I assume that in this way he wants to stop further discussion there, or at least only temporarily as he himself says. It would be good to leave this whole drama to one topic.

Now I see that he decided to post another neutral feedback to alterra57 and HedgeFx with the same reference, without deleting the previous negative one. Totally twisted, I wonder why it is so hard to admit that you were wrong and rash.

I had respect for all the good things Timelord did, he really did a lot for the forum, but unfortunately, such a stubborn attitude, defending wrong decisions, forces me to put him on my distrust list.

[alterra57]

Thing is, whatever HedgeFx is saying is true. Not only did Timelord2067 launch a campaign of fake accusations against HedgeFx and me, he also tried to censor us and many other members of the forum by deleting our posts in a self moderated topic. On top of that, he still has not removed our red flags, at this point this is pure abuse of the rating system and he most definitely deserves the same.

You and HedgeFx are certainly right, but I completely agree with LoyceV, it is also wrong to use the trust system on your part if you leave feedback or a flag carried by personal emotions.
Timelord2067 topic certainly does not belong to the Lending section (as already said several times), I reported to the moderators to move it, but that's already a question for Cyrus and hilariousandco, why is it still there?

In the meantime Timelord is locked his topic in the lending board, I assume that in this way he wants to stop further discussion there, or at least only temporarily as he himself says. It would be good to leave this whole drama to one topic.

Now I see that he decided to post another neutral feedback to alterra57 and HedgeFx with the same reference, without deleting the previous negative one. Totally twisted, I wonder why it is so hard to admit that you were wrong and rash.

I had respect for all the good things Timelord did, he really did a lot for the forum, but unfortunately, such a stubborn attitude, defending wrong decisions, forces me to put him on my distrust list.

You see, he keeps on doubling down, is he as blunt as a hammer or is it too difficult for him to accept he's wrong and move on, there's no need for an apology at this point? Anyways, to me, this matter is closed, thank you to everyone who commented on the drama and helped us solve the issue.

[shasan]

I was busy these days and could not post on the topic of Timelord2067 though I wanted to post on there. Today I have opened the topic and wanted to post but the topic is locked. I could not understand the reason for tagging these two users. If they increased trust by giving/loan from each other and both account is of one person then it could be okay. And in this case, the issue should arise a long ago. But that had not happened. It happened when failed to accuse by the name of Ponzi. If I invest in Ponzi then no one can say anything but if I promote Ponzi then others might be losers for me and in that case, anyone can accuse me.

[John Abraham]

OP, Do you think he didn't get that he was wrong? Of course, he knows that. But sometimes, our ego becomes more significant than that. We don't want to accept our mistakes and hesitate to apologize. I don't know how strong his evidence is. I read his posts where he showed that you used the same wallet address. Can you guys explain how you both used the same wallet? Or did you explain there? I am sorry I did not check other responses. Of course, his feedback's are incorrect use of the Trust system. As others already said, He is not in the DT network, So his feedback won't show as trusted feedback on your profile.

But, What do you guys do? Some prominent members asked you to remove the feedback you left, not because your words seemed angry. They asked because of its color. You just deleted and re-wrote your old feedback, and it's still negative. You misused the trust system, the same as him. So, What is the difference between you and him?

Timelord2067

2023-06-06

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This user left me unjust negative feedback without any reasons - Trust abuser

I encourage you to delete the feedback and make it neutral. Use negative feedback only if someone scams you or is likely to scam you (If you have proof). I believe he knows that he is wrong. That's why he deleted the responses in his self-moderate thread and locked it.

[HedgeFx]

No, you can't say i'm the same as him. NO.

I don't accuse anyone. I don't say timelord is a scammer.

He left me 3 - i repeat 3 - warning on my trust. Each one only based on his convinctions, whitount any evidence . From my side timelord acted with the intention of ruining my reputation and the fact that he deleted all the messages that disavowed him confirms my thesis.

My negative trust is more than justified: Timelord's actions could have compromised all my sacrifices.


It is right to leave a negative trust to a person who takes an action that harms you. And timelord acted with intent to harm me.


**Of course my trust will change if timelord withdraws or changes the trusts he left me

But, What do you guys do? Some prominent members asked you to remove the feedback you left, not because your words seemed angry. They asked because of its color. You just deleted and re-wrote your old feedback, and it's still negative. You misused the trust system, the same as him. So, What is the difference between you and him?

[John Abraham]

No, you can't say i'm the same as him. NO.

You are doing exactly the same thing that Timelord did (Incorrect use of Feedback System)

I don't accuse anyone. I don't say timelord is a scammer.

Then what is the negative tag for?

He left me 3 - i repeat 3 - warning on my trust. Each one only based on his convinctions, whitount any evidence . From my side timelord acted with the intention of ruining my reputation and the fact that he deleted all the messages that disavowed him confirms my thesis.

In this case, You can leave him neutral feedback describing what he did.

My negative trust is more than justified: Timelord's actions could have compromised all my sacrifices.
It is right to leave a negative trust to a person who takes an action that harms you. And timelord acted with intent to harm me.

You don't have to do what he did. He used the trust feedback incorrectly. Do you agree? If so, You are doing the same. This is called Retaliation feedback. If a dog bites you, you cannot bite back.

**Of course my trust will change if timelord withdraws or changes the trusts he left me

You don't have to do anything based on what he did to you. It's Retaliation feedback. You can distrust him and ignore him. I would love to quote LoyceV in case you missed his response. Add someone to your trust list if you see they are using the Feedback system correctly and have a good trust list. Distrust someone when you see they are using the feedback system incorrectly. You don't have to tag someone just because they using the system incorrectly. It's not rocket science that you don't understand.

@OP: Please read Trust flags, and after that, consider withdrawing your Flag.

As for your feedback:

Liar and fascist. He Launches false and irrational accusations, and deletes the messages that deny him.

You seem angry, which I get. But don't let it cloud your judgement. Please read my guide to correct use of the Trust system. Retaliation feedback makes you look bad, while you had a pretty strong case. I tend to take feedback without name calling more seriously.

[jokers10]

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It is right to leave a negative trust to a person who takes an action that harms you. And timelord acted with intent to harm me.

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It's not. Read this clarification from theymos. If you suppose that someone misuses the Trust system you should distust this user (add him with ~ in your Trust list), but not misuse the Trust system by yourself (not incorrectly tag anyone). Otherwise you'll be distusted by others, because of your own mistakes.

[LoyceV]

I encourage you to delete the feedback and make it neutral.

Agreed.

No, you can't say i'm the same as him. NO.

I don't accuse anyone. I don't say timelord is a scammer.

Negative feedback is meant for scammers. You've removed your previous BS tag, but unfortunately added a new one. With that, you're abusing the Trust system to complain about someone who abuses the Trust system:

This user left me unjust negative feedback without any reasons - Trust abuser

Don't you see the irony in that?
For the record: I don't believe trading with Timelord2067 is high risk. It's his judgement on others that's flawed, which is supposed to be handled by excluding him from your Trust list, not by leaving negative feedback.

It is right to leave a negative trust to a person who takes an action that harms you.

No it's not! The only reason I haven't excluded you from my Trust list yet is because because you're far from DT already. In the past days, you've gotten yourself several DT1-exclusions already. And that's exactly how the Trust system is supposed to work: if you use it incorrectly, your feedback will never mean anything.

Why go down this road? I really don't get it! Someone did something bad to you, the community sided with you and undid the damage. Now you're only making yourself look bad.

This is called Retaliation feedback.

Agreed.

@HedgeFX: the wording of your current feedback is accurate, it's only the color that's wrong (and damages your own reputation).

[HedgeFx]

I respect you ( like I respect many others here) : I’ll go to change color.

Thank for suggestions: anger drive me into this kind of mistake, sorry.

@HedgeFX: the wording of your current feedback is accurate, it's only the color that's wrong (and damages your own reputation).

[Plaguedeath]

Why go down this road? I really don't get it! Someone did something bad to you, the community sided with you and undid the damage. Now you're only making yourself look bad.

I think he's a stubborn person and won't listen to other users' opinion. When someone make a mistake, I can still forgive him because it might his first time react to this situation. But if he still stand with his opinion when everyone already told him, the problem is his behavior, not his ignorance.

I'm going to distrust both of @OP and @Timelord2067.

Edit:
Even @OP decided to change his feedback, I will wait for next few months to see his progress as he can easily change it back to red color.

[LoyceV]

I respect you ( like I respect many others here) : I’ll go to change color.

Thanks. The more people use the Trust system correctly, the more useful it is.

angry drive me into this kind of mistake, sorry.

Be more like the The Thick-Skinned Gang. Don't let the opinion of people who's opinion you don't value get to you.