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September 12, 2024, 06:02:46 AM Last edit: October 03, 2024, 02:28:07 PM by r00t3rs |
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UPDATE - OCTOBER 03, 2024 After a long battle, Chips.gg has returned my deposits to a wallet address of my choice and I think we can call it a day. I would like to thank everybody for pitching in and trying to help on this one  Short summary - Played on chips a month ago, won 8.3k in a few days, they blocked me immediately. Posted a thread here where they first pointed out that I had "violated' a bunch of their T&Cs but when pressed upon for further explanation, we hit a brick wall but agreed to return the deposits. OP - On September 10th 2024, I began using my account with Chips.gg and made several deposits to engage in betting on their platform. Initially, everything proceeded as expected. I even successfully withdrew a small amount of 20 USDT, which was processed and transferred to my crypto wallet without issue. However, after continued betting success, my account balance grew significantly to an amount of around 8350 USDT. Upon attempting to withdraw these winnings, my account was abruptly and completely blocked from accessing the site without any prior notice or valid reason provided. I am absolutely convinced that this account block is an intentional effort to avoid paying out my legitimate winnings. I am new to this forum so please let me know if I need to provide further details, Thanks!. EDITS -
when I said "CLOSE" I meant that they are not allowing me to withdraw from their website. I am posting the chat screenshot where they gave me this news. And there has been no reply ever since. I also dropped DMs to a couple of admins/moderators from their Telegram groups and all of them went unanswered and tried asking for help in their public chatroom after which they banned me. This is just outright shady. https://imgur.com/a/RccfEMlID on chips - r00t3rs I have now posted about this in their official announcement thread - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5277365.new#newScam ReportWhat happened:: Chips.gg online casino restricted access to withdrawal without any detailed explanation Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2847454 Reference Link: chips.gg Amount Scammed: USDT 8350 Payment Method: USDT Proof of Payment: https://imgur.com/a/pyV40E9 PM/Chat Logs: https://imgur.com/a/RccfEMl Additional Notes: Sent them several emails which have gone unanswered.
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September 12, 2024, 07:50:48 AM |
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But what is the reason the gambling site disabled your withdrawal? The casino gave no reason yet? This is the gambling site announcement thread on this forum: Chips.gg | CASINO & SPORTSBOOK | 200% DEPOSIT BONUS | 3000+ GAMESThis is their official account on this forum: chipsggYou can send the official account PM and tell him what happened. Also you can post your accusation on their announcement thread.
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On September 10th 2024, I began using my account with Chips.gg and made several deposits to engage in betting on their platform. Initially, everything proceeded as expected. I even successfully withdrew a small amount of 20 USDT, which was processed and transferred to my crypto wallet without issue.
However, after continued betting success, my account balance grew significantly to an amount of around 8350 USDT. Upon attempting to withdraw these winnings, my account was abruptly and completely blocked from accessing the site without any prior notice or valid reason provided.
I am absolutely convinced that this account block is an intentional effort to avoid paying out my legitimate winnings.
I am new to this forum so please let me know if I need to provide further details, Thanks!.
Given you no longer have any access to your account, thus will be unavailable to provide screenshot of betting, deposit, withdrawal, and any other history, can you perhaps at least provide a screenshot of the message saying you're blocked from your account when you try to log in? Also, can you perhaps reach to their live support and ask for explanation? Make screenshots of them as well.
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September 12, 2024, 02:40:31 PM |
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As holydarkness said, at least provide a screenshot of your current screen where it shows that your account is blocked. Or did you mean that you cannot access their website at all? Remember that sometimes ISP block certain casino websites, so you cannot access them. You can try a different internet connection or a VPN to check if you can access their website.
If you can access the website but cannot log in, then try to contact their live support and ask them what is wrong. Take a screenshot of the conversation and share it with the community. If you cannot contact live support, try sending them an email and see if you get a response.
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September 14, 2024, 05:44:41 AM Last edit: September 14, 2024, 09:42:25 PM by Mr. Big |
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But what is the reason the gambling site disabled your withdrawal? The casino gave no reason yet? This is the gambling site announcement thread on this forum: Chips.gg | CASINO & SPORTSBOOK | 200% DEPOSIT BONUS | 3000+ GAMESThis is their official account on this forum: chipsggYou can send the official account PM and tell him what happened. Also you can post your accusation on their announcement thread. Thanks, but I am unable to PM them due to their setting, and to answer your question, I was given no explanation on the ban and they just send a message on live chat with a bunch of sections of ToS which sound extremely vague. https://imgur.com/a/RccfEMl
On September 10th 2024, I began using my account with Chips.gg and made several deposits to engage in betting on their platform. Initially, everything proceeded as expected. I even successfully withdrew a small amount of 20 USDT, which was processed and transferred to my crypto wallet without issue.
However, after continued betting success, my account balance grew significantly to an amount of around 8350 USDT. Upon attempting to withdraw these winnings, my account was abruptly and completely blocked from accessing the site without any prior notice or valid reason provided.
I am absolutely convinced that this account block is an intentional effort to avoid paying out my legitimate winnings.
I am new to this forum so please let me know if I need to provide further details, Thanks!.
Given you no longer have any access to your account, thus will be unavailable to provide screenshot of betting, deposit, withdrawal, and any other history, can you perhaps at least provide a screenshot of the message saying you're blocked from your account when you try to log in? Also, can you perhaps reach to their live support and ask for explanation? Make screenshots of them as well. Hi, apologies for late reply, when I said "CLOSE" I meant that they are not allowing me to withdraw from their website. I am posting the chat screenshot where they gave me this news. And there has been no reply ever since. https://imgur.com/a/RccfEMl@chipsgg would appreciate your help on this. My Id on Chips - r00t3rs I have emailed them as well but they have not responded to that either.
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September 14, 2024, 04:58:06 PM |
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Given you no longer have any access to your account, thus will be unavailable to provide screenshot of betting, deposit, withdrawal, and any other history, can you perhaps at least provide a screenshot of the message saying you're blocked from your account when you try to log in? Also, can you perhaps reach to their live support and ask for explanation? Make screenshots of them as well.
Hi, apologies for late reply, when I said "CLOSE" I meant that they are not allowing me to withdraw from their website. I am posting the chat screenshot where they gave me this news. And there has been no reply ever since. https://imgur.com/a/RccfEMl@chipsgg would appreciate your help on this. My Id on Chips - r00t3rs I have emailed them as well but they have not responded to that either. I correctly understand that you still have access to your account? Can you perhaps show screenshot of the amount that being held [i.e. your balance] and that you can't withdraw them? I think it'll be a pop-up message saying that withdrawal is being rejected and you need to contact support or a log of withdrawal stating that the requests are rejected.
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September 14, 2024, 05:05:38 PM |
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Given you no longer have any access to your account, thus will be unavailable to provide screenshot of betting, deposit, withdrawal, and any other history, can you perhaps at least provide a screenshot of the message saying you're blocked from your account when you try to log in? Also, can you perhaps reach to their live support and ask for explanation? Make screenshots of them as well.
Hi, apologies for late reply, when I said "CLOSE" I meant that they are not allowing me to withdraw from their website. I am posting the chat screenshot where they gave me this news. And there has been no reply ever since. https://imgur.com/a/RccfEMl@chipsgg would appreciate your help on this. My Id on Chips - r00t3rs I have emailed them as well but they have not responded to that either. I correctly understand that you still have access to your account? Can you perhaps show screenshot of the amount that being held [i.e. your balance] and that you can't withdraw them? I think it'll be a pop-up message saying that withdrawal is being rejected and you need to contact support or a log of withdrawal stating that the requests are rejected. Thanks for your response. As soon as I posted here and on their official thread, they have banned me. This is some extremely shady behaviour on their end. I don't think they like it that I'm making so much of noise. But luckily I had taken some screenshots before, attaching everything I have. https://imgur.com/a/kFrlG0Vhttps://imgur.com/a/pyV40E9(These are the deposits) https://imgur.com/a/Bp6a7gH(You can see my balance at the top in this screenshot, I had uploaded this to Anjoun gaming commission)
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September 14, 2024, 05:16:07 PM |
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Thanks for your response. As soon as I posted here and on their official thread, they have banned me. This is some extremely shady behaviour on their end. I don't think they like it that I'm making so much of noise. But luckily I had taken some screenshots before, attaching everything I have. https://imgur.com/a/kFrlG0V https://imgur.com/a/pyV40E9(These are the deposits) https://imgur.com/a/Bp6a7gH(You can see my balance at the top in this screenshot, I had uploaded this to Anjoun gaming commission) [Reuploading the image to talkimg, for easier understanding for those who follow this thread] Thank you, these are the evidence I needed. With these in hand, allow me to try to PM their rep, see if we can get this resolved. I know that their previous case was rather... mysterious, to say the least, but hey maybe they're changing and doing better now. Please hold.
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September 14, 2024, 05:16:14 PM |
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I also dropped DMs to a couple of admins/moderators from their Telegram groups and all of them went unanswered and tried asking for help in their public chatroom after which they banned me. This is just outright shady.
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September 14, 2024, 05:22:24 PM |
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[Reuploading the image to talkimg, for easier understanding for those who follow this thread] Thank you, these are the evidence I needed. With these in hand, allow me to try to PM their rep, see if we can get this resolved. I know that their previous case was rather... mysterious, to say the least, but hey maybe they're changing and doing better now. Please hold. Thanks a lot for your assistance, you're a godsend  I'm keen on exposing them for what they are... I was ok-ish until they atleast allowed me to access the account but once they banned me outright to try and silence me, I'm even more motivated to see this to an end.
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September 14, 2024, 05:25:31 PM |
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I also dropped DMs to a couple of admins/moderators from their Telegram groups and all of them went unanswered and tried asking for help in their public chatroom after which they banned me. This is just outright shady.
Thanks a lot for your assistance, you're a godsend  I'm keen on exposing them for what they are... I was ok-ish until they atleast allowed me to access the account but once they banned me outright to try and silence me, I'm even more motivated to see this to an end. I sent their rep on this forum a PM few minutes ago. I am completely aware that you've submitted your complaint to anjouan, of which, though I am rather not familiar with them and on how they operate, I will assume they work like the master license holders of Curacao, where they will want you to exhaust each and every possible mediation possible prior to escalating it to them. Of which... since you've escalated to anjouan, it should relieved Chips from a "duty" to respond you here as their sole focus should now be to address inquiries by Anjouan. But hey, fingers crossed that they're willing to pop in here and give their side.
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September 14, 2024, 05:31:58 PM |
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I also dropped DMs to a couple of admins/moderators from their Telegram groups and all of them went unanswered and tried asking for help in their public chatroom after which they banned me. This is just outright shady.
Thanks a lot for your assistance, you're a godsend  I'm keen on exposing them for what they are... I was ok-ish until they atleast allowed me to access the account but once they banned me outright to try and silence me, I'm even more motivated to see this to an end. I sent their rep on this forum a PM few minutes ago. I am completely aware that you've submitted your complaint to anjouan, of which, though I am rather not familiar with them and on how they operate, I will assume they work like the master license holders of Curacao, where they will want you to exhaust each and every possible mediation possible prior to escalating it to them. Of which... since you've escalated to anjouan, it should relieved Chips from a "duty" to respond you here as their sole focus should now be to address inquiries by Anjouan. But hey, fingers crossed that they're willing to pop in here and give their side. Anjoun has not opened an official enquiry, I just submitted the details there. I just want to hear their side but they have been trying to silence me non-stop, I have been nothing but polite, muting me from public chats etc sounds rather petty.
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September 14, 2024, 08:08:59 PM |
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But what is the reason the gambling site disabled your withdrawal? The casino gave no reason yet? This is the gambling site announcement thread on this forum: Chips.gg | CASINO & SPORTSBOOK | 200% DEPOSIT BONUS | 3000+ GAMESThis is their official account on this forum: chipsggYou can send the official account PM and tell him what happened. Also you can post your accusation on their announcement thread. Thanks, but I am unable to PM them due to their setting, and to answer your question, I was given no explanation on the ban and they just send a message on live chat with a bunch of sections of ToS which sound extremely vague. https://imgur.com/a/RccfEMlHello OP, Thank you for taking the time to make this post. Firstly, you were not ignored. You were informed clearly of the terms on September, 11th 2024 -- days before your account was fully closed. After review of your betting history and the consideration of our bookmaker, the decision resulting in your account being limited and eventually closed was made. Furthermore, our evidence shows you were accessing the casino using the VPN service "HideMyAss". You seemingly already know why your betting was restricted, as stated in your own email to us: "I placed a value bet ... The bookmaker simply failed to account for that." Arbitrage and/or value betting is a well known strategy, which is not allowed and considered to be abuse by bookmakers and casinos alike. These betting patterns and/or behaviors will get you the same result on any bookmaker or casino. Further evidence of this behavior would be your own screenshot showing you are on multiple books: https://imgur.com/a/RccfEMl. This very same topic has also been debated on this forum multiple times among other places. For your convenience, you can read more here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5480696.msg63456602#msg63456602https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5437136.0https://sumsub.com/blog/arbitrage-gambling/https://www.idenfy.com/blog/arbitrage-sports-betting/https://readwrite.com/gambling/guides/arbitrage-betting/
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September 15, 2024, 06:23:31 AM Last edit: September 15, 2024, 06:18:10 PM by r00t3rs |
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But what is the reason the gambling site disabled your withdrawal? The casino gave no reason yet? This is the gambling site announcement thread on this forum: Chips.gg | CASINO & SPORTSBOOK | 200% DEPOSIT BONUS | 3000+ GAMESThis is their official account on this forum: chipsggYou can send the official account PM and tell him what happened. Also you can post your accusation on their announcement thread. Thanks, but I am unable to PM them due to their setting, and to answer your question, I was given no explanation on the ban and they just send a message on live chat with a bunch of sections of ToS which sound extremely vague. https://imgur.com/a/RccfEMlHello OP, Thank you for taking the time to make this post. Firstly, you were not ignored. You were informed clearly of the terms on September, 11th 2024 -- days before your account was fully closed. After review of your betting history and the consideration of our bookmaker, the decision resulting in your account being limited and eventually closed was made. Furthermore, our evidence shows you were accessing the casino using the VPN service "HideMyAss". You seemingly already know why your betting was restricted, as stated in your own email to us: "I placed a value bet ... The bookmaker simply failed to account for that." Arbitrage and/or value betting is a well known strategy, which is not allowed and considered to be abuse by bookmakers and casinos alike. These betting patterns and/or behaviors will get you the same result on any bookmaker or casino. Further evidence of this behavior would be your own screenshot showing you are on multiple books: https://imgur.com/a/RccfEMl. This very same topic has also been debated on this forum multiple times among other places. For your convenience, you can read more here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5480696.msg63456602#msg63456602https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5437136.0https://sumsub.com/blog/arbitrage-gambling/https://www.idenfy.com/blog/arbitrage-sports-betting/https://readwrite.com/gambling/guides/arbitrage-betting/Hi thanks for your quick response, appreciate it. I am going to dig into each and every point you made and how it's far from target. I will firmly challenge the legitimacy of your claims regarding both the closure of my account and the accusation of arbitrage betting. Your assertions are not only unfounded but also a misinterpretation of the betting activities I engaged in on your platform. 1. Clarification on Value Betting vs. Arbitrage The bet in question on the UAE Domestic T10 cricket match, where I backed the team ABX Rent a Car, was not arbitrage betting. It was a value bet based on the clear fact that Team BCI’s key players were missing, and your bookmaker’s odds did not account for that. The odds offered at 1.7 were inaccurately high when, based on team conditions, they should have been closer to 1.2. Identifying and capitalizing on mispriced odds is a legitimate betting strategy—value betting, not arbitrage. In no way did I place opposing bets on other outcomes to guarantee a profit, which is what arbitrage entails. 2. Lack of Evidence for Arbitrage You reference arbitrage and suggest that my bet was part of such a strategy. To substantiate such an accusation, you would need clear proof that I placed bets on all possible outcomes across multiple bookmakers to ensure a guaranteed profit. Since you do not have access to my betting activities on other platforms, it is impossible for you to definitively prove this. You cannot rely on conjecture and isolated betting patterns on your platform alone to make such a serious accusation. Additionally, the screenshot you refer to simply shows that I use multiple platforms, which is a common practice among experienced bettors. Using multiple bookmakers is not evidence of arbitrage; it is a smart way to access better odds and different markets. 3. Transparency and Arbitrary Rule Enforcement Your terms and conditions do not clearly prohibit value betting, nor is there any explicit ban on placing bets based on accurate analysis of team conditions or market mispricing. It appears that you are attempting to retroactively enforce vague rules around betting patterns after your bookmaker's failure to correctly price the match. If your platform cannot handle bettors who take advantage of such legitimate opportunities, that is an issue with your odds-setting process—not my betting behavior. I strongly refute any suggestion that taking advantage of mispriced odds constitutes foul play. 4. VPN UsageYou’ve also mentioned my use of a VPN service. Your terms do not explicitly ban VPN use, and as far as I am aware, using a VPN for privacy purposes does not violate any stated policies unless it is being used to circumvent geo-restrictions or other rules. Your failure to clearly state this in your terms adds further weight to the argument that your enforcement of these policies is arbitrary. 5. Explanation on BanBelow I am mentioning the sections which you think I have violated. Section 3.3: The Sportsbook platform reserves the right to refuse, restrict, cancel, or limit any bet. Section 3.13: The Sportsbook platform reserves the right to suspend a client account without prior notice. Section 13: If you breach any provision of these Terms and Conditions, or if we have reasonable grounds to suspect such a breach, we reserve the right to not open, suspend, or close your Member Account, withhold payment of your winnings, and apply such funds to any damages due by you. I have carefully reviewed your claim regarding my alleged violation of their terms and conditions, and I find your accusations entirely baseless. The sections they reference, 3.3. 3.13 and 13 do not point to any concrete violation on my part. These clauses are nothing but vague, overreaching statements designed to give the operator full control to act as you see fit without justification. I have not breached any rules or terms, and your reliance on these sections is a clear attempt to deflect from your obligation to pay out what I rightfully won. There is no specific accusation or evidence of any wrongdoing on my part—just an arbitrary assertion that you can do whatever you wish under the guise of these catch-all clauses. 6. Resolution Expectations I have complied with the rules set forth in your terms and conditions, and your claims of arbitrage and rule violations are both unsubstantiated and unfair. If this issue is not resolved promptly and transparently, I will escalate the matter to relevant gambling regulators. Furthermore, I will ensure that the community of subscribers I referred to your platform is fully informed of this situation and advise them accordingly. I further DMed several of your reps over telegram and public chat but you guys decided to mute me. I expect you to reconsider your stance and provide a fair and prompt resolution to this matter. Best regards,
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September 16, 2024, 07:56:54 PM |
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Hello OP, Thank you for taking the time to make this post. Firstly, you were not ignored. You were informed clearly of the terms on September, 11th 2024 -- days before your account was fully closed. After review of your betting history and the consideration of our bookmaker, the decision resulting in your account being limited and eventually closed was made. Furthermore, our evidence shows you were accessing the casino using the VPN service "HideMyAss". You seemingly already know why your betting was restricted, as stated in your own email to us: "I placed a value bet ... The bookmaker simply failed to account for that." Arbitrage and/or value betting is a well known strategy, which is not allowed and considered to be abuse by bookmakers and casinos alike. These betting patterns and/or behaviors will get you the same result on any bookmaker or casino. Further evidence of this behavior would be your own screenshot showing you are on multiple books: https://imgur.com/a/RccfEMl. I mean really! You are all over the place, shooting arrows in the dark. Stop these pathetic, lame excuses; otherwise, you will dig a deeper hole here for your platform. I suspect you don't even have enough funds to run a legitimate crypto casino (you can prove me wrong by showing proof of funds!). 
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In this thread, you can witness - in the real time - how a crypto casino just lost hundreds or even thousands of potential customers by failing to resolve an issue with just one.
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Hello OP, Thank you for taking the time to make this post. Firstly, you were not ignored. You were informed clearly of the terms on September, 11th 2024 -- days before your account was fully closed. After review of your betting history and the consideration of our bookmaker, the decision resulting in your account being limited and eventually closed was made. Furthermore, our evidence shows you were accessing the casino using the VPN service "HideMyAss". You seemingly already know why your betting was restricted, as stated in your own email to us: "I placed a value bet ... The bookmaker simply failed to account for that." Arbitrage and/or value betting is a well known strategy, which is not allowed and considered to be abuse by bookmakers and casinos alike. These betting patterns and/or behaviors will get you the same result on any bookmaker or casino. Further evidence of this behavior would be your own screenshot showing you are on multiple books: https://imgur.com/a/RccfEMl. I mean really! You are all over the place, shooting arrows in the dark. Stop these pathetic, lame excuses; otherwise, you will dig a deeper hole here for your platform. I suspect you don't even have enough funds to run a legitimate crypto casino (you can prove me wrong by showing proof of funds!). https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/09/16/BlO6D.jpegThanks lmao, it's laughable really. Arbitrage apparently when I backed a single team. Probably thought I'll go to bed after looking at the long reply 😂
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holydarkness
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Few things that worth stressing [since OP already made a good explanation few posts above], arbitrage betting is not the same as value betting.
I think I can go on and on and on about why it should be allowed and not allowed at the same time, as this situation has been discussed over and over upon many cases and occasions that I am sure more than what my fingers can count.
Bottomline is, OP, you hit a brick wall here.
Neither you nor the casino will want to budge. You insist it's allowed for reasons you mentioned above, they insist it's against their rules, you insist that you're not arbing, just value betting, they insist that you're arbing and not value betting [of which, to be fair, actually there is a way for casino to prove this, as they shared information cross-platforms, not to mention the providers also keep records and close monitors of the bets placed], and so on, and so on.
So, instead of beating the horse that's currently in a coma here, may I interest you on giving CasinoGuru a try? See if they have some wisdom to shed upon this matter. Of course, the general understanding that applies are the same, that both parties [as well as the overseer here] will adhere to the ruling made by CG.
I personally think that's the best path to pursue and you have at hand.
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September 17, 2024, 05:42:11 PM |
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Few things that worth stressing [since OP already made a good explanation few posts above], arbitrage betting is not the same as value betting.
I think I can go on and on and on about why it should be allowed and not allowed at the same time, as this situation has been discussed over and over upon many cases and occasions that I am sure more than what my fingers can count.
Bottomline is, OP, you hit a brick wall here.
Neither you nor the casino will want to budge. You insist it's allowed for reasons you mentioned above, they insist it's against their rules, you insist that you're not arbing, just value betting, they insist that you're arbing and not value betting [of which, to be fair, actually there is a way for casino to prove this, as they shared information cross-platforms, not to mention the providers also keep records and close monitors of the bets placed], and so on, and so on.
So, instead of beating the horse that's currently in a coma here, may I interest you on giving CasinoGuru a try? See if they have some wisdom to shed upon this matter. Of course, the general understanding that applies are the same, that both parties [as well as the overseer here] will adhere to the ruling made by CG.
I personally think that's the best path to pursue and you have at hand.
But CG doesn't deal with sportsbook?
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holydarkness
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September 17, 2024, 05:48:40 PM |
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But CG doesn't deal with sportsbook?
Ohh... you're right. An oversight from my side. LOL. On that case, chipsgg, are you on other ADR platform that facilitate a sports-related dispute? I can't see you on AG, so I believe there goes the two [IMO] best ADR option. Or perhaps you have other suggestion on how should OP proceed to get this [as well as you can clear it beyond doubt] back in motion?
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