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Hi Folks,


I wrote a blog about my complete research "Finding Satoshi"


Chapter 1 - The Usual Suspects

https://whoissatoshi.wordpress.com/2016/01/27/the-usual-suspects/


Chapter 2 - Digital Evidence

https://whoissatoshi.wordpress.com/2016/01/27/digital-evidence/


Chapter 3 - Japanese Connection

https://whoissatoshi.wordpress.com/2016/01/27/japanese-connection/


Chapter 4  - Devil is in the details

https://whoissatoshi.wordpress.com/2016/01/27/devil-is-in-the-details/



Let me know know your comments.

Thanks,
Bounty Hunter.

P.S - Pawel, the polish guy is not Satoshi. I sent email and he replied.

In his own words

"Wow, I did not see that coming ;)

Sorry to disappoint you, but it's certainly not me who you're after.

Good luck in your further research,

Pawel"


You can appreciate my efforts with some bitcoins ;-)   BTC1DSoqWS1HS7dDqoPbnGLQ7zwwopB7hrRiU

Holy shit you're right.

I'm sad because it's not Gavin ;D

Interesting read. Although I think this discussion is completely pointless, my curiosity doesn't allow me to ignore it. Hope it's not another Hoax.

OMG! Here we go again! When are we leaving the crew (because it's certainly not a single individual) who created the paper alone? Bitcoin is the product of community developement, not just from a single individual!

Nice research and good articless but this may be pointless to debate

I doubt many people had this information in the western world, even more since any Pokemon fan would know that their creator's name was Satoshi Tajiri (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satoshi_Tajiri) and that this information is much easier to find. And yes, I had the same idea that our Satoshi might have been a Pokemon fan when he was young  :D (which would mean that he should be in his late twenties now).
Now I haven't read all the reasoning, since it's a lot of text, thus I don't know how right/wrong you are, but it seems like you invested a lot of time in this research. I feel a bit sad for Satoshi, though, who would like to remain anonymous but is tracked down by a large part of the community :-/
I guess this is the price of success.

I am sure that it is a single person. I always said that to me, and if it was proved that it was a group of person, I'd have an heart attack ;D !

Welcome to the forum Bounty Hunter.
Really interesting first post, thanks for helping find the real Satoshi.  :)

I totally agree, he has every right to be anonymous.

But the man deserves to get credit for the greatest innovation of the century.

It was worth reading, I thought this could have been just more clickbait nonsense, but was at least interesting. I like how you make the connections from the 2 japanese authors. But honestly, this is not final proof of anything. You could haven made the thread "I THINK I have found Satoshi Nakamoto" to make it little bit less click baitish.

Good effort for what I see. Sometimes one just have to put some bait in the thread for other people to consider it. Although many say it does not matter who satoshi is (and I agree) it always brings about some interest :)

:sniffle:

 :-*

Trust me, if you knew the piece of human excrement I had to deal with over it you'd understand, she'll never let me be happy. EVER

So we can conclude from this that Adam Back was not Satoshi, if he communicated with him on his ideas. It is a very interesting angle on this whole

mystery and I would like to know a bit more. We can see that you put a lot of effort into your research and it shows in your final product. So what

happened to this student  ---> Pawel Pszona?  ::) ....While we playing with this idea, we might just entertain the possibility and have some fun.

https://eprint.iacr.org/2007/216.pdf

doesnt sound like bitcoin to me.

Holy crap!  I can't believe Ralph Waldo Emerson is Satoshi Nakamoto!!  It makes perfect sense though.  Look - a line of his poem "The over-soul" which can be roughly translated as "The block-chain": "We live in succession, in division, in parts, in particles."

 Also look at his poem "Nature":

 "A subtle chain of countless rings
 The next unto the farthest brings;
 The eye reads omens where it goes,
 And speaks all languages the rose;
 And, striving to be man, the worm
 Mounts through all the spires of form."


 and this from his "Introductory lecture on the Times":

"There is a perfect chain, — see it, or see it not, — of reforms emerging from the surrounding darkness, each cherishing some part of the general idea, and all must be seen, in order to do justice to any one. Seen in this their natural connection, they are sublime. The conscience of the Age demonstrates itself in this effort to raise the life of man by putting it in harmony with his idea of the Beautiful and the Just."  <--- that IS bitcoin! He nailed it!


 Excellent research!  I think you might be onto something there.

Yep:

Setup. This stage is executed by a bank only once for each coin value v = 2l−1 dollars.
1. The bank generates a chain of prime numbers p1, p2, . . . , pl+1 such that there exist
values νi < 2
k and pi+1 = νipi + 1 (i = 1, . . . , l), where k is a parameter.
Furthermore, the bank generates groups Gp1
, . . . , Gpl
such that Gpi
is a subgroup of
order pi of Z
∗
pi+1
and Gpi =< gpi > (Gpi
is a cyclic group generated by gpi
).
Then the bank chooses elements h(1,0), h(1,1) ∈ Gp1
, h(2,0), h(2,1) ∈ Gp2
, . . ., h(l,0),
h(l,1) ∈ Gpl
such that discrete logarithms between them and their respective group’s
generators are unknown.
2. The bank creates an empty database for storing the history of deposited payments.
Each payment’s entry contains x-values and T -values for all leaves that are descendants
of a spent node and an additional value R (a pseudorandom number used in
the payment protocol – it will be discussed later).
The database should also enable efficient searching for x-values (e.g., it could be sorted
by x-values).
3. The bank sets up parameters for CL signatures (i.e., n = pq and a cyclic group G of
order n).
4. The bank chooses a group G of prime order p (p > pl+1), and picks its generators
g, gˆ ∈ G.
Then the bank makes all generated values public.

its not. even the writing style let alone the content being different. what the OP doesnt understand is that making currency is a game thats been played even as far back as the cavemen trading fruits for sexual favours with the cave women.

there are literally millions of people working on currency creation and thousands working on similar concepts.
whats next because satoshi said he was working on it since 2007.. and then the new theory of the 2007 paper the OP links to means they were working on it before 2007 (hint: which debunks the satoshi 18month idea by the way)

will the OP consider satoshi miscalculted his 18months.. to then work further back and maybe come across W, dai 1998.. or will the OP go back to 2008 and then try a different angle.

i can name atleast 50 people that had similar concepts between 2005-2008. and maybe a dozen before that.

happy hunting

I'm not Japanese.

Edit: Oops I've posted from wrong account.

You are missing an important point here.

Satoshi mainly solved two important things

1. No Trusted Third Party

2. Solve Double Spending without a centralized third party.

The papers discusses both these things.

I quote Gavin from the fortune article.

"There was also a lot of talk back then about digital cash and whether there was a way to pay for things that doesn’t require you to trust a government or central authority. They never quite figured that part out. So all the ideas were there, but until Satoshi Nakamoto had this brilliant idea of how to solve the trust problem, it never really took off."

http://fortune.com/2015/01/22/qa-gavin-andresen-bitcoin-foundation/

You are making assumptions where they are not ready to be made. A pokemon fan does not have to be a kid, especially in a country like Japan. Adults watch anime all the time there, including pokemon.

Also, satoshi never specifically asked not to be traced. He just disappeared and never replied any more. This can be due to many reasons, one being that he doens't want to be found, but he could also have died for instance (even though that is highly unlikely).

Let's say for one moment this is not a joke and based on a real person... then we might have to prepare ourselves for another round of " Dorian

Nakamoto " It is one thing to finger fictitious people, but when the media catch wind of this, they will just go on a witch hunt again and ruin someone's

life again. I hope this is just some clickbait blog and not the real thing.... I would much prefer that Satoshi remain hidden... it adds to the Mystique.  

btc paper is more "elaborated" than this one... that is more likely a phd thesis.... in some crypto arguments...
I have write a post one time about "the technical" requirements for a paper like this... is not easy, absolutely!
Even impossible for only one researcher, or a "small" groups.
But good research! I like your findings about "Naka - Moto" really nice !

This is a good theory and I've looked at at least one of those people - check my post history (I think its in one my BCT posts anyway).  However, why is this theory better than any other (not saying its wrong, I do like this work)?  

This theory needs to account for some additional facts I think.  For example, how does it explain this:

https://cryptome.org/2013/11/bitcoin-pirate-nakamoto.pdf (you can find this document by searching Hacking Team's cache on wikileaks, along with some of their emails discussing the topic).

and these:

http://www.iamsatoshi.com/free-market-and-free-people/
http://www.iamsatoshi.com/blockchain-politics-peter-todd/

 

@Mr.Felt - The wallet belongs to Dustin Trummel.

He wrote a detailed blog about the incident

http://blog.dustintrammell.com/2013/11/26/i-am-not-satoshi/

Had Ron and Shamir done even rudimentary research into the identities of said addresses, such as a search on the Bitcoin-OTC site, Bitcoin Talk forums, or even via a simple Google search, they could have easily found that the original very early source address in question (12higD) is, very publicly, one of mine and not one of Satoshi’s as they insinuate in their paper.  This has left many people on the Bitcoin Talk forums, Reddit, and elsewhere to speculate regarding the identity of the subsequent addresses that Bitcoins were sent to from my addresses, and the owners of such addresses, as Ron and Shamir’s paper insinuates that they are related to Silk Road.

i doubt that someone will actually ever find satoshi nakamoto as the team or the person was highly anonymous and they were prepared for everything in my opinion

Nice, thanks for the link.  Will read later.

Dude,you put me in a dilemma now! Had Satoshi Nakaomoto being a single person,how would he set up the entire genesis block himself?There are couple of facts mentioned which are too certain to be true while other's are just useless assumptions created to fill in the purpose.Anyhow the article doesn't totally convince me but certainly does make me wannna research more on the facts you have mentioned.

Does it really matter who he is? The most important thing is that he left us a valuable thing and to be honest he has all the reasons to remain in private. so let's respect that wish.

The more plausible theories there are, the more uncertainty there is due to saturation.  Get it?  8)

Gotta disagree with you here, there's no way a complex stuff like Bitcoin can be developed by a single person
I think it's gotta be developed by a group member or some sort
Or maybe it was a part of something larger than we don't know about
*Conspiracy intensifies
:P

So Pawel Pszona is the man behind Satoshi Nakamoto?
What about Grzegorz Stachowiak? His sidekick or something? :P

There is a Satoshi in every Bitcoin enthusiast so what else do we need.. enjoy the ride folks!

He was just a guide and nothing much. Pawel worked on bitcoin after leaving University. He loves C++

Pawel seems to be very good with Algorithms.

When I saw it was your first post I told myself "damn, one more non sense noob trying to find out who's Satoshi".

But I have to say it was an interesting reading. Your articles are well constructed. I'll keep an eye to what you do.

I'm still not sure who Satoshi is and I'm not sure anyone would find out but anyway. Keep searching. In my opinion it's a single individual. I would be surprised if Satoshi was a group of person.

(The pokemon thing made me laugh :D)

http://arxiv.org/abs/1308.6711


Streamed Graph Drawing and the File Maintenance Problem
Michael T. Goodrich, Paweł Pszona
(Submitted on 30 Aug 2013)

After finding Pawel's paper. I seriously doubt Gavin knew the guy from the start or atleast when Satoshi left.

Check this

I quote Gavin from WSJ

“I think he’s an academic, maybe a post-doc, maybe a professor who just doesn’t want the attention,” said Gavin Andresen in an interview at his one-man office in Amherst, Mass., last month. “And that’s why he’s proven anonymous.”

wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/03/06/bitcoin-foundations-andresen-on-working-with-satoshi-nakamoto/

May 19, 2014:

"Paweł is a theoretical computer scientist, supervised by Mike Goodrich...very recently published another paper with me and others on cuckoo hashing on storage devices with limited rewrite capacity. After he finishes he will be joining navigation-system company TomTom in Berlin."


http://11011110.livejournal.com/289432.html

Here's another Usual Suspect: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217732.msg0;boardseen#new

I see.

Keep up the good work and I hope one day you can rename this thread title back to "I found Satoshi Nakamoto". ::)

His Research papers

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Pawel_Pszona/

His University Profile

https://web.archive.org/web/20110623201333/http://www.ics.uci.edu/~ppszona/

Wayback Machine June, 2011 reveals Pawel's page at UCI.

Paweł Pszona

Ph.D. student
Department of Computer Science
University of California, Irvine
Donald Bren Hall
Irvine, CA 92697-3435

office: 4084 Donald Bren Hall
e-mail: ppszona AT ics.uci.edu

About me

I'm a second year graduate student at UC Irvine. My adviser is Michael Goodrich. I graduated with a M.Sc. in Computer Science from University of Wrocław in 2007. I joined UCI in Fall 2009. Prior to that I worked for ADB Polska.

Calm down and think a bit. It makes much more sense that it's a group instead of a single individual. I'm with the russian, it's clear that the development of blockchain technology required multi-area expertise, and a team of individuals is the perfect image I get in my head when I think about that.

I just don't get all this fuzz about finding the guy who created it. What do you want with him? Worship him? Beat him up for being so smart? Leave the guy (or girl) alone, for once!

Still I have to disagree: few adults would watch Pokemon even in Japan, as it's definitely aimed for kids and young teenagers. I have a bunch of Japanese friends in their twenties (being myself in my twenties) and they indeed occasionally read mangas and probably watch anime (still I have to insist on the "occasionally" because Japan is a country where you'd easily get marginalized if you spend too much time on these), but I'd be surprised that they'd watch Pokemon. I can ask around if you want. I admit that I never did. But I'm pretty sure of the answer I'll get: Pokemon is for kids (and ok, nostalgic adults too, every now and then).

But I'm not pretending to hold the truth regarding the origin of the name Satoshi. I'm just going with my own assumption that if Satoshi is indeed a pseudonym, there's a possibility that it was chosen by a western pokemon fan born between 1985 and 1995. These are just my thoughts though. Don't sweat it: I have no evidence that what I'm saying is true. You could say I'm just talking out of my ass  :D . Especially if the guy is really Japanese but Satoshi is still a pseudonym, then chances would become really super slim that it would be because of Pokemon's creator, since he'd have a much more developed background regarding Japanese names.

Good read. Leave your BTC address for donations in first post or on your webpage, since changetip doesn't work on bitcointalk...

Okay, I haven't read the research posted yet (I will), but I do have some thoughts on the post.  Those two enumerated aspects were problems that were discussed often in the circles of cryptography.  They WERE the main problem with creating a digital currency.  Now, if there were papers that had the solution to these problems....that'd be something!  I can't wait to read the research however.

Anybody remember SETI @ Home or Stanfords Folding @ Home projects.....???  Apply the solutions to the Trust and Double Spend problems to SETI @ HOME or Folding @ Home....And, we're pretty close to a digital currency....those thoughts were rolling around for awhile....

no one is disputing that he was not working in a team.. he was talking to lots of people and grabbing idea's leftright and centre.. even on day1 there was atleast 3 people mining, and helping code new stuff..

the dispute is not if he is a team player or not.. the dispute is if the pseudonym itself was used by more than one person..

and it seems that satoshi was one entity, one person. but was not afraid to be open source to let others play around with the code as separate entities

They did turn those into currency, after Bitcoin.  Folding@Home earns you Curecoins and Foldingcoins, and GridCoin pays for BOINC distributed computing.  You can trade those at multiple exchanges for Bitcoin right now.

But they still aren't fully decentralized.

You've been tipped, I hope that others will give you some credit for your work.
I enjoyed reading this.

Nice job Sherlock not that I really care about who he is. If this is real then he hidedhis identity for a long time.

Thanks Vene. I am trying to contact Pawel directly and ask him :-) There is no other way to confirm this as we are struck with circumstantial evidence only. Things will
be easy with digital evidence but Satoshi never leave any trace :)

He probably left plenty of traces, but back in the day people had no incentive to try and identify him.

If people were trying to figure out his identity, they would probably have it by now because it is near impossible to not leave any trace. Just look what happened to the silk road guy. One tiny mistake is enough to reveal your identity online.

no one needs to find satoshi and in my opinion this will never be done because satoshi did not want to be revealed and never will be revealed

Can you now try to find who stole the coins from Cryptsy?

Theymos

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178330.msg1869406#msg1869406

I'll probably release Satoshi's PMs and logged IPs addresses in ~8 years. This'd probably be of great historical interest. (Though he always used Tor, as far as I can tell.)

Indeed.

a phd can't NEVER develop a sw like btc. also for ethical aspects.
Satoshi Nakamoto can't be "one", it can't be youg, "probably a team" .
 

well I have work in a Boinc project and they know so deeply and well bitcoin before vast majority here :)

but who as ever try a developing like a distributed computing?
is not easy and one person couldn't make...  ::) a protocol like this one

The Media Create group did a study on the demographics of Pokemon X & Y players, and they found a majority of them are college kids ages 19-24. This news bucks the claims that Nintendo’s games are only for kids. (http://playeressence.com/japanese-study-shows-majority-pokemon-x-y-players-college-kids/)

Full Disclosure: I found this neat tool called Google. In the search function thingy I plugged in "Pokémon demographics" sans quote thingies.

According to blockchain analysis, that was easy: Paul Vernon aka BigVern who didn't even have his head of security, Horus, look into the event in spite of Horus having a degree in the field.

Are they suspecting Alerj78 for this hack?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=295157.msg6861797#msg6861797

satoshi appeared for the first time in August 2008. he wrote a email to Wei Dai mentioned he have had communication with Adam Back before.

http://www.gwern.net/docs/2008-nakamoto#emails


the key is Adam Back. try to search with this key.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Back

This paper is definitely interesting, but it appears to cover unlinkability using zero knowledge proofs. This was not implemented in Bitcoin.

;D
but good jobs for you @BountyHunter2012 ,for create a new reference

Everyone knows that. But I think that OP was trying to identify 1 of those members. Don't dis his work, even though it is completely fictional.

There's no reason satoshi has to be a group of people. 

We know about Wei Dai, Nick Szabo, Adam Back, Hal Finney, and all the people who contributed to cryptography, public key cryptography, hashing algorithms - all of these people contributed to the ideas behind Bitcoin.  Even the guy who created Bittorrent helped pave the way for P2P networking.  There are countless people whose work made Bitcoin possible.

But none of those people kept their identities secret.  Why would they suddenly all agree to start making their work anonymous?

It's possible that satoshi put together their work into something new, without their direct involvement.  And based on the small number of people mining after launch, it couldn't have been a very large group of people.  There definitely weren't a large number of computers involved, which means it was probably just a few normal people with regular cheap computers and not a lot of money, resources, or connections to help get this project going. 

Hal Finney was probably the closest thing satoshi had to a partner, and his role was mostly limited to testing the first transaction.  He only mined a few blocks.  So if satoshi's choice for the first transaction recipient wouldn't even run a computer to help maintain the network, then where was this supposed group of people working together?

If you think it would take lots of people to help refine the code, then you are correct.  Lots of people from Bitcointalk have been contributing code for years.  Bitcoin was far from a finished product when satoshi released it, and it's still not finished.  So if it was designed by an elite group of geniuses, why have they needed so much constant outside help? 

There's no proof either way;  some people think the evidence suggests a group of people, but the evidence can also point to a single person.

http://www.gwern.net/images/2008-nakamoto-abstract-wdiff.png

I could envision a Polish dude well-versed in the English language still requiring a helping hand in clarifying the verbiage more betterer.

Very compelling with the comparison between the two documents.
Clearly either the same individual or someone plagiarized his work.

I suppose the question is now, if Pawel indeed wrote both documents, why would he use a fake name on the "Bitcoin" version?
What would be the purpose of that? Especially if the first version was published in 2007.

Satoshi sends email directly to Adam and then Adam refers Wei. Both Adam and Wei gets citations on the paper. Story ends there.

Adam Back was one of the first persons satoshi had contact. he went slience after first contact and appeared back in 2013. currently he is one of the most involved people into Bitcoin. story to be continued.

There's no reason satoshi has to be a group of people. 

We know about Wei Dai, Nick Szabo, Adam Back, Hal Finney, and all the people who contributed to cryptography, public key cryptography, hashing algorithms - all of these people contributed to the ideas behind Bitcoin.  Even the guy who created Bittorrent helped pave the way for P2P networking.  There are countless people whose work made Bitcoin possible.

But none of those people kept their identities secret.  Why would they suddenly all agree to start making their work anonymous?

It's possible that satoshi put together their work into something new, without their direct involvement.  And based on the small number of people mining after launch, it couldn't have been a very large group of people.  There definitely weren't a large number of computers involved, which means it was probably just a few normal people with regular cheap computers and not a lot of money, resources, or connections to help get this project going. 

Hal Finney was probably the closest thing satoshi had to a partner, and his role was mostly limited to testing the first transaction.  He only mined a few blocks.  So if satoshi's choice for the first transaction recipient wouldn't even run a computer to help maintain the network, then where was this supposed group of people working together?

If you think it would take lots of people to help refine the code, then you are correct.  Lots of people from Bitcointalk have been contributing code for years.  Bitcoin was far from a finished product when satoshi released it, and it's still not finished.  So if it was designed by an elite group of geniuses, why have they needed so much constant outside help? 

There's no proof either way;  some people think the evidence suggests a group of people, but the evidence can also point to a single person.
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Very valid points.

1. It doesn't need a group to come up with an algorithm that is unique and never done before

2. Every concept was already available. All Satoshi has to do is join them together. (hashcash, p2p, merkle, timestamp)

3. It doesn't need a group to mine genesis block, few PC's and resources would do.

4. If it was a group, for the kind of fame "Satoshi" have got today and with the kind of money involved, Someone in the group would come up by now to claim it for sure.

It was always a SINGLE person IMHO.

Both documents are the same with the second one (on right) being more grammatically correct, coupled with subtle changes for clarity. I was alluding to the left doc composed by a Pole well-versed in the English language but still missing the mark due to English not being his native tongue in spite of being highly schooled. Pawel either corrected the doc upon subsequent reads or another party making up Team Satoshi Nakamoto helped in cleaning up the prose while still maintaining the spirit of the original white paper. Some time between the two revisions, the term Bitcoin was coin with its domain name registered prior to the official release of the newly titled white paper.

Sadly, we don't have access to the complete original to see what else was 'doctored' (not nefariously), thus, perhaps, cementing or dismissing the notice.

This paper is completely unrelated to bitcoin other than using the word's digital cash. It it is typical for contemporary digital cash papers.

Hey, G, just wanted to let you know earlier today I viewed two YouTube videos of you (presenter; panelist) and enjoyed both your presentations.

based on my reading about him, it looks like he's not alone maybe its a group of Pokemon Fan Hahaha.

I don't get it???  Where was the paper on the left found?  

I found this paper: https://eprint.iacr.org/2007/216.pdf

But, it doesn't match this paper:  https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf

Am I missing something, or is this another poke at humor?


EDIT:  Nevermind, I get it now.

The left abstract comes from Wei's email. Satoshi send email to Wei asking about citation and with a draft of the Satoshi's abstract in the email:

http://www.gwern.net/docs/2008-nakamoto#emails

The full draft version of the bitcoin paper was here (link dead now): http://www.upload.ae/file/6157/ecash-pdf.html

The draft of the abstract from the email is the only thing left now, or at least made public.

Oh, okay!  I get it now.  The left version was Satoshi's original abstract (not published) and the right version is the edited published version.  I was trying to figure out how the left version could be associated with the Polish cryptographer.  I get it now.  Thanks...

It just seemed to me that the thought processes in Satoshi's paper were more similar to the processes published in this paper (http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-540-72540-4_28) rather than the ideas published in this paper (https://eprint.iacr.org/2007/216.pdf).

I am going with Pawel the student based on comments by Gavin.

 “Satoshi was a brilliant programmer,” Andresen said. “But he didn’t have a deep understanding of all the cutting edge crypto research that’s going on.”


Sebastian is an established cryptographer and knows in and out.

http://crypto.rd.francetelecom.com/people/Canard


https://youtu.be/rtI52BcFUoo?t=1929

So the idea was invented by Japanese scholars and integrated by a polish student?  And to show the respect to the original creator, he used a combination of their names  8) That's really decentralization

Detailed research but doesn't really prove anything..it's a directionless and never-ending debate..

I don't understand why people are after his identity instead of enjoying the power of bitcoin. It's pointless.

Por que no los dos?

What is that ? Is it a kind of short whitepaper produced by Satoshi to explain quickly what Bitcoin is ?

http://www.aston.ac.uk/news/releases/2014/april/researchers-uncover-likely-author-of-original-bitcoin-paper/

first, they did the research on the wrong "original" paper! satoshi may have asked Nick Szabo to rewrite the paper.




second, satoshi_main (code) may not be on the list of candidates in the article above. (my personal view he is not on the list)



third, if you ask somebody if he/she is satoshi he/she can easily deny it in case in the satoshi creation process were at least two persons involved. (following the distributed approach WE instead of ME)

e.g. satoshi_main (code), satoshi_2 (paper improvement peer), satoshi_3 (code improvement peer), satoshi_4 (public awareness establishing peer)


example where this happened to satoshi_2 (paper improvement peer):

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/17/business/decoding-the-enigma-of-satoshi-nakamoto-and-the-birth-of-bitcoin.html

it would be awesome if nakamoto put a bounty on himself that anyone on this forum figured out who he is
he`ll give a decent amount of btc who ever find him.  the research is interesting, but im not done reading it yet im still at chapter 4.

I incresinlgly believe that we will never find who the really Satoshi is.
It's already the most interesting part of bitcoin mystical history.

The biggest hurdle in finding Satoshi is lack of Digital evidence like IP address, Payment details, so on...

Satoshi's digitial foot prints either leads to anonymousspeech.com or TOR.  Both anonymous :)

Now everyone is struck with circumstantial evidence. When its circumstantial, anyone can be connected to Satoshi based on doubt.

Unlikely that an American would accidentally use UK spellings, but it is very likely that someone from the UK would just give up having to always correct forced American spellings.

Also - remember that reference to the 'Times' headline? It was a British newspaper.

greatest innovation? have you heard about the internet?

You put some work into this so good job...but Maybe it is time to let go of determining the identity of the creator of  Bitcoin.  For a very specific reason, the creator/creators wanted adamantly NOT to be discovered - or at least at this time in history to be discovered. 

that was the previous century...

he extended the decentralized aspect of internet to a payment system, that for me is revolutionary enough

He looks rich but He is not. All his wallets are Untouched and Unspent even now :)

Its great to know about it that his wallet is still untouched and unspent till now, then how he earns for his daily needs.

Expanding upon the tremendous works of others not practicing complete anonymity, Satoshi [Nakamoto] solved the double spending problem and established rules for the money supply of bitcoin, doing such from the get-go as a cloaked individual/entity. Why?

The dude who invented the paperclip base on metallurgy properties advanced by others didn't seem too concern about having his identity exposed (assuming we know who the dude is), with same true for tens of thousands of inventors advancing their inventions in all spaces.

There had to be a reason for creating and maintaining the enigma known as Satoshi Nakamoto.

I concur! Why are nation states funding the likes of NASA to explore the Cosmos when we could just sit back and enjoy its beauty every clear evening, then the moneys could be spent on more productive things like deeper swimming pools for bankers, or free lawn care for bankers, or banker conferences behind closed doors to discuss future closed door conferences attended only by bankers? Its pointless to for human nature to ask who, why, what, etc.

As many would claim, it was NEVER a ponzy scheme for him. He was more inclined towards the technology that could build Bitcoin. He never bothered to make money for himself. His unspent wallets speaks volumes about the man's integrity.

He wanted to be anonymous simply because he is not interested to get FAMOUS.

Interesting. Your URL has just been flagged on Hacker News when Mike Hearn himself (!) explained why Bitcoin took off: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11008126 (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11008126) (archive: http://archive.is/BDaCM (http://archive.is/BDaCM)).

Mike Hearn:

I am happy not to know who he really is. He created bitcoin based on anonymity and by being anonymous himself makes bitcoin even more interesting. We are all satoshi's children.

Agreed

Dude is gonna have such a headache tomo.

Bitcoin loonies and Newsweek blowing up his phone

id lie in, let it blow over... ;)

yet another thread of claims. Only time we going to find satoshi is when he steps up and admits that he is the real satoshi and that is not gonna happen. Would be nice to know who satoshi is and what his future plans are but no one knows.

Add another suspect to the list. The more there are, the better for the person or people to stay anonymous. I guess it's fun to play detective but I do hope if Satoshi is exposed it's of his/her/their own choosing.

totally agree, if satoshi wanted us to find him, we would havefound him by now. only reason we havent yet is because he isnt going to let that happen.

The community is so cynical that if he did step forward nobody would believe it was him! I think he probably knows that and wouldnt waste his time trying to prove who he is. Meaning he will continue to remain anom.

Keep looking.

I'm Satoshi.

It would be very easy for him to prove he was satoshi by signing a message from any of the old bitcoin addresses that are known to be his.

lol if your the real Satoshi then send me 50BTC to prove it coming from his original wallet. Lmfao I will continue to not search as theirs no point in searching for someone who does not want to be found.

Satoshi is probably hiding in plain sight...

Perhaps he is this guy hanging out with Andreas Antonopoulos, named "Sam" (he looks more like a Satoshi than a Sam to me)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMkGfB8X58o&t=34m46s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMkGfB8X58o&t=34m46s)

Dude, you haven't been around for 103 weeks. Where you've been?

Unless Pawel respond to me and say something. Fingers crossed :). I sent him email.

I'd be more willing to put money on the claim that bitcoin came as result of a team's effort, rather than one 'satoshi' ;)

Just...more believable that a group would create this, rather than one person.  Sure, one dude might have come up with the idea...but its the btc dev team that created it.  The answers probably lie therein :D

He will respond in 3 months, after he has been interrogated by die police and secret services and the IRS and then all the mainstream media, who will finish him off, after the authorities are done with him. The banks will also send him some hate mail and the lawyers from Western Union and MoneyGram will want to have a word with him.

Let us just hope he was not kidnapped before that, by some crazy Bitcoin fanatic with a lust for his 1 000 000 coins. 

Damn, I never thought about these aspects....

first block is not spendeable, so he can not prove anythign in that way, i would ask for a sign of the second block address

f you found him,tell us what the main story of satoshi,and how can he become mysterious and almost anonymous,wrote your short conclusion here,i will pleaseant t read it.

And no one needs to know to use the wonders of crypto currencies, so, everyone, leave the guy alone already!

I dont understand why people want to know and meet satoshi, guys try to understand he will fall in troubles if he is found. You have to understand this and please lets enjoy btc and not try to investigate on him.

By the rhythm people seem to be finding satoshi out, there must be at least a thousand Satoshi Nakamoto coding around...

I know a woman that claims that he is her baby daddy. :)

Does it mean, that she has a pretty, cute round 1 BTC in her wallet?  :D

People like the mysteries and the person who stands behind such big thing like Bitcoin, and decided to become anonymous is quite abstruse = worth their interest. Second thing is, that many people are involved in to the bitcoin universum and when they are waiting for the price going moon, they read everything and discuss about Bitcoin. So why not about its mysterious creator, who was such ordinary btctalk user like we all ? :)

Bah.. Yeah... you and another 1000 people all know who satoshi is...

thanks man .This is a nice article. i enjoy reading this..

Why no double space after a full stop here? https://web.archive.org/web/20090303195936/http://bitcoin.org/

I think that the person who wrote the above is more inclined to be Satoshi with having a reason to remain anonymous.

http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2014/12/the-dawn-of-trustworthy-computing.html

There is a possibility this is satoshi but that is unlikely, we already seen that there were multiple "suspects" that looked like the true satoshi but weren't, I don't think it matter anyway since we already have the system.

So the name is an anagram of names of Japanese cryptographers, but you conclude by association that Satoshi is polish, without even trying to see if the papers published are in any way linked aside of the title.

Whats the real deal when you found out who is satoshi. I just dont understand there is no even prize in finding him.

You have research quite a lot! and finding a rare pokemon is a hard task to do, but in finding him what will you achieve? and I think many had know satoshi ever since bitcoin started he is always in our hearts hahaha just kidding! ;D  :P

and it could actually jeopardize the guy's privacy. for what reason? Satisfy the curiosity of some few curious kids??

Every time I see something like this I understand better why he chose to keep his identity secret. To avoid all this nonsense. And probably for security reasons too.

Hmm... OP seems to have removed the big reveal: "Chapter 5 – Bitcoin Founder Unmasked"  :)

Here is is archived

http://archive.is/P0Z7q

Well this was interesting to say the least, it would have been much better if this was sort of like a ancient aliens episode with images and music and animations and guys with weird hair get ups talking about it.

I'd say good try but you can't find him, he was smarter than all of us then, when he invented bitcoin and he's smarter now to stay hidden from all the spies.

You can't find him until he wishes to be found.

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Pawel is not Satoshi. The search is still ON.

Ah ha! How much did Satoski pay you to remove the proof?  :P :P :P

Only Satoshi would deny being Satoshi.
Get Newsweek on the phone.
We got him for sure this time fellas.  ::)

i dont think that it is possible to do

LOL just 1000 bitcoins  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Only time will tell. But if you're right it might be quite something. I for one am interested to see how all this will end.

So its confirmed that he IS satoshi. What would you expect satoshi to right back? Only really satoshi would write that he is not satoshi, if he wants to remain anonymous :-)

I'm not saying Pawel is Satoshi, but how could you be so convinced he was Satoshi, and then do a complete 180 based on his denial? You expect that Satoshi will admit he is Satoshi?  ???  Wasn't that the entire reason he used tor, anonymous emails, etc?

Wait so he denies it so it isn't true...thank goodness OP isn't a detective or anything lol

The fact that he has been able to remain anonymous thus far speaks volumes to his genius and the technology that is bitcoin itself.

I really hope some day satoshi comes out to greet us all, even with continued anonymity. But if he believes it is in his best interest to stay anonymous I wish him the best of luck. He must be the most wanted dox in the world.

Double spends, coin, RSA, hash functions, private keys... at first glance it sounds similar. HOWEVER
Get down to the references and not a single one matches satoshi's white paper, no similar authors either. It seems like at least one or two would cross-reference, unless he threw everything away, and started all over from scratch.
Interesting find though.

Nah, of course he isn't. OP assumed his guilt by association after some google searches. The hypothesis in the now removed page was kinds interesting though. He basically assumes Satoshi was inspired by Ash Ketchum's name in Japanese and Nakamoto is an anagram of the names from Tatsuaki Okamoto and Toru Nakanishi.

Tatsuaki Okamoto kinda looks like the Nesweek Satoshi Nakamoto huh?

http://www.ntt.co.jp/RD/e/organization/fellow/images_fellow/ph1_l.jpg http://i.cbc.ca/1.2563528.1394196377!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_620/bitcoin-founder-denial.jpg

I don't think that is satoshi, if he/she spent all this effort to be anonymous I doubt you will find him/her easily, anyway it doesn't seriously matter because bitcoin already exist.

I totally agree, he has every right to be anonymous.

But the man deserves to get credit for the greatest innovation of the century.

He deserves and he gets the credit. Anonymous or not. No one can change that. And if he doesn't want to reveal his identity its his right to do so.

Why do I think that he is Satoshi ?
https://youtu.be/VoMhyLJrz_M
http://www.livescience.com/45349-brain-injury-turns-man-into-math-genius.html

if you saying i'm satoshi you just crazy man  ;D

still mysterious,because no one trust what OP post,and Satoshi Still not coming up,where he hiding?when he will come up and give us declaration as real satoshi,what he need to proven as real satoshi nakamoto? ???

The guy mentioned by OP said that has nothing to do with Bitcoin. So this whole investigation has been unsuccessful.

Probably we will never know who created Bitcoin, and we have to accept that.

:( still in dark, Satoshi Nakamoto

yes i'm sure its will coming. reading about "detective" word,i wonder is there any special team who have duty to finf where and who really satoshi nakamoto,because he the only one known as bitcoin founder,i think this is should be have special and serious case.

I'm sure there is some special team that investigate who created Bitcoin.
Just come back to situation, how Australian police responded to the information (this from December 2015 - after the conference) that Craigh Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto:
http://www.standard.co.uk/business/australian-craig-wright-named-as-likely-bitcoin-founder-as-his-home-is-raided-by-police-a3133186.html
It was not normal intervention. Someone really does not like him ..

that make sense,i'm also sure there was a team or police who have try to found where is satoshi nakamoto,and its why Craig Wright raided when he claim as satoshi nakamoto,but so far they unable to find satoshi nakamoto,i wish this year real satoshi can founded.

There he is:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3;sa=showPosts;start=520

first think i do i take picture with him ;D
look at him amazing
and i will saying thanks about his created (bitcoin) because bitcoin like a magic can help everybody who use .

Nah, I don't think we'll ever find satoshi. Who knows if he will ever willingly reveal himself, probably not. Even if that's bothering me a lot, if I was in hsi place, I probably wouldn't be revealing my identity now, bitcoin has stirred up a lot of water with its presents.

But good luck to you guys, keep up the search, I'm dying to know who the bitcoin creator(s) is/are.

Well said but to be honest his execution of right of anonymity is creating a huge mess and some people are taking undue advantage of it. Satoshi has full right to stay anonymous but he should at least prove his existence by some ways such as sending moving some of his bitcoins from one point to another otherwise I am sure than we will have 100s of claims from the people claiming to be satoshi in next 5 to 10 years.

we can not still proof that he is really satoshi nakamoto because satoshi nakamoto do not want to come out from his secret hole and still prefer to stay in underground. but someday, i think satoshi nakamoto will be come out and make a proof to us that he is really the real of satoshi nakamoto. but i think the other option is satoshi nakamoto is not only one person, but its like a group of team which is behind of bitcoin engineer and created this technology, only the wind will know.

Agree,we could not really make some proofs that he is satoshi nakamoto hence theres no one could able to confirm it and anyone could say that hes the one thats why this kind of news are not believable at first and i believe satoshi wont make himself go on public because of some reasons thats why hes still remain as an anonymous person as of today.Maybe he comes out someday but we wont know it for sure.

According to the latest report Trumph administration was concerned that Satoshi was an agent of Russia or China — that Bitcoin might be weaponized against us in the future. Knowing the source would help the administration understand their motives. However, detailed research doesn't really prove anything..it's a directionless and never-ending debate. I don't understand why people are after his identity instead of enjoying the power of bitcoin. It's pointless. As far as I can tell Satoshi hasn’t violated any laws and I have no idea if the NSA determined he was an agent of Russia or China or just a Japanese crypto hacker.

An excellent form of earning is investing in Bitcoin in general in a crypto currency is very profitable business.

if you actually do find him and can prove it, see if you can still claim the bounty from secret god (500k) and whatever else is out there. lots i'm sure.

Intersting.. I hope we find out who Satoshi is one day

I'm sure it is one person. I will always tell it to me, and if it proves that it is a group of people, I will have a heart attack.

someday I hope to meet the main actor who formed his bitcoin who called himself satoshi nakatomo, and I hope satoshi nakatomo introduce himself to the world with his original identity

I don't believe santoshi is a person but group of community members and the name santoshi may be an acronym or an abbreviation from group of words and Gavin's can not be that individual. What ever it is time a good research will reveal.

That's an interesting read. I think it is useless for people to continue searching for Satoshi Nakamoto because there is no way we could ever find "him"

There is a possibility this is satoshi but that is unlikely, we already seen that there were multiple "suspects" that looked like the true satoshi but weren't, I don't think it matter anyway since we already have the system.

I suspect that should Bitcoin last 100 years we would then still have people who after 100 years would pretend to have found Satoshi Nakamoto. It is turning into a myth.

Why do we keep digging though, I think its in the long term interest of bitcoin and other crypto currencies though that satoshi's whereabouts and identity remain unknown. We should maintain the present status quo for cryptos to thrive

True or not true? That is the question.

http://nakamotofamilyfoundation.org/

http://nakamotofamilyfoundation.org/duality.pdf

Satoshi Nakamoto is not a certain person. Bitcoin developers are group of people who wants to hide their identities because of havkers and bitcoin bashers who wants to turn down bitcoin.

I doubt about that. I do not think Satoshi Nakamoto is a person. We all wonder who Satoshi Nakamoto is. We want to know where this person came from and where Bitcoin came from because the whole system works wonderfully. Although Nakamoto is a person or an organization, we are grateful to the father of bitcoin. Thank you for this article

The question is why Satoshi appears without him saying, we know he came back only through the pages. Is the information true?

very interesting research, but I still doubt if anyone can actually find satoshi, I prefer satoshi to remain secret and unknown to people, because it will make bitcoin still interesting and I'm sure satoshi will remain anonymous.

Currently, none of us know Satoshi. Thank you for the information, made me very curious and I could not ignore it. In my opinion it is very difficult for people to find out who Satoshi really is. Because he does not want to let people know. Perhaps all of us and new people will still feel interesting about this. When it comes to Bitcoin.


Yes, I totally agree with your opinion

Satoshi Nakamoto wants privacy i guess and that is the reason why he stay away from the limelight and He deserves to have it. Maybe He is not an attention seeker person and all He wants in the first place is to follow His passion like to create bitcoin without expecting that much that it could as big as now.

SATOSHI NAKAMOTO, the so called founder of bitcoin is very much popular for his great invention of bitcoin. Well I found the topic of this post more hypothetical as no one knows who is SATOSHI NAKAMOTO and no one saw him , he only use to communicate with people through many social networking sites and moreover people don’t know that he is real or not and after all this you are saying that you found Satoshi Nakamoto then obviously no one is going to believe you.

i think you cannot find satoshi nakamoto and no one can see her face if he is living right now or if he showed here face im rather to give him a honored and im thankful that satoshi nakamoto change my life after im entering in crypto currency at a first timer i cannot believe that you can gain income in bitcoin and after that im researching in bitcoin at last im ganing income right now and i can buy anything that i want to buy when i was in poor.

Now I have not read all the reasons! I feel a bit sad for Satoshi,, I think this may have been more than just a meaningless clickbait. You can paradise to do the theme "I think I have found Satoshi Nakamoto" to make it less bit baitish click.

Ya I agree. I also dont think we'll ever truly know for sure bc Satoshi took his opsec so seriously.

Satoshi Nakamoto still hiding in somewhere and we don't know where he lives. with so many news about Satoshi Nakamoto, I think he only laughs and smiles about this. I am not sure that he will reveal who is he and I think he will stay in the dark without telling to anybody about himself. it is better for him to still hiding so he can watch his bitcoin will reach his dreams and in the right time, he will reveal his self and will come out to the public and give explaining about the cryptocurrency.

What a hardwork you had. I appreciate you for doing this research. I too, wondere who is Satoshi Nakamoto, is he real or just a name for a group of people.

I hope this is not a hoax. Because everyone is also thinking that who is Satoshi Nakamoto. But also some bitcoin users thinks that it is a group of people who made the bitcoin. But i hope that this is not hoax because everyone is reading or listening to this posts.

Nowadays everyone is after Satoshi. And there are too many people claiming to have found it. Unfortunately, it's hard to believe.

good articles and perhaps a difficult survey to tell a story like that.

but do we need to debate this thread here?
I do not think it is necessary because it does not need to be debated because Satoshi Nakamoto until now has never raised his nose.

This person for such a long time tried to be anonymous and I appreciate your efforts, but I think it is impossible to find him only if he decided to be found.

Shinichi Mochizuki this scientist is very much like Satoshi himself + to this he is also Japanese! In general, this version is convincing enough from the words of Ted Nelson. When ever the world will know its hero!

In my opinion, I  think Satoshi Nakamoto is already dead? Because if he knew bitcoin is a big time and famous now he would potentially go to public his achievements. Damn bitcoin is the one of the most influential and awesome that has been invented by humankind. And its FREE!!

On my opinion I think satoshi nakamoto is dead.so how could you say that you saw satoshi ? Lols

This is really interesting read. But unfortunately this does not prove anything. We can't know the real one is until he reveals himself.

So what ? I think if you found Satoshi that would not change anything! If Satoshi N. is an individual I would like to thank him for what he has given us and then move on with my life! However, I think Satoshi N. is not an individual but a group of people. Note that its my opinion only. To be honest it is not worth looking for who is Satoshi N, it is far more important to look into what we can do with what he has given us!

This whole satoshi Nakamoto personality thing is funny,I believe he or she will reveal himself or herself by proving the name they want people to recognise them,elaborate certain percentage of blockchain,and bitcoin knowledge, we can by that time be convinced..

No thats no true that any body saw satoshi nakamoto coz he or she cant revel their identity some the people think that he or she is dead but in my opinion satoshi nakamoto is a name of group who create bitcoin

I don't understand why should we keep on searching for his true identity. Just be grateful that he gave us Bitcoin and we can use it for our own benefit.

Just admit it. It is one of those secrets which may never be uncovered. I was really curious about the real identity of Satoshi, when I first started collecting crypto (six years ago). Gradually I realized that we may never uncover his real identity and we just need to admit it.

Satoshi nakamoto is a alias used by a person or group of people that created bitcoin. Saying that someone found satoshi is just a speculations. Many people claimed that they're satoshi and they've found satoshi, but they cant present reliable source. I believe that they only do that because of fame. I suggest that dont entertain them and just focus on your investment, because your investments is all that matters.

I wonder why it's so important for everyone to get to the truth. It's not so important who invented bitcoin. The truth is hidden, and we are unlikely to find it ever.

All I know is that satoshi don't want to be found due to one or two reason, but all I know is that satoshi really helped people like us and his discovery is changing the world for good. Who even know maybe the person that posted this topic is satoshi, though I am not rich yet but whoever you are THANK YOU

To me, it is impossible for us to find Satoshi Nakamoto, we can never know his true identity, maybe the intelligence agencies can find it. I think Satoshi Nakamoto don't wants to be recognized anyway.