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I don't think the forum has gone to shit.

Matthew annoys the hell out of me, but he is a regular here and I suppose he fills a need on the board he moderates, with the language barriers and all. Might be a hard combo to replace.

Is him being a mod in the Korean forum really bothering you that much? And is it a personal thing or does it actually have something to do with the forum?

I would advise the guys who don't like "The Staff" to start reporting spam posts.
Let's see if they accept to be a part of "The Staff" when theymos asks them to.
Maybe they'll even start censoring themselves just because they belong to "The Staff"...

FFS...

^this, don't act like children guys, just ignore him  :)

It is so nice to see staff covering up for each other as his and my posts in the thread in question have apparently been deleted.


Him being a mod in the Korean forum doesn't bother me at all. What bothers me is that with a "staff" title by his name he gains credibility similar to VIP or Donor status, possibly to an higher degree in the eyes of some people, myself included as I actually hold the staff in general here in fairly deep respect as does most of the community. I don't mind a nice bit of trolling or outspoken opinions. However blatant dishonesty, outright lies and such from a person in a "trusted"/"trust inspiring" position I do mind and do have a serious problem with.


The issue of self censoring wasn't raised in the op at all. And I fully agree with you on self censoring on part of the the staff would lead into an unending shit spiral. However telling outright lies to the community is imo unforgivable and utterly indefensible. Quite frankly it's weak and pathetic especially when coming from someone in a "trusted" position.


Again if he were a regular user I 100% agree, however given his current position ignoring breaches at this level are imo not really an option if you want to be able to take a long hard look at yourself in the mirror in the mornings.

Perhaps a new thread discussing JRO  is called for rather than posting about it in unrelated  ones about bitcoinica. Matthew's links to JRO would then be on topic and shouldnt be deleted.

Yup, we're all criminals and Bitcointalk is a subsidiary of Silk Road, Mybitcoin, MtGox, and Bitcoinica. We're all nothing but scammers, liars, thieves, murderers and druggies.
(/sarcasm)

You are, yes.

Had you on ignore for some reason, trolling I guess.

Now are you saying that Maged is a liar, or I didn't get you right?

That said, As I've mentioned before I think some sort of notice that 'the staff' are talking as 'the staff' would help, and would probably happen a lot naturally as it is anyway, and lacking any such notice you should assume the person in question is not speaking as 'the staff' but as themselves

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Anyway, this thread is about the tool Matthew, ...

In light of Matthew's blatant dishonesty outlined in post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=84042.1680 and his no comment stance on his relationship with Jonathan Ryan Owens who has left a large amount of GLBSE customers in a lurch I move that admin remove him form the staff rota until such time as that mess is cleared up one way or the other.

I'm not saying he broke any rules I'm saying he's straight out dishonest and as such him being listed as staff is quite frankly speaking a disgrace for the forum.

I just wasted half an hour reading pages from that link. Perhaps I've missed something, but could you please explain where the lie is? Everyone posting in that thread sounds equally evasive, and I do hate to miss a good stoush.

So how about you spend a bit more time on your post than just "<link> and you must believe me because I said so". Please explain what the hell is going on in those last pages of that thread, and why you think Matthew is lying. And why that made you so cranky. Thank you.

It's just a few personal loans. They aren't even tied to Bitcoinica. When the site was acquired, the creditor becomes me as an individual.

Matthew was very familiar with the Bitcoin community and he offered a lot of help to me at early stage of Bitcoinica development. I really appreciate that. And I also donate a significant sum to his projects after the sale.

These are all entirely personal so I didn't talk about it at all. He did advise me to incorporate in Singapore and I followed his advice for a month. The acquisition happened just when I'm about to form Bitcoinica Pte Ltd with two partners who have experience in this field. So I wouldn't think it's any kind of involvement or even CEO.

Maybe you guys need to read this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86580.0 to learn what the titles mean and why you should ignore them.
MNW is a mod ONLY in the Korean section, because it's a tiny part of the forum with no other moderation. The forum software automatically applies the "staff" title when you see a post from him that is located OUTSIDE of the section he moderates. I see no reason to disable that feature, and I doubt it would be really easy anyways.

Furthermore, this business of attacking a moderator just because of their position has got to stop. It's a shameful situation that ought never to happen. This forum already hangs in the balance of being both a wonderful resource and a terrible plague because of the community it harbors, and it would be an utter disaster to lose what moderation we have and devolve into a worthless internet hell-hole. We have enough of those already, and don't need another one linked to Bitcoin.

I don't exactly see where I'm attacking him based on his position alone. The main basis for this attack is blatant dishonesty while in a position of trust or that's what I meant it to come across as anyway if someone's reading more than that into this I'll happily discuss it with them or edit my op if it has been vague in anyway.

Sorry, I should specify that that was a rant that I wanted to get off my chest for a while, so it was intended to be more general in nature. However, I don't really consider being the mod in a dead end board to be a "position of trust", so take that for whatever it may be worth to you.

Sorry, I should specify that that was a rant that I wanted to get off my chest for a while, so it was intended to be more general in nature. However, I don't really consider being the mod in a dead end board to be a "position of trust", so take that for whatever it may be worth to you.

I think that may be the whole problem, people think "staff" means "representative", where as being a subforum moderator would be more like being a janitor

SOLUTION: change "staff" title to "janitor" title. Problem solved. ;D ;D

SOLUTION: change "staff" title to "janitor" title. Problem solved. ;D ;D

Are our liberties infringed by limiting our right to do wrong?
No, we have no right to do wrong.

I think that may be the whole problem, people think "staff" means "representative", where as being a subforum moderator would be more like being a janitor

If once all the dust settles it turns out that MNW has done no wrong in this whole fubared mess I'll be the first to offer a public apology.

It would be useful to change the "Staff" title to something like "Subforum Moderator".  This has confused me before when subforum janitors go on power trips in other forums.

I am totally for this. I would even go one step beyond that and have a Korean title so that only Koreans would even care to know my involvement and everyone else would just assume me a regular member. ^_^

Okay. Can you make a list here for conditions of "no wrong" having been done so that I can know if it's even worth my time responding to you? It seems you've already made up your mind and are only interested in the ad hominem is all.



I am totally for this. I would even go one step beyond that and have a Korean title so that only Koreans would even care to know my involvement and everyone else would just assume me a regular member. ^_^

Hmm, that would be nice. Having the country name before "Staff", so you can read "Korea Staff" or "Spain Staff" etc. I would pledge a few coins for this feature if anyone else is interested.

I wonder why MNW was calling everyone under the sun the Bitscalper guy and then was working with him and JRO. Even being an employee of that group until fired.

Was that to cover for the scammer or were you really just that stupid?  oh lol...

Are you going to return what you gained from this? Or keep it like the bitcoinica money?  You sure know how to get hand outs on deals that go south, lol.

Anyway MNW as staff is fitting. It should keep any sane n00b far far away from anyone on the forum.

Still waiting on the list of conditions. More FUD isn't going to get me to answer anything that is inherently none of anyone else's business. Also, try asking "please".



Me too. Go start a thread about it.

Ask theymos to remove the Staff title and leave only the Moderator title on the forums on which it should be visible.
He removed my Staff title. Now I'm only a Hero Member outside the Newbies and Portuguese boards.
If not for more at least to avoid most of this type of threads.

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Me too. Go start a thread about it.

Did you ask him to remove it or did he just remove it?

Matthew only one main criteria as far as I'm concerned and that is that you explain publicly how you ended up working with a known and tagged scammer according to whom you were fully aware of the fact that he was actually bitscalper on the Kronos project.

Sadly this is all I saved of his post.

Since you're ready to ask instead of judging blindly, I'd be happy to. Took you long enough I might add.

When I was asked to join in on Kronos for management purposes (things weren't getting done fast enough and JRO liked my style of managing teams), I was invited on. There was a developer there, "Alberto" whom I was told was doing all the coding for that particular project, and that my job was merely to make sure everyone was doing their job.

The first order passed down was to begin a closed Beta. JRO was extremely careful to explain to everyone that the beta should be closed, and only a pre-approved list of individuals would be able to have access, so that we would not open the site up to potential threats from outside sources and would give us a chance to do tests in a trusted environment. We all agreed, and a list was made. For each person who was sent an invite, their information was added to the list. A day after we all agreed, I caught Alberto posting "free invites" on reddit and IRC. Since I was brand new and didn't understand the relationship between JRO and Alberto, I decided to wait until I could discuss with JRO privately about the action before reprimanding Alberto. JRO however, as usual, was gone for several days, mainly because he was helping Jered Kenna set up 20mission in SF.

While he was gone, Alberto reported in the Skype chatroom that there was a theft! Obviously we were all very surprised, because there is nothing -to steal-. It's a closed server, protected code (by Alberto himself) and there should be no funds connected to the server at all. In fact, as far as I was lead to believe, ZipConf was the only way to take founds out and that was controlled by a completely different system entirely for a different company. After much dramatic effect, I finally got the story from Alberto that he had left a gaping hole in his code on a single page, and that allowed a hacker into the system to steal $20,000USD in Bitcoins that were given to Alberto by an investor.

You can imagine how speechless I was, but I tried to do my job and do damage control. Alberto however was obsessed with discussing the thieves and possibly tracking them down, saying it must have been an inside job etc. He wasn't willing to explain the facts of what happened as much as hypothesize on who could have stolen it. This threw up some red flags for me immediately, especially since he became increasingly defensive about the origin of the funds when inquired. I felt it was my job to know whose funds those in fact were, but he refused to answer and was quite rude about it. Later I would found out from JRO that it was in fact funds from an investor that Bitscalper had previously been bragging about his relationship with to me on Skype back when I was talking to him about Bitscalper.com in the early days (please see countless threads where I was asking him questions about asking for proof etc, long story, not worth getting into here).

The name rang a bell and I realized the connection. Both are italian. Both know this super secret investor. Then I started to realize they both talk the same. They both act the same when backed up into a corner. I immediately neutralized the situation as best as I could and said that we needed to shut everything down, but to wait for JRO before any decisions were made (obviously because I wanted to tell JRO what I had learned). When JRO returned, he was naturally both disappointed and furious. How could such a thing happen? Turns out, Alberto had ignored every protocol we had and decided instead to connect his code straight to MtGox's API instead of using ZipConf as he was supposedly instructed to do. This makes no sense for us to have a direct connection to MtGox when we are planning integration of ZipConf for security purposes. It makes no sense why he would set it up that way. I began to become extremely suspicious because it seemed like it was all planned. This and my newfound suspicions that he was Bitscalper led me to a conversation with JRO about him.

I spoke with some other members of the community in very high places and asked them to run some information on him. Everything came back positive. He was bitscalper (this is obvious now, as you can see from the pastebin where he posted with his same bitscalper scammer banned email address in his faux letter to himself about JRO btw). So I talked with JRO about it and told him that if he wanted me to work with him any longer, the very first thing to do was to kick him out of the group -immediately-. JRO agreed, but recommended that we be smart about it and not scare him away, since he had put his own reputation on the line for investments etc and wanted to make sure certain projects were completed first. JRO agreed to kick him out of Kronos immediately, but decided to allow him to keep developing BitcoinRebate, only under the condition that any and all code be immediately audited by our security professional (who had been busy working on ZipConf and not 100% involved with Kronos yet at the time, as it was just closed beta). I wanted no part of BItcoinRebate, ZipConf seemed positive, but Kronos was now out $20k. This is not a good first week of work for me, for sure. We decided to ignore the losses and move on to complete the project and recoup. We spoke with the investor of the $20k, and he agreed that the individual was in fact Bitscalper, and that he had invested into him for Bitscalper.com as well, and -that- money was also stolen. JRO signed a personal promisory note with the investor, taking full responsibility for Bitscalper's losses in an effort to mend the obviously painfully severed ties (as a matter of fact, JRO has done nothing but try to be everything for everyone, to his disadvantage).

After this, we later learned from our security professional and the lead developer of ZipConf, that ZipConf would require much more development and testing, basically outright said that it would be extremely high risk for anyone operating it, and basically after the Kronos theft, he was understandable shy of signing off on anything at all. ZipConf seemed effectively dead, Kronos was underfunded, and I didn't even know about BitcoinRebate really, much less who owned what parts or what money went into it from whom. I'm used to working on $0 budget with manpower only. JRO is used to working with investments. Much different ballgame obviously.

From then on, as a friend, I offered to help JRO continue to work on projects, such as 20mission, anything to keep a valid reason to work together. A project that can bring in income so that he can pay back any investors if necessary. Unfortunately, nothing has quite panned out yet so it seems the chain reaction of JRO and Alberto's projects and the theft have been too difficult to recover from.

To date, my involvement on Bitcoinrebate has been 0%. I have never touched it, and I still don't understand it. I own 0% equity and I've never taken any roles on that project. My involvement in Kronos was as described, brought in to help keep workers working, but basically things dried up for my shortly after promises were broken and I have been waiting for months now for the investment side to make working for Kronos worthwhile. I since quit Kronos as too many promises were broken, including one of being flown to SF to work at 20mission etc. My involvement in ZipConf was working with the lead developer hand in hand for the front web design only. I have never touched the backend nor do I know how it functions.

I have not learned of the financial mess (investors, how much they've invested, etc) until long after this, but I've been following JRO's lead on Bitscalper since I found out who he was, as I trusted JRO to handle the situation, and I wasn't about to make any investors lose money because I personally made a mistake. Even if he is bitscalper, calling him out publicly might make BitcoinRebate completely default and screw JRO over for example. I'd rather JRO just audit his code and remove him from the company (which is what JRO assured me he was planning).

Here comes the good part. JRO has intended on that, but Alberto has yet to give the code for review. He's never submitted it, and now he talks about JRO on the forums like JRO has screwed him over or something. I will not whitenight for JRO because he made some mistakes that are too many to mention, but let's not forget who opened the holes up in the software that got $20k stolen--- that's right, the same guy who opened holes in the software that got1000 BTC stolen in Bitscalper. We all know he's bitscalper, yet idiots like you bother me on the forum and attack JRO for trusting someone who changes his name all the time to avoid his bad reputation. JRO got suckered. Deal with it.

So despite the fact that you'd never even know to this day that he was Bitscalper without me having intervened, I'll let you continue to run your ignorant mouth, but ask you to put your money in it and bet that you're right instead, so that I can at least make some money off your ignorance and make it more tolerable. Can I go back to my life now anonymous internet person who uses someone else's referral link as his own for some creepy reason?  

Jut wanted you to keep the part where you said you knowingly worked with the scammer bitscalper.

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Now that it is quoted people can read your side of the story and make of it what they will. As you know there is more to this story and it will come out.

Anyway my point in having you repost this was to show to people investing in BDT that they are working with bitscalper.

Thanks for helping me out here buddy. Lots of love as always:)

I just want to say Matthew N. Wright is the biggest attention whoring egomaniac I've come across on any Forum, since a decade of reading them.

Hehe. Are you entertained?

The only point that matters is that bitdaytrader is Bitscalper. Everything else is the delusional ravings of the uninformed.

Thanks for fucking warning everyone about this before they invested and lost money. NOT.

I didn't know he was bitscalper until after investments were made. Carry on.

The fact JRO was working with bitscalper never made you mistrust JRO or warn anyone about Alberto?

Some reporter you are....

or was it the fact you financially benefitted from kronos and didnt want it to go down in flames ?

P.S. I wonder where this 4kbtc came from....https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=93445.msg1114170#msg1114170   (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=93445.msg1114170#msg1114170)

JRO wanted to quietly take him out to avoid losses from investors and once he was out with no equity/relations, he wanted to announce it. Wasn't my call. Ever worked at a company before when you're not the boss?

Editor-in-Chief.

Nope.




Beats me. Doesn't seem like there's anything else to discuss on my side. Try calling JRO and asking him questions if you'd like. I'm sure Bitscalper would love to talk to you as well. Cheers.

To be fair, Matthew once wore a scammer tag, but now a staff tag:)  I'm sure being able to "moderate" helps him keep his image as clear as it is, lol!

I expect Bulanula to be promoted to Global Moderator any day now.

That'd be tough, I banned him about a month ago.

I'm expecting banned members to have "BANNED" user group, but I don't see anything
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=63877.msg1040716#msg1040716

Nah, there aren't any obvious indications that someone is banned. I also usually don't volunteer information about bans, not really anyone else's business, but I won't hide it either if it comes up.

What does it take to get banned from bitcointalk  :D

Sadly there are a few staff members almost as bad as Matthew. This forum is almost nothing but criminals anymore. Mathew as a leading scammer fits right in.  >:(

Can I recommend to OP to update the title to "People who don't like Matthew"?

No matthew I have no issue with you as a person, I just take a very large issue with the dangerous bets and attitude to free speech you have.

Can I recommend to OP to update the title to "People who don't like Matthew"?

Oh I don't have a problem with free speech. I have a problem with defamation. We're surrounded by trolls and people who hide behind the veil of anonymity.

By making a bet, I've given a way for true believers to actually make a profit off of their belief and make a louder message to the community that they were in fact, correct. You have a problem with this awesomeness?

IE pirate, the guy holding all the btc.

By making a bet, I've given a way for true believers to actually I dont see any awesomeness, I see a 17yo that is running a scam or has delusions of the grandeur.

He's anonymous? Since when?

Ok now I am changing my opinion, I believe you are indeed a scammer.

Easy solution. Stop hiding and tell me what I would need to prove that I'm not a scammer, we'll find some other trusted member, we'll escrow the coins, and you'll wager that I am in fact scamming. Again, easy money for me.

Oh you are open to discussion ?

ok - lets see proof of the btc required to payout your current bettors entirely without delay.
Then follow up by placing the entire sum required to payout bettors in the hand of a "trusted" third party.

Matthew, I must know.....

Are you the type of guy that carries a pair of reading glasses in your back pocket that you resort to putting on when there is risk of getting punched in the face ?

I don't know what it is about you, but for some strange reason, I peg you as the "you wouldn't hit a guy wearing glasses, would you?" ...kinda guy.

I answer your questions about as accurately as you answer mine.

Matthew, I must know.....

Are you the type of guy that carries a pair of reading glasses in your back pocket that you resort to putting on when there is risk of getting punched in the face ?

If bitlane doesn't even respond to my gracious offer to cover his debt and reward him, he's obviously been trolling this entire time and never for a second thought that pirate wouldn't pay him.

Or he doesn't think you have the ability to pay out and therefor would be undertaking risk for no reason whatsoever.

You're not proving anything with this crap other than that you're a douche bag.

Or he doesn't think you have the ability to pay out and therefor would be undertaking risk for no reason whatsoever.

You're not proving anything with this crap other than that you're a douche bag.

That's where you are wrong.

I believe that Matthew 200% can pay the debt.

See, Matthew is an opportunist who currently lives in a 3rd World Country, employing slave labor and pocketing the appropriate rewards for doing so.

I bet Matthew is the 'pale skin' king of his shanty town. Everyone knows him there. He's the guy with the locking front door and working car.

Can I recommend to OP to update the title to "People who don't like Matthew"?

People dont like the fact you are involved with some shady characters not necessarily anything personal. If you dont like mud sticking dont hang around with scammy fucks.

Who am I hanging out with again? I missed the memo.

Everyone in this thread, for a start. Care for a mud bath?

ARE YOU WATCHING ME OMG HOW

One has to wonder, with the amount of time you spend here, who is responsible for caning and generally beating the child labor force in order to get Bitcoin Magazine put together quicker ?[/i]

You're not proving anything with this crap other than that you're a douche bag.

+1, I thought it was just the old trolling Matthew is back, but this is like a whole new level. Wtf is going on with you?

I agree, the constant spamming of the bet to any remotely related thread is an annoyance to me.

I agree, the constant spamming of the bet to any remotely related thread is an annoyance to me.

The amount of related thread is also annoying, i think MNW calling them out is a good thing

Bingo. I am responding to the community at a faster rate then the community can respond to me. This is bad for moderators only.

I delegate that too, silly.

Bingo. I am responding to the community at a faster rate then the community can respond to me. This is bad for moderators only.

Not so, it's bad for the person spamming/trolling because they are the ones who get banned. Staff or not.

If Matthew loses the bet and tries to get out of it, he'll be removed anyway. Let's lock this topic until the results come in.

Indeed. That dirty scammer's gonna get what's coming to him!

I didn't know he was bitscalper until after investments were made. Carry on.

[8/20/2012 5:14:06 PM] bigpiggy666: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=100127.msg1115656#msg1115656 care to comment on this?
[8/20/2012 5:14:42 PM] bigpiggy666: as you've previously told me that they knew who you were from the word go
[8/20/2012 5:18:47 PM] Alberto Armandi: i should yes
[8/20/2012 5:19:02 PM] Alberto Armandi: they knew
[8/20/2012 5:19:07 PM] Alberto Armandi: both JRO and MNW

So... lemme get this straight... you're presenting the word of a scammer as proof?

So... lemme get this straight... you're presenting the word of a scammer as proof?

If Zipconf never worked where did the dividends come from ?

I find it hard to believe the founder of http://dcao.org/ (http://dcao.org/) would not warn the bitcoin community about a known scammer being involved in a project that was trying to raise large amounts of bitcoins from the community.

How much was JRO paying you for your silence ?

It reminds me of why the better business beaureu doesnt work.

You might not have known before you started working with bitscalper

but you have admitted to working with him when 4000 or so BTC went missing.

Also you never went back to correct your many threads of calling Maria and everyone else under the sun bitscalper once you knew the truth. You did not let the public know at all until someone forced your hand (and you even at first deleted that).

Will there be a feature about your working relationships and Zhou/Bitscalper/JRO in the next issue of your mag? Should be good reading.

Just to add onto the dishonest & intentionally misleading areas with Matthew's actions in the community recently:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=102648.msg1125880#msg1125880

Agreeing with the thread title, having a "staff hero member" loudly (spammily) defending scams and making unbacked bets himself is a black eye on the community
His removal from staff would be not much different from the recent decision to decrease scam exposure (changing from stickies to the longterm subform)
He could continue to do as he pleases, but without the implied support of the fourm itself, as I am sure some members of the community put larger trust into "Staff"

Your character is lacking.
You moderate the most unused/inactive subsection in the community and are allowed the privilege of abusing a staff tag for it.
More good than bad can come from removing the forums endorsement of you.

I'll just say the staff on this forum shouldnt be involved in scummy business deals and using the position to further their own interests and shill for those scammy sites lending them the credibility they dont have.

I'll just say the staff on this forum shouldnt be involved in scummy business deals and using the position to further their own interests and shill for those scammy sites lending them the credibility they dont have.

This exactly. I don't give a flying fuck what regular members do as they aren't in a trusted position, but staff or other forum endorsed people VIP/Donator need to remain above that kind of crap. If not so their endorsement should be revoked hell I even think they should be tagged in some fashion as it's blatant abuse.

Oh, so if I am a moderator of the Korean boards, I shouldn't gamble, smoke, make public comments, look at porn and jaywalk either I suppose.  ::)

You do it in a very clownish way and are even smug about it.

If there wasn't a way to be in the center of attention you'd dress as a gorilla and jump around shouting "ugah ugah uagh!!".

Yup, we're all criminals and Bitcointalk is a subsidiary of Silk Road, Mybitcoin, MtGox, and Bitcoinica. We're all nothing but scammers, liars, thieves, murderers and druggies.
(/sarcasm)

So Matthew gets all that attention by random chance? No, there are always two parties involved in that kind of thing, and he certainly is doing his part.

Yes, it will be fun to watch this play out.

he should also be banned for trolling...  just my 2 cents...

It's unfortunate that trolls like Matthew will just find another way on to the forum..

I said all along that he wouldn't pay or there would be some technicality. He for sure did scam everyone. He truly must be mentally ill. He thrives on negative attention. He must of been abused as a child or an adult. Now that he has lost every little bit of credibility that he had, he will move on to another scam to amuse himself.

I truly believe he thrives when others are down.. You know the kind.. He has the mentality of a 12 year old bully...

Seriously, Matt, you need help..

But, I say that everyone quit talking about him. That is what he wants.. This will be my last post ever with regards to MAtthew N Wright. Please, everyone on the forum, Do not feed him...This is the only thing that will get to him...silence...

Sir, I hope you make it in life. I wish you nothing but the best. Think of bitcointalk.org when you are in your straight jacket, lol...

AR

I don't really think London needs Matthew in town for Bitcoin 2012, he's no more than a troll at this point.

I don't really think London needs Matthew in town for Bitcoin 2012, he's no more than a troll at this point.

Matt you do need help. Take a nice vacation, register with a shrink, and step away from the computer.

Now theres noone to call out Atlas's shit.

Now theres noone to call out Atlas's shit.

I never saw Atlas in his glory (good or bad ?) but from what I can tell from the exchanges between the two, they are extremely similar personalities (if not the same person) but Atlas is clearly the better troll.

If you take Atlas and Matthew and combine them into one single glorious manic-depressive Mattlas, then Atlas is the depressive side and Matthew the manic.

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