Proposed removal of Matthew N Wright from forum staff.

[Bigpiggy01]

In light of Matthew's blatant dishonesty outlined in post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=84042.1680 and his no comment stance on his relationship with Jonathan Ryan Owens who has left a large amount of GLBSE customers in a lurch I move that admin remove him form the staff rota until such time as that mess is cleared up one way or the other.

[organofcorti]

Wow! So serious. Exactly which forum rule did he break? I can't see any rule broken at the link you posted.

[Bigpiggy01]

I'm not saying he broke any rules I'm saying he's straight out dishonest and as such him being listed as staff is quite frankly speaking a disgrace for the forum.

[Maged]

Yup, we're all criminals and Bitcointalk is a subsidiary of Silk Road, Mybitcoin, MtGox, and Bitcoinica. We're all nothing but scammers, liars, thieves, murderers and druggies.
(/sarcasm)

[finkleshnorts]

I don't think the forum has gone to shit.

Matthew annoys the hell out of me, but he is a regular here and I suppose he fills a need on the board he moderates, with the language barriers and all. Might be a hard combo to replace.

[TheButterZone]

For the childrens!

[paraipan]

I don't think the forum has gone to shit.

Matthew annoys the hell out of me, but he is a regular here and I suppose he fills a need on the board he moderates, with the language barriers and all. Might be a hard combo to replace.

^this, don't act like children guys, just ignore him 

[Raoul Duke]

I would advise the guys who don't like "The Staff" to start reporting spam posts.
Let's see if they accept to be a part of "The Staff" when theymos asks them to.
Maybe they'll even start censoring themselves just because they belong to "The Staff"...

FFS...

[BadBear]

Is him being a mod in the Korean forum really bothering you that much? And is it a personal thing or does it actually have something to do with the forum?

[Bigpiggy01]

It is so nice to see staff covering up for each other as his and my posts in the thread in question have apparently been deleted.

Is him being a mod in the Korean forum really bothering you that much? And is it a personal thing or does it actually have something to do with the forum?

Him being a mod in the Korean forum doesn't bother me at all. What bothers me is that with a "staff" title by his name he gains credibility similar to VIP or Donor status, possibly to an higher degree in the eyes of some people, myself included as I actually hold the staff in general here in fairly deep respect as does most of the community. I don't mind a nice bit of trolling or outspoken opinions. However blatant dishonesty, outright lies and such from a person in a "trusted"/"trust inspiring" position I do mind and do have a serious problem with.

I would advise the guys who don't like "The Staff" to start reporting spam posts.
Let's see if they accept to be a part of "The Staff" when theymos asks them to.
Maybe they'll even start censoring themselves just because they belong to "The Staff"...

FFS...

The issue of self censoring wasn't raised in the op at all. And I fully agree with you on self censoring on part of the the staff would lead into an unending shit spiral. However telling outright lies to the community is imo unforgivable and utterly indefensible. Quite frankly it's weak and pathetic especially when coming from someone in a "trusted" position.

I don't think the forum has gone to shit.

Matthew annoys the hell out of me, but he is a regular here and I suppose he fills a need on the board he moderates, with the language barriers and all. Might be a hard combo to replace.

^this, don't act like children guys, just ignore him 

Again if he were a regular user I 100% agree, however given his current position ignoring breaches at this level are imo not really an option if you want to be able to take a long hard look at yourself in the mirror in the mornings.

[Bitcoin Oz]

It is so nice to see staff covering up for each other as his and my posts in the thread in question have apparently been deleted.

Is him being a mod in the Korean forum really bothering you that much? And is it a personal thing or does it actually have something to do with the forum?

Him being a mod in the Korean forum doesn't bother me at all. What bothers me is that with a "staff" title by his name he gains credibility similar to VIP or Donor status, possibly to an higher degree in the eyes of some people, myself included as I actually hold the staff in general here in fairly deep respect as does most of the community. I don't mind a nice bit of trolling or outspoken opinions. However blatant dishonesty, outright lies and such from a person in a "trusted"/"trust inspiring" position I do mind and do have a serious problem with.

I would advise the guys who don't like "The Staff" to start reporting spam posts.
Let's see if they accept to be a part of "The Staff" when theymos asks them to.
Maybe they'll even start censoring themselves just because they belong to "The Staff"...

FFS...

The issue of self censoring wasn't raised in the op at all. And I fully agree with you on self censoring on part of the the staff would lead into an unending shit spiral. However telling outright lies to the community is imo unforgivable and utterly indefensible. Quite frankly it's weak and pathetic especially when coming from someone in a "trusted" position.

I don't think the forum has gone to shit.

Matthew annoys the hell out of me, but he is a regular here and I suppose he fills a need on the board he moderates, with the language barriers and all. Might be a hard combo to replace.

^this, don't act like children guys, just ignore him 

Again if he were a regular user I 100% agree, however given his current position ignoring breaches at this level are imo not really an option if you want to be able to take a long hard look at yourself in the mirror in the mornings.

Perhaps a new thread discussing JRO  is called for rather than posting about it in unrelated  ones about bitcoinica. Matthew's links to JRO would then be on topic and shouldnt be deleted.

[repentance]

Perhaps a new thread discussing JRO  is called for rather than posting about it in unrelated  ones about bitcoinica. Matthew's links to JRO would then be on topic and shouldnt be deleted.

This is the best option.  It's difficult enough for people to work out which sub-forum a topic might be in at the moment, let alone to work out that a discussion about one service is taking place in a topic about another.  The Bitcoinica threads are already total clusterfucks in which it's hard to find relevant information and derailing them further renders them useless for users who are just going to check the last page to see if there are any updates.

[Vod]

Yup, we're all criminals and Bitcointalk is a subsidiary of Silk Road, Mybitcoin, MtGox, and Bitcoinica. We're all nothing but scammers, liars, thieves, murderers and druggies.
(/sarcasm)

You are, yes.

[paraipan]

Yup, we're all criminals and Bitcointalk is a subsidiary of Silk Road, Mybitcoin, MtGox, and Bitcoinica. We're all nothing but scammers, liars, thieves, murderers and druggies.
(/sarcasm)

You are, yes.

Had you on ignore for some reason, trolling I guess.

Now are you saying that Maged is a liar, or I didn't get you right?

[Vod]

Had you on ignore for some reason, trolling I guess.

Now are you saying that Maged is a liar, or I didn't get you right?

Absolutely he is a liar.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=97215.0

Saying I was trying to raise funds to injure/kill Zhou Tong is nothing short of a lie.


Also, look here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=97365.msg1073135#msg1073135

"Significant evidence" I was trying to hire a hitman.       He ignored half a dozen people asking what this "evidence" was.  The guy is so full of shit, and using his power as a mod to bully others.


Anyway, this thread is about the tool Matthew, so I won't comment anymore on the liar Maged.  

[rjk]

Maybe you guys need to read this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86580.0 to learn what the titles mean and why you should ignore them.
MNW is a mod ONLY in the Korean section, because it's a tiny part of the forum with no other moderation. The forum software automatically applies the "staff" title when you see a post from him that is located OUTSIDE of the section he moderates. I see no reason to disable that feature, and I doubt it would be really easy anyways.

Furthermore, this business of attacking a moderator just because of their position has got to stop. It's a shameful situation that ought never to happen. This forum already hangs in the balance of being both a wonderful resource and a terrible plague because of the community it harbors, and it would be an utter disaster to lose what moderation we have and devolve into a worthless internet hell-hole. We have enough of those already, and don't need another one linked to Bitcoin.

[drakahn]

I'm as anti authority as the next guy, but it seems to me that if we have enough crap to clean up that we need people to clean it up, there is no need for us to like or agree with 'the staff' on any level other than their ability to clean up crap, there is no need for 'the staff' to be honest on an issue they are not actively moderating, there is no need for 'the staff' to be removed from their position (esp. while lacking a replacement) because of anything that happened outside of their subforum

That said, As I've mentioned before I think some sort of notice that 'the staff' are talking as 'the staff' would help, and would probably happen a lot naturally as it is anyway, and lacking any such notice you should assume the person in question is not speaking as 'the staff' but as themselves

[Raoul Duke]

That said, As I've mentioned before I think some sort of notice that 'the staff' are talking as 'the staff' would help, and would probably happen a lot naturally as it is anyway, and lacking any such notice you should assume the person in question is not speaking as 'the staff' but as themselves

Those notices are normal. I guess you don't see them much because, unlike most forums, bitcointalk.org moderators usually don't moderate discussions. They tend to do more background work, be it deleteing spam posts or deleting/moving off-topic replies.
Kinda hard to digest when people are expecting censorship instead of free-speach.

[paraipan]

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Anyway, this thread is about the tool Matthew, ...

^this, I don't care what you guys do out there, but keep the trollish posts at minimum in other people's threads

[organofcorti]

In light of Matthew's blatant dishonesty outlined in post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=84042.1680 and his no comment stance on his relationship with Jonathan Ryan Owens who has left a large amount of GLBSE customers in a lurch I move that admin remove him form the staff rota until such time as that mess is cleared up one way or the other.

I'm not saying he broke any rules I'm saying he's straight out dishonest and as such him being listed as staff is quite frankly speaking a disgrace for the forum.

I just wasted half an hour reading pages from that link. Perhaps I've missed something, but could you please explain where the lie is? Everyone posting in that thread sounds equally evasive, and I do hate to miss a good stoush.

So how about you spend a bit more time on your post than just "<link> and you must believe me because I said so". Please explain what the hell is going on in those last pages of that thread, and why you think Matthew is lying. And why that made you so cranky. Thank you.