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Title: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: Trevor Lyman on March 24, 2015, 04:59:18 PM
What would happen if everyone in the world used Bitcoin for one day?

Please check out the site and let me know what you think.

http://IntBtcDay.com


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: AtheistAKASaneBrain on March 24, 2015, 05:19:52 PM
What would happen if everyone in the world used Bitcoin for one day?

Please check out the site and let me know what you think.

http://IntBtcDay.com
Seems like a positive idea, but how is everyone in the world supossed to use Bitcoin when most people in the world don't have access to proper internet.


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: Trevor Lyman on March 24, 2015, 05:24:08 PM
What would happen if everyone in the world used Bitcoin for one day?

Please check out the site and let me know what you think.

http://IntBtcDay.com
Seems like a positive idea, but how is everyone in the world supossed to use Bitcoin when most people in the world don't have access to proper internet.

I would say that while it is literally the goal, the implied goal is to get as many people as is possible to use it.

Could you see yourself promoting the day to friends that haven't yet tried Bitcoin?  And do you think the idea would motivate them to get started?


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: Alley on March 24, 2015, 05:42:47 PM
4 participants so far.  Sounds like moon for sure.


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: Trevor Lyman on March 24, 2015, 05:50:45 PM
4 participants so far.  Sounds like moon for sure.

Well, I just started it and it's almost a year away.  And your point is?


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: alani123 on March 24, 2015, 05:51:39 PM
I'll say it again, create a thunderclap campaign. :)


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: Trevor Lyman on March 24, 2015, 05:56:58 PM
I'll say it again, create a thunderclap campaign. :)

I have applied and now am waiting for the campaigns approval.  I guess it takes three days.  I'll let you know, and thanks again for the suggestion.


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: duckydonald on March 24, 2015, 06:03:13 PM
it would be good idea for a group of people to be wearing the same bitcoin clothing, I think this is one way to promote it
  first do what the no pants days did.  Start in NYC and travel with groups  that are wearing bitcoin shirts, and then on the back of there shirt say this " Did you get your's Yet?


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: CrackedLogic on March 24, 2015, 06:18:26 PM
I don't see how we're going to get seven billion people to use bitcoin one day. What about all the people without an internet connection or those who can't afford devices to obtain a wallet and send/receive btc? I can imagine something where a lot of people could wear bitcoin related apparel to boost the bitcoin awareness. You could try get shirts sponsored and have a public get together where everybody could be wearing something related to bitcoin. Maybe something like a mask would do like the Anonymous marches and conventions.


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: ed_teech on March 24, 2015, 06:21:32 PM
Bitcoin is not a service for people to use in one particular day.


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: Amph on March 24, 2015, 08:22:45 PM
I don't see how we're going to get seven billion people to use bitcoin one day. What about all the people without an internet connection or those who can't afford devices to obtain a wallet and send/receive btc? I can imagine something where a lot of people could wear bitcoin related apparel to boost the bitcoin awareness. You could try get shirts sponsored and have a public get together where everybody could be wearing something related to bitcoin. Maybe something like a mask would do like the Anonymous marches and conventions.

people without internet access, will be connected when google "loon for all" project will be ready, but i'm afraid this won't be enough to make everyone to use bitcoin even for one day, many still don't like the fact that early adopters were lucky, and they must buy from them


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: CrackedLogic on March 24, 2015, 08:55:00 PM
I don't see how we're going to get seven billion people to use bitcoin one day. What about all the people without an internet connection or those who can't afford devices to obtain a wallet and send/receive btc? I can imagine something where a lot of people could wear bitcoin related apparel to boost the bitcoin awareness. You could try get shirts sponsored and have a public get together where everybody could be wearing something related to bitcoin. Maybe something like a mask would do like the Anonymous marches and conventions.

people without internet access, will be connected when google "loon for all" project will be ready, but i'm afraid this won't be enough to make everyone to use bitcoin even for one day, many still don't like the fact that early adopters were lucky, and they must buy from them

Loon won't be available worldwide and if the is going to be, it won't be very soon. That still doesn't solve the problem with the people without devices. I still think an awareness convention would do well.


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: bri912678 on March 24, 2015, 08:55:57 PM
We already have bitcoin pizza day and bitcoin black Friday. Those days suit people who already use bitcoin and might encourage a few newbies to start. International bitcoin day might work if more people start using bitcoin, but IMO not enough use it right now to expect everyone to use it for a day.


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: CrackedLogic on March 24, 2015, 08:57:48 PM
We already have bitcoin pizza day and bitcoin black Friday. Those days suit people who already use bitcoin and might encourage a few newbies to start. International bitcoin day might work if more people start using bitcoin, but IMO not enough use it right now to expect everyone to use it for a day.
Bitcoin pizza day isn't celebrated as much as we would think it is actually. There's about 200 odd people who actually show an interest.


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: opossum on March 24, 2015, 09:13:55 PM
I don't see how we're going to get seven billion people to use bitcoin one day. What about all the people without an internet connection or those who can't afford devices to obtain a wallet and send/receive btc? I can imagine something where a lot of people could wear bitcoin related apparel to boost the bitcoin awareness. You could try get shirts sponsored and have a public get together where everybody could be wearing something related to bitcoin. Maybe something like a mask would do like the Anonymous marches and conventions.

people without internet access, will be connected when google "loon for all" project will be ready, but i'm afraid this won't be enough to make everyone to use bitcoin even for one day, many still don't like the fact that early adopters were lucky, and they must buy from them

Loon won't be available worldwide and if the is going to be, it won't be very soon. That still doesn't solve the problem with the people without devices. I still think an awareness convention would do well.

I think the hole point of this is that we don't need all 7 + billion on planet earth to get involved at once we just need to raise awareness internationally to the level that we have all done our bit to raise bitcoin to many more users, then the next time one of these projects start up we will have that extra few people to help in the efforts who will show more people what this awesome technology is about and then again and again. By the time it builds some more people around the world may have developed enough tech to have the devices to also join in. We all join together then anything is possible if we all just sit around hoping for it and leaving it to someone else it will never happen. Count me in op well done..  


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: amiryaqot on March 24, 2015, 09:23:43 PM
What would happen if everyone in the world used Bitcoin for one day?

Please check out the site and let me know what you think.

http://IntBtcDay.com

that is great idea about bitcoin day, that will give awareness about bitcoin and bring more attention to bitcoin from new users,
bitcoin will be future crypto currency with it's freedom of use.


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: trafficolaa on March 24, 2015, 09:28:54 PM
What would happen if everyone in the world used Bitcoin for one day?

Please check out the site and let me know what you think.

http://IntBtcDay.com

that is great idea about bitcoin day, that will give awareness about bitcoin and bring more attention to bitcoin from new users,
bitcoin will be future crypto currency with it's freedom of use.

that is fantastic idea to celebrate Bitcoin Day, i just subscribed to the list and we need more active users to spread words about Bitcoin Day on different social media platform.


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: BitcoinPenny on March 24, 2015, 09:38:54 PM
I like the idea! I'm signing up. :)

Me

EDIT: Done!


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: dhimasnk on March 24, 2015, 09:47:32 PM
hmm, this is a good idea. The public will be more familiar with bitcoin, will be a lot of people who use bitcoin.


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: jbrnt on March 24, 2015, 09:52:10 PM
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What if everyone in the world used Bitcoin for a day?

I can buy some bitcoin on the day, I can buy a gift card on the day, but I can't use bitcoin for a day. Bitcoin day is a nice idea. Rises awareness of Bitcoin to complete newbies. Is there anything organised already?


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: randy8777 on March 24, 2015, 10:18:32 PM
great idea. we as community can make the difference and make more non tech people aware of bitcoin and its benefits.
i'm sure if they know what it is and why it is better than traditional payment options they will definitely set a first step towards using bitcoin.


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: Trevor Lyman on March 24, 2015, 10:28:11 PM
I think the hole point of this is that we don't need all 7 + billion on planet earth to get involved at once we just need to raise awareness internationally to the level that we have all done our bit to raise bitcoin to many more users, then the next time one of these projects start up we will have that extra few people to help in the efforts who will show more people what this awesome technology is about and then again and again. By the time it builds some more people around the world may have developed enough tech to have the devices to also join in. We all join together then anything is possible if we all just sit around hoping for it and leaving it to someone else it will never happen. Count me in op well done..  

Yes!  I'm not actually worried about having every single person in the world use Bitcoin.  That would be great, but if a person doesn't have a computer or access, then there isn't much we can do about that.  But the idea is that it gives people a reason to give Bitcoin a try.  It's really just a publicity campaign that gives people an excuse to give Bitcoin a try.

After the event, there should be more people with Bitcoins than there were before, hopefully millions more, but even a few thousand more would be a good thing.


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: Natalia_AnatolioPAMM on March 24, 2015, 10:43:10 PM
would buy lots of stuff online and celebrate with champagne  :P


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: Slaxt on March 24, 2015, 10:50:43 PM
would buy lots of stuff online and celebrate with champagne  :P

Stuff you say so what kind of stuff are we talking i will also buy lots of stuff but where can we buy all this stuff, Op i am in this but i don't want to click your link call me old fashioned but that could have all sorts or presents waiting so after this post i will see if i can find it on another browser. It is a good idea and it is good you want to help so good on ya dude..


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: cellard on March 24, 2015, 11:57:54 PM
great idea. we as community can make the difference and make more non tech people aware of bitcoin and its benefits.
i'm sure if they know what it is and why it is better than traditional payment options they will definitely set a first step towards using bitcoin.
Yes it's a great idea, the problem is reaching a consensus. How do we decide the day that becomes Bitcoin day in a decentralized community? :D


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: BitcoinPenny on March 25, 2015, 12:00:27 AM
Yes it's a great idea, the problem is reaching a consensus. How do we decide the day that becomes Bitcoin day in a decentralized community? :D

LOL Great point! I love irony.  :)

Me


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: valkir on March 25, 2015, 12:06:53 AM
Done! I subscrie to the system!  ;D

That a great idea. Lets hope it will be awesome on January 3rd!


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: duckydonald on March 25, 2015, 12:34:58 AM
We already have bitcoin pizza day and bitcoin black Friday. Those days suit people who already use bitcoin and might encourage a few newbies to start. International bitcoin day might work if more people start using bitcoin, but IMO not enough use it right now to expect everyone to use it for a day.
Bitcoin pizza day isn't celebrated as much as we would think it is actually. There's about 200 odd people who actually show an interest.

It would work if each bitcoin member buys someone a bitcoin with pizza,

actually have another good idea in mind, op contact me.  This idea you might like it


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: randy8777 on March 25, 2015, 01:21:59 AM
great idea. we as community can make the difference and make more non tech people aware of bitcoin and its benefits.
i'm sure if they know what it is and why it is better than traditional payment options they will definitely set a first step towards using bitcoin.
Yes it's a great idea, the problem is reaching a consensus. How do we decide the day that becomes Bitcoin day in a decentralized community? :D

what about the day that satoshi introduced the bitcoin white paper to the world? sounds very reasonable to me.


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: koshgel on March 25, 2015, 01:33:19 AM
Of course it would be supported.

There needs to be a designated day where we can support and raise awareness for Bitcoin.


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: Lorenzo on March 25, 2015, 02:21:18 AM
For those who don't already know, January 3rd, 2009 is the date of the creation of the genesis block:

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The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks

great idea. we as community can make the difference and make more non tech people aware of bitcoin and its benefits.
i'm sure if they know what it is and why it is better than traditional payment options they will definitely set a first step towards using bitcoin.
Yes it's a great idea, the problem is reaching a consensus. How do we decide the day that becomes Bitcoin day in a decentralized community? :D

Some form of voting system should be possible. I know there are already altcoins out there that have implemented decentralized voting (e.g. NXT, BitShares, and Qora). Something similar might be possible using a Blockchain 2.0 system based on Bitcoin such as Mastercoin or Counterparty.

EDIT: The Bitcoin Foundation recently used the Counterparty protol to hold an on-blockchain vote so this could definitely be an option:

http://blog.bitcoinfoundation.org/voting-on-the-blockchain-version-1-0/


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: Bobblehead Pete on March 25, 2015, 03:11:29 AM
What would happen if everyone in the world used Bitcoin for one day?

Please check out the site and let me know what you think.

http://IntBtcDay.com

If theyll organizae something like that in our city, I will gladly join.


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: calme on March 25, 2015, 03:14:04 AM
i'd love it if they replaced christmas with it instead of made bitcoin day be on some random day. then we'd have enough publicity for every day to be christmas instead of just one day. ppl don't give a shit about the gods anymore anyway


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: Lorenzo on March 25, 2015, 03:59:47 AM
i'd love it if they replaced christmas with it instead of made bitcoin day be on some random day.

January 3rd isn't just some random day though. It was the day when the Bitcoin blockchain was officially released:

http://blockchain.info/block-index/14849 (see the timestamp)

Quote from: Bitcoin Wiki
The coinbase parameter (seen above in hex) contains, along with the normal data, the following text:

Quote
The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks

This was probably intended as proof that the block was created on or after January 3rd, 2009, as well as a comment on the instability caused by fractional-reserve banking.

Source: http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Genesis_block

It's even listed on Wikipedia:

Quote from: Wikipedia
The first block of the blockchain of the decentralized payment system Bitcoin, called the Genesis block, was established by the creator of the system, Satoshi Nakamoto.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_3

Curiously, searching for "January 3rd" on these forums reveals another attempt to establish a "Bitcoin Day" so the concept definitely isn't new:

http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=868274


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: calme on March 25, 2015, 04:08:44 AM
January 3rd isn't just some random day though. It was the day when the Bitcoin blockchain was officially released
well, that's pretty cool. i didn't know that. if the holiday season could be extended to include jan. 3, that would be awesome.


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: Trevor Lyman on March 25, 2015, 03:39:47 PM
The Thunderclap for this has been approved!

http://thndr.it/18WZbAH


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: Transisto on March 25, 2015, 07:52:33 PM
As a reminder of bitcoin limited supply the date of the bitcoin day should change every four year to match halving time.

First four year would have been Jan 3rd
Next four year December 28

There could then be two celebration on the year of halving, the previous one and the next one.
More reason to party is always good.

Next btc day would be 2015-12-28
Next halving estimated date : 2016-07-29
2017-07-29
2018-07-29
2019-07-29
...........


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: Trevor Lyman on March 25, 2015, 10:26:14 PM
Five have pitched in so far  ;D

Please sign up here:

https://www.thunderclap.it/projects/24112-international-bitcoin-day

Thanks for your support!

http://libertycrier.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/IntBtcDay-cover-mailchimp-Thunderclap.jpg


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: coinpr0n on March 25, 2015, 10:35:09 PM
It's a good idea I think the time will come someday when we can maybe do this but probably not this year.


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: Trevor Lyman on March 26, 2015, 05:25:39 PM
Roger Ver is supporting the effort now!

https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/580988769513295873

Now there are nearly 30 signed up for the Thunderclap! :)


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: Minerjoe on March 26, 2015, 08:29:38 PM
Would it be something like May 1? No work that day?


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: Trevor Lyman on March 26, 2015, 09:30:31 PM
Would it be something like May 1? No work that day?

I liked the Jan 3rd suggestion so far.  The reason behind it seemed like the strongest I've heard so far.


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: maku on March 26, 2015, 09:42:49 PM
What would happen if everyone in the world used Bitcoin for one day?

Please check out the site and let me know what you think.

http://IntBtcDay.com
Seems like a positive idea, but how is everyone in the world supossed to use Bitcoin when most people in the world don't have access to proper internet.
This won't happen. Internet won't be available for everyone soon anyway. I just want to know why we would like to have bitcoin day when we don't even have something like Dollar day or Euro day anyway?


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: R2D221 on March 27, 2015, 01:34:07 AM
I just want to know why we would like to have bitcoin day when we don't even have something like Dollar day or Euro day anyway?

Because we're trying to raise awareness of Bitcoin, not of Euro or Dollar, which everyone already know.


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: coinpr0n on March 27, 2015, 09:02:11 AM
I just want to know why we would like to have bitcoin day when we don't even have something like Dollar day or Euro day anyway?

Because we're trying to raise awareness of Bitcoin, not of Euro or Dollar, which everyone already know.

And Bitcoin is a global currency that (more or less easily) anyone can use anywhere around the world.


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: Q7 on March 27, 2015, 02:40:39 PM
Sounds a great idea. Everyone can certainly play their part to make a difference and who knows it might just help with a little bit of push. I agree a lot of people still are not aware of bitcoin existence, also there might be people who know about it but are not interested to check it out.


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: coinpr0n on March 27, 2015, 08:49:17 PM
Supported the Thunderclap and you should too! (Yes, it's free!) http://thndr.it/18WZbAH


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: psybits on March 27, 2015, 08:50:51 PM
Supported the Thunderclap and you should too! (Yes, it's free!) http://thndr.it/18WZbAH

I'm in!


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: CrackedLogic on March 27, 2015, 08:54:38 PM
Roger Ver is supporting the effort now!

https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/580988769513295873

Now there are nearly 30 signed up for the Thunderclap! :)

That's great! You know something is important when a bitcoin jesus takes a step into it :D


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: psybits on March 27, 2015, 08:59:25 PM
Roger Ver is supporting the effort now!

https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/580988769513295873

Now there are nearly 30 signed up for the Thunderclap! :)

That's great! You know something is important when a bitcoin jesus takes a step into it :D

Ha ha that is true. This could really take off with the likes of Ver backing it!

Oops I bumped one of the famous bitcoiners off the Thunderous Supporters list. Was not my intention.


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: Trevor Lyman on March 27, 2015, 10:16:22 PM
Ha ha that is true. This could really take off with the likes of Ver backing it!

Oops I bumped one of the famous bitcoiners off the Thunderous Supporters list. Was not my intention.

That's great!  Thanks for supporting this! :D

We're at 43 supporters on the Thunderclap now.


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: mercistheman on March 27, 2015, 10:38:45 PM
Write bitcoin logo with "Bitcoin > Cash" on each dollar and let it fly into circulation


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: OpenOcean on March 27, 2015, 10:53:18 PM
I think it's nice that there's hype. An international Bitcoin day makes this seem cheesy however (IMO, I respect those that disagree). We're going for household name here, not niche holiday.


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: coinpr0n on March 27, 2015, 11:09:25 PM
I think it's nice that there's hype. An international Bitcoin day makes this seem cheesy however (IMO, I respect those that disagree). We're going for household name here, not niche holiday.

I agree in a way Bitcoin should be used any day of the year ... I like the idea more as a celebration of the genesis block.


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: wadili89 on March 28, 2015, 12:28:40 AM
this will help people to know about bitcoins and the papolarity of bitcoins but not every country have internet available


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: ajareselde on March 28, 2015, 12:47:19 AM
Its a great initiative, and i hope it will rise awareness about bitcoin, and all of its advantages, but sadly, where i live there are zero places that accept
bitcoins, but i do have a bitcoin debit card on the way, so i guess that should count also :)

cheers


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: psybits on March 28, 2015, 01:45:20 AM
Ha ha that is true. This could really take off with the likes of Ver backing it!

Oops I bumped one of the famous bitcoiners off the Thunderous Supporters list. Was not my intention.

That's great!  Thanks for supporting this! :D

We're at 43 supporters on the Thunderclap now.

No problem nice site too!

One of those ideas where I can't believe it hasn't been done before  :D


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: Bytty on March 28, 2015, 05:50:06 PM
When is it?

Genesis block day?


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: Trevor Lyman on March 28, 2015, 06:43:42 PM
When is it?

Genesis block day?

It's looking like Jan 3rd.  Yes.


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: Bytty on March 28, 2015, 08:03:53 PM
When is it?

Genesis block day?

It's looking like Jan 3rd.  Yes.

Great, maybe we'll be able to get bitcoin top twitter trend in that day, don't know how much people we need for that...


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: Trevor Lyman on March 30, 2015, 04:14:49 PM
Another article for the effort: http://btcfeed.net/news/get-ready-for-international-bitcoin-day/

 ;D


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: Trevor Lyman on March 30, 2015, 04:25:58 PM
I think someone mentioned trying to trend at #1 on Twitter for the day and I really liked that idea.  What are some other charts we can try to be #1 for? or other social benchmarks we could shoot for?

Reddit (front page)
Twitter hashtag trending at #1
...


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: coinpr0n on March 30, 2015, 08:54:40 PM
If it's going to happen for sure, paying for a reddit ad probably wouldn't be a bad idea. In fact donation addresses could perhaps be made for things like that or a contest for media creators to make a video and win some bitcoin.


Title: Re: Will you support International Bitcoin Day?
Post by: Trevor Lyman on April 01, 2015, 02:18:14 PM
If it's going to happen for sure, paying for a reddit ad probably wouldn't be a bad idea. In fact donation addresses could perhaps be made for things like that or a contest for media creators to make a video and win some bitcoin.

I like this for a video contest for sure.  I hope the Thunderclap helps bring in a lot more signups because I think we probably need more supporters before trying to raise any funds.