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Title: Bryan Micon's List of Bitcoin Scammers, Shills, and Users Not To Trust IMO Post by: Micon on August 13, 2012, 09:13:30 PM I'm going to categorize scammers into how bad I think they are.
BTCBTC Scammer Hall of Fame BTCBTC this group is reserved for only the worst, largest, filthiest bitcoin scammers. Massive ponzi, large BTC theft, large single or distributed scumbagging (borrow and don't repay) 1) Pirateat40 ( 2) Bitcoinica Hacker 1 (anon) 3) Bitcoinica Hacker 2 (anon) 4) MT Gox Hacker (anon) 5) Alberto Armandi --> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=93445.msg1205151#msg1205151 6) PatrickHarnett (credit ratings promoting other scammers, ponzi running himself, 7) vescudero (ponzi) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=89122.0 8) RustyRyan (ponzi) 9) Hashking (ponzi) 10) mybitcointrade (ponzi) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=81357.0 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=62023 11) nckrazze (ponzi) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=81927.0 Lower Level Scammers this group is reserved for the Ponzi affiliates (pass-throughs), smaller BTC scams and thefts, & small BTC scumbagging. 1) Payb.tc ($1M+ USD Pirate pass through, top affiliate of the top BTC scam ever) 2) BurtW (outspoken PPT affiliate, wrote "Pirate is not a Ponzi" in his sig, blindly promoted the scam) 3) Dank (where to start. lovable little stoner-scammer with half-baked scams to get you to send BTC) Title: Re: Bryan Micon's List of Bitcoin Scammers, Shills, and Users Not To Trust IMO Post by: Tomatocage on August 13, 2012, 11:03:24 PM So how do you know Todd Whitteles? Is he still as annoying now as he was 20 years ago on LA-area BBSs?
Title: Re: Bryan Micon's List of Bitcoin Scammers, Shills, and Users Not To Trust IMO Post by: repentance on August 14, 2012, 05:39:20 AM If only someone had thought to compile such a list before now... ::)
At least you all know not to trust Bitcoin Hacker 2 now. And is Mt Gox Hacker the person who hacked Mt Gox last year or the person who breached Bitcoinica's Mt Gox account last month? We need to know so we (well all of us except for Zhou) can avoid him. Title: Re: Bryan Micon's List of Bitcoin Scammers, Shills, and Users Not To Trust IMO Post by: Shadow383 on August 14, 2012, 05:50:21 AM Well this is a thread that isn't going to descend into a total clusterfuck...
Title: Re: Bryan Micon's List of Bitcoin Scammers, Shills, and Users Not To Trust IMO Post by: Clipse on August 14, 2012, 03:42:08 PM Im convinced Micon is now the no.1 attention seeking whore who dethroned BitcoinEXpress.
Title: Re: Bryan Micon's List of Bitcoin Scammers, Shills, and Users Not To Trust IMO Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on August 14, 2012, 04:40:01 PM http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/showthread.php?896-FBI-made-20-page-report-on-Bitcoins-on-April-24-2012&p=15741&viewfull=1#post15741
Title: Re: Bryan Micon's List of Bitcoin Scammers, Shills, and Users Not To Trust IMO Post by: dank on August 17, 2012, 11:40:07 PM Shadow and clipse covered this thread quite well, I believe.
Title: Re: Bryan Micon's List of Bitcoin Scammers, Shills, and Users Not To Trust IMO Post by: zaj on August 17, 2012, 11:47:55 PM if pirate pays out everyone next week, doesn't that mean he lost his 5000 btc? it would prove he's not a ponzi .
Title: Re: Bryan Micon's List of Bitcoin Scammers, Shills, and Users Not To Trust IMO Post by: CoinCidental on August 21, 2012, 07:10:55 AM if pirate pays out everyone next week, doesn't that mean he lost his 5000 btc? it would prove he's not a ponzi . if it were a ponzi ,there would not be enough to pay back with this far in pirate may end up pulling the rabbit out of the hat and shocking everyone :) Title: Re: Bryan Micon's List of Bitcoin Scammers, Shills, and Users Not To Trust IMO Post by: Nachtwind on August 21, 2012, 08:03:10 AM Wow.. Micon.. watching your threads turn up i really wonder what pirate did to you to deserve that amount of the same bullshit over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
Just make it simple: 1) He is a scammer. 2) He is not a scammer. And which one he is we will soon find out. But tbh it pisses me off to open the forum just to see the next thread of yours declaring that you are the smartass of the year because you and you alone have seen something coming and knowing exactly how the dividends were generated etc etc. So i would like to ask you, politely, to shut the fuck up. What Bitcoin needs is sort of "Trust". Sure, Pirate's system could a ponzi, but who knows at this very moment except pirate? You sure dont have more information than me or the next guy. IMO this situation resembles pretty well the end of BitScalper and already back then there were people like you crying all over the place that they have always known. Yeah? So be it. Whoever is stupid enough to invest money in a 6%/week investment should know that it is likely his money is gone forever. People dont have to repeat that time and again (and before you ask, no, i am not waiting for funds from pirate). So please... when next time the thought crosses your mind to start up yet another thread on the same topic again turn off your PC.. we really dont need yet another of your "IMO scammer" lists, threads, posts etc. We already all know that you know better than anyone else and thank you. Title: Re: Bryan Micon's List of Bitcoin Scammers, Shills, and Users Not To Trust IMO Post by: bytedisorder on September 06, 2012, 07:40:09 AM looks like he was a scammer.
Title: Re: Bryan Micon's List of Bitcoin Scammers, Shills, and Users Not To Trust IMO Post by: Micon on September 06, 2012, 11:25:43 AM ty for the bump.
List updated. Title: Re: Bryan Micon's List of Bitcoin Scammers, Shills, and Users Not To Trust IMO Post by: smoothie on September 12, 2012, 06:24:01 PM LOL PussyAt30 is Trendon's new alias. :D
Title: Re: Bryan Micon's List of Bitcoin Scammers, Shills, and Users Not To Trust IMO Post by: zyk on September 12, 2012, 07:44:28 PM On the side note, although Matthew scammed many people with his "bet", he didn't receive one satoshi out of it, so the damages are limited. But discussing this would be clearly off-topic here. I didn't receive one Satoshi from Pirate's scam, does it follow that the damages are limited? Yes, Matthew made no profit from the damage he did. How does that show the damages are limited?deliberately mis-managing another human's expectations about money makes a negative emotional impact on the victims. This is what Matt did, this is what Pirate did, this is what Vescudero is doing. Mis-managing expectations of many others in order for himself to profit greatly. This is all too right.....and even formulated way to softly, how damaging it is for community spirit and the wherewithall of Bitcon ! But : To remind you of the late Sir Alan Greenspan : Bubbles ( ponzis ) are not recognizable in advance, they got to be cleaned up afterwards ! Of course in FIAT world this is a blatant lie, but it applies to bitcoin. Where are the efforts of the great Moderators of this forum to put scammer - tags on the PPT -operators, who are still "mismanaging human´s expectations" helping to hide the ill - gotten interest of the ponzi -scams ? May I deduce that everybody watches out for the next one?...the same as false accusations have no consequences and are greeted as evidence.....even if its just based on the limited ability to percieve the facts and the inability of nearly all the Super - Egos to backpaddle, when getting their head handed back to them. And so, as i love to put perceptions in the realm of reality, nobody is perfect ;), would you mind, Sir Micon, to put up for otoh´s bet ? Vescudero was (is) a useful service for me, as I earned his weekly interest in 15 min. after I took out a loan. Thought of you as a bastion of honor or is your "justice" the last air-bag protecting the heroscammers of legitimate competition ? Thanks Zyk P.S. As long as i can´t see the same clean- up efforts made to prosecute the big profiteers as have been shown for MNW...... bitcoin.org is a typical case of frying the small - fish and let the bigo(tt)nes going on scott -free..... Me too can´t stand your bigotterie and ingorance anymore Sir Micon ! As there are still no tags for false accusations neither for outright lies, I dare you to offer again otoh´s bet, I accept the bet , if we use Victor as escrow ;) an excuse to Victor Vescudero or just cancel him and put payb.tc at his place, as this guy is still running his own ponzi scheme hiding behind pirates default !!! @zyk lol I propose these terms if anyone is interested, personally I choose to leave my funds with Victor but choose not to enter in to any bets, but I would be happy to act as an escrow if anyone wished though. Vescudero will not default - bet: Agree xxx BTC Victor Escudero, Vescudero, will not default on the funds lent to him or on the interest due on them within the next 6 months. Funds covered are those listed in & added to his OP & a default is defined as being over 2 weeks late in paying out any interest or funds due. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=89122.0;all He may at any time change the rate of interest payed out &/or return any &/or all funds (with interest to date). He may close his offering at any time & if all funds & interest due has been payed then the bet is then classed as over & won. Event date 2013 03 10 Bet deadline 2013 03 08 Put up or shut up !! Thanks Zyk Title: Re: Bryan Micon's List of Bitcoin Scammers, Shills, and Users Not To Trust IMO Post by: dust on September 19, 2012, 02:51:11 AM 5) PatrickHarnett (credit ratings promoting other scammers, ponzi running himself, still operating) Huh? PatrickHarnett has a reputation for being the most trustworthy community member so far. He repaid CPA over 400 bitcoins after the pirate crash even as *every other lender on the forums collapsed*. You probably need to re-evaluate your priorities here. Title: Re: Bryan Micon's List of Bitcoin Scammers, Shills, and Users Not To Trust IMO Post by: bitlane on September 19, 2012, 03:36:28 AM ...PatrickHarnett.......optimistic credit ratings and support of pirate probably led to thousands of BTC of losses across the community. I disagree 700% with the above statement. There are people in far greater positions of both power and influence than Patrick Harnett on this forum who's PUBLIC participation in pirateat40's program were more than likely responsible for 'new meat' into the program (or related programs) than anything else.. This is typical AMERICAN BULLSHIT - Point the finger at a single scapegoat and people can THEN sleep better at night knowing that the 'evil' has a face. Title: Re: Bryan Micon's List of Bitcoin Scammers, Shills, and Users Not To Trust IMO Post by: Bitcoin Oz on September 19, 2012, 05:50:44 AM The only one responsible for pirate scamming the community is pirate himself.
Title: Re: Bryan Micon's List of Bitcoin Scammers, Shills, and Users Not To Trust IMO Post by: Vandroiy on September 19, 2012, 09:26:48 PM The only one responsible for pirate scamming the community is pirate himself. No. Just no. Pirate made a good Ponzi operator, but someone would have done it eventually. Maybe not on this scale, but the community was very strongly supporting the operation even after its nature was obvious. People can now say "There was no proof, he might have been legitimate," but in that same vein, he might be an alien who will soon pay everyone after importing spaceships from Andromeda. hazek and Micon and multiple others described it pretty well: the argument was working the wrong way around. BS&T had excessive debt that lacked an explanation. To defend that, one has to provide evidence it's not a scam, instead of willingly ignoring all evidence that it was one. If you throw your money onto the sidewalk and then go on vacation, could you say "the only one responsible is the thief"? That's nonsensical. The sentence may become true if you can show scamming was an error on Pirate's side, because it will have some sort of consequences. Well, I'm watching, the plan of investors isn't impressive so far. But even if that works out, many people were making it far too easy to get things to where they are today. Go ahead and read some of the stuff from early July, the flamewar that spread over half the forum. Pirateat40 couldn't possibly have made it through all that by himself, not even remotely. He had massive support. Title: Re: Bryan Micon's List of Bitcoin Scammers, Shills, and Users Not To Trust IMO Post by: CoinCidental on September 20, 2012, 04:30:46 AM BurtW . Gigavps , Imsaguy Goat and many others were basically telling people they knew it wasnt a ponzi and people were just not smart enough to understand how it works etc
go back and read the posts although many have been deleted and its clear that pirate was not the only one driving people into the ponzi actually ,he had very little posts on the forum when the PPT guys were recruiting fresh accounts ......... Title: Re: Bryan Micon's List of Bitcoin Scammers, Shills, and Users Not To Trust IMO Post by: jasinlee on September 20, 2012, 04:35:24 AM Title: Re: Bryan Micon's List of Bitcoin Scammers, Shills, and Users Not To Trust IMO Post by: Micon on September 20, 2012, 10:00:33 AM I'm going to categorize scammers into how bad I think they are. BTCBTC Scammer Hall of Fame BTCBTC this group is reserved for only the worst, largest, filthiest bitcoin scammers. Massive ponzi, large BTC theft, large single or distributed scumbagging (borrow and don't repay) 1) Pirateat40 ( 2) Bitcoinica Hacker 1 (anon) 3) Bitcoinica Hacker 2 (anon) 4) MT Gox Hacker (anon) 5) Alberto Armandi --> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=93445.msg1205151#msg1205151 6) PatrickHarnett (credit ratings promoting other scammers, ponzi running himself, 7) vescudero (ponzi) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=89122.0 8) RustyRyan (ponzi) 9) Hashking (ponzi) 10) mybitcointrade (ponzi) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=81357.0 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=62023 11) nckrazze (ponzi) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=81927.0 Lower Level Scammers this group is reserved for the Ponzi affiliates (pass-throughs), smaller BTC scams and thefts, & small BTC scumbagging. 1) Payb.tc ($1M+ USD Pirate pass through, top affiliate of the top BTC scam ever) 2) BurtW (outspoken PPT affiliate, wrote "Pirate is not a Ponzi" in his sig, blindly promoted the scam) 3) Dank (where to start. lovable little stoner-scammer with half-baked scams to get you to send BTC) updated this slightly, needs much, much more work unfortunately Title: Re: Bryan Micon's List of Bitcoin Scammers, Shills, and Users Not To Trust IMO Post by: Micon on September 20, 2012, 10:01:11 AM that is fucking awesome. Title: Re: Bryan Micon's List of Bitcoin Scammers, Shills, and Users Not To Trust IMO Post by: elux on September 20, 2012, 10:33:06 AM Hi, Reddit! :) This post has been spun off into a separate thread on the same topic, discussion should be pointed there: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110805.0 The CEO of Butterfly Labs is a convicted felon (25M USD worth of mail fraud.) BFL hid this fact from its customers. (As they knew how the silly internet would react to this information.) The information here presented would predictably make it much harder from BFL to acquire huge amounts of money through pre-orders. (Yes, they have successfully taken in huge amounts of pre-paid pre-orders on untested, unreleased products, as can be easily verified.) This post aims to collate the relevant, publicly available information and present it in a concise, readable format. A concise summary of evidence: (1) Chris Vleisides is the President/Director of Butterfly Labs Inc: Quote ENTITY DETAIL Name: BF Labs Inc. ... President / Director: CHRIS VLEISIDES 2507 JEFFERSON KANSAS CITY, MO 64108 https://wyobiz.wy.gov/Business/FilingDetails.aspx?eFNum=149144214231010201167112190255028042109060235081 (2) Mr. Vleisides and associates orchestrated a massive mail order scam that ran from 1990 to 2006, causing a loss of at least 19M USD out of the ~25M USD invested in the scheme: Quote from: US Postal Inspection Service Sonny Chris Vleisides, 39, previously of Kansas City, MO was arrested in 2007 and held two years in Italy before he was extradited to the United States. Vleisides was sentenced to 14 months in prison followed by three years supervised release after pleading to one count of mail fraud. https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/radDocs/PressRoom/nr110114.htm (3) It has been established that Mr. Vleisides implicated in the mail order scam and Vleisides of BFL is the same person: Quote from: Inaba Sonny Vleisides is associated with BFL and it's the same Sonny listed in the case documents. He was involved in off shore gaming in the capacity of selling and providing software engineering to companies that did the actual offshore gaming (there is even a US patent application for the process). The industry came under attack (as we all remember) around that time, and Mr. Vleisides was caught up in the process as well as a good portion of the industry based in Costa Rica. Although this may be cause for concern to some, the fact is that we're a robust company with 22 employees. One of them has a colorful background in offshore libertarianism. If I thought there was even the possibility of something unsavory going on within BFL, you can rest assured I would a) not be part of it and b) would let everyone know it. The reality is, we are legitimate, we have released revolutionary products and we are going to release more revolutionary products. I was made aware of this back story prior to my employment and I evaluated it and concluded that it was immaterial to the business at hand and thus joined BFL. There was nothing hidden from me and Sonny has always answered questions and been completely open about his past, but I think we can all agree that it's not something you just announce to the world. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=109349.msg1202784#msg1202784 Inaba is an employee of Butterfly Labs Inc, who posts on these forums under the names inaba (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=8198) and BFL_Josh (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=63314). (4) The mechanics of the scam, per DOJ Agent testimony: Quote from: Affidavit for Extradition Warrant — USA vs. Vleisides A joint investigation involving the IRS-CID and the United States Postal Inspection Service (USPIS), revealed that from at least 1990 through July 2006, SONNY VLEISIDES, James Ray Houston, Dennis Emmett, William Cloud, Henry Walther, Scott Henry Walther, and others committed a massive international lottery scam using the following company names: Shamrock Agency, German Swiss Group, World Expert Fund, Mutual Medical Insurance Co, Old Amsterdam Trust Co, Euro American Fax Co, European Union Commission, EU American Payment Co, Global Search Network, North American Foreign Payments Services, Wor'dwide Verification Service, and others. VLEISIDES ran the scheme along with Houston and Emmett. VLEISIDES, Houston and Emmett, who were all located in Costa Rica, worked with mailing houses which, at the direction of VLEISIDES, Houston, and Emmett, sent out tens of thousands of mailings to victims in the United States, many of whom were elderly. The mailings contained false statements, half truths, and omissions, and induced the victims to participate in various international lotteries, falsely stating that if the victims participated, they were guaranteed to win or had a very good chance to win. The mailings directed the victims to send their money to Ireland, at d the Netherlands, among other locations, where William Cloud had set up addresses with commercial mail receiving agencies and individuals to forward the money, eventually, back to the United States. After receipt at the commercial mail receiving agencies, the victims' money was sent to Henry Walther, who, along with his son Scott Henry Walther, deposited the money into various bank accounts and then distributed it as directed by VLEISIDES, Houston, and Emmett. Some of the money was spent on furthering the criminal activity. Some of the money was paid out to victims in small-dollar checks that the co-schemers misrepresented to be lottery winnings. The rest of the money was paid out to the co-schemers and others for their own use. VLEISIDES and the other defendants did not buy any lottery tickets, and the vast majority of the victims lost the money they sent. The total loss from the scheme is in excess of $19 million. ... An analysis was done on approximately twenty of the bank accounts established in the United States at the direction of VLEISIDES and his co-schemers. The analysis revealed, in summary, that the victims' money was first deposited into accounts established by the co-schemers at numerous banks in accounts with names that sound like official lotteries: SHAMROCK AGENCY, WORLD EXPERT, OLD AMSTERDAM, GERMAN SWISS, and EUC. (Hereinafter, accounts at this first layer will be referred to as "Deposit Accounts.") The co-schemers obtained over $19 million from tens of thousands of victims and deposited them into these accounts. After the co-schemers deposited the victims' money into the Deposit Accounts, they transferred the money to the next layer of accounts, hereinafter referred to as "Payment Accounts." These accounts were in names that included NORTH AMERICAN PAYMENT and EU PAYMENT SERVICE. From the Payment Accounts, the co-schemers wrote checks represented as winnings and sent them back to the victims. The amount of the alleged "winnings" was far less than the amount the victims sent in - for the over $19 million going into the accounts from victims, only approximately 20% was sent back to victims in the form of "winning" checks. The co-schemers transferred some of the money from the Deposit Accounts and Payment Accounts to the next layer of accounts, which will hereinafter be referred to as "Syphon Accounts." The co-schemers wrote checks (or used wire transfers) from the Lottery Accounts and the Payment Accounts to the Syphon Accounts, which were in names that included WESTERN INTERNET, BUTTERFIELD, CARNEGIE and HENRY WALTHER ATTORNEY WIRE ACCOUNT. Money from the Syphon Accounts was used to continue the scheme by paying scheme expenses, as well as to provide benefits to the co-schemers. The co-schemers also took money at each layer in the form of checks to cash, checks to themselves, or checks to the payment of personal or scheme expenses. http://www.scribd.com/doc/106417808/Affidavit-for-Extradition-Warrant (5) Mr Vleisides, the CEO of Butterfly Labs is forbidden from soliciting funds according to the terms of his parole: Quote September 15, 2010 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA v. SONNY VLEISIDES ... The defendant is hereby placed on supervised release, effective immediately, for a term of three years under the following terms and conditions: ... The defendant shall not engage, as whole or partial owner, employee or otherwise, in any business involving loan programs, gambling or gaming activities, telemarketing activities, investment programs or any other business involving the solicitation of funds or cold-calls to customers without the express approval of the Probation Officer prior to engagement in such employment. ... All fines are waived as it is found that the defendant does not have the ability to pay a fine. ... As directed by the Probation Officer, the defendant shall provide to the Probation Officer: (1) a signed release authorizing credit report inquiries; (2) federal and state income tax returns or a signed release authorizing their disclosure and (3) an accurate financial statement, with supporting documentation as to all assets, income and expenses of the defendant. In addition, the defendant shall not apply for any loan or open any line of credit without prior approval of the Probation Officer. ... The defendant shall not transfer, sell, give away, or otherwise convey any asset with a fair market value in excess of $500 without approval of the Probation Officer until all financial obligations imposed by the Court have been satisfied in full. ... Upon a finding of violation of probation or supervised release, I understand that the court may (1) revoke supervision, (2) extend the term of supervision, and/or (3) modify the conditions of supervision. http://ca.findacase.com/research/wfrmDocViewer.aspx/xq/fac.20100915_0004129.CCA.htm/qx Thus, it can be seen the CEO of Butterfly Labs is likely* in violation of his parole. * (Unless given express prior approval from his probation officer on a number of counts.) To return to the first point, the CEO of BFL is a convicted felon and a scammer, as should be evident from the above. I sincerely hope BFL is not simply a preorder scam, and I hope BFL does everything in their power to show that they're in fact not. However, alarm bells should be ringing, and red lights flashing all over the place. This could be the biggest, and by far most professional scam yet. For the time being, and under the weight of the public and indisputable evidence presented above, it seems prudent to say: Do not order ASIC "Supercomputers", or other unreleased products from Butterfly Labs Inc. This post summarizes what is known at the present time. This thread will be updated with new information as it becomes available. Notes: (1) This summary was originally posted to: Bryan Micon's List of Bitcoin Scammers, Shills, and Users Not To Trust IMO (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=100514.msg1206357#msg1206357) That about summarizes what is known at the present time. I'll be moving this to a separate thread. Title: Re: Bryan Micon's List of Bitcoin Scammers, Shills, and Users Not To Trust IMO Post by: repentance on September 20, 2012, 11:22:21 AM actually ,he had very little posts on the forum when the PPT guys were recruiting fresh accounts ......... It's hard to know how much he encouraged the setting up of pass-throughs behind the scenes. Quote Quote from: chungenhung on 09 February 2012, 14:14:14 OP, since you will only accept referrals, then are you saying current lenders can advertise it on the forum? I know you have strict rules about that in the past when things got heated up with ineeduser* Quote As long as they are dealing with me directly I am fine with it. What I don't want to see is people advertising that they can lend through them to me. In April, his attitude changed and he formally "allowed" the operation of PPTs. Quote The big issue early on was the attack by established members being able to force out new members. I don't condone an unfriendly environment so I made it very clear early on that it was not something I was willing to deal with. As FPS&T has grown, it has become much easier to handle large investors managing smaller accounts than me handling them directly. So, I've allowed established lenders to grow their own market with the following in mind. And I need to make this very clear... At this point FPS&T has become a true bank in almost every sense of the word. So, like a bank would protect it's account holders from the outside, FPS&T will do the same to it's members. The commitment between FPS&T and it's account holders is directly with one another. No outside organization can access, freeze, suspend or speak on behalf of anyone but the account holder. I have no responsibility to anyone except the account holder and they're responsible for deposits and withdrawals made to and from their account. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=50822.msg840854#msg840854 After that point, pirate no longer needed to have any direct involvement in the solicitation of funds. Title: Re: Bryan Micon's List of Bitcoin Scammers, Shills, and Users Not To Trust IMO Post by: IgpayAtinLay on September 20, 2012, 12:36:21 PM How is dank a scammer? DankGlass? He gave me .4 BTC for free. Scammer usually dont do that, no?
Title: Re: Bryan Micon's List of Bitcoin Scammers, Shills, and Users Not To Trust IMO Post by: malevolent on September 20, 2012, 12:50:43 PM I'm going to categorize scammers into how bad I think they are. BTCBTC Scammer Hall of Fame BTCBTC this group is reserved for only the worst, largest, filthiest bitcoin scammers. Massive ponzi, large BTC theft, large single or distributed scumbagging (borrow and don't repay) 1) Pirateat40 ( 2) Bitcoinica Hacker 1 (anon) 3) Bitcoinica Hacker 2 (anon) 4) MT Gox Hacker (anon) 5) Alberto Armandi --> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=93445.msg1205151#msg1205151 6) PatrickHarnett (credit ratings promoting other scammers, ponzi running himself, 7) vescudero (ponzi) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=89122.0 8) RustyRyan (ponzi) 9) Hashking (ponzi) 10) mybitcointrade (ponzi) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=81357.0 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=62023 11) nckrazze (ponzi) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=81927.0 Lower Level Scammers this group is reserved for the Ponzi affiliates (pass-throughs), smaller BTC scams and thefts, & small BTC scumbagging. 1) Payb.tc ($1M+ USD Pirate pass through, top affiliate of the top BTC scam ever) 2) BurtW (outspoken PPT affiliate, wrote "Pirate is not a Ponzi" in his sig, blindly promoted the scam) 3) Dank (where to start. lovable little stoner-scammer with half-baked scams to get you to send BTC) Please add Andrew Nollan (shakaru) to the list - he owes $38 000+ https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=65989.0 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnzolfvAaL97dGlQZjZmcFMwTzlmbWJNUHdyZnM4M2c#gid=3 Title: Re: Bryan Micon's List of Bitcoin Scammers, Shills, and Users Not To Trust IMO Post by: Fjordbit on September 20, 2012, 04:05:07 PM Something stuck out for me here:
Quote An analysis was done on approximately twenty of the bank accounts established in the United States at the direction of VLEISIDES and his co-schemers. This actually gives a strong motivation for why Sonny would want Bitcoin to succeed. He's already felt the result of the strong ties the current banking system has to the government. Quote The defendant shall not transfer, sell, give away, or otherwise convey any asset with a fair market value in excess of $500 without approval of the Probation Officer until all financial obligations imposed by the Court have been satisfied in full. People seem to not understand this section at all. This is referring to Sonny's personal property only. It has nothing to do with units that BFL manufactures and sells as a part of their business. And the lottery thing is kind of scummy, but I'm guessing people signed up voluntarily so it's really hard to say if people were being scammed or if they were just fooling themselves with a fiat version of SatoshiDice. I tend not to put a lot of stock in the descriptions prosecutors put in their write ups. I have a friend who is on the sex offenders list because she streaked down her block. Title: Re: Bryan Micon's List of Bitcoin Scammers, Shills, and Users Not To Trust IMO Post by: RyanRed on September 20, 2012, 09:26:19 PM The more and more I read about this BFL conspiracy, the more, and more I find myself drifting away from them.
I can see it both ways though. From their perspective, and the consumers. What I dont understand is why they are so "hush hush" about these asic devices. I've never seen a company offer to sell you something without at least backing it with proof. Is it REALLY that top secret? Ok, so if it is, then I can understand the secrecy. But were coming up on the time they are supposed to ship these things. Would it hurt for them to post a picture or two? I donno... seems very unprofessional if this is real. I've sent emails to them via the website, and never even get a response. Ok, well in their defense they are probably flooded with email on a daily basis, and with their "22" employees I can see how they can't get to every single one. But from a company stand point, why not just added a *Due to the overwhelming amount of email we recieve daily we may not be able to respond in a timely fashion when submitting your form? Again, on a professional level they are filled with so many holes. I've been looking into them every single day since I found out about ASIC, and everyday I find myself questioning their operation. This is not just based on forum chatter. Its based upon how they have operated with me personally. I for one want an ASIC SC like there's no tomorrow, but I'm not going toss $1,300 at a company that can't even give a common curtsey email response. The way I see it they need to hire a PR guy. Pay the guy 10 bucks an hour to answer emails all day. They can't find someone to do that? I donno.... for all I know the paranoia of this Bitcoin world could just be rubbing off on me. Or maybe I'm rightly justified for just wanting a little more information. I tend to lean towards my justification. I have no plan on ever ordering from them until I get some better validation. Title: Re: Bryan Micon's List of Bitcoin Scammers, Shills, and Users Not To Trust IMO Post by: IgpayAtinLay on September 20, 2012, 10:22:57 PM The more and more I read about this BFL conspiracy, the more, and more I find myself drifting away from them. I can see it both ways though. From their perspective, and the consumers. What I dont understand is why they are so "hush hush" about these asic devices. I've never seen a company offer to sell you something without at least backing it with proof. Is it REALLY that top secret? Ok, so if it is, then I can understand the secrecy. But were coming up on the time they are supposed to ship these things. Would it hurt for them to post a picture or two? I donno... seems very unprofessional if this is real. I've sent emails to them via the website, and never even get a response. Ok, well in their defense they are probably flooded with email on a daily basis, and with their "22" employees I can see how they can't get to every single one. But from a company stand point, why not just added a *Due to the overwhelming amount of email we recieve daily we may not be able to respond in a timely fashion when submitting your form? Again, on a professional level they are filled with so many holes. I've been looking into them every single day since I found out about ASIC, and everyday I find myself questioning their operation. This is not just based on forum chatter. Its based upon how they have operated with me personally. I for one want an ASIC SC like there's no tomorrow, but I'm not going toss $1,300 at a company that can't even give a common curtsey email response. The way I see it they need to hire a PR guy. Pay the guy 10 bucks an hour to answer emails all day. They can't find someone to do that? I donno.... for all I know the paranoia of this Bitcoin world could just be rubbing off on me. Or maybe I'm rightly justified for just wanting a little more information. I tend to lean towards my justification. I have no plan on ever ordering from them until I get some better validation. Just to throw in my 2 bitpennies.... 10/H is NOWHERE near enough to get caught in this scam and have your rep ruined. I made one mistake with a photo during a loan and im getting blasted. Imagine a scam that large... Title: Re: Bryan Micon's List of Bitcoin Scammers, Shills, and Users Not To Trust IMO Post by: bitlane on September 21, 2012, 05:43:57 AM Title: Re: Bryan Micon's List of Bitcoin Scammers, Shills, and Users Not To Trust IMO Post by: 420 on January 12, 2013, 06:27:52 AM i thought vescudero paid back all lenders
Title: Re: Bryan Micon's List of Bitcoin Scammers, Shills, and Users Not To Trust IMO Post by: tbcoin on January 12, 2013, 06:31:05 AM i thought vescudero paid back all lenders And he did, he should not be on this list. Title: Re: Bryan Micon's List of Bitcoin Scammers, Shills, and Users Not To Trust IMO Post by: Polvos on January 12, 2013, 11:33:51 PM I bought about 100 BTC from vescudero and it was all fine and fast with him. I even paid first. He doesn't deserve to be in the list.
Title: Re: Bryan Micon's List of Bitcoin Scammers, Shills, and Users Not To Trust IMO Post by: Micon on July 23, 2013, 10:57:06 PM donkdown:
http://www.sec.gov/News/PressRelease/Detail/PressRelease/1370539730583#.Ue8JvEHYB8H Title: Re: Bryan Micon's List of Bitcoin Scammers, Shills, and Users Not To Trust IMO Post by: Atruk on July 23, 2013, 11:39:53 PM donkdown: http://www.sec.gov/News/PressRelease/Detail/PressRelease/1370539730583#.Ue8JvEHYB8H So I guess the thing to watch now is how many mining (not quite) bonds start leaving the securities forum... Title: Re: Bryan Micon's List of Bitcoin Scammers, Shills, and Users Not To Trust IMO Post by: 420 on August 04, 2013, 05:10:56 AM donkdown: http://www.sec.gov/News/PressRelease/Detail/PressRelease/1370539730583#.Ue8JvEHYB8H isn't this HUMONGOUS NEWS? |
