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Title: negative trust Post by: leen93 on March 31, 2015, 10:54:24 AM What can i do if someone (e.g. grtthegreat) gives me a negative feedback for no reason and mentioning lies within the feedback?
Title: Re: negative trust Post by: Mitchell on March 31, 2015, 10:59:12 AM All you can do is talk with them and get them to remove it. Trust is not moderated.
Title: Re: negative trust Post by: leen93 on March 31, 2015, 11:07:55 AM All you can do is talk with them and get them to remove it. Trust is not moderated. that 1 guy left bitcointalk and the other one doesn't reply :-\anyways, I am allowed to inform every user of bitcointalk about this false trust and everyone is allowed to give those persons a negative trust because he accused me of things I didn't do? Title: Re: negative trust Post by: ranochigo on March 31, 2015, 11:13:25 AM All you can do is talk with them and get them to remove it. Trust is not moderated. that 1 guy left bitcointalk and the other one doesn't reply :-\anyways, I am allowed to inform every user of bitcointalk about this false trust and everyone is allowed to give those persons a negative trust because he accused me of things I didn't do? Also, you are abusing trust by accusing someone as a scammer even though he is pretty legit. Title: Re: negative trust Post by: leen93 on March 31, 2015, 11:17:51 AM All you can do is talk with them and get them to remove it. Trust is not moderated. that 1 guy left bitcointalk and the other one doesn't reply :-\anyways, I am allowed to inform every user of bitcointalk about this false trust and everyone is allowed to give those persons a negative trust because he accused me of things I didn't do? Also, you are abusing trust by accusing someone as a scammer even though he is pretty legit. and what he said is not right, I don't and nobody controls the wallet he's talking about and you can check this wallet for the rest of your life in the blockchain... Title: Re: negative trust Post by: 98problems on March 31, 2015, 11:20:42 AM if a scammer gives negative trust it does not make too much difference because he most probably also has - trust so you shouldnt be afraid of that
Title: Re: negative trust Post by: leen93 on March 31, 2015, 11:21:47 AM if a scammer gives negative trust it does not make too much difference because he most probably also has - trust so you shouldnt be afraid of that so if 100 people give negative trust to him his false negative trust for me will not count anymore for me right?then that's the only way to get rid of this red bar next to my name (which i certainly will because it's only there because of false accusements) if he denies removing it himself? Title: Re: negative trust Post by: ranochigo on March 31, 2015, 11:24:48 AM All you can do is talk with them and get them to remove it. Trust is not moderated. that 1 guy left bitcointalk and the other one doesn't reply :-\anyways, I am allowed to inform every user of bitcointalk about this false trust and everyone is allowed to give those persons a negative trust because he accused me of things I didn't do? Also, you are abusing trust by accusing someone as a scammer even though he is pretty legit. and what he said is not right, I don't and nobody controls the wallet he's talking about and you can check this wallet for the rest of your life in the blockchain... Of course you won't be able to get your 0.0001BTC back. Why don't you ask an escrow to create an address for you and ask him to delete it so we would be SURE that you don't have the private key. Title: Re: negative trust Post by: chmod755 on March 31, 2015, 11:29:35 AM Also, you are abusing trust by accusing someone as a scammer even though he is pretty legit. Pretty legit? Do you mean that guy with a positive score of +3? Edit: Oops, I looked at his received ratings. OP remove the rating on Tomatocage so if 100 people give negative trust to him his false negative trust for me will not count anymore for me right? It's unconfirmed feedback, so it doesn't really count. Title: Re: negative trust Post by: leen93 on March 31, 2015, 11:31:53 AM All you can do is talk with them and get them to remove it. Trust is not moderated. that 1 guy left bitcointalk and the other one doesn't reply :-\anyways, I am allowed to inform every user of bitcointalk about this false trust and everyone is allowed to give those persons a negative trust because he accused me of things I didn't do? Also, you are abusing trust by accusing someone as a scammer even though he is pretty legit. and what he said is not right, I don't and nobody controls the wallet he's talking about and you can check this wallet for the rest of your life in the blockchain... Of course you won't be able to get your 0.0001BTC back. Why don't you ask an escrow to create an address for you and ask him to delete it so we would be SURE that you don't have the private key. Title: Re: negative trust Post by: leen93 on March 31, 2015, 11:33:25 AM Also, you are abusing trust by accusing someone as a scammer even though he is pretty legit. Pretty legit? Do you mean that guy with a positive score of +3? so if 100 people give negative trust to him his false negative trust for me will not count anymore for me right? It's unconfirmed feedback, so it doesn't really count. Title: Re: negative trust Post by: chmod755 on March 31, 2015, 11:38:52 AM but next to my name is still the red bar when i want to trade which might stop people trading with me, only because 2 people accused me falsely Where? https://i.imgur.com/G3JBfgC.png Title: Re: negative trust Post by: XinXan on March 31, 2015, 11:39:00 AM Also, you are abusing trust by accusing someone as a scammer even though he is pretty legit. Pretty legit? Do you mean that guy with a positive score of +3? so if 100 people give negative trust to him his false negative trust for me will not count anymore for me right? It's unconfirmed feedback, so it doesn't really count. No actually next to your name there is nothing, it all depends on what people have other people in their trust list but for me right now i dont see anything in your trust, everything is at 0 Title: Re: negative trust Post by: leen93 on March 31, 2015, 11:42:03 AM ok when i check the same topic there is a red bar which advices people not to trade with me
but most people don't see it? Title: Re: negative trust Post by: XinXan on March 31, 2015, 11:45:21 AM ok when i check the same topic there is a red bar which advices people not to trade with me but most people don't see it? You have to go to your trust and look where it says trusted feedback, for example for me i only see dooglus on the trusted feedback and since he gave you a neutral feedback your general trust is at 0, you probably have someone else in your trusted feedback Title: Re: negative trust Post by: yatyatling on March 31, 2015, 11:59:54 AM Just checked that EcuaMobi is in both the trust depth 3 and 4. If you don't want to see it just change it to 2 and delete your false feedback for him.
Title: Re: negative trust Post by: Amph on March 31, 2015, 12:03:52 PM ok when i check the same topic there is a red bar which advices people not to trade with me but most people don't see it? i can't see it either, all i see is 0/+1(1) and this in your profile which isn't even in red letter "Attempted to run a Ponzi scheme: "You can earn 0.01 BTC by depositing the latest deposited amount + 0.01 BTC, after the next person deposit's I'll send you your deposit + 0.01 BTC back etc." but apparently didn't realise what he was doing." Title: Re: negative trust Post by: notlist3d on March 31, 2015, 01:34:10 PM ok when i check the same topic there is a red bar which advices people not to trade with me but most people don't see it? i can't see it either, all i see is 0/+1(1) and this in your profile which isn't even in red letter "Attempted to run a Ponzi scheme: "You can earn 0.01 BTC by depositing the latest deposited amount + 0.01 BTC, after the next person deposit's I'll send you your deposit + 0.01 BTC back etc." but apparently didn't realise what he was doing." I don't see it either. I have to click on your trust and look in "Untrusted feedback". I think you have enough positive and its trusted that the two negatives really don't matter much. As we don't see them beside your name, which is good. Title: Re: negative trust Post by: yatyatling on March 31, 2015, 01:49:29 PM In my trust setting (depth=4) your account is even have a light green trust! (With EcuaMobi deleted his feedback) So now there is no problem that you are having a negative trust.
Title: Re: negative trust Post by: tspacepilot on March 31, 2015, 01:57:53 PM Yup,I can also confirm that on my trust settings you show up as neutral. I can see the negative feedback from grthegreat if I look through untrusted feedback but EquiMobi must have removed whatever he had placed their earlier.
Title: Re: negative trust Post by: EcuaMobi on March 31, 2015, 03:29:04 PM There has so be a reason for the negative trust he gave me. He might be giving negative feedbacks hoping to get btc in reward to remove it which is scamming. I'm just assuming as much as he is assuming. If someone gives me a negative feedback for something I didn't do I have to give a negative feedback back, sounds logic to me... giving a false feedback is not legit and what he said is not right, I don't and nobody controls the wallet he's talking about and you can check this wallet for the rest of your life in the blockchain... I just read this thread now, OP and I already reached an agreement via PM (see below). leen93, you have had a scammy behavior and you've falsely accused me of several things and you dare complaining?! How do you dare accusing me of leaving false negative feedback and asking for BTC to remove it when you know that's not true and you're the one who blackmailed me to try to get my feedback removed?! Just for the sake of clarity this is what happened:
Finally for those wondering, I'm on levels 3 and 4 of default trust, but not on level 2 (set by default). So by default my feedback won't affect a user's trust, however it does for people who increased the trust depth (or added me explicitly). Title: Re: negative trust Post by: tspacepilot on March 31, 2015, 03:32:10 PM There has so be a reason for the negative trust he gave me. He might be giving negative feedbacks hoping to get btc in reward to remove it which is scamming. I'm just assuming as much as he is assuming. If someone gives me a negative feedback for something I didn't do I have to give a negative feedback back, sounds logic to me... giving a false feedback is not legit and what he said is not right, I don't and nobody controls the wallet he's talking about and you can check this wallet for the rest of your life in the blockchain... I just read this thread now, OP and I already reached an agreement via PM (see below). leen93, you have had a scammy behavior and you've falsely accused me of several things and you dear complaining?! How do you dear accusing me of leaving false negative feedback and asking for BTC to remove it when you know that's not true and you're the one who blackmailed me to try to get my feedback removed?! Just for the sake of clarity this is what happened:
Finally for those wondering, I'm on levels 3 and 4 of default trust, but not on level 2 (set by default). So by default my feedback won't affect a user's trust, however it does for people who increased the trust depth (or added me explicitly). So, the whole story comes out. :) Still, I'm glad everything was resolved amicably in this case. Although, I think that leet got off easily given the blackmail attempt and whatnot. Title: Re: negative trust Post by: ikydesu on March 31, 2015, 05:55:39 PM What can i do if someone (EcuaMobi and grtthegreat) gives me a negative feedback for no reason and mentioning lies within the feedback? You cant ask to admin for your trust, you must talk to who give you neg trust, like my case. I was hacked by f*cking candystripes and one of them who give me neg trust removed the neg trust because i explain the details and he's believe me with some proof i give, but one of them still can't believe me. The best way is talk to them and explain the details, give them proof. Edited: looks like the case is clear. Glad to see :D ~iki Title: Re: negative trust Post by: Neotox on March 31, 2015, 06:34:36 PM i don't see any negative trust from default trust user on your profile
they are untrusted ratings Title: Re: negative trust Post by: NUFCrichard on March 31, 2015, 07:38:27 PM i don't see any negative trust from default trust user on your profile He had negative trust fro running a ponzi, for some reason they removed it and made it neutral instead.they are untrusted ratings Hopefully he won't run any more ponzis and he won't annoy the trusted members into giving him negative trust! Title: Re: negative trust Post by: tspacepilot on March 31, 2015, 08:23:13 PM i don't see any negative trust from default trust user on your profile He had negative trust fro running a ponzi, for some reason they removed it and made it neutral instead.they are untrusted ratings Hopefully he won't run any more ponzis and he won't annoy the trusted members into giving him negative trust! Actually, it wasn't a ponzi. It was that he was offering to destroy bitcoins by telling people to send them to an address which may or may not have actually been a bitcoin eater address. This is what ecua.mobi just explained upthread. I saw nothing regarding ponzis. Title: Re: negative trust Post by: EcuaMobi on March 31, 2015, 08:28:24 PM i don't see any negative trust from default trust user on your profile He had negative trust fro running a ponzi, for some reason they removed it and made it neutral instead.they are untrusted ratings Hopefully he won't run any more ponzis and he won't annoy the trusted members into giving him negative trust! Actually, it wasn't a ponzi. It was that he was offering to destroy bitcoins by telling people to send them to an address which may or may not have actually been a bitcoin eater address. This is what ecua.mobi just explained upthread. I saw nothing regarding ponzis. Actually it was both. If you see OP's trust you can see he run a ponzi months ago. Then he did what I posted above. That wasn't his first scammy behavior. Title: Re: negative trust Post by: tspacepilot on March 31, 2015, 08:41:51 PM i don't see any negative trust from default trust user on your profile He had negative trust fro running a ponzi, for some reason they removed it and made it neutral instead.they are untrusted ratings Hopefully he won't run any more ponzis and he won't annoy the trusted members into giving him negative trust! Actually, it wasn't a ponzi. It was that he was offering to destroy bitcoins by telling people to send them to an address which may or may not have actually been a bitcoin eater address. This is what ecua.mobi just explained upthread. I saw nothing regarding ponzis. Actually it was both. If you see OP's trust you can see he run a ponzi months ago. Then he did what I posted above. That wasn't his first scammy behavior. Aha, it does seem like he's gotten off easy on this one. I apologize for missing that and thanks for setting the record straight. Title: Re: negative trust Post by: uki on March 31, 2015, 10:04:56 PM As long as trading accounts is allowed and that is not reflected in the trust ratings, the trust rating itself is of little value.
Default trust users may have already sold their account to someone else, who is not that trustworthy any more. I have raised this point several times already, yet seems nobody is interested in improving the current trust ranking system. Title: Re: negative trust Post by: tspacepilot on March 31, 2015, 10:50:47 PM As long as trading accounts is allowed and that is not reflected in the trust ratings, the trust rating itself is of little value. Default trust users may have already sold their account to someone else, who is not that trustworthy any more. I have raised this point several times already, yet seems nobody is interested in improving the current trust ranking system. Indeed, although there are folks who keep a close eye on the "password recently changed" status and let everyone know if it seems that an important account could have been hacked/sold. However, this is just a clue, so I think your point stands. Title: Re: negative trust Post by: toytoboy on April 01, 2015, 03:08:25 AM i am newbie . i really don't understand how to assess trust level. Please help me !
Thanks ! Title: Re: negative trust Post by: tspacepilot on April 01, 2015, 02:02:27 PM i am newbie . i really don't understand how to assess trust level. Please help me ! Thanks ! Here is the main thread discussing the trust system: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=211858.0 Essentially, it's a feedback network. The ratings you see are reflective of feedback from folks in your network. You can modify who is in your network and you start out with some default settings. This should get you started. Title: Re: negative trust Post by: TECSHARE on April 09, 2015, 06:17:07 AM If someone in the default trust abuses the trust, they would get removed immediately. Unless your name is Vod, or one of a handful of other buddies that get constant passes. Title: Re: negative trust Post by: redsn0w on April 09, 2015, 10:29:04 AM If someone in the default trust abuses the trust, they would get removed immediately. Unless your name is Vod, or one of a handful of other buddies that get constant passes. If Vod really abused the trust system I think he would have already been removed from the defaultTrust list, but it seems this is not the case. Title: Re: negative trust Post by: tspacepilot on April 09, 2015, 06:17:13 PM If someone in the default trust abuses the trust, they would get removed immediately. Unless your name is Vod, or one of a handful of other buddies that get constant passes. If Vod really abused the trust system I think he would have already been removed from the defaultTrust list, but it seems this is not the case. What counts as "abuse" is subjective. Furthermore the mods make it explicit that "trust is not moderated". This has to be taken with the grain of salt that everyone who doesn't look into how the trust system works is going to get the default trust settings. For those who don't agree with Vod, just remove him from your trust list: "~Vod". Title: Re: negative trust Post by: abyrnes81 on April 09, 2015, 06:46:55 PM If someone in the default trust abuses the trust, they would get removed immediately. Unless your name is Vod, or one of a handful of other buddies that get constant passes. If Vod really abused the trust system I think he would have already been removed from the defaultTrust list, but it seems this is not the case. What counts as "abuse" is subjective. Furthermore the mods make it explicit that "trust is not moderated". This has to be taken with the grain of salt that everyone who doesn't look into how the trust system works is going to get the default trust settings. For those who don't agree with Vod, just remove him from your trust list: "~Vod". As I said in the past: Stop all these bullshit, if you don't trust Vod then put before his name "~" and stop to post and post again in this thread. Totally bullshit, you are acting like kids (not you Vod, I am talking about the OP and the numerous topics in the forum). The real cancer aren't who is in the default trust, but the scammer and dishonest person. They should get fu*k out from this forum, because bitcoin is not for them. TECSHARE if you don't trust him put '~' before his username , simple ? Excluding him from my trust does not remove his fraudulent rating from my trust page, nor does it check his abusive behavior using his position on the default trust. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=915823.0 The trust system is not moderated at 99% see TECSHARE CanaryInTheMine, TheButterZone etc. Title: Re: negative trust Post by: rammy2k2 on April 09, 2015, 11:39:06 PM You cant really do anything about it, look at my trust.
I discovered many scammers on this forum, and they tried to leave me negative feedback too. On a simple check, who wants to check your trust, they will see your negative trust is fake. |
