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****Sept 1st, 2017 Update****

SatoshiDice (https://satoshidice.com/dice) is now under new ownership with instant deposits and withdrawals, on our new provably fair system.

We also have something special in the works for those of you who remember the original Satoshi Dice (https://satoshidice.com/dice).
For now, please play with confidence on our provably fair site:

https://i.imgur.com/KQUiiRr.jpg (https://satoshidice.com/dice)

Its a great site but I think that you should update the design for satoshicircle to what satoshislot and satoshidice look like. Satoshicircle its just a bit of theming with a bootstrap framework, it could be improved a lot.

Wasn't Satoshi - Dice sold to a third party because the original owner was no longer able to manage it ?

Great news.

But some of other sites offering %90, not %50 return.   

Most sites offer 90% of 1%

We offer 50% of 1.9%, resulting in a higher return per bet placed by players.

This is indeed the total gross winnings, losses not counted. We have updated the page to be more clear about this.

Thanks for clearing it out. I was also confused about it

If you invest do you get returns or loses proportional to the amount you invested? Also what is the minimum investment amount in case I want to test it out? Last question what is the current bank roll?

Pretty sure it works like this
If you own 1% of the bankroll you get 1% of the profit.
So if you have 1 btc, the site makes 100 btc profit, you get 1% of that which is 1btc so you now have 2 btc.
And the bankroll is very large right now over 4k I think

Answers to your 3 questions can be found in the "invest" page.

If your have contributed to X % of bankroll, and the gamblers lose Y bitcoin, you will earn Y * 50% * X%.
Minimum investment is 0.001 btc, and total investments by players is 549 btc.

I wasn't able to find a signed cold wallet adress for the majority of the invested bankroll. any hints where to find it?

hmm i'll think if i'll invest here

Yes, Erik Voorhes sold satoshidice to the current owner, this OP, with the price is over 120000BTC. 

"On 18 July 2013, Erik Voorhees announced that SatoshiDice had been sold for 126,315 BTC, or US$12.4 million at the time of the announcement"    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SatoshiDice

This OP is extremely rich and bought this extremely overpriced dice site. I think SD's real value was less than 10k btc, but OP costed 120K btc to acquire this site.

I am afraid they won't get the principal back in 10 years.(1 year need at least 12k BTC pure profit, I think only primedice can achieve this huge profit)

is this place better then just-dice to invest?

I guess my idea of investing 0.1 would not count for much then. Then again now that I think about it even if I make a little it is better than nothing. I'll think about investing if I do I'll post about how it is going or went.

In investing in a gambling sites, you cant actually give a review in a short term, you can post about how is it going is a short term because investing in a gambling sites is more to a long term investment, your investment profit could be in positive or minus depending on the players, if players lose a lot , you might get a few profit even with 0.1 bitcoin

If you look at the last 10 day stats on for example dicesites.com and compare, you'd see that you'd get a higher return on Satoshi Dice, but it depends on how much players play after you invest, and if they win or lose.

I'm not saying you guys aren't worthy of trust but I think you should clarify the ownership of the website.

From my understanding & conversation with insiders, SD has been sold/shifted ownership more than one time. Is your group the one that purchased the site directly from Erik Voorhees? I only ask this due to the above posts using that assumption as a basis of trust. Looking forward to some clarification.

Also, solid work with the new site.

from where you will pay this prizes? will it come from the bankroll which the players put their investments or will it be from your own pocket?

Whats the minimum investment?

minimum amount to invest is 0.001 based on what i saw on their website

still no signed cold wallet?

Bonuses, giveaways, affiliate earnings leader board prizes etc come from our own pocket. Investors benefit the most from this because it basically gives players more balance to bet and all bets benefit investors with more total EV.

Not yet, but we will definitely do this soon.

I invest some Bitcoins and so far I happy about my earnings. If this trend will continue, I will consider to invest more.
Thank you

It depends on many factors like how much action there is on the site and how much other investors put it. Your expected profit per bet is 0.0095*Your Investment/Total Amount Invested. But if players are luckier than usual, you investment will actually shrink.

So does that mean that you can actually lose your investment? If some whale comes around and wins some coins will you lose your investment?

They stated earlier that you can never lose all of your investment, it will just decrease in value like all investments. There is some risk to this but it is better than gambling as you have a 51% chance to earn money on each bet.

Would you mind saying what your % increase on your initial investment per day is?

why i'm not get 0.01337 on my ac??

if my referral  invest can I receive bonuses ?

Only the bets are counted whether its a win or loss.

I look at the thread one dice website does not pay to invest 10 BTC is very bad
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=879161.0

did you visit the exact same URL you used when you post your user ID on their giveaway? if yes, you will recieve it soon

these sites has different owners, so they've have different way of running their site. So if you've problem from that site post it in their thread not here.

Seems like Satoshi Dice give bad terms for the investors and the dicers. Most dicesites have 1% egde or less and 90% of profit to investors.
And i not see any site wager stat or how big total bankroll is. So how can someone invest without getting information?

All the stats are visible to me.if you click on invest button you can see all the bitcoins invested by player and house profit too which is 593 btc atm.

Did you create more than one account? Only the first from your IP received the bonus. Or maybe you didn't deposit and play?

easier words to actually understant this is that each time you invest, you support some percentage of the bankroll

if the site got 100 BTC bankroll and you put in 1 BTC in it, you actually support 1 % of your bankroll, so everytime the sites get profit or loss, you will gain 1% of the amount (using standard kelly)

So unless the sites bankroll goes down to 0 BTC which is likely wont be possible, you wouldnt lose all your investment

Why would you add an invest option?

You bought the site for 126,315 BTC ($11.5 Million) from erik voorhees.

To add an invest option that has "only" 646 Bitcoin ($166k) invested seems a bit odd.

Seems like you should be in the position to bankroll the site yourself and would have a far better chance of making profit back on the original purchase no?

Is Stunna right that Satoshi Dice is under different ownership than the people who purchased from Erik?

This is one important point for investors: Max win is capped at around 6.5BTC    :D

Thanks!

Yes. You can see in the whois history that the domain was not transfered.

The max win is 1% of the bankroll. If lots of players win, the max win will decrease so the bankroll can't completely disappear. In theory an investor with a high percent of a small bankroll can lose a lot of his percentage if the bankroll takes a hit and then new investors invest larger amounts.

investbed by players it says. so i guess house has something to, if not know total invested u cant know how much share u get.

So can you confirm you are the person who bought it directly from Erik?

what is minimum investment?

Minimum investment is 0.001. I have updated the investor info tab to state this now.

I just changed this to "Current Bankroll". This is the session game bankroll that investors compete with. Example: "Current Bankroll" says 400 and you invest 100. Your part of the bankroll will then be 100/500 = 20%.

Thanks for making the change, this is a lot clearer.

Anyone got experience how support is responding on Satoshi Dice regarding investment questions related to my account there? I sent mail to support more then 7 hours ago and still no answer :(. I have blocked my Bitcoins there. Hope that they will solve my problem fast.

It appears to be a connectivity issue to the API. We are trying to find out the issue. A quick workaround might be to browse the site in a device that uses another internet connection. Sorry about the trouble!

I am not sure if we talking about the same problem now. I explain my issue in the mail I sent to your support (at) satoshidice.com. I include my account and User id information there. If you can speed up the resolution then I will be happy.

Edit - yes I understand now. When I log in from another computer I can see my correct ballance.

Thank you

PS: I would anyway preffer to be contacted by support with at least information they are working on my request.

We are double checking too see exactly what happened and will get back to you asap!

I still can't find any trace of signed cold wallet, while you claim to have some kind of multi sig cold storage in place (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=77870.msg11014694#msg11014694).

care to share this finally to prove your solvency?

There is no use emailing them. A few months ago, I send a few emails. Well, never replied yet.  :-\
Well, it is fixed now. So, np.
Just post on the thread or PM him. It is more likely to be responded.

I have invested in the bankroll. Can you sign the cold wallet address please? It will at least help people to trust the site.

Thanks :)

I got very same experience yesterday. Problem is fixed now, we use PM. I would like to thank you for support. I can say that I am happy about this investment as I got good profit for few days I invest there. I am evaulating invest more in longer terms now.

Can you please update the https://www.satoshidice.com/secretlist.php (https://www.satoshidice.com/secretlist.php) automatically I mean as soon as clock hits 00:00 it reveals the secret hash for the past day.

We can't reveal it immediately because transactions can take hours to confirm and during this time a player could double spend their losing bets!

Yes we are setting up public cold storage addresses. https://blockchain.info/address/18e5jpfn9zo9GQov1Ks9Pzh6Yam2SvFqqo is the only address I have available from here.

but thats not even 50% of the claimed current br... just for my understanding: the br displayed on site is external investors only or also includes your own funds?

Correct, this is funds that is actually invested. We have 700 in cold storage that we are making public and signing hopefully later today.

not sure if you got my question correctly or at least I'm not fully understanding your answer regarding my question.

is the total cold storage 700BTC (including the 300BTC you already showed)? also, does the bankroll that is displayed on site include your(satoshidice's) own funds too?

divesting is not possible anymore  ???

They are both well established sites but keep in mind that Just-Dice requires you to use CLAMs rather than BTC. Hence you might see the value of your investment drop BTC-wise even if the dice site managed to turn a profit.

So how long do you wait until you display them?Also it seems to me that even now it does not happen automatically.

Investing in just-dice is not good idea in my opinion, we have to buy clams then invest in jd if clams loses it value your investment will drop a lot.

Now there's 700 in the public cold storage. There's also the hot wallets and transaction wallets, but we will only make a cold storage that matches current investments public. This is to prove that we can pay out current investments if investors wish to withdraw them. The bankroll displayed for the session game is only from investors.

It works now. We're trying to find out why you had this problem.

got it, thanks!  :)

currently had a good experience so far investing made reasonable profits investing around 0.1-0.2  ;) thanks satoshidice :D

Got it and replied.

(I will delete these support messages to keep this thread clean in a while just so you know it's not to hide any problems of the site from the public)

The cold storage at https://blockchain.info/address/18e5jpfn9zo9GQov1Ks9Pzh6Yam2SvFqqo is now signed.

Great work!

To large investors: we're creating a new cold storage and will not hold all your deposit in the hot wallet. Please PM us here or send an email if you wish to withdraw big. We will also be notified automatically if there's a large withdraw and will fill the hotwallet if needed.

We have now setup a second cold storage address and are filling it up with funds.

Cold Storage 1 Link (https://blockchain.info/address/18e5jpfn9zo9GQov1Ks9Pzh6Yam2SvFqqo)

Cold Storage 2 Link (https://blockchain.info/address/1GBEAxb91tea1magDAQoKnjx18oH4ax2T3)

Signatures check out ok!

And also the your API is pretty cool, maybe even too powerful. People could use it to power a tumbler service, fake investment scheme or even a fake web wallet/ponzi type site.

Re: Satoshi Dice -Scam Operator Script Vampire our Money Bitcoin i lose my Today
Today at 04:11:38 PM


Tpaнзaкции (Cнaчaлa cтapыe)  Фильтp


PEOPLE MUST KNOW TRUE
WHAT AND HOW MAKE OPERATOR EAT OUR BITCOINS VAMPIRE MY ENERGY

i not get my bitcoin in this moment   ::)
+ me  ???

this site scam people in trafic sent a lot btes/games play but win 0$ btc

old owners be pay some precentages % but in thi moment site total scam dice script

operator is scamer and fraud make pause transactions yes
i know in pratic
this guy is operator scam script
skript kid make milions in our scene
we must destroy and jude this europol

police must be detective this transaction
what not pay and pause

not result
not signal back


eat/pause our money/energy


and some in your topic people try say
4 or 5 day and months few about your project script




This not my LAUNGE I NOT ENGLISH
BUT INTELECTUAL INTUITION I UNDERSTAND 100%

READ WHY YOU NOT ANSWE IN EMAIL AND NOT REPAY NOT SIGNAL AND DELITE AND SELF CLEAR YOUR TOPICS

SEE WHAT SAY
IN PRACTIC
ABOUT YOU@!


some guys in scene
you vampire/pauze bitcoin our in practic

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No no no another ponzi scam site.

If you people invest into this you are really dumb.You know how ponzi shemes end?They will run away with the money!
Reminder; cryptodouble...

PONZI = SCAM

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Imvest and loose your bitcoins Smiley


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At least check first the site to see that is different from ponzi scams


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It's a ponzi,but with a different scheme on how the deposit multiplies...

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any membre can post screenshot of payout  ? yes this facke give litle win some time to GET CLIENT

trust to dream be milionere? or? this manipulation

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What if all users go withdraw at the same time all their coins in panic the ponzi scheme will collapse?You will payout from your own pocket? I don't think so!  Roll Eyes Because there will be a big minus...Big returns + new deposits which will be withdrawn in panic = not enough to payback new depositors = big minus
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running out with money. We think

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investment game, your coins rocketed! to my pocket then i runaway with your [Suspicious link removed]dbye my bitcoin 4 BTC


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+ MY TRANZACTION TODAY + IN THIS MOMENT YOU PAUZE/VAMPIRE

SENT MONEYBACK MY BETS
NOT ACTIVE


SOME GUY MSG YOU NOT PUT IN BETS IF 4 or 5 CONFIRMS AND NOT SENT BACK? SIGNAL NOT?

MAKE PAUZE?

SENT MONEYBACK I NOT INTEREST PLAY IN YOUR CASINO I WAIT MORE 40 MINUTES AGEIN AND NOT SIGNAL ME


YOU STUPID SCAMER VAMPIRE MY BITCOIN TODAY

I WAIT MY BITCOIN BACK IN THIS MOMENT OYUR SITE BLOCKCHAIN TO ME MY BETS OR ANSWERS WINS OR RESULTS TRANSACTION


i am sent invest my money
why you pauze my result i wint my energy bitcoin


on your brain
make please your side script vampire my bitcoin 0.12
i TODAY MAKE MY 11 TRANSACTION FIX?


I AM WAIT MY BITCOIN

 ;D

The hot wallet is now filled up again after being emptied by investor withdrawals and a lucky highroller. We're updating the statistics for yesterday. This self moderated thread will be cleaned up a bit, please don't take offence if your post turn out to be deleted in a little while. We have no intention to hide anything but large nonsensical posts in incoherent language will help noone.

Nobody playing at the moment? Something not working right?

i am playing there and many others players there rolling dice, maybe you have problem with your internet connection to access that site?

Really good looking site with clear descriptions on all details.
i have lost a small amount i put in but that doesn't mean the site is a scam.
will re deposit soon .

We're currently completing a server move. This only affects the web server and does not affect any balances or player accounts. Sorry about the trouble.

The Satoshi Dice Stats Page (https://satoshidice.com/stats/) was not working because of a missing .js file and had some errors in it that are now corrected!

I don't see the investor stats being up to date but looks like a great investment opportunity.

I have just updated the graphs!

We now have an investor that made a nice 101.51743116 BTC net profit after commission!

Haha this image cracks me up :)

Do you have plans for inluding Satoshi Slot and Satoshi Circle bets in the bankroll? It would give investor's an incentive to promote more games...

Where do i logout and login into a other username?

cool site will follow

You can change your name just click 'Change Alias' below your current name.


It is cool site if you do not need support.

I invested some and hope to gain some profit.

I invested in period of two weeks and earn about 3% from it  ;D. I withdrawn already.

looks interesting, considering investing now.

there's always this page  ;)

such a beautiful sound of the buttons but the animation slows down slightly

You're luck there was no high-rollers hitting your investments.

Yes, you are right that there needs to be luck too. It's still gambling related investment. I am sure that there were high rollers in time I put Bitcoins there. You can see your actual investment and profit all time. And it went down and up. But there is a House edge and this works well. Even high rollers will lost some day.

Yes, the sounds are great and i like the animation too.

ok it's not as bad as it looked like from the beginning, its really good actually.

how long is the response time on support?

I have only tried to get support once, and then it took a day and a half. Try to write in this thread, you might get answers faster.

I got an answer the same day.

I dont think so, I would say its even better to ask them by contact their support than write the problem in this thread because admin is not really active in this forum.

no, maybe not, but many who write on this thread have experience and often have good answers.

I contacted support once and get an answer when I asked here in the forum. The support was not responsive. But finaly my problem was solved to my satisfaction.

Up and running :D

Apparently some down time sometimes still, but i think it is more stable than before

yes hope they can keep this up  ;)

Hi are servers down or something?  Sent deposit to address and it's 6 confirmations and nowhere to be found.

My guess is the bitcoin daemon is down, wait for the fix also save your secret url and refresh the page.. balance might show up?

Is that a common occurrence?  Any idea how long it usually takes?

About 3-4 hours usually. I was gambling last day and caught up in a maintenance, but it resolved in less than 3 hours.

After all sometimes its ok to take a break from gambling for 3 hour, go out walking or something, then come back and play again :D

do not like the forced occasions one must deal with reality.  ;)

It should not happen, but we are not in perfect word. Take it as part of gambling and do no take it too serious. Problems are solved, but it need some time. My experience is couple of hours there.

To have a healthy attitude toward the few times the page is down is good, no need to get excited.

is there any promotions coming up?

You should put your affiliate link in your signature and get many referrals because they pay 10% comission of the house edge on their bets (regardless if they lose or win).

That is a very good promo in my opinion :D:D

got any commission this way ever?

A little bit, i havent got rich from it, but its possible to get some extras this way

out of little acorns grow huge oaks

Can i withdraw to multiple addresses? I would like some of my winnings in a different wallet.

Yes you can. You have to pay miners fee for each request.

whats the minimum withdrawal.

Minimum amount you can withdraw is 0.001BTC (1mBTC)

I've had a request to add satoshidice to my betting bot (Seuntjies DiceBot). Is anyone interested and willing to pay the 0.5Btc fee for adding a site to the bot?

Any chance we'll see API support for house investors?
Also your links to the API FAQ (https://satoshidice.com/test/faq/) and a lot of others on the bottom of that page are 404'd

why is there only 54% in coldwallet?

the 404 on the site is disturbing, anyone knows whats up?

Quick check today ... and site is working well. Double check your address or try later. I hope it will work for you as well.

think he refers to the FAQ sidan, i receive the 404 but the rest of the page works.

all works for me. which browser are you using?

over 107,000.000 bets made. must say its impressive.

depends on how you look at it, high number, but I do not think it is particularly impressive.

No not in dice games. And Satoshi Dice has been around for so long time too

Anyone have a good investment story? someone who has earned a lot of btc?

After a day I can confirm, made about 0.2% on my first day, not bad at all.

And since it has been around for so long it's a pretty trustworthy site I think.

It's a bit slow though, so I don't leave it open because it sometimes freezes my browser.

31th of October 2015:
An urgent server update is being performed. Account balances and investor funds are safe.

It was on the SatoshiDice homepage for ~24 hours.

We have now integrated Satoshi Slot directly into satoshidice.com and the game uses the dice wallet system that is scalable so spins will no longer lag. Anyone having funds on satoshislot.com should withdraw and use their satoshidice balance instead.

Bets and wins on the Satoshi Slot game affect the bankroll and investor's balances in the same way as normal dice rolls.

it explains the down time I guess.

will satoshislot.com close down? What happens to the funds that is left on the side?

Is anyone able to actually use the SD API ?
I keep getting errors when testing any of the calls.

Yes it works, it's used by the site itself!

I am trying to withdraw to an address ( 35YWpZi1X5ie7DvHRRkYVrvFFfs4xe9vep ) which I know is valid but it gives "Invalid Receiving Address.". Any ideas?

got the same problem, and i just made a new address and it works...

As you can see in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=77870.msg11528097#msg11528097, it is an old problem and apparently SD hasn't fixed it yet. In the meantime, use an address starting with 1 to withdraw your bitcoin.

This is correct, I will fix this now.

Withdrawals to multi sig addresses now works and I have tried it successfully.

Bets made to the block chain game from multisig addresses are currently not processed. The blockchain game is currently depreciated until we rewrite the code for it.

Ok now i know, guess it was a gamble if it worked or not, seems like they have fixed the error now. Good job!

Absolutely a great dice site. I will try it when I'll have some free time. I will write a review here when I'll be able to do this :)

Did you reload the same unique link? Every SatoshiDice user has a unique link for their SatoshiDice homepage in order to access their account, if you don't access the same link as what you accessed when you deposited, you will not be able to access your BTC.

use the unique link if it still dont work just wait for reply on the mail, sometime it take some time for the support to answer.

yes it did not work, and now I don't have it anymore but I will wait and see what happens

If you PM me the transaction id of your deposit, I can check what happened!

have pm'd and no reply.

I can confirm the problem and you will get double your balance once we get it to work. No funds were lost, the Bitcoin software just needs to rescan.

SDice_CTO = the new support?

The sysadmin and I will do most of it for now because so many issues are technical and we're implementing many changes soon.

Hello,

I would like to connect to the account I created a couple of weeks ago. I can't find where to click and put my credentials!
Also how can I activate 2 factor auth?
Do you plan to add a chat?

real nice to have more people on support.
Any fun changes?

I made deposit but i still not credit in my account although i wait 5 confirmation in blockchain 

Did you file a support ticket ?

where the fuck is my money, bunch of cocksmokers at satoshi dice don't do shit been waiting weeks

This is really great for my friend to start some gambling with faucets, he is also new with bitcoins.

This is alsso great for me to do, so that I can't lose a lot of money with bitcoin.

Is there some form of maintenance or performance testing going on, I've seen the same 3 or 4 betters for the past 12 hours and I haven't been able to bet anything. Deposit addresses were gone at first, but are now available, and I am still unable to do anything.

Been unable to bet or withdraw from bank roll for two days now. I either want my bitcoin or would like to gamble/invest it in the bankroll. I see other people gambling, but have been unable to gamble on my two accounts and any freshly made accounts.

Also, just a heads up, I'm receiving relatively suspicious messages from a btctalk account claiming to be SatoshiDice support. They're are going under the handle of "SatDiceTechnicalSupport" and are claiming that the customer support manager is having health issues.

I have told them of my issues regarding betting, withdrawing, and investing in the bank roll, and despite me mentioning nothing about deposit troubles, they are attempting to get me to deposit funds to a singular fresh BTC address with no transactions and are also claiming I will receive a 10% bonus for doing so, but they apparently cannot supply the bonus to funds already in a SatoshiDice wallet.

I was also talking about 3 separate Satoshi Dice accounts, and was not given 3 deposit addresses, any way to deposit to three separate accounts, or to differentiate deposits to the same address from each other. I have done no such thing and have no intention to, but just a heads up to anyone else that gets PM'd, beware, this is obviously incredibly fishy, and I shall await any verification from known SatoshiDice support channels before performing any actions.

That certainly sounds like a scamming attempt. There should be a "Report To Admin" button at the bottom right corner of the PM, please click it and report the PM. Hopefully an admin/global mod could ban the account before someone falls victim to it.

Still no update on missing deposits, no reply to an email sent and the funds have been transferred through the blockchain.

Simply put: Someone is actively moving out the funds while refusing to solve the issues of deposits dissapearing the same instant the transaction gets confirmed by the blockchain.

Update: Issue has been Solved, SatoshiDice has refunded my original deposit and a compensation for things going wrong when the deposit disappeared

My issues were sorted, was a matter of the site not accepting new connections. Now having new issue of not being able to withdraw to wallet or invest in bank roll on one of my two active accounts. I can still bet on both, and functions are all working on my secondary account.

Take your time to read , the site seems to have some issue with some players that have their balance gone after deposits were made. However satoshidice denied it has anything to do with their system and said that the players has initiated the withdrawal themselves

After exchanging a few messages over the past days with Satoshi Dice support, they've concluded that there have been wallet sync issues. I'm still experiencing issues on one account, but was credited .05 on a freshly synced account, and the support was very helpful, albeit a little slow in responding to issues. I don't believe there's any scams going on here, you guys need to stop jumping on the "scamwagon" every time there's an issue. SD has been running fine for 3 years, and they obviously turn considerable profit, why would they give that up?

As I stated in my previous comments, support has informed me they are having wallet sync issues. Freshly made accounts with new addresses are synced up, but some existing accounts are still unsynced.

Was able to withdraw now. Wouldn't call scam. The front page could use some clear information that they are having sync issues, if that is their problem. Best for everyone involved.

Update: Issue has been Solved, SatoshiDice has refunded my original deposit and a compensation for things going wrong when the deposit disappeared

The issues that I had were resolved yesterday, updated on the other topic but forgot about this one.
My apologies!

I think, to get investors is very easy because the site you are already older than 1 year, it means your site is indeed the right safe for investment.


but I hope you must renew your team site, because I think the theme is now less attractive.

So now they are not scammers?? Are you serious? :/

Hopefully your problem is completed and provided the best solution

no it is not. has worked for over 3 years , there are a few who had sync problems and many of them start screaming scam directly, a tip is to calm down, the support is slow but you will always get help.

my tip would be dont put anymore than you are willing to lose into any gambling sight, investor or punter.  its not wise   ::)

Is this just like justdice ?

You can invest the bankroll !

Issues that jimwin, ErikvanBreen and stacey2911 had are now fixed, so I'm removing those posts from the thread.

Good to keep the thread clean, some people goes nuts when no one responded within minutes  :-\

but now it has been lots of holidays. surely many are off duty and certainly many who play, so there's bound to be a backlog of support cases.

satoshidice site can not open last 2 hours, how about you? i already tried 2 different computers.

edit: ok now open. 15:28 GMT Time.

Hi I have only just found out about the site and have just read through the thread and am set on the idea of making a small investment and seeing how it goes, and if I am regularly able to withdraw without hassle, then maybe making a larger investment.

Can someone answer one question for me though? If I invest, is there any point in also playing the game? I understand that I would be gambling against myself (or more correctly, gambling against myself+a lot of other people). Would this have the effect of cancelling out my winnings/losings, thus rendering it a waste of time? Or would it effectively hedge my bets, offering me a safer, but lower rate of return?

AFAIK, there is no automatic password recovery. So you have to send them an email at support@satoshidice.com and ask for their help.

problem solved.....Thankyou......great site.....I recomend it is very good ;)

One of the best sites

So ... are people who are investing this generally seeing a return?
I put in a couple of BTC a few days ago and have just been sitting here watching my balance going down, very very slowly.
I guess this means a lot of people are beating the house?
So this kind of feels like it has all the bad bits of gambling (losing money) and none of the actual fun (playing a game), lol.

Interested to hear if anyone can let me know how much they have made/lost over the med or long term, as an investor.

When you zoom out the "Total profit" graph on https://dicesites.com/satoshidice, you can see a clear upward trend. When you zoom in the graph, you will see many short-term ups and downs. I haven't invested in SD but in some other sites, but the nature is pretty much the same.

My apologies if it was answered somewhere earlier in this thread, but why isn't this site available in the US? I haven't encountered another btc gambling website (with or without an invest option) where US players were forbidden.

This decision was made on the basis of extensive legal counsel. The best way to limit legal risk for SatoshiDice, and thereby protect its stakeholders, is to block US players.

Note that this decision does not mean that online gambling is illegal in the US, nor does it mean that Bitcoin gaming is illegal. However, the courts have not been clear on the definition of gambling, nor on what would constitute “legitimate gaming,” nor are jurisdictions properly defined, and thus this is a proactive measure to protect those involved in the project.

Further, this decision is not being made because of any citation or notice from any government agency, whatsoever. This is not, in any way, related to the recent Gox/Dwolla court order issue. Again, it is a proactive measure, based on the prudent legal guidance of our trusted lawyers.

We believe this is a wise move for the site to perpetuate in the long term.

Further, to clarify, SatoshiDice is hosted in Switzerland and has never utilized US currency or engaged with the US banking system whatsoever.

At the time of writing, there's 1000+ coins in profit for investors. The biggest investor currently has 287.89908571 BTC in profit, so there's definitely money to be made.

It would cancel out winnings at the percentage you have of the investment. If you invest 5000 BTC, you'd get roughly 50% of the bankroll. If you then roll and win 100, your investment would go down by 50. If you on the other hand lose 100, your investment would go up 50 and you'd also be charged 25 in commission if divesting and withdrawing.

If you invest 100, you'd only get about 2% of the bankroll, and roll until losing 100, it would give you 2 coins to your investment and charge 1 coin in commission. Winning 100 would make your investment lose 2 coins.

We're under DDoS attack, but it seems just blocking a couple of thousands if IPs solved it for now.

Thank you for your timely and comprehensive reply. I'm a little disappointed that I can't contribute and invest in the site's bankroll, but I understand your "playing it safe" approach.

It's back again now. The attack intensified earlier today, but is solved for now.

I hate how much DDoS-ing has become a thing these days :-/ CloudFlare and other mitigation technologies have rendered them not much than a nuisance.

A few days ago we have changed the main cold storage to:
1DmqFgYfKMT1F8B3tGhVMFf82vdgdSsjNV
Signed Message: Satoshi Dice Cold Storage signed 2015-12-27

And secondary cold storage: 18e5jpfn9zo9GQov1Ks9Pzh6Yam2SvFqqo
Signed Message: Satoshi Dice Cold Storage signed 2015-04-12

The old addresses are no longer in use.


The DDoS is still ongoing, but in low volume so the site is fully functional at the time I'm writing this.

What is now the site could've used ..?? Because I played yesterday but the site cannot be used. And after I see on these forums turns stricken DDOS, whether that issue is over done..??

Why is there only 2000 BTC in cold storage suddenly from 4500? that's much less trust/confidence in the existence/security of stated funds then before; less then half of the bank to be shown is very little assurance. I just checked the balances on those 2 addressess and they add up to about 4300, so it's there, but on the site it says each has about 1000, leading one to believe a priori that only about 2000BTC are in those 2 cold storage addresses, so I'd fix this and display on the website the 3000 of that first one instead of 1000 if I were you and wanted to attract investors.

I still take issue with the following about lack of 2FA:

speaking of security, why haven't you got an optional 2FA security for users? unless you consider the password the 2nd factor, and the url the 1st? not nearly the same level of security as an OTP accessible from ones smartphone, like google authenticator IE.

please introduce 2FA ASAP, and increase the cold storage (at least 3/4 or so); until then I don't feel safe to put my money on something with so little assurance and security.

I also noticed that some of the numbers on the section "How Investor's Percentages of the Bankroll Are Determined" are wrong.

"The original investor's 15 coins now make up 75% and the new investor's 5 coins make up 25% of the total bankroll. If now another 10 coins are lost by players, the first investor gets 7.5 coins and the second investor gets 22.5 2.5 coins, bringing their investments up to 22.5 and 7.7 7.5 coins"

and one clarification, the stated "house profit" is the investor profit right? the expected 0.95% of wagered BTC; not the total casino profit expected house edge of 1.9% correct?

another thing, on the "Potential Risks for Investors"

in the last part you should also include the risk of the operators of satoshidice playing as  a player but having access to the server seed know in advance what the outcome will be thus can win every bet, thus scamming money from investors. unless you found some solution to this problem of the current implementation of provably fair.

lastly, I still can't access users pages, stats pages, new user, and others; is this still from the ddos?

I have fixed this. The text is currently static and needs to be updated every now and then.

Yes, we're implementing this.


You are correct, I have updated the text!

"House profit" is profit taken from bets minus wins (1.9% edge). So the amount being paid to investor's is half of this (can be considered 0.95% edge)


Yes, this is true. I added it. The same applies if there's unauthorised access to the server and someone can create winning bets.

Yes, we're still under a heavy DDoS attack, but it's under control thanks to hardware DDoS protection. We're still tweaking the DDoS protection rules and believe the attacker runs completely out of variations soon. We expect user profile pages to be enabled today.

Could you not automatically ban IPs that are connecting with a secret key that leads to an account with any amount of btc in it? I think is perfectly reasonable to assume that people trying to access their own bitcoins are not the ones behind the ddos.

thanks for the updates.

(just a note, the text still says 7.7 whereas it should say 7.5)

regarding:


that means the house profit is quite alot lower then I would expect. according to my calculations this means there is only an effective house profit of about 1.13% instead of the expected 1.9% (it's about 60% of 1.9%). I know variance, but after more then 255'000'000 bets this is extremely low! the standard deviation after this many bets with the average bet of 0.0008btc is only 12.669btc; yet the current deviation is of 1556btc; that is 123 deviations! that odds of that are practically zero. so either a lot of people are betting big and when in the positive never betting again thus taking a significant portion of expected profits away, or something more fishy is going like the possibility I mentioned of someone with access to the server seed making sure-winning bets.  it's just because as an investor this means the annual rate of return has been about 18% instead of the expected 33% that would come from a 1.9% (0.95% for the investor) house profit. for such a risky investment as this, 18% doesn't seem all that much, whereas 33% would seem more appropriate.

my calculations were as follows:

total wagered=total won+total loss=total won + (total won + profit)= ~202342
effective house edge=effective profit/total wagered=~1.13%
average bet=total wagered/number of bets=~0.0008
standard deviation=2*averagebet*sqrt(#bets*probability of winning*probability of losing)=~12.669btc
current deviation=expected profit-effective profit=(total wagered*1.9%)-2288=1556btc

care to comment/explain or check my calculations/logic? how does something that a priori has a practically infinitesimal probability of occurring (123 standard deviations) occur? can big players that stop betting altogether after being in the positive really account for such a huge deviation? if so, I would like to understand how, why or some source, cause to me that seems extremely unlikely given what is known of gamblers and casinos.

Yes this makes sense, but I'm not sure we can configure the DDoS protection to do this very easily. We're getting some false positives but are working on it.

I just fixed this, thanks.


Average bet size doesn't really say much because one highroller betting 20 coins amounts to 20,000,000 minimum size bets, and those min bets are by far the most common amount. I think you are trying to make a too complicated formula. Profit has actually been higher than expected value and the bigger the biggest bets are, the bigger likelihood of the actual profit differing from the EV. For expected profit just put total bet amount x 0.019... Total wagered is available in the global stats API call. Dicesites.com has great presentation of the stats.

ah, yes. I see that now.


the total wagered from that dicesites.com is clearly wrong given it is little more then the amount won (they apparently show total won + profit; it ignores the total amount that was bet and lost (except for the profit)) (plus it shows the data available on your site that starts in 5/11/14, yet gives the start date of 18/04/12; which from an investor POV is deceivingly very unflattering; it would make one think that the wagered and profit of the last year and 3 months was actually spread out over the life time of the site; and thus RoI per year would be much less (roughly 1/3)).

 the total wagered can easily be calculated from 2 stats on your site, total won and profit: as I explained before, "total wagered=total won+total loss=total won + (total won + profit)= ~202342" (currently is about 203518);   this is because obviously total wagered is total won + total lost (there are no ties correct?) and total lost is equal to the amount that was won plus the profit cause that's the only way the profit could be what it is. you understand this, yes?

thus: total bet amount x 0.019 is 3866.842. 1586  less then the actual profit of 2280, like I said actual profit is about 60%(59%) of expected.

anyway, maybe this is perfectly reasonable variance IDK; although if I were you as a casino I would like to know what the variance and standard deviation is for the games on my casino.

is the DDoS attack over now, is the site safe to use?

Yes it's over, and even if it would start again, we have powerful hardware DDoS protection setup!

Where do you get the total loss from? Of the total wagered, some rolls win and some lose. From what has been wagered, 0.019 is expected to be taken off from bet payouts as profit. We provide the total wagered amount and house edge is accomplished by taking a sum off winning rolls' payout.

Payout: ( betAmount * (65535+1) / numberToRollUnder ) * ( 100 - 1.9 )

Total bet amount as seen in the API: 104469.02610966

104469.02610966 * 0.019 = Expected house profit = 1984.911

Actual profit: bets 104469.02610966 - wins 102119.66460453 = 2349.36150513

From the house's perspective, the EV is the same no matter the bet size, but players can place more bets with low probability before running out because profit is taken from payouts and if payouts occur less often, it takes longer for the player to run out of funds (on average).

I also see that the current stats include (or ignore) slot game rounds as session game rounds. EV on those is slightly higher for the house, and they are credited to investors. I will make the global stats API call give more data about this.

Having connection issues. The site doesn't load most of the time, but isitdownrightnow says it's up and my investment has been growing the last couple days so it is obviously active.

thanks for sharing this awesome tips, looks like good one, i will try it soon!

Can you please PM your IP number and we'll see if it's in the firewall!

CURRENT BANKROLL:
4971.60283588 BTC

We're getting close to 5000 BTC bankroll  :)

Congrats on 5102.19913406 BTC Bankroll :)

I know this is less than the amount JD had invested before they started using the CLAM altcoin stuff. But perhaps as much in dollar value? Are there sites with bigger amounts invested?

Dooglus probably knows how much JD investments were at the peak. It's possible to see in this JD blog: http://just-dice.blogspot.com/2014/06/investment-amounts-22-june-2014.html

Seems last BTC investment amount on JD before they stopped was when Bitcoin was worth around $600 22 June 2014.

Investor amounts according to that blog mentioned above = 53279.64519176

53279.64519176 * 600 = 31,967,787 USD

Current bankroll: 5166.86843269 BTC which is about 2,066,000 EUR at 400 EUR/BTC

more than 5000 BTC, I would not have imagined when I started playing on Satoshi Dice.

Finnaly, well done!

Guess it just to continue to play now then. Anyone having trouble or lost BTC´s afterwards?

Has anybody here made investments ?
How much did you make and how did it go ? If you can could you put a number on the % returned each day ?

How many confirmations does this site take for investors ?
and how the heck do I get a password in there ?

https://i.imgur.com/rbeB1Yv.png

That stalls on Firefox and just spins and spins and spins on Chrome... Spinning and spinning
---------------

So I look on the Slots page and there is money there, but I have no idea or way to get it out.
I can't set a password in any browser and only the slots page show me having any money.. Man never ever again

yea, it would be great to hear from someone who has been there from the beginning, this thread been around for almost a year now.

The site has been around since 2012-04-18 and this thread since April 02, 2015

Some stories from investors and some promotions would be great.

18e5jpfn9zo9GQov1Ks9Pzh6Yam2SvFqqo

Satoshi Dice Cold Storage signed 2015-04-12

IOA3ZteOy3Qbs00aFXsik0zYQZpI0MvoLLWdpeldvVvEamCUb1Q4KVudF0Zp6ONnnpWCzQ6tCjpYfxpQfe+tvYk=

1GBEAxb91tea1magDAQoKnjx18oH4ax2T3

Satoshi Dice Cold Storage signed 2015-04-13

H3hpbdwUdL5IkZ61veRsG19UEGCx6BOVbfMrs8tHXLvZSOzeW09EC8lEpoAy8GxJ/JJWsKAZYMEWsB89w+Hha8Y=

anyone with withdrawal problems? or just me?  :-\

Had problems for a week. Support doesn't get back to me after 5 emails... So You are not the only one.

perhaps time to send one more email. has only sent one so far  :P

Site isn't loading properly. It just keeps saying loading data. Nothing works.

Satoshidice owner is Shapeshift.io's owner right? whois records indicate a connection...

I don't seem to find any relation between two, mind explaining how they're related? btw satoshidice whois record is private.

Yes, the whois records are private but found Eric Voorhees as the owner of one of the server's ip address.

Looking up his name, he owns Shapeshift.io and "Partiality owned" Satoshidice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_Voorhees.

Probably still owns it somehow, or has relations with current owner.

He had sold satoshidice long ago, i don't know if he holds shares or something.
http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-company-acquisitions-begin-gambling-site-satoshidice-sells-for-11-5m-126315-btc/

in OP it says:


Does this mean that if you invest you will likely loose 0.05% of what you invested?  I hope that isn't right because that is an awfully lousy ROI.  There would be no point in investing if you are only going to loose money.  Can anyone clear this up?

it means as an investor you have 0.95% stake against each bet a user places.

Satoshidice also has the same.

Ya you are right . your stake is 0.95% , for every bet .. if the bet wins . you loose 0.95% of that , if bet looses , you get 0.95% of that winning bet .

Can anyone tell me whats the minimum here to invest?

Minimum investment is 0.001 and there is no upper limit.

I am very glad that you have a bankroll with very large current and I hope you are not tempted to do with the amount of things that can ruin your reputation and I hope you always keep an eye on every transaction in your site so that someone who wants to ruin your reputation can't do the news slant.

yes please, keep on top of things, has been a little shaky lately.

It means the house edge is 1.95%, investors get paid .95% of the 1.95%, the house takes the other 1.0%

thanks for the clarification

i invested in this site ......nice return

less feature and its hard to win on this site.. unlike other dice game that you can bet even 1 sat..

Are anyone still playing here?

Yes of course, you can see quite a bit of activity in the stats page (https://www.satoshidice.com/stats/) and on the Leader Boards (https://www.satoshidice.com/leader-boards/).

We have a 200 satoshi faucet that you can use in order to play and win bigger...

Satoshi Dice is updating to a new version of the website any time now. Investing features will be rebranded to "betting on the house bankroll", as this is what the backers (previously called investors) do.

If the site suddenly gets a new look, fear not, but register with your old secret and fill in the necessary details!

interestiong news, will be fun to see the new version

Try to improve support instead of visual appearance of the site.

Try to avoid those annoying questions when someone wants to leave your site "do you really want.." This is immature and if you you are professional you must correct this immediately. You can change it to different kind of questions, about feedbacks, this is less annoying.

Satoshidice provides secret URL's which contain a secret key, they ask for you to share it with no one. I didn't share mine with anyone, my browser is relatively secure and i don't use windows. So there is no way anyone else has access to my secret url.

Now the problem is, they are not helping me reset my secondary pass phrase which entered before making the deposit. I haven't changed this password, i'v tried all my known passwords too and none of them work, i get blocked by their firewall after entering 5-6 passwords so i gave up.

I contacted support through email, after a couple of exchanges they asked me for details on where i logged in from and what times i logged in. I explained that i used a VPN, provided some information but couldn't go past the security checks they implemented.

They continued to ask for what times i deposited, i explained it's a stupid thing to ask as all i need to do is look up on the blockchain and that the rest of the information they had been asking is easily findable on my account, that i have access to.

In the end, the support reached a conclusion. They said, i will have to wait for some time so they can confirm no one has access to the account who knows the password for the investment. So i said ok and waited. Weeks past, it's been 2 MONTHS!. i kept emailing them to ask about the status, but they didn't respond. After nagging them on the Bitcointalk thread, i found out they now have a new customer support team.

I emailed the new customer support team (same email & PGP), they answered right away, asked me the same security check questions and i asked them to check the records of our previous conversations and help me with my account. Was told there are no records of the old emails, but after sending them copies of the encrypted messages (and the decrypted versions of them) they stopped replying.

Today the support team finally responded on Bitcointalk with this (after i asked if i'm a fucking ghost to them):
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=77870.msg14473202#msg14473202

You don't need a password to make a successful investment, and * certainly haven't made a divestment*. The balance remains intact on my investment and they now chose to ignore me.

From what i can gather, Erik Voorhees (founder of Shapeshift.io) owns/used to own a fair share of this website. Does anyone how i can find any other information about the owners as it's private and i need to file a police report, it's the only thing i can think of doing other than warning others of them.

They used to be a reliable company, but switched ownership a couple of times. The new owners are incompetent and the support team are assholes.

You need to prove that you were the one who originally funded the account. That's what I did and they reset my password for me.

so you can't verify anything not even IP or Country(?) or even sign a deposit address and don't remember password . What the possibility you are just social engineering and trying to get money out of an account which doesn't belong to you ? Hmm... honestly i can't believe that a site with 2million bankroll would risk its reputation on stealing " " your " "  coins (!) and since most of the users with password problems have got their problem resolved with signing address or at least somehow, it really seems that you are trying to get something out of nothing :)

+1

Site worked fine for a few days, but now it's back to being stuck on loading.

+1

use your resources smart. get your priorities right.

Aalrighty then. I now need a username and password to get to satoshidice. What the fuck?

Have you read the text in that pop-up window?

No popup and it's back to normal and working again. Let's hope it stays that way this time.

Scratch that, popup demanding name and pass is back.

and now its just a secret url ***#DoNotShareThisURL

try using this link.

https://satoshidice.com/ (https://satoshidice.com/)

yeah it works, thanks for the help

Hi Satoshi Circle (if this is not the right thread please send me to the right one).

I have been sending a bit of traffic to your site recently. How does the affiliate payout/tracking system work?

I have my bitcoin address put in your system so is it an automatic payout? Or do I need to log in or?

Thanks  :)

The official thread for SatoshiCircle is https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=731924.0, but since SC and SD are under the same company, I guess you can also get an answer posting here.

Thanks Shogen :)

Will check there too!

In the new layout of www.satoshidice.com I cannot find the withdraw button. I am sure I have searched everywhere. Please help. Many thanks.

PS: Yes, I am logged in.
EDIT: Being helped by Radian Hero via email :)

Is called CASHOUT . I wonder why, since there is no cash involved.

Now what the fuck is going on. All I get is an error page that reads:

BADLY SECRET
many cookie eaten so much MD5
very salted
GET NEW SECRET AND COOKIE HERE



Clicking the get new secret and cookie link does nothing, going through satoshidice.com does nothing.

What. The. Fuck.

Oh yeah, and it also has a gandalf you shall not pass sign. Because why the hell not.

site down for me also, why is SD so consistently bad at announcing downtime (if that's what this actually is) ?

If not, perhaps users lost funds, cuz......who knows what's going on right?

Why did no one even question why the site suddenly switch to email / password?
What was wrong with the old method?

Site was back up, now back down again...DDOS?

any of the investors who know nothing about the downtime?

At this point SD seems uncommunicative to the point of comedy. I'd take any investment with the house as a big risk until there's evidence to the contrary or new updates explaining:


1. Why the site changed to an email based login

2. Why all the recent downtime and no prior warning of downtime.

Otherwise treat your deposits as disposable assets and don't be surprised if they go missing one day.

So it's down again? WTF
I think the owners should give an explanation everytime the website goes down, you're messing with other people money!

thats not good...site gone down again...thats just messing up the reputation of satoshi dice...need to find a permanent solution for that

Is up for me...

Whats with the frozen leaderboard? I Finally thought i could have got a prize and it's not working anyway ;/ Cost me more than the prize to get it lol.. can i get the prize anyway? :o

The leaderboard isn't frozen for me. Have you tried clearing your cache? This fix seems to work almost all the yoke for browser glitches.

The OP is right. Here's why.

90% of 1% = 0.9%
50& of 1.9% = 0.95%

So satoshi dice should be about 5.5% more then most sites.

Still is for whatever reason, and even on other devices shows the exact thing.. ah well, someone bet me anyways ; (

Try reset your IP or internet connection. But properly ask your ISP to do it unless you can do it remotely yourself.

Could you explain more please? if you're having problem loading site use vpn/tor. vpn would be a viable option, it's faster.

I don't use any vpn or proxy to access, and its the same on other devices but thats on the same connection, but even on my phone its the same using the phones internet connection... Reset cache \ cookies on the main pc just to test but no difference, pretty weird?

I'm really glad im invested here 0.95% is great its the same ad some casinoes entire house edge. So i earn the same return without even owning a casino.  ::)

I'm not able to log into my account since yesterday. I tried multiple devices and multiple browsers. When I try to log in it will just skip to the landing page without logging in.

edit: fixed

login broken.

6 days ago
leen
less than 193 (0.29%)
162
W
0.00100000 BTC
x333.113
+0.33211303 BTC

I made this bet (usderid: 678356)
and didn't get the 0.1 btc while i didnt see anyone winning a bet with a lower chance of winning
+ the leaderboard never updates

please fix this and put the 0.1 btc in my account if you can't provide me a proof of someone getting a higher multiplier on a >=0.001 btc bet that day.

personal messages on bitcointalk to satoshidice are also being neglected for over a week now

Still no reply on my personal messages while he has been online several times. What's going on with satoshidice?  ???

how can we check the leaderboard? people who didn't login for months are on there and my bets don't get on there

I invested 2 days ago. And now i can't login to the site. It just loops and refreshes the page.

I am having the same problem. When I go to log in with the email/password combo (last time I logged in a few weeks ago I converted over from the old log in system), it just loops me to the main page, and I have no way to check on my invested coins.

Someone fix this please!

Does anyone from SD read this thread?  ???

There was an issue with one of the servers being unable to create sessions properly but this has been fixed so everyone can login/create accounts now!

I'm having problems with login looping back and can't make a new account any info or help please ???

happy to see that everything is working again keep it up. Any plans on signature campaign?

API slow response in win situation

Looks like they got help.

Hi, this is my first post in  this forum. I have a question for the admin of satoshidice, i had deposited btc to invest in satoshidice and had been making good profit for the last 1 week, had been  montoring it every now and then as it is my first investment. For the last two hours when i checked, there is a sudden loss of -0.00054137 for my 0.06104869 investment, is there any way i can verify this , there is no high roller nor winning streak players for the last 2 hours , the same record big win cracker08063 has been there for many days. my id is gy76pp.

Losing faith in the investment....

Please advise

HI, i made a deposit that shows up on the blockchain with sufficient confirmations but has not hit my account, who can i contact to get this fixed?

Just want to mention here that we've been having fun promoting Satoshi Dice on our show! Great, trusted site with all the features you need in a dice game.

Our first promo was a few minutes into this episode (https://youmeandbtc.com/bitcoin-podcast/trump-vs-hillary-the-race-to-tank-the-economy-boost-bitcoin-ymb-podcast-e143/). :)

Hi,
I am newly invested. But for me the site behaves strangely. First it took me a day to get registered.. I use mac Safari.. newest built. Also tried on iPad and iPhone..which strangely works best.
So..it took one day to register.. the pages would hang.. Then it took two days to invest and then a day to get my investment into the bankroll... Is this my problem or do you have server issues.
M

I haven't used this site for a while - in the past I invested fairly heavily with up to 10 BTC on the house, and enjoyed some nice returns -
However then I started to experience a few problems - for a while I was unable to log in and make withdrawals. This was resolved but it put me off investing anything other than very small amounts.
Thinking of giving it a go again - can anyone verify that it is still working reliably, i.e users are reliably able to make withdrawals, and payouts on investment are working as they should?

You are not the first individual to have issues with this site. I don't know why you are replying in this thread because there is one which is more current and has much more replies its located at

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=77870.0

Apparently there are many issues with the site, especially the hot wallet which is almost always empty and lately the site seems offline more than online.

At the moment would be best not to make any new deposits and wait patiently for the hot wallet to refill so you can make your withdraw.

I have just made a transaction to fill the hot wallet. People can withdraw as soon as it confirms.

This forum thread is better actually better to use. The old thread is confusing since it was a different game at the time the thread was started.

Nice Christmas Spirit to DDoS and put the site down in the holidays. Was happy when I could finally login again and coins still available but I withdrew just to be safe.

Update: The hotwallet now has funds available.

Some deposits that were made during the Christmas Day DDoS had not been credited to their accounts. This has now been fixed!

Finally could cash out, seems they fixed previous issues.

E-mailed and crossposted in other thread:

I just logged in after ~3 weeks and my account is missing ~77.4 bitcoins that were invested in the site bankroll. My password also did not work. I reset password, which did work immediately, and upon logging back in the account created date was accurate but the user name was changed and the "last active" shows "0000-00-00 00:00:00" 

Is there someone from Satoshi Dice I can communicate with directly about this matter? I'd really like to not lose this amount of money...


 

also worth noting the balance on the landing page was 0.00041523BTC and I'm fairly certain (not 100%) that it was at 0 before, indicating someone divested all funds and cashed out almost everything? Can someone access my account's withdrawal history???

Yes we have your history, please see the PM I sent you and let's communicate there.

I didn't see any PM, just sent you one.

We have increased the fees for transactions we send out now so that they will confirm within a couple of transactions!

Besides one short PM two days ago w/ little information, I've received zero communication from Randian Hero or anyone from Satoshi Dice about being robbed for ~78 BTC. I hope this means they are busy conducting an internal investigation, but it's definitely starting to look bad on their end. 

I'm filling up the hotwallet now and also we see that the fee increase worked fine and most withdrawals are accepted into the next block.



Yes, we are investigating this case.

Ok, would be nice to hear anything about that, even if it's when I can next expect to hear something. The total silence is kind of painful when I have 78 btc on the line. On my end, I've seen no evidence whatsoever of my email being compromised. No unknown devices logged in and no persons had access to my devices.

It seems very strange that between the 27th (the day my account was compromised) and 1st, 600btc was divested and emptied from the hot wallet, pictured here: (not sure why image isn't inserting into post)

http://i65.tinypic.com/2h5o1ux.png

There's been some minor updates made to the website:

• The last process of password recovery was working, but the password recovery page showed a spinning icon instead of indicating that the password was successfully updated. This has been fixed now.
• The API had some old calls in it for recent rolls data. They are now updated to the current ones.
• It is now more clear that winning one of the leader boards no longer gives a prize.
• The game mechanics at the bottom of the API dcumentation (https://www.satoshidice.com/api/) had a missing % sign in it and has been clarified.

We have made an update in the API documentation, please let me know if you still cannot get it to work.

Balance is 0

Can someone give me support contact?

Dean, nice to have you back. I invested here. And I see that my 72btc became 66 btc in the last days.. but that may be through normal winning/loosing of some whales. I am very worried however that I loose money but the banks profit does not fall???

Looking at the charts:

https://dicesites.com/satoshidice

On Jan 11 they ostensibly lost 326 BTC, so that's probably where the drop comes from

Hey Radian Hero,
can you explain why my bankroll investment went from 79 btc to 65 btc.. since 1 of Jan but you state that the profit has risen in that same time?
Would also be quieting if you would reply to betking.io's accusations here. .
I AM VERY WORRIED>>> Give us something... !!!
I am 3% of you bankroll!!

Rhavar.. Thank you a lot for your answer.. Yes.. that makes sense...
That was this guy Underdog. See his statistics  https://www.satoshidice.com/user/ed10cec930365a1af6db2225843f6e36 (https://www.satoshidice.com/user/ed10cec930365a1af6db2225843f6e36)
He plays always 0,25 btc.. but when he wins he has a leverage of hundreds and when he looses he only has 0,16 x .
So. He signed up on 11 of January and won 300+ bitcoins in one run... Hey...GIVE ME A BREAK>> the guy know the server seed...Do you not think?? I am not so savvy in theses things.. but it seems fishy.. Any opinions? Or an explanation of Satoshidice...PLEAAAASE

Good question! How can investors check if really a foreign customer won these 300+ Bitcoins? Where is the transparency?

Considering that larger amounts escaped from investors' accounts and satoshidice probably will be declared bunkrupt if victims initiate legal action, I would be not surprised if this 300+ Bitcoins win was an inside job.

From primedice website


Alleged win on satoshidice 6 x higher and exactly after large Bitcoin amounts escaped from investors' accounts! Very curious....

So he won that much with 58% of luck?? That's really impossible without knowing the seeds or something. It smells.

Hey Radian,
Have you checked all these users on your site with names like pirate012334 or underdog12345, all created on 13 Jan 2016 and all winning like hell?
Please write somehting so I know you guys still exist.
I tried today to retrieve 68 btc and managed 5 OK. Please tell when you prop up hotwallet.
Yours maiden

Is there even somebody around in this forum? Or only lawyers trying to sell legal advice and scammers trying to throw oil imto the fire??
I got 55 btc out of my 68 ...so not all is that bad...obviousely hope they prop up hotwallet soon..
Their support is non existent as far as I have experienced??? Sad.
Maiden

No idea why this thread exists when its not the main thread for Satoshidice, it would be best for this thread to get locked because its annoying checking these 2 main threads.

The main thread where the owner provides support is located at
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=77870

From time to time the owner chimes in and refills the wallet and answers some questions. However from a standpoint, I would say that support is virtually non-existent.

Do you plan to return this feature?
I enjoyed the competition.

It's explained in the first post.
The old thread has outdated information in the OP which can't be removed by the new owners.

I've been updating in the other thread, but want to keep both threads up to date on the situation.

After 15 days of silence, Randian Hero has PMd me simply "someone got your password" with zero details or evidence. To summarize the ridiculousness of this:

- Myself and (at least) 2 other high balance investors had our accounts emptied out in the Dec 27 - Jan 4 time frame.
- During this time, you can see multiple people complaining about the hot wallet being empty, and being unable to cashout small amounts, like <1BTC.
- Yet the stolen amount is around 150 BTC between the three accounts - first noticed on 1/4 - and the implication is that these funds are gone, which makes no sense given how hard it was for anyone to get even small amounts off the site during that period.
- Even if the 3 investors were coincidentally compromised at the same time, given that there's no way that much could have been taken off the site in that time frame, it would have been extremely easy for them to freeze 90-100% of the funds until they figured out what happened.
- There was no mention of any email being sent my address about withdrawal requests or password resets. Presumably both of these things would have happened under a normal 'hacking' scenario.

At this point it is very hard to imagine any explanation but that the site has robbed us. It's almost pointless to try and communicate with them, since their response to a large robbery to is literally to PM short sentences every 15 days, that contain no meaningful information, and ignore everything else.

Jake,
I agree with you. Ask the (inexistent) support for you access logs, so you can figure out what happened. Ask the blockchain history of you address.. (that you can even look up yourself I think.. if you remember the addresses.. ). And.. for your amount they should provide a skype or fone that you can talk.. we are talking about 60k USD..
Hope you can figure it out..
maiden...

It's none of my business anymore since I divested from your bankroll.
But your new user https://www.satoshidice.com/user/ed10cec930365a1af6db2225843f6e36 (https://www.satoshidice.com/user/ed10cec930365a1af6db2225843f6e36) Underdog01253 has by now won 1500, one thousand five hundred! Bitcoins... with 60% luck..
Hail the gamblers..
I am really happy for the guy.. But I continue thinking it unlikely...

I just saw it with my own statistics.. This page only shows the won amount.. So it is likely that underdog01253 has lost a considerable amount.. however we do not see the result openly.. He is just a whale and I was wrongly worried that the site might have a problem.. sorry about the confusion

Why do they not show the "Total Net Won" of a player?

How can investors see / prove the "Total Net Won" of satoshidice.com?

Because I think it is private information... sort of..

Private information in the sense of satoshidice.com keeps this information secret or in the sense of investors receive this information per personal message or can see it within their investor account?

...as in..when you go in with xx btc and then have 0...you know U R bust...haha

https://www.satoshidice.com/stats/#slotGameCumulativeProfitSlot shows a 300BTC drop on Jan 11. It is from Slots not Dice.

AFAIK Satoshidice doesn't show profit of player, so we don't even know if Underdog has made a profit or loss. I don't see anything really suspicious here.

Investments cover both Satoshidice and Satoshislots. Wins and losses in Satoshislots affect investor balances.

If you cannot win a big multiplier, what is the point in playing slots?

The round links for Satoshislots https://www.satoshislot.com/round/1431336?nick=Underdog01253 etc are not working.

Well its very difficult to say if they are scammers or not because on the other thread someone had a 72 BTC amount stolen. After much complaining the site eventually resolved the issue because the user commented that he was satisfied with the result.

So its really difficult to say if they are criminal or just plain lazy or disorangzied. If they were scammers then they wouldn't of sent him back the 72 BTC.

@game-protect I still don't see your point. :P




The misunderstanding may be either because you are referring to a currently outdated T&C or they added the part later. It comes to whether or not the part was in there on Jan 11.




The article is also outdated.

https://blockchain.info/address/18e5jpfn9zo9GQov1Ks9Pzh6Yam2SvFqqo has 1,120.99992 BTC


Have some evidence to back your accusations. Right now it looks like all you want to do is spread FUD and get some customers on game-protect.

"game-protect"  you have a lot of fans here it seems: "Warning: Trade with extreme caution! " from your profile..     LOL

Interesting. AFAIK slot game share the same bankroll as the dice game. 'Satoshi Dice's bankroll' mean the entire bankroll of Satoshidice, of both the games. 'Satoshidice uses a 1.9% house edge...' is inconsistent with the first sentence, it suggests they did not update the terms after they integrated slots into Satoshidice or am I wrong? Did they?

Do any other bitcoin dice sites allow investment too?

So what is your profit /loss over 6 to 12 - I didn't get a chance to read through all the previous pages

Is the dices sites website legit? Does it have accurate figures? Why do companies record their figures their? Wouldn't they want to keep them secret?

That doesn't answer any of my questions - should I not ask them?

I am sorry I guess I am super dumb but
why do they do this investment stuff?
satoshidice's owner paid 1200btc he dont have anything to cover wins, he would rather split half the profit why?

I dont understand

it's mainly to share risk with investors as well as increase the maximum bet limitations etc... since the bankroll participated by investors would raise the maximum bet by increasing the capital.

I don't think they are broke, but just lowering the risk and increasing total betting size available.

Yes. Some of my friends who have invested in the bankroll said the same thing. They are just lowering the risk of losing their funds.
SatoshiDice was one of the best dice games site in the past and hope will get good future.

The owners of the SatoshiDice domain are planning a new and better service for www.satoshidice.com. Stay tuned for more updates soon!

All users and bitcoin balances can be found on www.megadice.com.

Great news update.

Say are you guys the longest running dice site here on bctalk forums?

Did you once have a campaign going at one time for signatures?

Are you new to bitcoin? Correct me if I am wrong but I think this was one of the first bitcoin dice sites ever created. These are not the original owners however. This site was sold for record profit a few years ago.

Watch this http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2821314/ if you want to know more about the site. Its featured in that Bitcoin documentary.

Its hard to say if it was a scam or not. They mostly had hosting outages. There was a gambler who couldn't withdraw like 70 BTC or so but his case finally was met with resolution.

I am not sure why this thread still exists when there is a more popular thread at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=77870

As far as I know I have no idea what happened to those investor funds and that mysterious huge whale gamblers who had a huge winning streak. There was a separate thread that a user created and I can't find it anymore. And its not listed on that other Satoshidice thread either.

Would be nice to figure out how that issue was resolved.

hey, as far as I have followed up, I was one of the guys invested and complaining about the whale winning it all.
I got my money out, their support started working, they payed off the guy who lost 70btc (probalby due to his own fault, phishing) and everybody was happy.
I have not since then gone back to satoshidice and when I checked yesterday the rebranded to megadice.. yepp

Actually we are very very very very sorry for the way in which Megadice let the SatoshiDice (https://satoshidice.com/dice) community down.

SatoshiDice (https://satoshidice.com/dice) is now under new, and completely trustworthy ownership with instant deposits and withdrawals, on our new provably fair system.

We also have something special in the works for those of you who remember the original Satoshi Dice (https://satoshidice.com/dice).
For now, please play with confidence on our provably fair site:

https://i.imgur.com/KQUiiRr.jpg (https://satoshidice.com/dice)

What is going on here?

Looks like some serious cognitive dissonance in the Megadice/SatoshiDice saga.

Blatant lie!

Also, you are on the Curacao licensing scam operators (https://game-protect.com/curacao-licensing-scam/) list!

Trustworthy? Are you kidding us?

We currently don't, and never have had a license in Curacao.  We don't know anything about the people behind Megadice,  but in our book they are scammers as well.  Our current system is 100% provably fair, never holds customer funds at all, so you have absolutely nothing to risk.
Give it a try today at https://satoshidice.com/ (https://satoshidice.com/)

Wow, that is strange... What happened here? SatoshiDice ownership changed and have became MegaDice, now SatoshiDice is back, but with new ownership? Real new ownership or is it the same original owner from the old days?

Or is it just a fake attempt from someone trying to look like SatoshiDice?  :o

So SatoshiDicePR can you give an explanation of what has been going on with this site in the past years?
It seems hard to trace the background of this business - Wikipedia just mentions it being sold once in 2013.
Seems a lot more has been going on to me. Used to keep a decent size deposit in the SD bankroll which gave me pretty nice rate of return but can't see myself doing that now unless there was a lot more transparency about what's been happening.

I do not think they can give you the exact answer but last time they said that they are already under new management which is really good on managing their funds and everything well. But until this day, no one ever claimed it that they really get those benefits for players

Basically its very difficult to see who the new management is.

Something happened prior to the management changing with the bank roll. Apparently some new user won alot of money and caused the bank roll investment profits to shrink.

We raised questions which were all unanswered. This happened months ago, ever since then its been going more and more downhill.