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Title: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: Muhammed Zakir on April 11, 2015, 01:04:38 PM Hello,
I was browsing forum and everything was normal but a few minutes ago, forum wasn't loading. I tried many times reloading, it didn't come. When I looked isitdownrightnow, it stated Bitcointalk is up. So I used VPN and then I tried, forum loaded. This weird issue occur some times to me. Does anybody know a reason or a workaround for this issue? Thank you! Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: Welsh on April 11, 2015, 01:18:16 PM What error is it reporting? Does it just timeout? Seems like this is a problem on your end. So checking your computer for the things below might be a good idea. There was a recent IP address change, so it might be the protection that theymos is using. They might be blocking your particular ISP or country.
There's a few things to check: - Clear cookies & cache. - Are you using HTTP Everywhere? Sometimes, this can mess up and case issues with certain sites, I don't think this is the case for this though. - Check "hosts" file and alter if needed. - Flushing the DNS - Check if your ISP is blocking it Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: Muhammed Zakir on April 11, 2015, 02:23:45 PM What error is it reporting? Does it just timeout? Seems like this is a problem on your end. So checking your computer for the things below might be a good idea. There was a recent IP address change, so it might be the protection that theymos is using. They might be blocking your particular ISP or country. There's a few things to check: - Clear cookies & cache. - Are you using HTTP Everywhere? Sometimes, this can mess up and case issues with certain sites, I don't think this is the case for this though. - Check "hosts" file and alter if needed. - Flushing the DNS - Check if your ISP is blocking it Thank you for replying! Browser is saying I am not connected to internet. Yeah, I noticed the thread about IP address change. I will post the result after doing this. However, I may not flush DNS. Is it necessary? P.S. I don't think ISP is blocking. This happens only sometime. If it happen, I won't be able to access the forum for next some minutes or even few hours unless I use VPN. Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: theymos on April 11, 2015, 02:27:36 PM Maybe you're doing something that the anti-DDoS service is blocking. I haven't had any other reports of this, so you're probably doing something quite unusual. It might be something else, too.
Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: xandry on April 11, 2015, 02:32:17 PM I think it would be nice if you show us or you compared just some network diagnostic results. I mean ping, traceroute by ip and by name with VPN connection and without VPN connection. ;)
It is normal procedure in such cases. edited: fixed errors Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: Muhammed Zakir on April 11, 2015, 03:02:08 PM Maybe you're doing something that the anti-DDoS service is blocking. I haven't had any other reports of this, so you're probably doing something quite unusual. It might be something else, too. Thank you for replying! I am really a noob to these things. So my questions may utterly wrong or stupid. Sorry if it is. I am only browsing forum using a very slow internet. So here are the questions:
I think it would be nice if you show us or you compared just some network diagnostic results. I mean ping, traceroute by ip and by name with VPN connection and without VPN connection. ;) It is normal procedure in such cases. edited: fixed errors Thank you for replying! I got the error when I used mobile and I get this when I use PC too. ATM I am using PC and I can't replicate this issue. When it happens again, I will try to post these details here. My VPN is either connecting via Canada or US. I don't remember which country it showed when I use. Edit: I suddenly couldn't post this and I couldn't open anything. So I pinged and here is the result: Code: Pinging bitcointalk.org [186.2.165.183] with 32 bytes of data: After some seconds, I pinged again: Code: Pinging bitcointalk.org [186.2.165.183] with 32 bytes of data: Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: CIYAM on April 11, 2015, 03:07:22 PM The pings indicate it simply is unable to access the server which perhaps is due to timeouts if your internet connection is slow (although I guess DDoS protection might block pings).
Also note that although you might not be doing anything suspicious if another user with a very close IP address is up to no good then DDoS blocking could affect you also. Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: CIYAM on April 11, 2015, 03:11:31 PM @theymos - I've noticed when pinging since the IP change there is a "non-specific reverse DNS" entry:
Code: PING bitcointalk.org (186.2.165.183) 56(84) bytes of data. This might cause the forum to have troubles emailing users (unrelated to the OP but just thought I'd mention this). Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: Muhammed Zakir on April 11, 2015, 03:22:09 PM The pings indicate it simply is unable to access the server which perhaps is due to timeouts if your internet connection is slow (although I guess DDoS protection might block pings). Also note that although you might not be doing anything suspicious if another user with a very close IP address is then DDoS blocking could affect you also. Okay! Thank you for telling. But why it is only happening when I access this forum? Oh! I didn't know that. IP address can only be close if he is near me or manually change to an IP address close to me, right? I have met many people and AFAIK only one or two person is near to me who at least know what Bitcoin is. He has registered here but I guess he isn't posting here. He is ~1+ km away from my home. Does this still apply? Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: CIYAM on April 11, 2015, 03:28:07 PM He is ~1+ km away from my home. Does this still apply? Maybe (if he is using the same ISP) - if you have more than one internet provider (by using say a 3G internet USB device) then you could try via the different ISP (without the VPN). If it works perfectly via 3G but not via your normal ISP then it is far more likely to be due to IP blocking. Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: theymos on April 11, 2015, 03:44:10 PM If it works perfectly via 3G but not via your normal ISP then it is far more likely to be due to IP blocking. It might also indicate that his normal ISP is having temporary problems connecting to the forum's ISP. I guess these problems started long after we switched to the anti-DDoS service, and I haven't received any other complaints about this, so I feel like it's somewhat unlikely to be the anti-DDoS service. @theymos - I've noticed when pinging since the IP change there is an "non-specific reverse DNS" entry: Fixed, thanks. (The change will need time to propagate.) Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: Muhammed Zakir on April 11, 2015, 03:52:18 PM He is ~1+ km away from my home. Does this still apply? Maybe (if he is using the same ISP) - if you have more than one internet provider (by using say a 3G internet USB device) then you could try via the different ISP (without the VPN). If it works perfectly via 3G but not via your normal ISP then it is far more likely to be due to IP blocking. Nope. I tried with different ISP which was much faster than this and I get same problem. At the time of posting I used 3G and I had to access this forum via VPN. If it works perfectly via 3G but not via your normal ISP then it is far more likely to be due to IP blocking. It might also indicate that his normal ISP is having temporary problems connecting to the forum's ISP. I guess these problems started long after we switched to the anti-DDoS service, and I haven't received any other complaints about this, so I feel like it's somewhat unlikely to be the anti-DDoS service. As I have mentioned above, problem still occurs with different ISP. @theymos - I've noticed when pinging since the IP change there is an "non-specific reverse DNS" entry: Fixed, thanks. (The change will need time to propagate.) Thank you! Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: CIYAM on April 11, 2015, 04:11:51 PM Nope. I tried with different ISP which was much faster than this and I get same problem. Hmm... both were 3G or one 3G and one ADSL (or other)? Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: Quickseller on April 11, 2015, 04:24:18 PM I think it would be nice if you show us or you compared just some network diagnostic results. I mean ping, traceroute by ip and by name with VPN connection and without VPN connection. ;) You should post a traceroute both with your VPN and your ISP. This will most likely yield much more useful information and will give much more conclusive results as to if it is the anti-DDoS service or an issue with your VPNIt is normal procedure in such cases. edited: fixed errors It is an expected result to have timeout errors when attempting to ping the forum's IP address when you are unable to access it edit: I don't think the anti-DDoS service likes people to tracert the forum: No VPN Code: Traceroute has started… Code: Traceroute has started… Code: Traceroute has started… Code: Traceroute has started… Code: Traceroute has started… Code: Traceroute has started… Code: Traceroute has started… Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: Muhammed Zakir on April 11, 2015, 04:56:12 PM Nope. I tried with different ISP which was much faster than this and I get same problem. Hmm... both were 3G or one 3G and one ADSL (or other)? Yes but different ISPs. Could that be the problem? I think it would be nice if you show us or you compared just some network diagnostic results. I mean ping, traceroute by ip and by name with VPN connection and without VPN connection. ;) You should post a traceroute both with your VPN and your ISP. This will most likely yield much more useful information and will give much more conclusive results as to if it is the anti-DDoS service or an issue with your VPNIt is normal procedure in such cases. edited: fixed errors It is an expected result to have timeout errors when attempting to ping the forum's IP address when you are unable to access it Okay! I will post traceroute tomorrow. ATM I can not do it. Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: CIYAM on April 11, 2015, 05:08:13 PM Hmm... both were 3G or one 3G and one ADSL (or other)? Yes but different ISPs. Could that be the problem? I guess it could indicate an issue with the 3G device's connectivity (maybe it is just losing a lot of packets due to poor signal). Your VPN software might be using UDP rather than TCP which perhaps could explain why it appears to work better via the VPN (but quite a bit slower I would think if this was the case). Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: Muhammed Zakir on April 11, 2015, 06:26:26 PM I guess it could indicate an issue with the 3G device's connectivity (maybe it is just losing a lot of packets due to poor signal). This probably is. Your VPN software might be using UDP rather than TCP which perhaps could explain why it appears to work better via the VPN (but quite a bit slower I would think if this was the case). The speed is same. Doesn't look a bit faster or slower. Thank you all for taking the time to reply! I really appreciate it. Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: CIYAM on April 11, 2015, 06:33:17 PM The speed is same. Doesn't look a bit faster or slower. You have checked with pings to be sure about that (as even up to 100 milliseconds might not be noticed if you are just judging by eye)? Also - I'm not 100% certain but I think that VPNs that use UDP actually tend to run faster than those using TCP (but less reliably of course) so if your VPN doesn't seem slower than going direct then it is perhaps more likely that it is using UDP. If that is the case it might simply be that your VPNs software "emulation" of TCP via UDP works more reliably than *actual TCP* (so the issue would in that case just be due to the 3G poor quality connection losing packets). The other possibility is that your country is screwing with your internet (like the Great Chinese Firewall does) which would be the simplest explanation for VPN working more reliably than a direct connection. If that is what your problem is then you really have little choice except to use the VPN or a tunnel. Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: irfan_pak10 on April 11, 2015, 06:43:43 PM Im Also Getting The Same Messages After some Intervals. I cleaned my Cockies and Every thing I dont Know What Is this
http://s22.postimg.org/vgq1tzykx/Bitcointalk.png Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: GregH37 on April 11, 2015, 08:00:38 PM Im Also Getting The Same Messages After some Intervals. I cleaned my Cockies and Every thing I dont Know What Is this http://s22.postimg.org/vgq1tzykx/Bitcointalk.png Yeah Im also Getting the Same Problem what Should I Do ? What error is it reporting? Does it just timeout? Seems like this is a problem on your end. So checking your computer for the things below might be a good idea. There was a recent IP address change, so it might be the protection that theymos is using. They might be blocking your particular ISP or country. There's a few things to check: - Clear cookies & cache. - Are you using HTTP Everywhere? Sometimes, this can mess up and case issues with certain sites, I don't think this is the case for this though. - Check "hosts" file and alter if needed. - Flushing the DNS - Check if your ISP is blocking it I did This But Getting the same Problem Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: theymos on April 11, 2015, 08:35:29 PM When bitcointalk.org isn't working, run traceroute bitcointalk.org (Linux) or tracert bitcointalk.org (Windows) using the not-working connection. Post the result here. If you don't want your IP address to be public, completely remove any lines containing your IP address.
Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: Muhammed Zakir on April 12, 2015, 05:06:19 AM Now, I can connect without VPN. I still don't understand what was the reason, however, some of them told possibilities. Anyway, thank you!
Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: redsn0w on April 12, 2015, 10:35:47 AM Now, I can connect without VPN. I still don't understand what was the reason, however, some of them told possibilities. Anyway, thank you! Can you post (I'm curious) your traceroute (hide your personal ip)? This is my : Code: Traccia instradamento verso bitcointalk.org [186.2.165.183] @theymos, what is https://186.2.165.2:8006/#v1:0:18:4:::::: (ddos-guard.net) is it a new ddos service "installed" here in the forum (after the ultimate ddos attack)? I don't remember to have seen it in the past month (or maybe I didn't noticed it). Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: Muhammed Zakir on April 12, 2015, 03:38:31 PM Without VPN:
Code: traceroute to bitcointalk.org (186.2.165.183), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: CIYAM on April 12, 2015, 03:43:04 PM Those times are very slow (you'd feel right at home in China) so I am not surprised if you are getting timeouts.
Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: Muhammed Zakir on April 12, 2015, 03:58:45 PM Those times are very slow (you'd feel right at home in China) so I am not surprised if you are getting timeouts. I understand but why do it last for hours? Even though if I get some timeouts, it shouldn't last for hours, right? What do you mean by "you'd feel right at home in China"? Does it mean something else than what it looks? I live in India, btw. Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: CIYAM on April 12, 2015, 04:02:37 PM I understand but why do it last for hours? Even though if I get some timeouts, it shouldn't last for hours, right? Very hard to know if you don't know why you are getting such poor times. What do you mean by "you'd feel right at home in China"? Does it mean something else than what it looks? I live in India, btw. I live in China (sorry - guess you didn't realise that) so I am all too familiar with extremely restricted and slow internet. Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: Muhammed Zakir on April 12, 2015, 04:20:02 PM Very hard to know if you don't know why you are getting such poor times. Okay. Most of the times, it only happens when I connect to this forum. That's why, I was curious to know the reason. I live in China (sorry - guess you didn't realise that) so I am all too familiar with extremely restricted and slow internet. No problem. Restricted and slow internet are seen widely in villages in India and I assume it is same in villages in other parts of the world[1] but mine isn't slow always, I get up to 300 kbps[2], however, restrictions are high. [1] However, there are villages without enough electricity and technologies where we can not see internet and even if there is, we can only see in certain places. [2] It is possible 300 kbps is fast for me as I haven't experienced/used a faster connection. I will keep this thread open. Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: 2112 on April 12, 2015, 04:46:56 PM Without VPN: This trace reads like misconfigured equipment. I see about 6 seconds in the 4th hop then the final is reached in around 1 second. My best guess is this is a misconfigured firewall doing reverse DNS on every packet and letting them through only after RDNS failure. Notice that the packets without explicit reverse DNS address take several seconds whereas the packets with a set reverse address only take 1 or 2 seconds. This used to be a known bug with Microsoft Proxy/ISA/Forefront Server.Code: traceroute to bitcointalk.org (186.2.165.183), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets There's no physical reason for this type of ISP latency on Earth, it would only make sense for some space communication. Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: Muhammed Zakir on April 12, 2015, 05:26:14 PM This trace reads like misconfigured equipment. I see about 6 seconds in the 4th hop then the final is reached in around 1 second. My best guess is this is a misconfigured firewall doing reverse DNS on every packet and letting them through only after RDNS failure. Notice that the packets without explicit reverse DNS address take several seconds whereas the packets with a set reverse address only take 1 or 2 seconds. This used to be a known bug with Microsoft Proxy/ISA/Forefront Server. There's no physical reason for this type of ISP latency on Earth, it would only make sense for some space communication. Thank you for telling! I am using Linux Lubuntu. Is there a way to fix this if this is misconfiguration? Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: shorena on April 12, 2015, 05:39:42 PM This trace reads like misconfigured equipment. I see about 6 seconds in the 4th hop then the final is reached in around 1 second. My best guess is this is a misconfigured firewall doing reverse DNS on every packet and letting them through only after RDNS failure. Notice that the packets without explicit reverse DNS address take several seconds whereas the packets with a set reverse address only take 1 or 2 seconds. This used to be a known bug with Microsoft Proxy/ISA/Forefront Server. There's no physical reason for this type of ISP latency on Earth, it would only make sense for some space communication. Thank you for telling! I am using Linux Lubuntu. Is there a way to fix this if this is misconfiguration? If its on the 4th hop or later its a problem of/with your ISP. Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: 2112 on April 12, 2015, 05:59:26 PM Thank you for telling! I am using Linux Lubuntu. Is there a way to fix this if this is misconfiguration? How can anyone help you without you posting the very detailed information about your setup? You'll probably also need at least temporary access to another computer and/or another ISP.Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: chronicsky on April 12, 2015, 06:31:17 PM Though it's not much frequent but i have experienced it many times over some months. And yeah it's specific to this forum only, when i tracert'ed it , it went Timed out for some seconds and then back on , though my Internet connection is working fine ATM . But it never turned out to be much issue , after max of 1-5 refresh's it's back on track . But sometimes i have to clear cache to get it running :-\
Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: Muhammed Zakir on April 12, 2015, 06:55:36 PM How can anyone help you without you posting the very detailed information about your setup? You'll probably also need at least temporary access to another computer and/or another ISP. Sorry for lack of details. What all details are necessary? As I have mentioned earlier, I have tried with another ISP. Though it's not much frequent but i have experienced it many times over some months. And yeah it's specific to this forum only, when i tracert'ed it , it went Timed out for some seconds and then back on , though my Internet connection is working fine ATM . But it never turned out to be much issue , after max of 1-5 refresh's it's back on track . But sometimes i have to clear cache to get it running :-\ So is it because of some problem in India? It will be helpful if any Indians other than who posted here can tell whether they are experiencing any problems. Thank you! Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: redsn0w on April 12, 2015, 06:59:47 PM ... So is it because of some problem in India? It will be helpful if any Indians other than who posted here can tell whether they are experiencing any problems. Thank you! Can you post a traceroute when you are connected through VPN? I would like to see the difference between your first trace and the second. Thanks. Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: 2112 on April 12, 2015, 07:18:01 PM Sorry for lack of details. What all details are necessary? As I have mentioned earlier, I have tried with another ISP. The details are necessary for anyone to really help you. The only people who will not ask for details are the scammers who will need the minimum information required to plant a trojan/exploit on your computer, especially if you seem to have just one machine loaded with coins.The first detail I always ask: do you know what you doing? Like the basics of networking: local vs. globally-routable IP? My experience shows that it is the best to assume that somebody having weird problems simply has very minimal understanding of networking and pretends to be knowledgeable for reasons related to the social status. On another forum I've watched someone posting about "trying different ISPs," with no success. Finally somebody posted who knows the particular city. It turned out that the "different ISPs" were just a different resellers for the same ISP, just selling in different languages and with different marketing/payment plans. Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: Muhammed Zakir on April 12, 2015, 07:34:58 PM Can you post a traceroute when you are connected through VPN? I would like to see the difference between your first trace and the second. Thanks. Will do tomorrow. Sorry for lack of details. What all details are necessary? As I have mentioned earlier, I have tried with another ISP. The details are necessary for anyone to really help you. The only people who will not ask for details are the scammers who will need the minimum information required to plant a trojan/exploit on your computer, especially if you seem to have just one machine loaded with coins.Okay. Thanks for telling! But is it easy to plant malware with "minimum" information? What is considered as "minimum" information? The first detail I always ask: do you know what you doing? Like the basics of networking: local vs. globally-routable IP? As I have mentioned earlier, my knowledge in this is very limited. I looked more about locally and globally-routable IP. I think I understood basics/theories. My experience shows that it is the best to assume that somebody having weird problems simply has very minimal understanding of networking and pretends to be knowledgeable for reasons related to the social status. I understand what you are telling. I have done it myself one or two times. On another forum I've watched someone posting about "trying different ISPs," with no success. Finally somebody posted who knows the particular city. It turned out that the "different ISPs" were just a different resellers for the same ISP, just selling in different languages and with different marketing/payment plans. Nope. I used different ISP not modified same ISP. Anyway, thanks! Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: 2112 on April 12, 2015, 08:06:51 PM Okay. Thanks for telling! But is it easy to plant malware with "minimum" information? What is considered as "minimum" information? I don't know what is the minimum information required to rip-off somebody. Probably the most common rip-offs are done with a help offer via Teamviewer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TeamViewer#Fraudulent_uses but I'm not really up to speed in that racket.As I have mentioned earlier, my knowledge in this is very limited. I looked more about locally and globally-routable IP. I think I understood basics/theories. Personally, I don't think you understand the basics.Code: 13 10.10.48.5 (10.10.48.5) 2463.142 ms 2974.825 ms 5016.395 ms Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: Muhammed Zakir on April 12, 2015, 08:29:14 PM I don't know what is the minimum information required to rip-off somebody. Probably the most common rip-offs are done with a help offer via Teamviewer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TeamViewer#Fraudulent_uses but I'm not really up to speed in that racket. Thanks for the link! Personally, I don't think you understand the basics. Code: 13 10.10.48.5 (10.10.48.5) 2463.142 ms 2974.825 ms 5016.395 ms I think I understand what you are trying to proove. I posted exact lines(except I removed first 3) I got after running the command "traceroute bitcointalk.org". I didn't want to make changes as it may lead to more complications. So...? Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: 2112 on April 12, 2015, 09:05:08 PM I think I understand what you are trying to proove. I posted exact lines(except I removed first 3) I got after running the command "traceroute bitcointalk.org". I didn't want to make changes as it may lead to more complications. So...? I apologize in advance for being blunt. I don't otherwise will achieve any sort of positive communication.M.Z. doesn't know what he's doing. He's afraid to admit it. He had either: 1) managed to get his computer&gateway working by installing some malware or shitware that screws up routing 2) buys his Internet access from some black market supplier, equivalent to earlier Indian dishwallahs who frequently were resellers of cracked-encryption satellite TV receivers 3) steals his Internet access from someplace with significant restrictions 4) is completely honest and forthright, but pays for Internet access to somebody who does 1)-3). The situation you are with is typically called "painted yourself into a corner". You are now afraid to make any changes, like a floor painter who didn't think ahead and didn't plan a way to leave the room he had to paint. Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: Muhammed Zakir on April 12, 2015, 09:17:28 PM I apologize in advance for being blunt. I don't otherwise will achieve any sort of positive communication. No problem! I like to hear all opinions. M.Z. doesn't know what he's doing. This maybe true. He's afraid to admit it. Why should I be? I am browsing and partcipating in this forum. He had either: 1) managed to get his computer&gateway working by installing some malware or shitware that screws up routing 2) buys his Internet access from some black market supplier, equivalent to earlier Indian dishwallahs who frequently were resellers of cracked-encryption satellite TV receivers 3) steals his Internet access from someplace with significant restrictions 4) is completely honest and forthright, but pays for Internet access to somebody who does 1)-3). I am fairly positive that all four are wrong. I always try to be careful when I install something.[1] The situation you are with is typically called "painted yourself into a corner". You are now afraid to make any changes, like a floor painter who didn't think ahead and didn't plan a way to leave the room he had to paint. I am not afraid, I don't know what to do. This problem is happening to chronicsky too and he is an Indian. It's not only for me. I thought I would get workaround or reason if I post here. Nevertheless, thank you for your reply! Edit: [1] was answer to your first question. Mentioning so it won't be misleading. Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: shorena on April 12, 2015, 09:27:07 PM I think I understand what you are trying to proove. I posted exact lines(except I removed first 3) I got after running the command "traceroute bitcointalk.org". I didn't want to make changes as it may lead to more complications. So...? I apologize in advance for being blunt. I don't otherwise will achieve any sort of positive communication.M.Z. doesn't know what he's doing. He's afraid to admit it. He had either: 1) managed to get his computer&gateway working by installing some malware or shitware that screws up routing 2) buys his Internet access from some black market supplier, equivalent to earlier Indian dishwallahs who frequently were resellers of cracked-encryption satellite TV receivers 3) steals his Internet access from someplace with significant restrictions 4) is completely honest and forthright, but pays for Internet access to somebody who does 1)-3). The situation you are with is typically called "painted yourself into a corner". You are now afraid to make any changes, like a floor painter who didn't think ahead and didn't plan a way to leave the room he had to paint. Post your trace will you? Mine shows two class A IPs as well, just before "reaching" the DDoS protection, my ping times are significantly better though. See redsn0ws post above, they also have similar IPs 10.10.48.5 and 10.10.68.11 Mine: Code: traceroute to bitcointalk.org (186.2.165.183), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets These IPs do not show when I use an VPN (university line). Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: redsn0w on April 12, 2015, 10:00:07 PM I think I understand what you are trying to proove. I posted exact lines(except I removed first 3) I got after running the command "traceroute bitcointalk.org". I didn't want to make changes as it may lead to more complications. So...? I apologize in advance for being blunt. I don't otherwise will achieve any sort of positive communication.M.Z. doesn't know what he's doing. He's afraid to admit it. He had either: 1) managed to get his computer&gateway working by installing some malware or shitware that screws up routing 2) buys his Internet access from some black market supplier, equivalent to earlier Indian dishwallahs who frequently were resellers of cracked-encryption satellite TV receivers 3) steals his Internet access from someplace with significant restrictions 4) is completely honest and forthright, but pays for Internet access to somebody who does 1)-3). The situation you are with is typically called "painted yourself into a corner". You are now afraid to make any changes, like a floor painter who didn't think ahead and didn't plan a way to leave the room he had to paint. Post your trace will you? Mine shows two class A IPs as well, just before "reaching" the DDoS protection, my ping times are significantly better though. See redsn0ws post above, they also have similar IPs 10.10.48.5 and 10.10.68.11 Mine: Code: traceroute to bitcointalk.org (186.2.165.183), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets These IPs do not show when I use an VPN (university line). Can I ask you what is your internet speed? If you want also post a speedtest (using speedtest.net) thanks. Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: 2112 on April 12, 2015, 10:11:41 PM I am fairly positive that all four are wrong. I always try to be careful when I install something.[1] It is hard for me to take your statements on their face value. I'm an experienced engineer, but the teenage computer-gaming-kids I know all are well aware of their ping times. So when somebody posts a multi-second ping times like if this is nothing special all I can think of is http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=space+cadet . It is very hard for me to really put myself into your frame of mind, when the teenage kids near me (about 6th grade) all know their ping times and discuss them in the breaks of their soccer matches.I am not afraid, I don't know what to do. This problem is happening to chronicsky too and he is an Indian. It's not only for me. I thought I would get workaround or reason if I post here. Post your trace will you? Mine shows two class A IPs as well, just before "reaching" the DDoS protection, my ping times are significantly better though. See redsn0ws post above, they also have similar IPs 10.10.48.5 and 10.10.68.11 What is the point? I don't have routing problems. I always have at least 2 ISP available when at home, and all of them properly filter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martian_packet . Is "Superkabel" a reseller of "Kabel-Deutschland"? That setup looks like a typical reseller agreement where the reseller has no technical knowledge to maintain their network, only to do the billing. Perhaps you should ask you ISP why they don't filter martians? Your uni seems to have competent network engineers.Code: traceroute to bitcointalk.org (186.2.165.183), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets Edit: The only thing of that may be of interest is that from my Eastern European ISP I see a hop to the Western Europe via Code: bundle-ether9.ffttr4.FrankfurtAmMain.opentransit.net (193.251.255.201) Edit2: Since more people posted the traceroutes with 10/8 subnet, I think it may be worthwhile to ask their ISP if they distinguish between bogons and martians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogon_filtering & http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martian_packet) and why don't they use RPF (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_path_forwarding). theymos should probably also ask ddos-guard.net what is going on. I have no way of testing that because all the ISPs I have access to properly filter martians and my access to the internal ISP traffic engineering tools is very limited. Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: Muhammed Zakir on April 13, 2015, 05:07:38 AM I am fairly positive that all four are wrong. I always try to be careful when I install something.[1] It is hard for me to take your statements on their face value. I'm an experienced engineer, but the teenage computer-gaming-kids I know all are well aware of their ping times. So when somebody posts a multi-second ping times like if this is nothing special all I can think of is http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=space+cadet . It is very hard for me to really put myself into your frame of mind, when the teenage kids near me (about 6th grade) all know their ping times and discuss them in the breaks of their soccer matches.I am not afraid, I don't know what to do. This problem is happening to chronicsky too and he is an Indian. It's not only for me. I thought I would get workaround or reason if I post here. Thanks for the title! ??? "one who is so easily lost in reverie that he or she loses all awareness of the surrounding physical world." You maybe an expert in this but I ain't. So I need help unlike you. Post your trace will you? Mine shows two class A IPs as well, just before "reaching" the DDoS protection, my ping times are significantly better though. See redsn0ws post above, they also have similar IPs 10.10.48.5 and 10.10.68.11 What is the point? I don't have routing problems. I always have at least 2 ISP available when at home, and all of them properly filter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martian_packet . Is "Superkabel" a reseller of "Kabel-Deutschland"? That setup looks like a typical reseller agreement where the reseller has no technical knowledge to maintain their network, only to do the billing. Perhaps you should ask you ISP why they don't filter martians? Your uni seems to have competent network engineers.Code: traceroute to bitcointalk.org (186.2.165.183), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets Edit: The only thing of that may be of interest is that from my Eastern European ISP I see a hop to the Western Europe via Code: bundle-ether9.ffttr4.FrankfurtAmMain.opentransit.net (193.251.255.201) Edit2: Since more people posted the traceroutes with 10/8 subnet, I think it may be worthwhile to ask their ISP if they distinguish between bogons and martians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogon_filtering & http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martian_packet) and why don't they use RPF (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_path_forwarding). theymos should probably also ask ddos-guard.net what is going on. I have no way of testing that because all the ISPs I have access to properly filter martians and my access to the internal ISP traffic engineering tools is very limited. Shorena is telling that he and redsn0w is getting non-routable IPs like me. I will look the wiki articles you gave. Thank you! Can you post your traceroute? That will be helpful. Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: shorena on April 13, 2015, 07:26:44 AM -snip- Can I ask you what is your internet speed? If you want also post a speedtest (using speedtest.net) thanks. Advertised as 32/2 IIRC, speedtest results in 31.79/1.99/11ms -snip- Post your trace will you? Mine shows two class A IPs as well, just before "reaching" the DDoS protection, my ping times are significantly better though. See redsn0ws post above, they also have similar IPs 10.10.48.5 and 10.10.68.11 What is the point? I don't have routing problems. I always have at least 2 ISP available when at home, and all of them properly filter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martian_packet . Is "Superkabel" a reseller of "Kabel-Deutschland"?Code: traceroute to bitcointalk.org (186.2.165.183), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets Just for comparisson I have no problems to reach the board either. My network breaks down completely sometimes though. Kabel Deutschland writes the bills, but I would not be surprised if the regional network is handled by a subcontractor. Its essentially the worst ISP germany has to offer, well besides our last one "Hansenet" which was bought and sold by more companies that I care to remember each creating more problems. That setup looks like a typical reseller agreement where the reseller has no technical knowledge to maintain their network, only to do the billing. Perhaps you should ask you ISP why they don't filter martians? Your uni seems to have competent network engineers. I am not surprised by that assesment, but Im afraid I dont have the two days it would take to get someone that even understands the questions (including those from your Edit2) on the line. We have plans to switch to a different ISP, but that will take time due to the contract. Edit: The only thing of that may be of interest is that from my Eastern European ISP I see a hop to the Western Europe via Code: bundle-ether9.ffttr4.FrankfurtAmMain.opentransit.net (193.251.255.201) Edit2: Since more people posted the traceroutes with 10/8 subnet, I think it may be worthwhile to ask their ISP if they distinguish between bogons and martians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogon_filtering & http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martian_packet) and why don't they use RPF (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_path_forwarding). theymos should probably also ask ddos-guard.net what is going on. I have no way of testing that because all the ISPs I have access to properly filter martians and my access to the internal ISP traffic engineering tools is very limited. -snip- Shorena is telling that he and redsn0w is getting non-routable IPs like me. I will look the wiki articles you gave. Thank you! Can you post your traceroute? That will be helpful. Apparently they checked their route and found nothing curious, besides a hop into western europe. I can do some routes via other ISPs over the next days and see if I find anything, but it probably boils down to: we have shitty ISPs. Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: Muhammed Zakir on April 13, 2015, 08:19:08 AM Can you post a traceroute when you are connected through VPN? I would like to see the difference between your first trace and the second. Thanks. Using VPN: Code: traceroute to bitcointalk.org (186.2.165.183) , 5 relative hops max, 52 byte packets Ping result when connected to VPN: Code: PING bitcointalk.org (186.2.165.183): 56 data bytes Edit: Made minor changes.. Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: shorena on April 14, 2015, 07:03:48 AM Vodafone does funny things as well:
Code: traceroute to bitcointalk.org (186.2.165.183), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets At work I get two hops before I get "host not reachable", its probably the proxy blocking unauthenticated connections. Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: thebitcoinquiz.com on April 14, 2015, 07:59:44 AM I am also an India and I also have exactly the same problem sometimes.
This problem arises with Airtel and Vodafone, but nothing ever goes wrong with MTNL network. I am always on 3G and I have a pretty decent connection. I cannot say why is this happening , but just wanted to report it and the issue corrects itself after 12-30hours and then reappears in a few days. Also I always browse the forum through mobile. Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: redsn0w on April 14, 2015, 08:32:08 AM Vodafone does funny things as well: Code: traceroute to bitcointalk.org (186.2.165.183), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets At work I get two hops before I get "host not reachable", its probably the proxy blocking unauthenticated connections. Yes it is the same thing for me, most probable an ISP 'error' but also a bitcointalk problem (but I'm not sure). Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: Muhammed Zakir on April 14, 2015, 09:25:26 AM I am also an India and I also have exactly the same problem sometimes. This problem arises with Airtel and Vodafone, but nothing ever goes wrong with MTNL network. I am always on 3G and I have a pretty decent connection. I cannot say why is this happening , but just wanted to report it and the issue corrects itself after 12-30hours and then reappears in a few days. Also I always browse the forum through mobile. It appears for me when using !DEA and MTS. It occurs more on mobile than on PC. Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: 2112 on April 14, 2015, 10:16:38 AM Vodafone does funny things as well: It is perfectly fine to use private/local IP addresses on the internal network of the ISP. So those hops 2-6 are perfectly fine as long as they don't leave the ISP's internal network. Funnies & shenanigans start when one sees the private packets routed (or apparently routed) over the public Internet. Try doing a reverse traceroute, meaning from other public address of another ISP to your IP address on Vodafone. If you then see those 6 hops over 10/8 subnet that would qualify as "funny".Code: traceroute to bitcointalk.org (186.2.165.183), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: shorena on April 14, 2015, 09:05:55 PM Vodafone does funny things as well: It is perfectly fine to use private/local IP addresses on the internal network of the ISP. So those hops 2-6 are perfectly fine as long as they don't leave the ISP's internal network. Funnies & shenanigans start when one sees the private packets routed (or apparently routed) over the public Internet. Try doing a reverse traceroute, meaning from other public address of another ISP to your IP address on Vodafone. If you then see those 6 hops over 10/8 subnet that would qualify as "funny".Code: traceroute to bitcointalk.org (186.2.165.183), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets Hmm, makes sense I guess. I will need to wait at least two days till have access to that connection though. Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: Prelude on April 15, 2015, 01:44:56 AM I've been having the same issue for the past 6 hours or so. Can't load bitcointalk without my VPN being enabled.
Title: Re: An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me? Post by: thebitcoinquiz.com on April 15, 2015, 06:58:21 PM I've been having the same issue for the past 6 hours or so. Can't load bitcointalk without my VPN being enabled. Where do you live? And who is your ISP?Just want to know if this issue is country/provider specific. |
