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Title: HardWallet series, hardware based wallets for multiple cryptocurrencies
Post by: kamronk on April 17, 2015, 06:04:12 PM
https://i.imgur.com/15WBU7H.png

Hello :)

A team and I have been working on a project we've been referring to as The Staker simply because of how nice it is for POS coins.

A full fledged ubuntu computer with 1.5Ghz and 1GB RAM, with a web interface built for you to work with the staker you have on your home network. A private crypto website only available from the security of your home or trusted network.

There's a number of solutions for bitcoin, but the important thing here is it's a hardware based solution for multiple cryptocurrencies that have kept the standard json-rpc interface of the bitcoin daemon.

We've built/tested our beta devices, our beta production processes, and our prototype payment portal for the array of options possible with machines such as these, and we are ready to begin selling our first few versions. Our portal will continuously be updated with new coins as they become "available". "Available" meaning that I have built the coin from source, and successfully downloaded the blockchain. Bitcoin itself is coming soon because I'm having to rebuild out a specific interface for it using bitcoinj specifically. You can order a bitcoin version now, but the lead time will be longer than that of other coins which is currently up to 10 business days.

I'm Kamron and I'm the developer of the device's web UI and the tech who will be building these devices as they're ordered. I'm also the one who will be answering most of the technical questions/concerns that come of this ann. I come as one single person of a team from a company called Blockchain Technologies Inc out of Ontario in Canada.

We are actively working with dev teams of cryptos in this space, and are trying to reach out to more as we go along to try and account for specific features in the various cryptocurrencies we have here, and will have in coming time.

You can purchase stakers here for as little as $60 in bitcoin:
http://shop.blockchaintechs.com/

We have a brief video prepared here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXsffNO-YW4

You can find more information on the device and it's specific features in the google doc I've prepared:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bNe-llsXuOuVPj891hYJAkz4xpWbMM12OOdX48shN_8/edit?usp=sharing

https://i.imgur.com/S4DsEBD.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/xIt1i62.png

You can find more images of the device itself here:
http://imgur.com/o0tfEj4,SCy4h4g,2OhN7Go,xIt1i62,A1flhiv,LjrSAL7,S4DsEBD#6

https://i.imgur.com/8xoMzOL.png

https://i.imgur.com/DTxqsA4.png

Here are some more images of the standard UI for various coins (mazacoin is the example here)
http://imgur.com/a/T1KFo#0

We will be customizing the color schemes of the UI for various coins.

We're not only announcing this, but are opening ourselves up to any and all criticism from the community here. Your comments and opinions will help drive the development of this device. We have a vision that reaches as far as mesh networked battery powered devices with solar chargers for the less developed parts of the world, where bitcoin and crypto currency could really make an impact considering it's current reach into societies of developed nations. So we need any and all comments we can get from the intelligent minds that do frequent these forums.

Hoping for a good response on this, and do let me know if there is any more information I should include here in the OP.

Web UI Source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1028126.msg11144218#msg11144218


Title: Re: HardWallet series, hardware based wallets for multiple cryptocurrencies
Post by: AllCryptoAllDay on April 17, 2015, 06:30:31 PM
You can purchase stakers here for as little as $60 in bitcoin:
http://shop.blockchaintechs.com/


Thought this needs to be more noticeable so people know where to buy!!!


Title: Re: HardWallet series, hardware based wallets for multiple cryptocurrencies
Post by: ftoole on April 17, 2015, 06:48:23 PM
What about having the ability for external HDD to have more than 4 coin on one device?
If i have multiple coins is their a dashboard to see the balances for each coin?
Is their a way to see the current value of the coins in BTC and/or Fiat?
Also If i have multiple of these is their away to view the balances of each and the status of each coin with out connecting into each one?


Title: Re: HardWallet series, hardware based wallets for multiple cryptocurrencies
Post by: unamis76 on April 17, 2015, 06:55:05 PM
This seems like a pretty useful device. More things like these are needed. Custom hardware wallets and custom cold storage solutions offer much better flexibility than the ones existing on the market, being sold in huge quantities :)

I wish you luck! I've had some ideas for things like these... But I lack the funds to actually make them real. I also lack coding skills, so no pretty web ui's like yours :)


Title: Re: HardWallet series, hardware based wallets for multiple cryptocurrencies
Post by: defaced on April 17, 2015, 06:57:58 PM
looks pretty cool!


Title: Re: HardWallet series, hardware based wallets for multiple cryptocurrencies
Post by: kamronk on April 17, 2015, 07:00:06 PM
What about having the ability for external HDD to have more than 4 coin on one device?\

That is not a bad idea at all, but we would have to account for it in the purchasing portal. I would prefer to test how it would best be implemented into the UI and daemon in case it is removed after powering on the device, but I feel this may be a good approach to the pain point of a limited number of coins.

If i have multiple coins is their a dashboard to see the balances for each coin?

Yes, it will come with a home page showing which coins are built on the device, with links to each coins dedicated page, and then you can navigate from there with the standard UI of each coin. As of this point, the home page does not offer the info you're looking for, but improvements are being made daily.

Is their a way to see the current value of the coins in BTC and/or Fiat?

At this point, no.

Also If i have multiple of these is their away to view the balances of each and the status of each coin with out connecting into each one?

No. I think I answered this in the first question with the home page and navigation, but also on the topic of multiple devices, no we don't have any kind of dashboard to view all devices on your network. You could have multiple tabs open in your web browser though :) and then if you have any html experience, you could make your own html page with iframes pointing to the IP address of each device on your network.


Title: Re: HardWallet series, hardware based wallets for multiple cryptocurrencies
Post by: kamronk on April 17, 2015, 07:01:55 PM
This seems like a pretty useful device. More things like these are needed. Custom hardware wallets and custom cold storage solutions offer much better flexibility than the ones existing on the market, being sold in huge quantities :)

I wish you luck! I've had some ideas for things like these... But I lack the funds to actually make them real. I also lack coding skills, so no pretty web ui's like yours :)

Thanks! and agreed :)

Do share your ideas for anything you think we could do to improve these devices. Not promising immediate improvements but this thread will be reviewed frequently when looking at records of new ideas for improvements.


Title: Re: HardWallet series, hardware based wallets for multiple cryptocurrencies
Post by: AllCryptoAllDay on April 17, 2015, 08:19:35 PM
Been having a request or 3 for TRON wallet...

I think that should be implemented.


Title: Re: HardWallet series, hardware based wallets for multiple cryptocurrencies
Post by: ftoole on April 17, 2015, 08:47:01 PM
If a get the 64gb card and only put one coin on it at first will their be an easy way to add more coins?
Also is their a way just to buy a software license?


Title: Re: HardWallet series, hardware based wallets for multiple cryptocurrencies
Post by: AllCryptoAllDay on April 17, 2015, 08:56:37 PM
If a get the 64gb card and only put one coin on it at first will their be an easy way to add more coins?
Also is their a way just to buy a software license?

We are revising the ability on the shop page to just buy the coins and the sd card flashed with the coins. This is for people who already own a Pi or other micro pc device.

We will have in V2 the ability to add coins through the ui. So short answer yes it will work eventually.


Title: Re: HardWallet series, hardware based wallets for multiple cryptocurrencies
Post by: bobcaticus on April 17, 2015, 11:04:15 PM
With the recent trend of people getting their wallets hacked, there has never been a more perfect time for this stand-alone unit.

Great job!


Title: Re: HardWallet series, hardware based wallets for multiple cryptocurrencies
Post by: kamronk on April 18, 2015, 02:48:04 AM
If a get the 64gb card and only put one coin on it at first will their be an easy way to add more coins?
Also is their a way just to buy a software license?

Of course there is nothing stopping you from building the daemons, but yea there wouldn't be a web UI.

This is an ongoing discussion that really stems from the decision of whether or not to release our code open source. Really the only thing stopping people from cutting us out of the deal is our code, but at the same time there is coming to be an equal amount of headaches totaling up to the battle (if it were to ever come) of someone duplicating our work and/or just building their own.

There's a number of possibilities here, maybe people could provide a bit more insight/opinion here on this subject specifically?


Title: Re: HardWallet series, hardware based wallets for multiple cryptocurrencies
Post by: alloffmyhate on April 18, 2015, 08:36:17 AM
 ;D wow realy nice but, this now only for altcoin not bitcon ?


Title: Re: HardWallet series, hardware based wallets for multiple cryptocurrencies
Post by: kamronk on April 18, 2015, 02:39:24 PM
;D wow realy nice but, this now only for altcoin not bitcon ?

Correct


Title: Re: HardWallet series, hardware based wallets for multiple cryptocurrencies
Post by: AllCryptoAllDay on April 18, 2015, 04:48:28 PM
Very excited to have our staker on Coin Telegraph!!!

http://cointelegraph.com/news/113996/blockchain-technologies-inc-releases-staker-a-customizable-hardware-wallet?hootPostID=a593dc581aa1e8429ee420a7d88bf415 (http://cointelegraph.com/news/113996/blockchain-technologies-inc-releases-staker-a-customizable-hardware-wallet?hootPostID=a593dc581aa1e8429ee420a7d88bf415)


Title: Re: HardWallet series, hardware based wallets for multiple cryptocurrencies
Post by: AllCryptoAllDay on April 18, 2015, 04:49:06 PM
;D wow realy nice but, this now only for altcoin not bitcon ?

Correct

And for only POS coins, correct??

Any Altcoin can be added...

We are working on a full bitcoin wallet as well.


Title: Re: HardWallet series, hardware based wallets for multiple cryptocurrencies
Post by: ftoole on April 19, 2015, 12:14:33 AM
How hard will it be to dump the download block chain when every you get on one of them bad forks?
Also will you be able to run remote rpc commands against the daemon?
Can you import private keys or a wallet.dat from elsewere?


Title: Re: HardWallet series, hardware based wallets for multiple cryptocurrencies
Post by: kamronk on April 19, 2015, 04:03:32 PM
How hard will it be to dump the download block chain when every you get on one of them bad forks?

Well, at this stage you're right, if the device was on a bad blockchain (one that had forked from the network) then it would take a call to us to help you get it on the right track, or a call to one of your linux buddies to help you get into the device and delete the existing blockchain. Then resetting the device (unplug and plug back in) would initiate a new blockchain download. Again though, not an easy process for an end user by any means :/

Also will you be able to run remote rpc commands against the daemon?

Yes, if you were to log in to the device and plug in a keyboard. There is no part in the web UI to handle this though.


Can you import private keys or a wallet.dat from elsewere?

Manually by going into the device, yes, from the web UI, no. This again is not a bad idea though :) didn't think of this...


Title: Re: HardWallet series, hardware based wallets for multiple cryptocurrencies
Post by: ftoole on April 19, 2015, 05:06:13 PM
Is SSH enabled on these devices by default? I hate connecting keyboards and mouses to things. ;D


Title: Re: HardWallet series, hardware based wallets for multiple cryptocurrencies
Post by: fonzerrellie on April 19, 2015, 09:12:37 PM
so we wont be able to buy our own sd cards and add whatever wallets we like?

I was hope'n we would be able to add as many as the system can handle through formatting the SD card to the device then adding standard/windows wallet QT and the AppData/file so we wouldn't have to worry about waiting for blockchains to sync etc and wouldn't have to worry if a coins wallet would be compatible or not.


not sure I understand it all and the process yet, but you deff have me curious 


Title: Re: HardWallet series, hardware based wallets for multiple cryptocurrencies
Post by: kamronk on April 19, 2015, 11:00:03 PM
so we wont be able to buy our own sd cards and add whatever wallets we like?

I was hope'n we would be able to add as many as the system can handle through formatting the SD card to the device then adding standard/windows wallet QT and the AppData/file so we wouldn't have to worry about waiting for blockchains to sync etc and wouldn't have to worry if a coins wallet would be compatible or not.


not sure I understand it all and the process yet, but you deff have me curious 

You definitely could get your own sd cards and install whatever wallets/daemons you liked, but this is a headless ubuntu micro computer. As well as with that being said, there's a prepared web accessible UI for you to work with the installed coin daemon.

So, yes you could add whatever it is you like, but it's not windows, and it would be missing some things...




Title: Re: HardWallet series, hardware based wallets for multiple cryptocurrencies
Post by: kamronk on April 19, 2015, 11:01:54 PM
Is SSH enabled on these devices by default? I hate connecting keyboards and mouses to things. ;D

Nope :/ You can enable it once you get the device, but you would have to hook up the keyboard to atleast get into the shell and enable it that first time.

We decided for safety it'd be best to just disable it all together (technically we remove it) before sending to the end user.


Title: Re: HardWallet series, hardware based wallets for multiple cryptocurrencies
Post by: fonzerrellie on April 20, 2015, 12:19:01 AM
so we wont be able to buy our own sd cards and add whatever wallets we like?

I was hope'n we would be able to add as many as the system can handle through formatting the SD card to the device then adding standard/windows wallet QT and the AppData/file so we wouldn't have to worry about waiting for blockchains to sync etc and wouldn't have to worry if a coins wallet would be compatible or not.


not sure I understand it all and the process yet, but you deff have me curious 

You definitely could get your own sd cards and install whatever wallets/daemons you liked, but this is a headless ubuntu micro computer. As well as with that being said, there's a prepared web accessible UI for you to work with the installed coin daemon.

So, yes you could add whatever it is you like, but it's not windows, and it would be missing some things...




K I think I get what your saying, lol I hope you make a simple walk through video to show newbs step by step how to work it and add their new favorite coins.

I'm obviously a newb when it comes to tech.. is ubuntu linix or something? so we wouldn't use pre compiled QT, but would use the github to compile it?


Title: Re: HardWallet series, hardware based wallets for multiple cryptocurrencies
Post by: kamronk on April 20, 2015, 01:10:18 AM
so we wont be able to buy our own sd cards and add whatever wallets we like?

I was hope'n we would be able to add as many as the system can handle through formatting the SD card to the device then adding standard/windows wallet QT and the AppData/file so we wouldn't have to worry about waiting for blockchains to sync etc and wouldn't have to worry if a coins wallet would be compatible or not.


not sure I understand it all and the process yet, but you deff have me curious 

You definitely could get your own sd cards and install whatever wallets/daemons you liked, but this is a headless ubuntu micro computer. As well as with that being said, there's a prepared web accessible UI for you to work with the installed coin daemon.

So, yes you could add whatever it is you like, but it's not windows, and it would be missing some things...




K I think I get what your saying, lol I hope you make a simple walk through video to show newbs step by step how to work it and add their new favorite coins.

I'm obviously a newb when it comes to tech.. is ubuntu linix or something? so we wouldn't use pre compiled QT, but would use the github to compile it?

Yes, that's the process I'm shooting for to try and automate adding additional coins atleast. Right now the coins just come as selected in the purchasing portal.

Yes ubuntu is linux :) and I couldn't agree more about videos, they will be coming soon


Title: Re: HardWallet series, hardware based wallets for multiple cryptocurrencies
Post by: notahardwarewallet on April 20, 2015, 02:02:38 AM
This is not a "hardware wallet".

  • Anybody on your local network can just sniff passwords and replace packets, so provides no protection against malware.
  • It's arguably not a hardware wallet. It's a $35 ODroid C1.
  • The software is not open source so who knows how insecure it is.

There is no value to anybody buying this, and every probability using one will lead to the loss of your money.


Title: Re: HardWallet series, hardware based wallets for multiple cryptocurrencies
Post by: kamronk on April 20, 2015, 02:31:50 AM
This is not a "hardware wallet".

  • Anybody on your local network can just sniff passwords and replace packets, so provides no protection against malware.
  • It's arguably not a hardware wallet. It's a $35 ODroid C1.
  • The software is not open source so who knows how insecure it is.

There is no value to anybody buying this, and every probability using one will lead to the loss of your money.

Well it's no trezor, nor a ledger wallet obviously. Might be better described as a dedicated micro-computer with a prepared interface for less technical users.

It's arguably not a hardware wallet. It's a $35 ODroid C1.

That's the base board for this device, yes.

The software is not open source so who knows how insecure it is.

It's the most recent GH source of any coin out there, and it's sounding like it's time to just go ahead and release the source of the java web UI. The web UI is the only piece of this device that is not open source (edit: it is now open source).

There is no value to anybody buying this, and every probability using one will lead to the loss of your money.

A dedicated device for POS coins has always been in demand, people have even begun to trust cloud POS wallets (like that's a safer option).

Don't make this more complicated than it needs to be. Open source hardware has come far enough to start running substantial applications. Next step in dev boards will be 64 bit processors, which will open up many more doors.

If this is who I'm guessing it is, you're choosing to hate on our project because you were and are, too lazy to do it yourself. Feel free to keep trying to poke holes though, I'll be at the ready to answer every single attempt.


Title: Re: HardWallet series, hardware based wallets for multiple cryptocurrencies
Post by: kamronk on April 20, 2015, 02:27:21 PM
Would there be any way to turn one of these (https://bitseed.org/product/blockchain-node-developer-version/)   into one of the (BTI) wallets??

Is it more the SDcard software or more the hardware that makes this a specialized product??

Just wondering?  ????

Thanks!!

Yes, but the interface you would use to interact with the bitcoin node would be where my knowledge ends. I haven't used a bitseed before, so I don't know how you interact with the bitcoin daemon.

With our device, the user has a web UI that is functional on any device that has a web browser and is connected to the same LAN, as well as our device is built with a modular approach to use with any coin that has a JSON-RPC API interface. These two facts I feel designate us from the bitseed. As well as how much we are engaging the communities in the bitcoin space, I haven't seen the engineers from the bitseed device anywhere.


Title: Re: HardWallet series, hardware based wallets for multiple cryptocurrencies
Post by: kamronk on April 20, 2015, 02:55:11 PM
Would there be any way to turn one of these (https://bitseed.org/product/blockchain-node-developer-version/)   into one of the (BTI) wallets??

Is it more the SDcard software or more the hardware that makes this a specialized product??

Just wondering?  ????

Thanks!!

Yes, but the interface you would use to interact with the bitcoin node would be where my knowledge ends. I haven't used a bitseed before, so I don't know how you interact with the bitcoin daemon.

With our device, the user has a web UI that is functional on any device that has a web browser and is connected to the same LAN, as well as our device is built with a modular approach to use with any coin that has a JSON-RPC API interface. These two facts I feel designate us from the bitseed. As well as how much we are engaging the communities in the bitcoin space, I haven't seen the engineers from the bitseed device anywhere.

Thank you for the information. :)

The bitseed runs in a similar fashion, using a web browser UI and LAN connected. (and SDcard)
They gave the option to remove their daemon and you can replace with a wallet-qt to run as your node.

Can an SDcard be "partitioned" to run more than one program?? Is this even a thing??
Or would it be more a hardware issue, where you would maybe need 2 SDcard slots??
(AND why don't  all of these micro-PCs use micro-SD.... seems that you would save some circuit board space.

In the staking process, does the BTI act as a node as well??

I get the ideas, but am lost on some of the technical details. :D

Thanks :)

No problem at all :) I'm happy to answer questions!

Gotcha, good to know about the bitseed UI. An sd card can be partitioned, but it's not a necessary thing to do in order to just install another program. You could still use the same sd card with multiple partitions, as well as you could even created a bootable USB drive and boot the microcomptuer from it. Yes, we are using micro-sd cards :)

No the Staker will not act as a full node. It will be kind of a node as far as it's P2P communication, but there is no standard port forwarding involved in the set up of this device.

Hope that helps! If not, keep the questions coming :)


Title: Re: HardWallet series, hardware based wallets for multiple cryptocurrencies
Post by: kamronk on April 20, 2015, 02:55:49 PM
Staker Web UI Source code

https://github.com/Blockchaintechs/StakerUI


Title: Re: HardWallet series, hardware based wallets for multiple cryptocurrencies
Post by: presstab on April 22, 2015, 09:22:33 PM
Coooool hardware 8) I have been staking on an Odroid C1 for a few months now and it works great. I do plan to upgrade the SD to eMMc eventually though.

(coffee mug to show size)
https://i.imgur.com/qI3X5vq.jpg?2

Anyone looking to put HyperStake on their Odroid can see my post here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=678849.msg10556142#msg10556142


Title: Re: HardWallet series, hardware based wallets for multiple cryptocurrencies
Post by: kamronk on April 22, 2015, 09:44:38 PM
Coooool hardware 8) I have been staking on an Odroid C1 for a few months now and it works great. I do plan to upgrade the SD to eMMc eventually though.

(coffee mug to show size)
https://i.imgur.com/qI3X5vq.jpg?2

Anyone looking to put HyperStake on their Odroid can see my post here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=678849.msg10556142#msg10556142

Nice!! :D

How do you interact with the daemon? By chance could our web UI be of help to you? I can personally help you install :)


Title: Re: HardWallet series, hardware based wallets for multiple cryptocurrencies
Post by: presstab on April 22, 2015, 11:47:40 PM
I just use rpc commands via terminal. If I need GUI I will just use QT wallet with the same privkeys from my desktop. Honestly I don't need to do much with the daemon, it will run for weeks at a time with no problems or maintenance needed and it stakes like a champion. 2-4 stakes an hour usually :)


Title: Re: HardWallet series, hardware based wallets for multiple cryptocurrencies
Post by: kamronk on April 23, 2015, 01:48:42 AM
I just use rpc commands via terminal. If I need GUI I will just use QT wallet with the same privkeys from my desktop. Honestly I don't need to do much with the daemon, it will run for weeks at a time with no problems or maintenance needed and it stakes like a champion. 2-4 stakes an hour usually :)

Nice, that honestly sounds as simple as can be :D

From this perspective buying from us is someone buying the device, and paying us to pre-install all the necessary software/dependencies/builds. We also throw in a web based UI for the end user to do things like get the priv keys to bring into their native QT.

If you ever need a new board, we do accept bitcoin! ;)


Title: Re: HardWallet series, hardware based wallets for multiple cryptocurrencies
Post by: presstab on April 23, 2015, 02:53:20 PM
I just use rpc commands via terminal. If I need GUI I will just use QT wallet with the same privkeys from my desktop. Honestly I don't need to do much with the daemon, it will run for weeks at a time with no problems or maintenance needed and it stakes like a champion. 2-4 stakes an hour usually :)

Nice, that honestly sounds as simple as can be :D

From this perspective buying from us is someone buying the device, and paying us to pre-install all the necessary software/dependencies/builds. We also throw in a web based UI for the end user to do things like get the priv keys to bring into their native QT.

If you ever need a new board, we do accept bitcoin! ;)

I can definitely see the use in having a user friendly pre-setup and ready to go odroid shipped to your door. Just wanted to stop by this thread and give an A+++++ to Odroid hardware.


Title: Re: HardWallet series, hardware based wallets for multiple cryptocurrencies
Post by: kamronk on April 23, 2015, 03:34:50 PM
I just use rpc commands via terminal. If I need GUI I will just use QT wallet with the same privkeys from my desktop. Honestly I don't need to do much with the daemon, it will run for weeks at a time with no problems or maintenance needed and it stakes like a champion. 2-4 stakes an hour usually :)

Nice, that honestly sounds as simple as can be :D

From this perspective buying from us is someone buying the device, and paying us to pre-install all the necessary software/dependencies/builds. We also throw in a web based UI for the end user to do things like get the priv keys to bring into their native QT.

If you ever need a new board, we do accept bitcoin! ;)

I can definitely see the use in having a user friendly pre-setup and ready to go odroid shipped to your door. Just wanted to stop by this thread and give an A+++++ to Odroid hardware.

It's appreciated man :) They are less popular but they really are impressive and easy to work with. The odroid is of course the base board here, but also is the micro computer used in my other project Klubcams, there it's used as a dedicated feeder for a businesses live stream of images. Helps get rid of the need for an on-site computer. I'm bringing them to a Google IO conference next month too where myself and other developers will be talking/teaching about developing devices and wearables.

TL;DR - I'm an odroid fan as well haha :) thanks for stopping by for sure