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Title: Newbie PM warning Post by: theymos on May 01, 2015, 01:03:51 AM PMs from newbies now have a warning added to the beginning of the PM. The warning is actually added to the PM's text, so it won't be added to old PMs or removed when the sender leaves newbie status.
The warning is: !!! WARNING: This user is a newbie. If you are expecting a message from a more veteran member, then this is an imposter !!! Title: Re: Newbie PM warning Post by: alani123 on May 01, 2015, 01:06:37 AM Thanks for this update. Automation is going to be helpful when it comes to fighting impostors.
Title: Re: Newbie PM warning Post by: Vod on May 01, 2015, 01:08:49 AM We know people have fallen for newbie scams before (like account names with ' after them)
This is a good improvement. :) Title: Re: Newbie PM warning Post by: EFS on May 01, 2015, 01:47:16 AM I found hard to believe old users fall for newbies scam attempts easily. Hope this helps. Good addition theymos.
Title: Re: Newbie PM warning Post by: TheButterZone on May 01, 2015, 01:54:03 AM How difficult would it be to add a PM warning for accounts that have changed passwords recently (or ever)?
Title: Re: Newbie PM warning Post by: koshgel on May 01, 2015, 01:59:28 AM This is an awesome idea. Will hopefully prevent the situations where scammers imitate the names of reputable members.
Title: Re: Newbie PM warning Post by: jacktheking on May 01, 2015, 02:01:58 AM Hmm.. Good idea. If you could, why not have it on old message too? Just check if the message at the time of sending is Newbie or not. After that, we could have a personal setting that let us set a minimum rank to show warning for message.
Title: Re: Newbie PM warning Post by: Josef27 on May 01, 2015, 02:48:07 AM Good Idea, but are peoples really fall into their traps? The rank display already look obvious for me and could be avoided easily :-\
Title: Re: Newbie PM warning Post by: xetsr on May 01, 2015, 02:51:37 AM Good Idea, but are peoples really fall into their traps? The rank display already look obvious for me and could be avoided easily :-\ Look around. It happens all the time.. Scammers are gonna be pissed off about this one. Nice job :) Would be nice to see something about password changes like TheButterZone suggested. Can usually be found on the trust page but would be so much easier if the warning was made clear on the private message. People around here seem to be lazy sometimes or just don't make it to the trust page before completing a deal :\ Title: Re: Newbie PM warning Post by: TenderLoins on May 01, 2015, 02:52:30 AM Im a newbie at the moment but I agree, this is a great implementation for security.
Title: Re: Newbie PM warning Post by: dogie on May 01, 2015, 03:08:18 AM I found hard to believe old users fall for newbies scam attempts easily. Hope this helps. Good addition theymos. Its not that farfetched when you're expecting a PM from someone without an Avatar. Traders of advertisers especially get a lot of PMs and so might just skim for the content of a PM they were expecting. Title: Re: Newbie PM warning Post by: Neotox on May 01, 2015, 04:24:21 AM Its a good security update and I think all new users will accept this expect those who are here to scam other.Legit users won't have any problem with this.I just got a PM from newbie and it was showing warning there.
Title: Re: Newbie PM warning Post by: Quickseller on May 01, 2015, 05:04:18 AM I like this idea, although I do see one flaw that may actually make it more difficult to find/out scammers (that I sent a PM amount).
I have gotten a pretty good number of these newbie imposter scammers, and they have pretty much all been blatantly obvious, at least to me. Title: Re: Newbie PM warning Post by: hilariousandco on May 01, 2015, 05:51:46 AM Can we get an air raid siren noise that blasts out as soon as you open a pm from a newbie as well? Like this http://youtu.be/HHLERpO4HuI ;D
Good Idea, but are peoples really fall into their traps? The rank display already look obvious for me and could be avoided easily :-\ Well you would think not but it's not that uncommon. One was successful recently on the forum ad slot auction and I've seen it happen a handful of times there before https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1029623.msg11217900#msg11217900 I'm sure it's tried by someone weekly and a lot of users might not even report when they've been scammed out of embarrassment. Title: Re: Newbie PM warning Post by: jacktheking on May 01, 2015, 06:26:34 AM Can we get an air raid siren noise that blasts out as soon as you open a pm from a newbie as well? Like this http://youtu.be/HHLERpO4HuI ;D Good Idea, but are peoples really fall into their traps? The rank display already look obvious for me and could be avoided easily :-\ Well you would think not but it's not that uncommon. One was successful recently on the forum ad slot auction and I've seen it happen a handful of times there before https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1029623.msg11217900#msg11217900 I'm sure it's tried by someone weekly and a lot of users might not even report when they've been scammed out of embarrassment. Was looking at the linked post. Trying to find fake acount. Read the whole post and only to find out I did not see that the quoted post was a fake post.. Title: Re: Newbie PM warning Post by: redsn0w on May 01, 2015, 07:49:08 AM Thanks for this improvement, theymos! Now I think there will not be scam made by imposter anymore (like in the auction thread for the ad slot, etcetera).
Title: Re: Newbie PM warning Post by: Muhammed Zakir on May 01, 2015, 08:30:09 AM Thank you, theymos. Good addition. Hopefully, imposters times are over.
Title: Re: Newbie PM warning Post by: dserrano5 on May 01, 2015, 08:49:00 AM How difficult would it be to add a PM warning for accounts that have changed passwords recently (or ever)? Changing passwords is a good security measure. I don't think punishing that with a measure like this is a good idea. At most something saying "This user has recently change their password" but without red alerts or sirens. (edit: typo, grammar) Title: Re: Newbie PM warning Post by: koelen3 on May 01, 2015, 10:24:03 AM Wow! i saw a similar Message today and was thinking that the guy must have typed it for some sarcastic reason .
It is a good measure as it will stop Imposters from cheating people. Thank you Theymos. Title: Re: Newbie PM warning Post by: redsn0w on May 01, 2015, 10:31:34 AM How difficult would it be to add a PM warning for accounts that have changed passwords recently (or ever)? Changing passwords is a good security measure. I don't thing punishing that with a measure like this is a good idea. At most a something saying "This user has recently change their password" but without red alerts or sirens. I have asked this improvement to theymos in that thread, but he never changed the color of the 'write' (or also the size). Wow! i saw a similar Message today and was thinking that the guy must have typed it for some sarcastic reason . It is a good measure as it will stop Imposters from cheating people. Thank you Theymos. Now I really want to bet , do you think that some newbie imposter will be able to scam another user? I think that there will be someone who will be scammed (and I am not kidding). Title: Re: Newbie PM warning Post by: koelen3 on May 01, 2015, 10:39:14 AM Wow! i saw a similar Message today and was thinking that the guy must have typed it for some sarcastic reason . It is a good measure as it will stop Imposters from cheating people. Thank you Theymos. Now I really want to bet , do you think that some newbie imposter will be able to scam another user? I think that there will be someone who will be scammed (and I am not kidding). I remember seeing many people mostly newbies saying that they sent money to Escrow and it turned out the Escrow was just a imposter and had a slight difference in the username . I also remember seeing someone sent BTC to wrong person(imposter) for the Advertising auction of forum by Theymos. So as i think , it'll avoid newbie members to be scammed by imposters and scammers . Title: Re: Newbie PM warning Post by: erikalui on May 03, 2015, 09:35:12 AM There is an issue with this warning as it gets quoted in the message text. Two newbies sent me PMs and by mistake I quoted the complete message and they also got to see the warning "!!! WARNING: This user is a newbie. If you are expecting a message from a more veteran member, then this is an imposter !!!" I am now editing the quotes in the message text but it's quite time consuming to do it all the time.
Can't this be rectified? Title: Re: Newbie PM warning Post by: koelen3 on May 03, 2015, 01:17:49 PM There is an issue with this warning as it gets quoted in the message text. Two newbies sent me PMs and by mistake I quoted the complete message and they also got to see the warning "!!! WARNING: This user is a newbie. If you are expecting a message from a more veteran member, then this is an imposter !!!" I am now editing the quotes in the message text but it's quite time consuming to do it all the time. Can't this be rectified? Yes , am facing the same problem . I replied them without removing Quote and they were asking me , why is it for . Now i have to remove it before replying if i quote the message , it would be helpful to make it automatically cropped from the Reply. Title: Re: Newbie PM warning Post by: Superhitech on May 03, 2015, 04:03:19 PM Great! This is a nice feature!
One suggestion, I think the text should be in the center, it would look better. Also, the text, if possible, should be removed when the member gets out of the newbie status. Title: Re: Newbie PM warning Post by: hedgy73 on May 03, 2015, 04:31:03 PM I love this new feature hopefully it'll help stop people being scammed and put off scammers from trying.
Title: Re: Newbie PM warning Post by: Welsh on May 03, 2015, 04:50:26 PM Although I understand why it was added, I never understood how some people could be so unaware of the username when talking to another user. At ths rate in few years time we'll have to spoon feed people.
Title: Re: Newbie PM warning Post by: ShakyhandsBTCer on May 03, 2015, 09:50:23 PM This is a really good security implementation. Reminded me of DannyHamilton's post:
There are scammers that will create a userID that looks VERY similar to a trusted bitcointalk user (or that will purchase an old account that already has some trust feedback). They will then contact you pretending to be the trusted user. Make sure that you are talking to the person you think you are. Here are some examples of such scammers. If you click on the userID you can see that they are not me and that they have negative feedback: DanmyHamilton (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=408080) dannyham¡lton (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=436343) DannyHarnilton (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=393425) DannyHamliton (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=349238) DannyHamiltonn (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=117186) DannyHamillton (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=73015) DannyHamlton (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=382157) DannyHamiltton (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=382161) DannyHamiliton (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=375159) DannyHamiliton (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=375159) Danny Hamillton (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=361696) Most of the best escrow providers in this forum have provided their public PGP key and will sign communications if you ask them to. It would be a good idea to have the public keys of all the escrow providers that you might consider using in the future and learn how to verify a PGP signature. Title: Re: Newbie PM warning Post by: hedgy73 on May 03, 2015, 11:11:53 PM This is a really good security implementation. Reminded me of DannyHamilton's post: There are scammers that will create a userID that looks VERY similar to a trusted bitcointalk user (or that will purchase an old account that already has some trust feedback). They will then contact you pretending to be the trusted user. Make sure that you are talking to the person you think you are. Here are some examples of such scammers. If you click on the userID you can see that they are not me and that they have negative feedback: DanmyHamilton (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=408080) dannyham¡lton (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=436343) DannyHarnilton (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=393425) DannyHamliton (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=349238) DannyHamiltonn (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=117186) DannyHamillton (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=73015) DannyHamlton (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=382157) DannyHamiltton (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=382161) DannyHamiliton (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=375159) DannyHamiliton (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=375159) Danny Hamillton (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=361696) Most of the best escrow providers in this forum have provided their public PGP key and will sign communications if you ask them to. It would be a good idea to have the public keys of all the escrow providers that you might consider using in the future and learn how to verify a PGP signature. Yes that's a prime example, fucking scamming shitbags creating new usernames like trusted originals. Title: Re: Newbie PM warning Post by: HostFat on May 04, 2015, 12:20:24 AM Thank you for this ;D
Title: Re: Newbie PM warning Post by: TookDk on May 04, 2015, 10:52:44 AM I think this is an excellent improvement. Thank you :)
I got a PM from a newbie the other day (without knowing about this improvement) I noticed the warning right away. For the record the PM from the newbie was legit, it is a user with a 1 year old account which is just not very active, I have done a number of trades with this person. Nevertheless the warning made me check an extra time that in fact it was the right person I communicated with. Title: Re: Newbie PM warning Post by: squall1066 on May 10, 2015, 06:19:03 PM This seems to be a good feature, just now i saw a PM i received and i was utterly Confused about why has that guy wrote those words to me and i PM'e him back , asking about it , on which he said he didn't do anything. Now i see it has been added as a new feature to the Forum. That is good but when i reply im back , it get's added to my message and i had to manually remove it ! Can something be done about that? I just got here from seeing this message, It somewhat startled me, But I nearly responded with it, It could put new users in turmoil seeing this from a hero+ member. Title: Re: Newbie PM warning Post by: TookDk on May 14, 2015, 06:22:36 PM Here is very good example on how effective the new Newbee PM warning is:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=813238.msg11376693#msg11376693 Before, potentially buyers would get the exact same type of message by PM. But that do not work now, instead they have to launch their phishing attempts in the thread, where many users monitor the activity and can react fast to prevent the scam. Title: Re: Newbie PM warning Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on May 15, 2015, 02:50:22 PM Fair play to theymos for taking steps to stop people getting scammed by newbie accounts.
People shouldn't really shouldn't be getting scammed in that way though. No offence intended to anybody but it's a bit dumb to get caught out that way. Take care people but use your brains. Title: Re: Newbie PM warning Post by: regexlove on July 23, 2015, 12:32:34 AM cant you just put this message for imposter/similar names instead of all "newbies" ??? ::)
i feel my name is unique. (this was unexpected degradation, i would have chosen another communication channel...) thanks Title: Re: Newbie PM warning Post by: --Encrypted-- on July 23, 2015, 12:44:20 AM cant you just put this message for imposter/similar names instead of all "newbies" ??? ::) i feel my name is unique. (this was unexpected degradation, i would have chosen another communication channel...) thanks that will require Theymos and/or Badbear or whoever to manually keep track of EVERY new users that have a similar name with some other user. that's too much trouble for Title: Re: Newbie PM warning Post by: Somekindabitcoin on July 23, 2015, 08:19:27 PM This is a great update, but can we disable this? I'm really aware of any imposter, because I check the account twice when I do any type of a deal here. It's really annoying to see this message 5 times in a group conversation in PMs...
Title: Re: Newbie PM warning Post by: redsn0w on July 23, 2015, 08:23:26 PM This is a great update, but can we disable this? I'm really aware of any imposter, because I check the account twice when I do any type of a deal here. It's really annoying to see this message 5 times in a group conversation in PMs... I think it is better to be 'annoyed' by those warnings, than be scammed by an impostor ... or am I wrong? Title: Re: Newbie PM warning Post by: Somekindabitcoin on July 23, 2015, 08:26:10 PM This is a great update, but can we disable this? I'm really aware of any imposter, because I check the account twice when I do any type of a deal here. It's really annoying to see this message 5 times in a group conversation in PMs... I think it is better to be 'annoyed' by those warnings, than be scammed by an impostor ... or am I wrong? You are wrong, at least in my case.. Like I said I double check the account before any trade is made, same as the address and the signed message I get, it's kinda annoying for me, but yeah, I can live with it :) Title: Re: Newbie PM warning Post by: nydiacaskey01 on July 23, 2015, 08:42:48 PM This is a great update, but can we disable this? I'm really aware of any imposter, because I check the account twice when I do any type of a deal here. It's really annoying to see this message 5 times in a group conversation in PMs... I think it is better to be 'annoyed' by those warnings, than be scammed by an impostor ... or am I wrong? You are wrong, at least in my case.. Like I said I double check the account before any trade is made, same as the address and the signed message I get, it's kinda annoying for me, but yeah, I can live with it :) so you rather get scammed by an impostor than being annoyed by some trivial things? or did you misread redsn0w's question? Title: Re: Newbie PM warning Post by: Somekindabitcoin on July 23, 2015, 08:45:31 PM This is a great update, but can we disable this? I'm really aware of any imposter, because I check the account twice when I do any type of a deal here. It's really annoying to see this message 5 times in a group conversation in PMs... I think it is better to be 'annoyed' by those warnings, than be scammed by an impostor ... or am I wrong? You are wrong, at least in my case.. Like I said I double check the account before any trade is made, same as the address and the signed message I get, it's kinda annoying for me, but yeah, I can live with it :) so you rather get scammed by an impostor than being annoyed by some trivial things? or did you misread redsn0w's question? OMG You are more annoying than the message, please read my post again. I double check every account, address and signed message I get, so I can't be scammed when doing a trade! Title: Re: Newbie PM warning Post by: nydiacaskey01 on July 23, 2015, 08:53:39 PM This is a great update, but can we disable this? I'm really aware of any imposter, because I check the account twice when I do any type of a deal here. It's really annoying to see this message 5 times in a group conversation in PMs... I think it is better to be 'annoyed' by those warnings, than be scammed by an impostor ... or am I wrong? You are wrong, at least in my case.. Like I said I double check the account before any trade is made, same as the address and the signed message I get, it's kinda annoying for me, but yeah, I can live with it :) so you rather get scammed by an impostor than being annoyed by some trivial things? or did you misread redsn0w's question? OMG You are more annoying than the message, please read my post again. I double check every account, address and signed message I get, so I can't be scammed when doing a trade! I read your post. but it doesn't exactly answer the post you're answering to. ::) Title: Re: Newbie PM warning Post by: Somekindabitcoin on July 23, 2015, 09:12:41 PM This is a great update, but can we disable this? I'm really aware of any imposter, because I check the account twice when I do any type of a deal here. It's really annoying to see this message 5 times in a group conversation in PMs... I think it is better to be 'annoyed' by those warnings, than be scammed by an impostor ... or am I wrong? You are wrong, at least in my case.. Like I said I double check the account before any trade is made, same as the address and the signed message I get, it's kinda annoying for me, but yeah, I can live with it :) so you rather get scammed by an impostor than being annoyed by some trivial things? or did you misread redsn0w's question? OMG You are more annoying than the message, please read my post again. I double check every account, address and signed message I get, so I can't be scammed when doing a trade! I read your post. but it doesn't exactly answer the post you're answering to. ::) I know, but it's hard to answer this question.. annoyed by the warning or be scammed by an impostor? Like I said, I can't be scammed if the account + private key isn't hacked, I always ask for a signed message.. and warning is really annoying, so I can't aster this question without lying, but if I must to answer it, I would that it's better to get annoyed by those warnings.. :) Title: Re: Newbie PM warning Post by: --Encrypted-- on July 23, 2015, 09:18:47 PM personally I don't mind the warnings but if some people don't like it then I think it'll be far easier for all sides if there's an option for it, like how we can disable signature. of course it should be enabled by default.
Title: Re: Newbie PM warning Post by: hedgy73 on July 23, 2015, 09:33:07 PM I'd rather have it than not and thinks its a good addition to the forum but I'm like Somekindabitcoin and always double check when trading to make sure the person is who they say they are. Any change to the forum to reduce possible scams is good in my book :).
Title: Re: Newbie PM warning Post by: regexlove on July 28, 2015, 02:28:34 AM cant you just put this message for imposter/similar names instead of all "newbies" ??? ::) i feel my name is unique. (this was unexpected degradation, i would have chosen another communication channel...) thanks that will require Theymos and/or Badbear or whoever to manually keep track of EVERY new users that have a similar name with some other user. that's too much trouble for Speaking of "newbie" i refer to design flawn in this particular status: I may have not been posting much, yet not new either. (Other status may be less flawned, yet crypto currencies live on egalitarian ideals) Feedback/trust is already implemented. Similarity in names(, if that's all,) can be done through string similarity algorithms (easy). Fraud prevention by message style similarity (short quotes) wont be too hard either. Labeling users by IP networks may already be in place too Title: Re: Newbie PM warning Post by: notlist3d on July 28, 2015, 05:45:11 AM cant you just put this message for imposter/similar names instead of all "newbies" ??? ::) i feel my name is unique. (this was unexpected degradation, i would have chosen another communication channel...) thanks that will require Theymos and/or Badbear or whoever to manually keep track of EVERY new users that have a similar name with some other user. that's too much trouble for Speaking of "newbie" i refer to design flawn in this particular status: I may have not been posting much, yet not new either. (Other status may be less flawned, yet crypto currencies live on egalitarian ideals) Feedback/trust is already implemented. Similarity in names(, if that's all,) can be done through "string similarity algorithms" (i'd be up to help). Fraud prevention by message style similarity (short quotes) wont be too hard either. Labeling users by IP networks may already be in place too On similar names I'm guessing you mean when someone tries to look like another user. The newbie warning helped stop scams, and people really do throw negative trust quick so they are not going to scam people. As far as IP admins check on it. We don't know all of what they do as it should be. If we had a list of how all they use it people could try to avoid all the way's they use it. Title: Re: Newbie PM warning Post by: hilariousetc on August 08, 2017, 07:22:59 PM It will be removed automatically as soon as you become a junior member.
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