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I have a 6/23 (first day) order for 4 Jalapenos, and I'm looking to see what I can get for them. I've already sold 1, and I am still entertaining offers for the remaining 3. I've since paid to upgrade the remaining 3 Jalapenos to a "Little Single", BFL's 30GH/s unit. BFL has confirmed with me that I keep my original order date, so they should ship at the same time. If you can entice it out of my hands, please feel free to gimme offers. ;) Deal includes overnight shipping as soon as I receive them.

Thanks to all those who PM'd me.

I've tossed some bitcoins to crazyates; in return, he'll ship me his Jalapeno via overnight. Just letting the world know...

Confirmed. I'll edit the OP to reflect this.

You know BFL will be testing the singles before the honor the trade in and won't honor the value for broken ones right? Let me see if I can dig up the post.

i want to buy  one how much will cost me and when you will get and reship it

Can you show me where you saw this? I've been watching almost all of the BFL threads, and I've never heard of this.

YGPM

what you mean YGPM ?

YGPM (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ygpm)

LOL Sorry had too.

Bump. I've had a lot of PMs about these. Make me an offer!

What are you looking for, ballpark? I have no idea what the going rate is for these...

They're expected to make ~10(+/- 3)BTC a week (before the difficulty shoots up), so I've been quoting people about ~40-50BTC.

I looked a while and didn't see. I would email their support and ask before buying broken ones in hope of full trade-in value. I'm 95% sure I saw one of the BFL accounts post that on these forums somewhere since July. They have 3-4 accounts and a lot of posts, I don't have time to check them all.

I just decided to buy another one from BFL, rather than deal with worrying about whether they will take a not-working one back. Plus, not many people are ordering them, and BFL_Josh is doing some good stuff there, so shipping times are coming down!

In the mean time, I've had plenty of PMs, but I'm still accepting offers on the remaining 3.

Bump

Bump. Gimme an offer!

Bump.

Per Jalapeno? So triple retail? For the price you want for 2 of these (7GH/s) I could just go buy a bASIC (27GH/s)...

So, is yours a trade-in order or a straight cash order? I'd think the latter may be worth more, depending on the (as yet unknown) details of BFL's trade in scheme.

Mine was originally a 6/3 order for a Single, but after the ASICs came out, I had my order changed to the 4 Jalapenos. I believe it does count under the 1/3 for trade-ins, however, if you really want to know.

I'm all for competition, but by the time you get your bASIC a month or two after I get these, the difficulty will already be magnitudes higher than what it is now. And when these are making 1BTC/day each at today's difficulty, time is of the essence.

You really think you're getting these next month?

I don't know when I"m getting them. I do know I'm in the first batch, and the latest report from BFL_Josh is late October / early November. IIRC, Tom said the bASIC will ship ~ Novemeber/December. According to my math, that's a 1-2 month difference.

Bump

Bump

Per Jalapeno at 100% PPS you'd be earning BTC8.6/week at the current difficulty/reward, I don't see how you'd get anything close to BTC10/week by the time these ship. If BFL does do the big batch shipment to start, by the time you get the unit and turn around and reship it, you'd probably be lucky to earn BTC10 in the first week with all three mining. That's assuming that BFL stays on target and ships early November; the new expected date for block reward halving is December 1st. If BFL's schedule slips a few weeks and these don't arrive in people's hands before Thanksgiving, the block reward could halve before your buyer even receives them and you could easily be looking at less than BTC1/day for all three by the time you start mining.

That said, I'll offer you a 50% markup on the $150 price of them plus an extra BTC5 for shipping and offer BTC60 for all three.

I think 60BTC is too low, but PM sent to negotiate.

Me and MrTeal worked out that these 3 jalapenos are expected to make approximately anywhere from 40-80BTC between receipt of the units and the end of the year, depending on BFL shipping times, how much they ship (and the difficulty adjustment), the timing of the shipment in correlation to the block recalculations, whether other ASIC competitors ship their products, etc. That said, I'll sell them for 60BTC + the current cost of the hardware, 36BTC, for a total of 96BTC.

OP and title have been updated. Price has been lowered.

Just so I'm clear - you want somebody to reimburse you for the profit you would have made if you'd run them yourself, absorb the operating costs of running them and extend the time taken to break even by operating them in the new year at a decreased reward (25 btc rather than 50) and increased difficulty?

Huh?

First, I'm more than happy to mine with these on my own. Yes they're for sale, but it's not like I can lose if they don't sell: I'll just mine with them, and make plenty of BTC.

Second, the "operating costs" are next to nothing. These will use almost nothing for electricity, and will be insanely profitable at the beginning.

Third, these are expected to ship WELL BEFORE the reward half, so it's estimated that you will be able to mine for a good month or two at 50BTC/block. This first month is the most profitable, which makes it the most important (hence why I'm offering overnight shipping, so you get them faster).

Lastly, the profits are unknown. As I said, the estimated profits are anywhere from 40-80BTC, so I priced these at 60 (plus the cost of the hardware), which is smack dab in the middle. If you think you can earn more than 60BTC before the end of the year, then this sale is MORE profitable than ordering from BFL directly (and getting an order number in the 8 or 9000s). If you don't think you can make at least 60BTC, then you're better off ordering from BFL directly. It's a gamble.

BFL is currently estimating delivery of product in November, when they were initially estimating October.
It would not be out of the question to assume that there will be another delay forthcoming.

Due to release delays, I wouldn't be surprised if the only people who are going to ever see a positive ROI on their BFL ASIC orders are those who are wisely trying to sell them before they ship to folks who haven't sat down and done the math.

Their pre-order pool is going to be so big that it will be self-destructive to the very miners who thought they were going to have an edge.

I included a November 1st ship date in my estimations. Seeing how that's 40 days away, and we havn't heard of any major delays, I don't see how that's unreasonable.

1) Considering I bought these back in June when the price was lower, I spent almost the same # of BTC as what I'm selling them for. And yet my estimated ROI is anywhere from 2-6 months, depending on how those first 2 months go.

2) Have you actually sat down and done the math of how many BTC you can get with 10GH/s? Taking into account shipping times, difficulty recalculation timing, and estimated difficulty? As I said, its anywhere from 40-80BTC.

3) I don't think that's true. Compare the current Single to the SC Single: It's ~48x as fast, at 2.16x the price. That's a 22x performance boost for every Bitcoin (or dollar) spent. But then we have to take into account the reward half. So, as long as the difficulty doesn't go over ~11x what it is now (which would be a ~250THs network), a SC Single will mine the same BTC/day as a current Single in today's market. This is what BFL said would happen, abeit eventually. Who knows how long it will take to get to that point (6 months? 1 year?), so in the mean time, they are insanely more profitable.

3.b) If you think the market will reach numbers larger than 250TH/s in the next 6-12 months, then you have to hope that the USD/BTC price will rise to keep mining on the same level of profitability.

Your ROI isn't taking into account lots of other people having the same equipment or your order not shipping in the first batch.

Assuming they meet their target GH/s, you still won't be profitable long enough before there are too many units out there raising the difficulty up to astronomical levels.

There's more BFL ASIC hardware on pre-order then FPGA stuff that has already sold. You're also not taking into account other ASIC manufacturers (public and private) bringing their products to market around the same time. The current worst case scenario from the amount of $ in pre-order sales for SC miners (assuming they've only sold Jalapenos) is "only" 28TH/s of ASIC's being in the hands of miners shortly. That's doubling plus a 1/3 the current network hashing rate. SC miners alone (let's magically pretend no other hardware will be added to the network between now and then) are going to bring the difficulty rate up to 7,500,000. Assuming 20 watts and 3.5gh/s and 15 cent electricity, $20 bitcoin price, and half reward rate and the standard profitibility decline...you are correct, you'd break even within 2 months easily (assuming not many ASICS are being brought online in that time period).

However, I figure on the difficulty being somewhere around 10 million by the time the first batch of orders has started finally being shipped out (1 month after, and lets say you get yours after a month). So if we use 3.0 actual GH/s being delivered, $30 Bitcoin price,  half reward rate, and assuming a possible 5,000% profit decline in the first year (being retarded and saying something like 2000 TH/s being brought online) if everyone releases their goodies...OK, still within 2 months.

I was wrong.

Have you chosen to accept escrow yet?

Pretty much this is a way to get some ASICs from BFL as fast as possible. I'm sure there is someone out there that who missed out and will be willing to pay more to experience this. Fortunately I ordered within an hour of release and ended up in the 1750's...so I don't have to worry about it.

I sent you a PM, but i'm posting this for public knowledge: I'm willing to work out a deal where escrow is used, but I'd rather not. I'd rather not tie up ~100 BTC in escrow for a minimum of a month, but I also know how important escrow is when making deals on these forums. So the end result is that you'll have to PM me with what kind of deal we can make.  ;)

So me and jasinlee had a deal for the remaining 3, but he backed out, so these are up for grabs again! PM me with any offers.

Also, since I last posted in this thread, the Jalapeno's specs have been increased by ~30%: from 3.5GH/s to 4.5GH/s. WooHoo!

Yep, sorry about that, but life gets in the way sometimes, crazyates has good stuff, buy it people!

Thanks for the confirmation.

Bump.

My offer of 60 is still open if you've changed your mind. Given that from Josh's update on the BFL forums (https://forums.butterflylabs.com/showthread.php/104-Shipping-in-2-3-weeks?p=1461&viewfull=1#post1461) it looks like in the absolute best case these might start shipping in early November and it's quite possible slip a couple weeks, relying on much hashing before the block reward halves is probably pretty optimistic. On top of that the new hash rate increases will actually hurt the Jalapeno's profitability, since the Jalapeno only gained 28.5% while the Single and MR gained 50% and the bASIC gained 100%.

I actually sent BFL an email about upgrading the remaining 3 Jalapenos to a Little Single, and pay the difference. I'll let you know how it goes.

Oh, ok. I assume you're not selling that then, since the Little Singles won't ship until after all the preorders up until September 30th do.

Edit: I was incorrect, you can upgrade and keep your place in line. My bad.

Yep I just heard back from BFL. I upgraded the 3 remaining Jalapenos, and kept my original order date. If you wanna gimme an offer for that 30GH/s, I might be interested. ;)

MrTeal are you still interested in a Jalepeno from first BFL Shipment?

If the price is right, sure. PM me.

I am interested.  Sent you a PM

@Crazyates

Can you give an approximate order number?

I have since agreed to purchase this off of crazyates for an agreed upon price.  Half of which I have already paid and the other half to be escrow through forum member Kluge. 

Confirmed.

Looking forward to a successful transaction ;)

Can't wait to be mining again!