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Seeing that op_return is going to be 80bytes soon on the next update.. Would it be possible to put in torrent files into the blockchain to create a decentralized piratebay?

i noticed that these guys got it up and running to host torrent files on the blockchain, but i rather have it on bitcoin instead. possible?

That would be one more thing for the anti-Bitcoin people to complain about. I don't think that would be a good idea at all.

No way. Torrents files, movies or MP3s are too big. And you cannot insert a file in the blockchain.

You don't need to store the files themselves, only seeds, which usually are pretty small.

Even if it is just the magnet link , I don't think bitcoin should be used this way. It is more for a role of Storj or maidsafe.

Actually you only need the magnetic link.


No one can define how or for what bitcoin is used, if there's people willing to put torrents on the blockchain and other people wants to get them from there, it will be done.

This was idea for one of Crypti dapps few month ago: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=654463.msg10116919#msg10116919

The Streamium guys are doing something like what you are talking about.  Not bittorrent but close.

https://github.com/streamium/paystream


Sorry, misread, as others have pointed out, storj or madesafe is what you are after.

what is everyone's take on how NXT is doing the file storage?

OK, I have read through the NXT forum thread.
It seems that what you are suggesting already exists.

Why do you want to mess up the blockchain with pirate software, movies, etc?
Can't we find better uses for this wonderful gift that Satoshi has bestowed upon us?

Here is another initiative:

https://forum.feathercoin.com/index.php?/topic/4481-ann-link-the-blockchain-file-sharing-protocol/

Not sure what the status is.

there was a coin that has gone down this road, datacoin

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=325735.0

at that time the dev say that there were no ways to store file in the blockchain, maybe now it's possible

Well, since bitcoin´s persistent problem is meager trading volume and about comatose buying interest I can´t see how this would hurt. Any publicity would seem to be good.

Aren't torrents already decentralized? I think we should keep these things seperate and not try bloat the blockchain, but I think its good if the blockchain technology influences things like this, but again, should be kept seperate.


I think he's on about the actual torrent file download which is tiny, not what you're actually attempting to download.

Torrent tracker directories  aren't decentralized yet.
They are referring to putting magnet links so bitcoin essentially becomes a torrent tracker. namecoin or another blockchain would be better suited for this but nothing can stop someone using bitcoin either.

I don't think that is such a good idea.
It will attract trouble towards Bitcoin.
You don't want all the recording/software/gaming studios requesting measures against it because of copyright infringement.

Leave the blockchain as it is.
Use torrents like you have so far.
There is nothing broken there so don't try to fix it.

Changes to blockchain are inevitable. We need progress. Fork need to be updated, confirmation times theoretically could be updated etc. If you are suggesting that we have final form of blockchain already and nothing could be done you are mistaken. But I agree that trying to add to blockchain questionable features like torrents are not wise even if it could be added easily.

The Bitcoin Blockchain itself is an implementation of the technology.
One does not need to bloat the Bitcoin Blockchain with whatever carp they wish.
They can easily create their own Blockchain which will be specifically for that purpose.

Besides, who would wait a day or so to download 40GB of Blockchain data, just to download a torrent seed?

It's just plain stupid.
Don't you think?

yea i didnt account for that 40gb download...

i think nxt actually has that down with pruning the data every 2 weeks to reduce the bloat and selective nodes can choose to archive the data and turn off pruning. concept seems plausible until they release it on mainnet. i wonder how storj and maidsafe is accomplishing the bloat issue?

Merkle tree Pruning scheduled for next bitcoin release(Core 0.11) allowing full nodes that are 1GB.

And what is that exactly?
Are they going to cut back on really old transactions or something like that?

I think I read about something like that in a post.

https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/f9ec3f0fadb11ee9889af977e16915f5d6e01944#diff-c865a8939105e6350a50af02766291b7R1182

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/33oz97/just_merged_pruning_support_in_bitcoin_core_run_a/

Is there a plain English version of those?  :D
Sorry I am not exactly techie, and it's a bit hard for me to understand.

Can you give me a simple explanation on how it's done?

Thanks  :D

Fullnodes contain all data of every transaction from the genesis block, SPV clients include all headers, A pruned full node needs to bootstrap off a Fullnode and be able to create a verifiable pruned tree to verify the validity of all transactions but not need to store all the data of a full node.

More than that I will need to start using technical jargon.... hmmm, I did use a few technical terms in my attempt of using plainspeak... another try..

Pruned full nodes are between SPV and Full nodes where they can verify the validity of all transactions but initially need to trust a peer full node when they are first setup and after that they can validate transactions like a full node.

i think this idea will be implemented into some further development of decentralized p2p technology.

all of us have ideas for new p2p "coins" that could be a system on its own.

like p2p passports, voting or a MMO game where people farm monsters and the game generates a coin with your graphic card while you play and you can then build wallets also outside the game but the money can only be generated within the game.. there are endless possibilities with this

the funny thing is i think the reason why nobody jumps on the bandwagon or why its to hard to get new features build into the altcoins is because the BIG MONEY development is not in yet and doesn't want to because they cant see any profits for themselfs because it if fundamentally impossible to give a group of people special benefits within the framework of the coin, technically possible but the community would not use it because its against their/our beliefs

so the only profit they gain is.. buying/mining early .. which if like an investment into the technology itself and takes a while.
beliefs



i had this idea.. i think its compatible with your thoughts:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=488528.msg10694406#msg10694406 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=488528.msg10694406#msg10694406)

There is another project called Alexandria that is similar. They are doing a crowdfunding on it right now. If you watch the video I think they refer to using Bittorrent or something similar and basically using the Blockchain to decentralized the torrent links.

http://blocktech.com (http://blocktech.com)

the funny thing is i think the reason why nobody jumps on the bandwagon or why its to hard to get new features build into the altcoins is because the BIG MONEY development is not in yet and doesn't want to because they cant see any profits for themselfs because it if fundamentally impossible to give a group of people special benefits within the framework of the coin, technically possible but the community would not use it because its against their/our beliefs

Well said. Hit the nail straight on the head as far as I´m concerned.
Good luck g.