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ive been playing poker for over 20 years... and i do fairly well.   ive been playing at sealswithclubs for the last few days and i have never been sucked out so often by lesser hands. i will never play anything but a freeroll there again. every time i am heavily favored it never fails that runner runner comes for someone that has no business in the hand....  if you want to have fun and play free rolls thats fine a good...but if youre a serious poker player i recomend staying fAR away from this site.....unreal.

What does "sucked out" mean?

I play there from time to time.  I am not a pro poker player, nor do I play often.  It works just fine for me, I guess.

Yes people are probably gambling instead of playing poker.  You shouldn't complain and just tighten up and you'll make more money.  Just play by pot odds and only go all-in with the nuts.  I used to play lot's of penny-poker on PokerStars and made lots.

Exactly - it's a different demographic of players.  Don't complain that you aren't playing with pro's - just learn to adapt to the strategies that people are using on it, and make money accordingly.  ;)

If you make sure to always get it in with the worst odds you'll be the only one sucking out ;-)

What about if they're cheating? They don't show any hashes,seeds or other info about the deck/hand right? They could have one or more bots at each table playing. The bot could either play while "seeing" everyone's cards along with the deck, or the deck/bot's hand could even be manipulated in the bot's favor.

The play on Seals is very loose, so you're going to get sucked out on with more frequency. The upside to this is when your hand does hold up, you'll win a larger pot.

When someone has a much worse hand than you but calls your big bet anyway when they really should have folded, and then proceeds to get just the card(s) he needs to beat you, he has "sucked out" on you.

Say I have 2d 7d, and you have 5c 5s.  The flop comes 2s Kd 5h.  I have a pair of 2s, you have trip 5s.  I bet, you raise, I put you all-in and you call.  Then we see Qd 8d on the turn and river.  I've sucked out on you by catching a runner runner flush.

The reason you see a lot of suck outs on seals, especially on the freerolls, is that people are playing any two cards a lot of the time, and not caring whether they lose because there's another freeroll in less than an hour.  Play for play money on any poker site and you'll see the same thing over and over.

Ah, thanks for the explanation.  I kind of gathered that general idea from reading through other comments on this thread, but that clears it up 100% for me.  And yes, the freerolls are particularly bad for this.  I usually either do the same (bet all-in almost every hand from the start), or stay out of those pots until it's just the more reasonable people left in the game.

Trouble is by then everyone's got twice as many chips as me.

This is true.  :D

wow
you must be a pretty old chick to have been playing poker 20 years.

A lot of guys start playing casually with friends while in their teens or even younger. OP is most likely 32-55

But she could've started when she was 50 and is currently 70. Are bitcoins exclusively a young womans game??

im 20....i came out of the womb with a losing hand

every site is rigged.  ::)

http://bit.ly/rJslMw

Except for the sites that release hashes and keys that could be used to verify fairness.

If every site is rigged I guess we are too  :P, but collusion isn't possible anyways at our new site.  We worry about players working in teams online so we've made a totally Heads-Up site, you vs. 1 other player.

Don't worry buddy. Just press the magic button and all worries will go away.:
http://nooooooooooooooo.com/

I play on site and man make big suck on me. But then I come under chairman micon's ample bosom and I win. Now I am on newly formed seals team Ukraine.

https://sealswithclubs.eu/seals-team-pro/

Don't do that on Strike Sapphire.
I was told I wasn't welcome there because they didn't like me playing 100% pre-flop all-ins on their hourly free-rolls.
It made other players nervous it seemed. ::)

Doesn't matter - I can't play there anyway.

Oh, forgot you're from the USofA :P

Indeed.  ;)

Your sig is annoyingly bright by the way.

Blaming a poker site for your losses is a very reliable tell.

That is why I do not lose. I am team pro Ukraine. I work steel compony.

Can you please not tap the glass. Thanks.

Only played the freerolls on Seals.

Never felt that it was rigged in any way, although I guess people could be using bots/more users at the same time or coordinate with others.

But this would be true for any poker site.

the half hour is brutal for suckouts i guess ppl just don't mind peeing away .05 btc on mediocre hands.  i've noticed as a seals reg that higher staked games/tournies don't have odds beating suckouts nearly as much although they still do happen. Another weird thing is that with the value of btc going up the lower stakes have also tightened up somewhat.  A poker Hand is 5 cards, if you make a bet with less than half your hand (preflop) you are taking a huge risk with any 2 cards.  It is insanely frustrating to see big slick get kicked down repeatedly, but thats bc poker is a cruel bitch, not so much bc of the software.  The river saves me as much as it beats me but the beats are so much worse than the saves those stick out.

this is something ive thought about a ton, when the cards are falling poorly it really does feel as if there is some conspiracy against you.  it defies logic that you can read someone perfect, play your cards just right, and still lose lamf.  Unfortunately thats why they call it gambling and not winning.

When i first found seals room i thought nice, a btc poker room, but on the second thought i got this:

I know nothing about their business and how serious it is handled, it could be highly professional or a 1 man business in a garage with a teenager behind.
The second thing is connected to the first, its the security (how secure are the server(s) and if the game server is compromised are all fund at risk) and collusion prevention.
From the poker community i know that its not uncommon as soon as some nice amounts are involved there are professional colluders if the poke rroom does not prevent it.
On the website i could not find any terms of service or a privacy statement or a company associated. From this perspective i would not deposit a single coin there.

Suck-Out Bingo or get blinded out. Pick your poison.

Or play more cash games.

It's all play money and just for fun anyways.  :D

Don't worry, just gambol !!

I run Seals.

A server breach would be very bad, but it would not result in loss of all coins, the large majority of coins are off server and encrypted.

There have been some simple collusion attempts quickly caught. It's not possible to completely stop collusion, unfortunately. As we grow we'll be able to dedicate more resources to that. You should always watch out for and report anything you think is suspicious to us at admin@sealswithclubs.eu.

Regarding privacy, we don't want your info and promise not to share any info you happen to end up sharing/revealing to us.

You're right of course, but some fish are too dumb to really notice.  The oblivion runs deep and strong in the rigtard.

I recognized you bundled all information in the FAQ, id suggest to have a seperated TOS and eventually a privacy statement as visible as the FAQ link.
There should be a clear statement that fraud is not tolerated and actively fighted, including the consequences on such actions, stars tos is a very good example in my opinion.