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Title: Gauging interest. Custom Made S4/S4+ water block
Post by: Evan on May 06, 2015, 04:28:12 PM
Looking with a friend at getting a custom fabricated S4+ water block, more than likely going to get Alum, instead of copper due to corrosion issues that were seen with the C1 by bitmain.

Don't have prices yet, but Ill put the leg work in and work on getting everything together if people have interest.


Title: Re: Gauging interest. Custom Made S4+ water block
Post by: philipma1957 on May 06, 2015, 06:20:53 PM
  maybe I would go for one.  I never used water cooled miners.  Should do it once.


Title: Re: Gauging interest. Custom Made S4+ water block
Post by: MCHouston on May 06, 2015, 07:44:51 PM
I would be interested.  Will these be compatible with the S4 also?



Title: Re: Gauging interest. Custom Made S4+ water block
Post by: philipma1957 on May 06, 2015, 10:21:58 PM
I would be interested.  Will these be compatible with the S4 also?



ditto to this question as the s4 are much lower in price.


Title: Re: Gauging interest. Custom Made S4+ water block
Post by: notlist3d on May 07, 2015, 01:34:37 AM
I love that I don't see syscooling mentioned.  Please don't use any syscooling gear.

It was just a horrible company.


Title: Re: Gauging interest. Custom Made S4/S4+ water block
Post by: dogie on May 07, 2015, 01:29:58 PM
I love that I don't see syscooling mentioned.  Please don't use any syscooling gear.

It was just a horrible company.

I wouldn't mind if they made the blocks, but maybe not the pumps :P


Title: Re: Gauging interest. Custom Made S4+ water block
Post by: Biffa on May 07, 2015, 01:58:28 PM
I love that I don't see syscooling mentioned.  Please don't use any syscooling gear.

It was just a horrible company.

I wouldn't use them if they gave me the parts free.. Too many issues with AL to Cu and Cu to Brass with this stuff.....

Stick with copper/acetal and don't bother nickel plating either, thats just a pita.


Title: Re: Gauging interest. Custom Made S4/S4+ water block
Post by: Meech on May 08, 2015, 02:38:56 AM
Sounds cool, eventually all home miners should take this route but it sounds pricey for the waterblock.  Is it just novelty?


Title: Re: Gauging interest. Custom Made S4/S4+ water block
Post by: Meech on May 08, 2015, 05:09:31 AM
Sounds cool, eventually all home miners should take this route but it sounds pricey for the waterblock.  Is it just novelty?

Since right now the main thing holding back the S4/S4+ is overheating issues, and you can save 100w by pulling those fans, I am thinking that over all its going to allow more stable overclock/clocking of the units, and allow longer life of the chips as running at 65+ is rough on even good chips.
You still have to power the pump and fans on the cooler though, so power isn't what you're saving on.


Title: Re: Gauging interest. Custom Made S4/S4+ water block
Post by: dogie on May 08, 2015, 07:56:57 AM
Sounds cool, eventually all home miners should take this route but it sounds pricey for the waterblock.  Is it just novelty?

Since right now the main thing holding back the S4/S4+ is overheating issues, and you can save 100w by pulling those fans, I am thinking that over all its going to allow more stable overclock/clocking of the units, and allow longer life of the chips as running at 65+ is rough on even good chips.
You still have to power the pump and fans on the cooler though, so power isn't what you're saving on.

That can be moved external to the inbuilt PSU to get more headroom is what he is suggesting, which is true.


Title: Re: Gauging interest. Custom Made S4/S4+ water block
Post by: wlefever on May 08, 2015, 03:13:34 PM
Interested


Title: Re: Gauging interest. Custom Made S4/S4+ water block
Post by: quakefiend420 on May 08, 2015, 04:40:54 PM
Sounds cool, eventually all home miners should take this route but it sounds pricey for the waterblock.  Is it just novelty?

Since right now the main thing holding back the S4/S4+ is overheating issues, and you can save 100w by pulling those fans, I am thinking that over all its going to allow more stable overclock/clocking of the units, and allow longer life of the chips as running at 65+ is rough on even good chips.
You still have to power the pump and fans on the cooler though, so power isn't what you're saving on.

That can be moved external to the inbuilt PSU to get more headroom is what he is suggesting, which is true.

Mech, Maybe you misunderstood, this isnt to make the S4/S4+ user less power per se, its to increase thermal tolerance, decrease thermal variations, and explore the abilities of overclocking the unit as a whole.

I agree 100% with Dogie, also you wouldn't need as aggressive fans as the case has for water cooling as the cooling properties and thermal conductivity of water is an order of magnitude greater than air.

A conservative estimation puts the S4+ with better cooling able to run in the 3.2-3.5TH range,. and we'll never reach that on Air cooling alone.



Yeah, but can the board level voltage components deliver that sort of power reliably?


Title: Re: Gauging interest. Custom Made S4/S4+ water block
Post by: GigaBit on May 08, 2015, 05:26:53 PM
Maybe... I'm gonna be selling mine this summer before it loses too much value, only ordered it as a temp unit whilst upgrading.

As many others have stated, don't deal with SysCooling.
They killed an otherwise sweet miner, the C1.
If you must offer a kit, I suggest Darkside radiators and Swiftec pumps.
Been running non-stop for me for a few months now.
Me thinks miners learnt their lesson with cheap components.
Lucky for me, I had a pump waiting before the C1 arrived but still needed to replace the radiator, despite the pump being DOA.
Leaks really suck, even more if you didn't prepare and DOA pumps are a real flacid inducer.

As long as you don't touch SysCooling you should do well.
If anything, you should look at a liquid cooling kit for the S5; that I would definitely buy.


Title: Re: Gauging interest. Custom Made S4/S4+ water block
Post by: dogie on May 08, 2015, 05:50:13 PM
As long as you don't touch SysCooling you should do well.
If anything, you should look at a liquid cooling kit for the S5; that I would definitely buy.

Syscooling did an S5 kit. And lets be honest, they were providing entire kits for the C1 [-blocks] for less than we could buy just the radiator. You could have also bought 6 pumps from them for the same price as one of our usual retail ones. But yeah, those pumps did tend to fail a lot.


Title: Re: Gauging interest. Custom Made S4/S4+ water block
Post by: kano on May 08, 2015, 10:05:07 PM
As long as you don't touch SysCooling you should do well.
If anything, you should look at a liquid cooling kit for the S5; that I would definitely buy.

Syscooling did an S5 kit. And lets be honest, they were providing entire kits for the C1 [-blocks] for less than we could buy just the radiator. You could have also bought 6 pumps from them for the same price as one of our usual retail ones. But yeah, those pumps did tend to fail a lot.
You were buying C1 radiators and pump kit parts and selling them?


Title: Re: Gauging interest. Custom Made S4/S4+ water block
Post by: dogie on May 10, 2015, 08:27:19 AM
As long as you don't touch SysCooling you should do well.
If anything, you should look at a liquid cooling kit for the S5; that I would definitely buy.

Syscooling did an S5 kit. And lets be honest, they were providing entire kits for the C1 [-blocks] for less than we could buy just the radiator. You could have also bought 6 pumps from them for the same price as one of our usual retail ones. But yeah, those pumps did tend to fail a lot.
You were buying C1 radiators and pump kit parts and selling them?

No. What I mean was Syscooling was selling and shipping us entire watercooling kits for less than we could buy just the radiator in local markets.


Title: Re: Gauging interest. Custom Made S4/S4+ water block
Post by: mavericklm on May 10, 2015, 08:32:53 AM
interested! in a cooper one, not alu!

cooper more resistant in time
big rads are cooper because of the above


Title: Re: Gauging interest. Custom Made S4/S4+ water block
Post by: dogie on May 10, 2015, 09:13:15 AM
interested! in a cooper one, not alu!

cooper more resistant in time
big rads are cooper because of the above

Making the same block from copper as it is aluminium would increase the weight 3x and the price 9x. Increasing corrosion resistance isn't worth that.


Title: Re: Gauging interest. Custom Made S4/S4+ water block
Post by: mavericklm on May 10, 2015, 09:23:15 AM
i was talking for myself

i need it in cooper so it doesn’t get more complicated with heat exchangers extra pumps and shit


Title: Re: Gauging interest. Custom Made S4/S4+ water block
Post by: philipma1957 on May 10, 2015, 03:38:56 PM
So dogie was  saying the s4+ volts are fixed causing the power draw to be linear on the s4+

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1035657.msg11336299#msg11336299


Since this is the case I do not want a water block as my needs call for under clock and under volt and quiet.




Title: Re: Gauging interest. Custom Made S4/S4+ water block
Post by: Evan on May 10, 2015, 09:01:54 PM
i was talking for myself

i need it in cooper so it doesn’t get more complicated with heat exchangers extra pumps and shit

So far the AL one is 55-90USD an Copper one would be 400-1400USD.... Good luck!~


Title: Re: Gauging interest. Custom Made S4/S4+ water block
Post by: dogie on May 10, 2015, 10:40:22 PM
i was talking for myself

i need it in cooper so it doesn’t get more complicated with heat exchangers extra pumps and shit

So far the AL one is 55-90USD an Copper one would be 400-1400USD.... Good luck!~

Indeed. If corrosion is considered an issue then brass coat something else.


Title: Re: Gauging interest. Custom Made S4/S4+ water block
Post by: mavericklm on May 11, 2015, 04:23:27 AM
i'm curious how many wb i can make with 1400...

i can buy cooper sheets 5mm thick, i can  make the channels or look for a cnc
braze it and test it at above 200psi!

1k for a sheet of 1m*2m*5cm 90kg....


Title: Re: Gauging interest. Custom Made S4/S4+ water block
Post by: dogie on May 11, 2015, 03:51:51 PM
i'm curious how many wb i can make with 1400...

i can buy cooper sheets 5mm thick, i can  make the channels or look for a cnc
braze it and test it at above 200psi!

1k for a sheet of 1m*2m*5cm 90kg....

Get it in 10mm sheet, then you can sandwich two halves together with a basic gasket in the middle. Route / drill a channel into each half and you've got yourself a block.


Title: Re: Gauging interest. Custom Made S4/S4+ water block
Post by: Biffa on May 11, 2015, 06:37:36 PM
i'm curious how many wb i can make with 1400...

i can buy cooper sheets 5mm thick, i can  make the channels or look for a cnc
braze it and test it at above 200psi!

1k for a sheet of 1m*2m*5cm 90kg....

Get it in 10mm sheet, then you can sandwich two halves together with a basic gasket in the middle. Route / drill a channel into each half and you've got yourself a block.

You only need half the block to be copper, the part touching the chips, the other half can be acetal, either clear or black.


Title: Re: Gauging interest. Custom Made S4/S4+ water block
Post by: dogie on May 13, 2015, 02:45:31 PM
i'm curious how many wb i can make with 1400...

i can buy cooper sheets 5mm thick, i can  make the channels or look for a cnc
braze it and test it at above 200psi!

1k for a sheet of 1m*2m*5cm 90kg....

Get it in 10mm sheet, then you can sandwich two halves together with a basic gasket in the middle. Route / drill a channel into each half and you've got yourself a block.

You only need half the block to be copper, the part touching the chips, the other half can be acetal, either clear or black.

His intention wasn't to get cooling improvements from the copper, it was to make the channel in contact with the fluid be copper / not aluminium.


Title: Re: Gauging interest. Custom Made S4/S4+ water block
Post by: mavericklm on May 13, 2015, 03:17:09 PM
i'm curious how many wb i can make with 1400...

i can buy cooper sheets 5mm thick, i can  make the channels or look for a cnc
braze it and test it at above 200psi!

1k for a sheet of 1m*2m*5cm 90kg....

Get it in 10mm sheet, then you can sandwich two halves together with a basic gasket in the middle. Route / drill a channel into each half and you've got yourself a block.

You only need half the block to be copper, the part touching the chips, the other half can be acetal, either clear or black.

His intention wasn't to get cooling improvements from the copper, it was to make the channel in contact with the fluid be copper / not aluminium.

da fuck are u talking about!!!

i just want to plug the miner on my mains and dump the water in a swimming pool!

alu will complicate things with the need for a heat exchanger, pump and radiator just to be safe


Title: Re: Gauging interest. Custom Made S4/S4+ water block
Post by: lovenlifelarge on June 02, 2015, 06:29:33 PM
I'm deff interested...

Im looking to shut my S4's noise up! I live in a unit block where we all sit right on top of each other & the people around me hate the noise i produce...

This could be a life saver in terms of cutting the noise!


Title: Re: Gauging interest. Custom Made S4/S4+ water block
Post by: MCHouston on June 03, 2015, 09:33:52 PM
So are these in stock and ready for ordering?  ;D


Title: Re: Gauging interest. Custom Made S4/S4+ water block
Post by: lovenlifelarge on June 06, 2015, 04:29:55 PM
So are these in stock and ready for ordering?  ;D

In Theory for sale, I am going to post pics this weekened, then what I need to do is get a definitive price ($45 seems to be right), and the figure out shipping for you guys...

Question is  Do you guys want a "kit" like bitmain tried to do, or do you want just the water blocks only?

I think i would wanna source my own pump kit this time around so as long as u supply the blocks with connector barbs already in place i can source my own tubing, radiator & pump.


Title: Re: Gauging interest. Custom Made S4/S4+ water block
Post by: dunand on June 06, 2015, 11:33:12 PM
You need 2 blocks to cool an S4+?

Please post pictures. I love watercooled miners.


Title: Re: Gauging interest. Custom Made S4/S4+ water block
Post by: anamichii on June 18, 2015, 04:15:13 AM
i rather choose water block only.



Title: Re: Gauging interest. Custom Made S4/S4+ water block
Post by: mungwi on July 01, 2015, 07:33:57 AM
this looks interesting, i'd be in for 12 (assuming you'd need 4 blocks per s4+ right?). where are you located?