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Title: Pakistan helicopter crash kills foreign diplomats
Post by: irfan_pak10 on May 09, 2015, 03:41:30 PM
A very sad occasion
At least seven people including both pilot and the Norwegian and Filipino ambassador killed in the crash in Gilgit-Baltistan region.  :'( :'(

Islamabad, Pakistan - A Pakistani military helicopter carrying foreign diplomats in the mountainous region of Gilgit-Baltistan has crashed, killing at least seven people, the military said.

The dead included two pilots, a crew member, Norwegian Ambassador Leif Larsen, Philippines Ambassador Domingo Lucenario Jr and the wives of the Malaysian and Indonesian ambassadors to Pakistan.

The Pakistani Foreign Office released a statement confirming the deaths, also identifying the wife of the Malaysian ambassador as Datin Habibah Mahmud.
Dutch Ambassador Marcel de Vink, Malaysian Ambassador Hasrul Sani Mujtabar and their Polish counterpart Andrzej Ananicz were injured in the crash.
The pilots were identified as Major Altamash and Major Faisal, while the crew member was named Zakir.
In a press conference on Friday evening, Pakistan's Foreign Secretary Aizaz Ahmad Chaudhry said the crash was due to "engine failure", and ruled out any possibility of the helicopter being shot down.
He also expressed his grief at the accident, and extended his condolences to the families of the victims.
Pakistani PM Nawaz Sharif and Pakistani Advisor on Foreign Affairs Sartaj Aziz both earlier did the same, in statements from their offices.
'Technical fault'
The MI-17 helicopter was carrying 17 people, including 11 foreigners and six Pakistanis, the military's spokesperson Major-General Asim Bajwa said in an earlier statement.
The 10 survivors had "varying degrees of injuries". The injured are being treated at the Combined Military Hospital at Jutial, about 30km away from the area in which the crash occurred.
The aircraft crashed in the Naltar Valley area of Gilgit-Baltistan, about 300km north of the capital Islamabad.
The crash was due to a "technical fault" while the helicopter was landing, Bajwa said.
Gilgit-Baltistan is located in Pakistan's extreme north, and is at the junction of three major mountain ranges: the Himalayas, the Karakorum and the Hindu Kush. It is home to more than 100 peaks higher than 7,000 metres. It is also part of the disputed region of Kashmir.
Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif was due to visit Gilgit-Baltistan on Friday, which the diplomats were visiting as part of a four-day tour.
Sharif was en route to Gilgit when the crash occurred, and has now cancelled his visit, state media reported.
He expressed "deep grief and sorrow" over the crash, according to Radio Pakistan.
The helicopter that crashed was part of a group of three, all of which were carrying foreign diplomats on their tour of the area.


Title: Re: Pakistan helicopter crash kills foreign diplomats
Post by: Salman Anjum on May 09, 2015, 03:52:47 PM
It was a very sad news for me...:(

Two ambassadors are among seven people killed when a military helicopter crashed into a school in Pakistan’s mountainous north and burst into flames.

The envoys were part of a large group of foreign dignitaries being ferried to the inauguration of a ski resort chairlift in the town of Naltar on Friday. It was due to be attended by the Pakistani prime minister.
The army said four foreign passengers died, including Domingo D Lucenario, the Philippine ambassador, and the Norwegian envoy Leif H Larsen. The wives of the Malaysian and Indonesian envoys were also killed, along with the helicopter’s two pilots and a crew member.
Many of the other 17 people on board, including the Polish and Dutch ambassadors, were injured and had to be airlifted to a nearby military hospital.

Pak-Army we love you and we all stand  with you...



Title: Re: Pakistan helicopter crash kills foreign diplomats
Post by: CoinFoxs on May 09, 2015, 08:47:15 PM
A very sad incident in the history of Pakistan  >:(

'Technical fault'
The MI-17 helicopter was carrying 17 people, including 11 foreigners and six Pakistanis, the military's spokesperson Major-General Asim Bajwa said in an earlier statement.
The 10 survivors had "varying degrees of injuries". The injured are being treated at the Combined Military Hospital at Jutial, about 30km away from the area in which the crash occurred.
The aircraft crashed in the Naltar Valley area of Gilgit-Baltistan, about 300km north of the capital Islamabad.
The crash was due to a "technical fault" while the helicopter was landing, Bajwa said.
Gilgit-Baltistan is located in Pakistan's extreme north, and is at the junction of three major mountain ranges: the Himalayas, the Karakorum and the Hindu Kush. It is home to more than 100 peaks higher than 7,000 metres. It is also part of the disputed region of Kashmir.
Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif was due to visit Gilgit-Baltistan on Friday, which the diplomats were visiting as part of a four-day tour.
Sharif was en route to Gilgit when the crash occurred, and has now cancelled his visit, state media reported.
He expressed "deep grief and sorrow" over the crash, according to Radio Pakistan.


Title: Re: Pakistan helicopter crash kills foreign diplomats
Post by: Chef Ramsay on May 09, 2015, 09:33:42 PM
I don't know much about choppers but it seems that a technical fault when landing would likely mean that the engines gave out unless the blades clipped something on the way down.


Title: Re: Pakistan helicopter crash kills foreign diplomats
Post by: panju1 on May 10, 2015, 03:21:27 AM
Technical failure? Didn't the Taliban claim responsibility?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/11591630/Helicopter-carrying-foreign-diplomats-crashes-in-Pakistan-killing-two-ambassadors.html

Not sure whether to believe the Government version.  :)


Title: Re: Pakistan helicopter crash kills foreign diplomats
Post by: irfan_pak10 on May 10, 2015, 03:22:52 PM
Technical failure? Didn't the Taliban claim responsibility?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/11591630/Helicopter-carrying-foreign-diplomats-crashes-in-Pakistan-killing-two-ambassadors.html

Not sure whether to believe the Government version.  :)

No its reported that THAT incident is due to Engine failure, Its not a terrorist attack.


Title: Re: Pakistan helicopter crash kills foreign diplomats
Post by: brendanjhwu on May 11, 2015, 01:14:43 AM
It was a very sad news for me...:(

Two ambassadors are among seven people killed when a military helicopter crashed into a school in Pakistan’s mountainous north and burst into flames.

The envoys were part of a large group of foreign dignitaries being ferried to the inauguration of a ski resort chairlift in the town of Naltar on Friday. It was due to be attended by the Pakistani prime minister.
The army said four foreign passengers died, including Domingo D Lucenario, the Philippine ambassador, and the Norwegian envoy Leif H Larsen. The wives of the Malaysian and Indonesian envoys were also killed, along with the helicopter’s two pilots and a crew member.
Many of the other 17 people on board, including the Polish and Dutch ambassadors, were injured and had to be airlifted to a nearby military hospital.

Pak-Army we love you and we all stand  with you...



Speak for yourself, It was the "Pak-Army"'s fault in the first place. I don't know why you feel so sorry for them, but not the actual ambassadors??? Are you sure you read the post correctly...?

This comes out a little harsh, but I seriously don't get it.


Title: Re: Pakistan helicopter crash kills foreign diplomats
Post by: GregH37 on July 03, 2015, 10:54:21 AM
Pakistan helicopter crash kills foreign ambassadors

Two ambassadors are among seven people killed when a military helicopter crashed into a school in Pakistan’s mountainous north and burst into flames.

The envoys were part of a large group of foreign dignitaries being ferried to the inauguration of a ski resort chairlift in the town of Naltar on Friday. It was due to be attended by the Pakistani prime minister.
The army said four foreign passengers died, including Domingo D Lucenario, the Philippine ambassador, and the Norwegian envoy Leif H Larsen. The wives of the Malaysian and Indonesian envoys were also killed, along with the helicopter’s two pilots and a crew member.
Many of the other 17 people on board, including the Polish and Dutch ambassadors, were injured and had to be airlifted to a nearby military hospital.


Title: Re: Pakistan helicopter crash kills foreign diplomats
Post by: tensports on July 03, 2015, 12:19:52 PM
It's so sad incident two helicopter pilot and several countries ambassadors killed including Philippines and Indonesia ambassadors and some ambassadors injures


Title: Re: Pakistan helicopter crash kills foreign diplomats
Post by: GregH37 on July 03, 2015, 05:07:42 PM
It's so sad incident two helicopter pilot and several countries ambassadors killed including Philippines and Indonesia ambassadors and some ambassadors injures

Yeah it was a very sad incident, some army person and ambassadors of other countries are killed in this incident. a very sad demise of foreigner ambassador and army person of Pakistan.


Title: Re: Pakistan helicopter crash kills foreign diplomats
Post by: BillyBones on July 03, 2015, 05:39:45 PM
It is sad to hear that news, my condolences to the victims family. Hope in future Pakistan would take appropriate measures to avoid such accidents, how come they are so careless about the engine performance while carrying the high rank foreign diplomats.


Title: Re: Pakistan helicopter crash kills foreign diplomats
Post by: Spendulus on July 04, 2015, 01:04:30 AM
Technical failure? Didn't the Taliban claim responsibility?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/11591630/Helicopter-carrying-foreign-diplomats-crashes-in-Pakistan-killing-two-ambassadors.html

Not sure whether to believe the Government version.  :)

No its reported that THAT incident is due to Engine failure, Its not a terrorist attack.
yeah, that's what they USUALLY do.  Blame it on engine failures.....


Title: Re: Pakistan helicopter crash kills foreign diplomats
Post by: GregH37 on July 04, 2015, 07:18:36 AM
It is sad to hear that news, my condolences to the victims family. Hope in future Pakistan would take appropriate measures to avoid such accidents, how come they are so careless about the engine performance while carrying the high rank foreign diplomats.

I also hoping that Pakistan will overcome these problems like technical faults and safe the life of people whether they are Pakistani or Foreigner. Everyone's Life is important.


Title: Re: Pakistan helicopter crash kills foreign diplomats
Post by: GregH37 on July 04, 2015, 07:28:28 AM
Technical failure? Didn't the Taliban claim responsibility?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/11591630/Helicopter-carrying-foreign-diplomats-crashes-in-Pakistan-killing-two-ambassadors.html

Not sure whether to believe the Government version.  :)

No its reported that THAT incident is due to Engine failure, Its not a terrorist attack.
yeah, that's what they USUALLY do.  Blame it on engine failures.....

@spendulus it was not a terrorist attack, it was just due to engine failure. Those who called this a terrorist attack. They are wrong.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/05/08/asia/pakistan-chopper-hard-landing/


Title: Re: Pakistan helicopter crash kills foreign diplomats
Post by: CoinFoxs on July 04, 2015, 08:00:51 AM
Technical failure? Didn't the Taliban claim responsibility?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/11591630/Helicopter-carrying-foreign-diplomats-crashes-in-Pakistan-killing-two-ambassadors.html

Not sure whether to believe the Government version.  :)

No its reported that THAT incident is due to Engine failure, Its not a terrorist attack.
yeah, that's what they USUALLY do.  Blame it on engine failures.....

@spendulus it was not a terrorist attack, it was just due to engine failure. Those who called this a terrorist attack. They are wrong.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/05/08/asia/pakistan-chopper-hard-landing/

I read the news of Helicopter Crash in Paakistan...It was a technical fault not a terrorist attack..


Title: Re: Pakistan helicopter crash kills foreign diplomats
Post by: bryant.coleman on July 04, 2015, 08:27:03 AM
@spendulus it was not a terrorist attack, it was just due to engine failure. Those who called this a terrorist attack. They are wrong.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/05/08/asia/pakistan-chopper-hard-landing/

The Pakistani Army version of the events are not 100% acceptable. They seems to be hiding something. And the most important question is what these ambassadors were doing in Gilgit-Baltistan. The region is one of the constituents of Jammu and Kashmir, the ownership of which is disputed between India, China, and Pakistan.


Title: Re: Pakistan helicopter crash kills foreign diplomats
Post by: GregH37 on July 04, 2015, 09:39:51 AM
@spendulus it was not a terrorist attack, it was just due to engine failure. Those who called this a terrorist attack. They are wrong.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/05/08/asia/pakistan-chopper-hard-landing/

The Pakistani Army version of the events are not 100% acceptable. They seems to be hiding something. And the most important question is what these ambassadors were doing in Gilgit-Baltistan. The region is one of the constituents of Jammu and Kashmir, the ownership of which is disputed between India, China, and Pakistan.

The diplomats flying in the ill-fated MI-17 on Friday were headed for the inauguration of a ski chairlift, built in the breathtaking resort of Naltar, in northern Pakistan.


Title: Re: Pakistan helicopter crash kills foreign diplomats
Post by: Sithara007 on July 04, 2015, 11:54:50 AM
The diplomats flying in the ill-fated MI-17 on Friday were headed for the inauguration of a ski chairlift, built in the breathtaking resort of Naltar, in northern Pakistan.

Incidents such as this will be interpreted by the Indians as foreign involvement in the disputed territory.


Title: Re: Pakistan helicopter crash kills foreign diplomats
Post by: Spendulus on July 04, 2015, 06:57:31 PM
Technical failure? Didn't the Taliban claim responsibility?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/11591630/Helicopter-carrying-foreign-diplomats-crashes-in-Pakistan-killing-two-ambassadors.html

Not sure whether to believe the Government version.  :)

No its reported that THAT incident is due to Engine failure, Its not a terrorist attack.
yeah, that's what they USUALLY do.  Blame it on engine failures.....

@spendulus it was not a terrorist attack, it was just due to engine failure. Those who called this a terrorist attack. They are wrong.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/05/08/asia/pakistan-chopper-hard-landing/

Hey, Greg I think I understand your reasoning now.

If 9/11 happens to the US, oh, it wasn't Muslim terrorists, somehow it was the US Government.

If Helicopter goes down in Pakistan, every word the Pakistan government said is the truth.

Got it!

Thanks.


Title: Re: Pakistan helicopter crash kills foreign diplomats
Post by: GregH37 on July 05, 2015, 07:58:46 AM
Technical failure? Didn't the Taliban claim responsibility?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/11591630/Helicopter-carrying-foreign-diplomats-crashes-in-Pakistan-killing-two-ambassadors.html

Not sure whether to believe the Government version.  :)

No its reported that THAT incident is due to Engine failure, Its not a terrorist attack.
yeah, that's what they USUALLY do.  Blame it on engine failures.....

@spendulus it was not a terrorist attack, it was just due to engine failure. Those who called this a terrorist attack. They are wrong.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/05/08/asia/pakistan-chopper-hard-landing/

Hey, Greg I think I understand your reasoning now.

If 9/11 happens to the US, oh, it wasn't Muslim terrorists, somehow it was the US Government.

If Helicopter goes down in Pakistan, every word the Pakistan government said is the truth.

Got it!

Thanks.


Yeah i got your point and this was not a terrorist attack, this was just due to failure of engine or some technical fault..And yes muslims were not behind 9/11.


Title: Re: Pakistan helicopter crash kills foreign diplomats
Post by: bryant.coleman on July 05, 2015, 08:18:43 AM
Yeah i got your point and this was not a terrorist attack, this was just due to failure of engine or some technical fault..And yes muslims were not behind 9/11.

Still, I am not finding the Pakistani army version of the events 100% believable. Since most of the passengers were VIPs, they must have conducted the necessary security checks and maintenance inspections before the takeoff.

BTW, I don't know why so many people are mentioning 9/11 here. There is no connection between the two events. That said, all of the perpetrators in that attack were Muslims, although I am not that sure about the masterminds.


Title: Re: Pakistan helicopter crash kills foreign diplomats
Post by: GregH37 on July 05, 2015, 10:17:43 AM
Yeah i got your point and this was not a terrorist attack, this was just due to failure of engine or some technical fault..And yes muslims were not behind 9/11.

Still, I am not finding the Pakistani army version of the events 100% believable. Since most of the passengers were VIPs, they must have conducted the necessary security checks and maintenance inspections before the takeoff.

BTW, I don't know why so many people are mentioning 9/11 here. There is no connection between the two events. That said, all of the perpetrators in that attack were Muslims, although I am not that sure about the masterminds.

Military spokesman Maj Gen Asim Bajwa that this incident was occurs due to technical fault. He said there is a fault in their engine or due to engine failure..
And yes there is no connection between 9/11 and this event of helicopter's crash in Naltar Pakistan.


Title: Re: Pakistan helicopter crash kills foreign diplomats
Post by: Spendulus on July 05, 2015, 11:03:14 AM
Yeah i got your point and this was not a terrorist attack, this was just due to failure of engine or some technical fault..And yes muslims were not behind 9/11.

Still, I am not finding the Pakistani army version of the events 100% believable. Since most of the passengers were VIPs, they must have conducted the necessary security checks and maintenance inspections before the takeoff.

BTW, I don't know why so many people are mentioning 9/11 here. There is no connection between the two events. That said, all of the perpetrators in that attack were Muslims, although I am not that sure about the masterminds.
Because Greg is asking us to believe the Pakistani government's story, but to disbelieve the US government's story.


Title: Re: Pakistan helicopter crash kills foreign diplomats
Post by: GregH37 on July 05, 2015, 11:39:14 AM
Yeah i got your point and this was not a terrorist attack, this was just due to failure of engine or some technical fault..And yes muslims were not behind 9/11.

Still, I am not finding the Pakistani army version of the events 100% believable. Since most of the passengers were VIPs, they must have conducted the necessary security checks and maintenance inspections before the takeoff.

BTW, I don't know why so many people are mentioning 9/11 here. There is no connection between the two events. That said, all of the perpetrators in that attack were Muslims, although I am not that sure about the masterminds.
Because Greg is asking us to believe the Pakistani government's story, but to disbelieve the US government's story.



Everyone know about the US government. You didn't know about iran attack, about Afghanistan War, You didn't know anything..
If you believe on Pakistani government it didn't give any benefit to me and truth still truth if you believe or not..


Title: Re: Pakistan helicopter crash kills foreign diplomats
Post by: Spendulus on July 06, 2015, 02:04:42 AM
Yeah i got your point and this was not a terrorist attack, this was just due to failure of engine or some technical fault..And yes muslims were not behind 9/11.

Still, I am not finding the Pakistani army version of the events 100% believable. Since most of the passengers were VIPs, they must have conducted the necessary security checks and maintenance inspections before the takeoff.

BTW, I don't know why so many people are mentioning 9/11 here. There is no connection between the two events. That said, all of the perpetrators in that attack were Muslims, although I am not that sure about the masterminds.
Because Greg is asking us to believe the Pakistani government's story, but to disbelieve the US government's story.



Everyone know about the US government. You didn't know about iran attack, about Afghanistan War, You didn't know anything..
If you believe on Pakistani government it didn't give any benefit to me and truth still truth if you believe or not..

What if I don't believe much of what ANY government says?


Title: Re: Pakistan helicopter crash kills foreign diplomats
Post by: GregH37 on July 07, 2015, 06:39:48 AM
Yeah i got your point and this was not a terrorist attack, this was just due to failure of engine or some technical fault..And yes muslims were not behind 9/11.

Still, I am not finding the Pakistani army version of the events 100% believable. Since most of the passengers were VIPs, they must have conducted the necessary security checks and maintenance inspections before the takeoff.

BTW, I don't know why so many people are mentioning 9/11 here. There is no connection between the two events. That said, all of the perpetrators in that attack were Muslims, although I am not that sure about the masterminds.
Because Greg is asking us to believe the Pakistani government's story, but to disbelieve the US government's story.



Everyone know about the US government. You didn't know about iran attack, about Afghanistan War, You didn't know anything..
If you believe on Pakistani government it didn't give any benefit to me and truth still truth if you believe or not..

What if I don't believe much of what ANY government says?



That is your personal opinion dear what can i say....I cna't force you on that.. Think what you want..:P


Title: Re: Pakistan helicopter crash kills foreign diplomats
Post by: Salman Anjum on July 07, 2015, 11:01:36 AM
Yeah i got your point and this was not a terrorist attack, this was just due to failure of engine or some technical fault..And yes muslims were not behind 9/11.

Still, I am not finding the Pakistani army version of the events 100% believable. Since most of the passengers were VIPs, they must have conducted the necessary security checks and maintenance inspections before the takeoff.

BTW, I don't know why so many people are mentioning 9/11 here. There is no connection between the two events. That said, all of the perpetrators in that attack were Muslims, although I am not that sure about the masterminds.

Military spokesman Maj Gen Asim Bajwa that this incident was occurs due to technical fault. He said there is a fault in their engine or due to engine failure..
And yes there is no connection between 9/11 and this event of helicopter's crash in Naltar Pakistan.

I am from Pakistan and This crash was occured due to technical fault...
Engine Fails due to technical fault and helicopter crash on a school near Naltar...
This was told by Army person on Pakistani Media.....

Th


Title: Re: Pakistan helicopter crash kills foreign diplomats
Post by: CoinFoxs on July 07, 2015, 01:13:12 PM
Yeah i got your point and this was not a terrorist attack, this was just due to failure of engine or some technical fault..And yes muslims were not behind 9/11.

Still, I am not finding the Pakistani army version of the events 100% believable. Since most of the passengers were VIPs, they must have conducted the necessary security checks and maintenance inspections before the takeoff.

BTW, I don't know why so many people are mentioning 9/11 here. There is no connection between the two events. That said, all of the perpetrators in that attack were Muslims, although I am not that sure about the masterminds.

Military spokesman Maj Gen Asim Bajwa that this incident was occurs due to technical fault. He said there is a fault in their engine or due to engine failure..
And yes there is no connection between 9/11 and this event of helicopter's crash in Naltar Pakistan.

I am from Pakistan and This crash was occured due to technical fault...
Engine Fails due to technical fault and helicopter crash on a school near Naltar...
This was told by Army person on Pakistani Media.....

Th


Aizaz Chaudhry, the top official at the Pakistani Ministry of Foreign Affairs, said the crash was caused by a mechanical failure, 
http://www.wsj.com/articles/pakistan-military-helicopter-carrying-foreigners-crashes-1431073427


Title: Re: Pakistan helicopter crash kills foreign diplomats
Post by: Spendulus on July 07, 2015, 01:17:35 PM
Yeah i got your point and this was not a terrorist attack, this was just due to failure of engine or some technical fault..And yes muslims were not behind 9/11.

Still, I am not finding the Pakistani army version of the events 100% believable. Since most of the passengers were VIPs, they must have conducted the necessary security checks and maintenance inspections before the takeoff.

BTW, I don't know why so many people are mentioning 9/11 here. There is no connection between the two events. That said, all of the perpetrators in that attack were Muslims, although I am not that sure about the masterminds.

Military spokesman Maj Gen Asim Bajwa that this incident was occurs due to technical fault. He said there is a fault in their engine or due to engine failure..
And yes there is no connection between 9/11 and this event of helicopter's crash in Naltar Pakistan.

I am from Pakistan and This crash was occured due to technical fault...
Engine Fails due to technical fault and helicopter crash on a school near Naltar...
This was told by Army person on Pakistani Media.....

Th


Aizaz Chaudhry, the top official at the Pakistani Ministry of Foreign Affairs, said the crash was caused by a mechanical failure, 
http://www.wsj.com/articles/pakistan-military-helicopter-carrying-foreigners-crashes-1431073427

Of course if someone was from Pakistan, they might need to defend their Government Story.

In the USA, we do not have to defend the Pakistan Government Story, or the US Government Story.


Title: Re: Pakistan helicopter crash kills foreign diplomats
Post by: GregH37 on July 07, 2015, 01:55:08 PM
Yeah i got your point and this was not a terrorist attack, this was just due to failure of engine or some technical fault..And yes muslims were not behind 9/11.

Still, I am not finding the Pakistani army version of the events 100% believable. Since most of the passengers were VIPs, they must have conducted the necessary security checks and maintenance inspections before the takeoff.

BTW, I don't know why so many people are mentioning 9/11 here. There is no connection between the two events. That said, all of the perpetrators in that attack were Muslims, although I am not that sure about the masterminds.

Military spokesman Maj Gen Asim Bajwa that this incident was occurs due to technical fault. He said there is a fault in their engine or due to engine failure..
And yes there is no connection between 9/11 and this event of helicopter's crash in Naltar Pakistan.

I am from Pakistan and This crash was occured due to technical fault...
Engine Fails due to technical fault and helicopter crash on a school near Naltar...
This was told by Army person on Pakistani Media.....

Th


Aizaz Chaudhry, the top official at the Pakistani Ministry of Foreign Affairs, said the crash was caused by a mechanical failure,  
http://www.wsj.com/articles/pakistan-military-helicopter-carrying-foreigners-crashes-1431073427

Of course if someone was from Pakistan, they might need to defend their Government Story.

In the USA, we do not have to defend the Pakistan Government Story, or the US Government Story.

Hahaha @Spendulus tell me one thing ? The person who is not belonged to your place then how he tell you that what is happening in your place ??
And Muslims always defend truth not their country got it :P if their brother is wrong they said he is wrong...


Title: Re: Pakistan helicopter crash kills foreign diplomats
Post by: Salman Anjum on July 07, 2015, 02:11:59 PM
Yeah i got your point and this was not a terrorist attack, this was just due to failure of engine or some technical fault..And yes muslims were not behind 9/11.

Still, I am not finding the Pakistani army version of the events 100% believable. Since most of the passengers were VIPs, they must have conducted the necessary security checks and maintenance inspections before the takeoff.

BTW, I don't know why so many people are mentioning 9/11 here. There is no connection between the two events. That said, all of the perpetrators in that attack were Muslims, although I am not that sure about the masterminds.

Military spokesman Maj Gen Asim Bajwa that this incident was occurs due to technical fault. He said there is a fault in their engine or due to engine failure..
And yes there is no connection between 9/11 and this event of helicopter's crash in Naltar Pakistan.

I am from Pakistan and This crash was occured due to technical fault...
Engine Fails due to technical fault and helicopter crash on a school near Naltar...
This was told by Army person on Pakistani Media.....

Th


Aizaz Chaudhry, the top official at the Pakistani Ministry of Foreign Affairs, said the crash was caused by a mechanical failure, 
http://www.wsj.com/articles/pakistan-military-helicopter-carrying-foreigners-crashes-1431073427

Of course if someone was from Pakistan, they might need to defend their Government Story.

In the USA, we do not have to defend the Pakistan Government Story, or the US Government Story.

He was not defending Pakistani Government.....
He told truth what had done in Naltar....
Incident occur due to technical fault in the engine of helicopter..


Title: Re: Pakistan helicopter crash kills foreign diplomats
Post by: Spendulus on July 07, 2015, 02:29:03 PM
Yeah i got your point and this was not a terrorist attack, this was just due to failure of engine or some technical fault..And yes muslims were not behind 9/11.

Still, I am not finding the Pakistani army version of the events 100% believable. Since most of the passengers were VIPs, they must have conducted the necessary security checks and maintenance inspections before the takeoff.

BTW, I don't know why so many people are mentioning 9/11 here. There is no connection between the two events. That said, all of the perpetrators in that attack were Muslims, although I am not that sure about the masterminds.

Military spokesman Maj Gen Asim Bajwa that this incident was occurs due to technical fault. He said there is a fault in their engine or due to engine failure..
And yes there is no connection between 9/11 and this event of helicopter's crash in Naltar Pakistan.

I am from Pakistan and This crash was occured due to technical fault...
Engine Fails due to technical fault and helicopter crash on a school near Naltar...
This was told by Army person on Pakistani Media.....

Th


Aizaz Chaudhry, the top official at the Pakistani Ministry of Foreign Affairs, said the crash was caused by a mechanical failure, 
http://www.wsj.com/articles/pakistan-military-helicopter-carrying-foreigners-crashes-1431073427

Of course if someone was from Pakistan, they might need to defend their Government Story.

In the USA, we do not have to defend the Pakistan Government Story, or the US Government Story.

He was not defending Pakistani Government.....
He told truth what had done in Naltar....
Incident occur due to technical fault in the engine of helicopter..

No he was not, he was making an claim that cannot be supported with facts - only with belief. 

Nobody that had not examined the engine would be able to say for sure.   And the stories are not inconsistent; the government could claim it was a "technical fault" and the "technical fault" could have been sabotage.  This is really a silly thing to argue over.

By contrast, people seem free to criticize the US government and place the conspiracy theory of the 911 on them, while ignoring all the facts.

Ridiculous.


Title: Re: Pakistan helicopter crash kills foreign diplomats
Post by: CoinFoxs on July 07, 2015, 05:35:48 PM
Yeah i got your point and this was not a terrorist attack, this was just due to failure of engine or some technical fault..And yes muslims were not behind 9/11.

Still, I am not finding the Pakistani army version of the events 100% believable. Since most of the passengers were VIPs, they must have conducted the necessary security checks and maintenance inspections before the takeoff.

BTW, I don't know why so many people are mentioning 9/11 here. There is no connection between the two events. That said, all of the perpetrators in that attack were Muslims, although I am not that sure about the masterminds.

Military spokesman Maj Gen Asim Bajwa that this incident was occurs due to technical fault. He said there is a fault in their engine or due to engine failure..
And yes there is no connection between 9/11 and this event of helicopter's crash in Naltar Pakistan.

I am from Pakistan and This crash was occured due to technical fault...
Engine Fails due to technical fault and helicopter crash on a school near Naltar...
This was told by Army person on Pakistani Media.....

Th


Aizaz Chaudhry, the top official at the Pakistani Ministry of Foreign Affairs, said the crash was caused by a mechanical failure, 
http://www.wsj.com/articles/pakistan-military-helicopter-carrying-foreigners-crashes-1431073427

Of course if someone was from Pakistan, they might need to defend their Government Story.

In the USA, we do not have to defend the Pakistan Government Story, or the US Government Story.

He was not defending Pakistani Government.....
He told truth what had done in Naltar....
Incident occur due to technical fault in the engine of helicopter..

No he was not, he was making an claim that cannot be supported with facts - only with belief. 

Nobody that had not examined the engine would be able to say for sure.   And the stories are not inconsistent; the government could claim it was a "technical fault" and the "technical fault" could have been sabotage.  This is really a silly thing to argue over.

By contrast, people seem free to criticize the US government and place the conspiracy theory of the 911 on them, while ignoring all the facts.

Ridiculous.


We are talking about Helicopter crash in Pakistan, why you are comapring it with 9/11..It is a seperate issue and Government claim what actually happened, If you have some proof that this crash was a terror attack then give us..?


Title: Re: Pakistan helicopter crash kills foreign diplomats
Post by: GregH37 on July 07, 2015, 05:56:07 PM
Yeah i got your point and this was not a terrorist attack, this was just due to failure of engine or some technical fault..And yes muslims were not behind 9/11.

Still, I am not finding the Pakistani army version of the events 100% believable. Since most of the passengers were VIPs, they must have conducted the necessary security checks and maintenance inspections before the takeoff.

BTW, I don't know why so many people are mentioning 9/11 here. There is no connection between the two events. That said, all of the perpetrators in that attack were Muslims, although I am not that sure about the masterminds.

Military spokesman Maj Gen Asim Bajwa that this incident was occurs due to technical fault. He said there is a fault in their engine or due to engine failure..
And yes there is no connection between 9/11 and this event of helicopter's crash in Naltar Pakistan.

I am from Pakistan and This crash was occured due to technical fault...
Engine Fails due to technical fault and helicopter crash on a school near Naltar...
This was told by Army person on Pakistani Media.....

Th


Aizaz Chaudhry, the top official at the Pakistani Ministry of Foreign Affairs, said the crash was caused by a mechanical failure, 
http://www.wsj.com/articles/pakistan-military-helicopter-carrying-foreigners-crashes-1431073427

Of course if someone was from Pakistan, they might need to defend their Government Story.

In the USA, we do not have to defend the Pakistan Government Story, or the US Government Story.

He was not defending Pakistani Government.....
He told truth what had done in Naltar....
Incident occur due to technical fault in the engine of helicopter..

No he was not, he was making an claim that cannot be supported with facts - only with belief. 

Nobody that had not examined the engine would be able to say for sure.   And the stories are not inconsistent; the government could claim it was a "technical fault" and the "technical fault" could have been sabotage.  This is really a silly thing to argue over.

By contrast, people seem free to criticize the US government and place the conspiracy theory of the 911 on them, while ignoring all the facts.

Ridiculous.

In your opinion this was not a technical fault right ?? And if this is a terror attack then Pakistani government claim that this was terror attack because many terror attack claimed by the government then why they don't claim this incident..? Have you any answer ?


Title: Re: Pakistan helicopter crash kills foreign diplomats
Post by: Spendulus on July 07, 2015, 06:37:30 PM
Yeah i got your point and this was not a terrorist attack, this was just due to failure of engine or some technical fault..And yes muslims were not behind 9/11.

Still, I am not finding the Pakistani army version of the events 100% believable. Since most of the passengers were VIPs, they must have conducted the necessary security checks and maintenance inspections before the takeoff.

BTW, I don't know why so many people are mentioning 9/11 here. There is no connection between the two events. That said, all of the perpetrators in that attack were Muslims, although I am not that sure about the masterminds.

Military spokesman Maj Gen Asim Bajwa that this incident was occurs due to technical fault. He said there is a fault in their engine or due to engine failure..
And yes there is no connection between 9/11 and this event of helicopter's crash in Naltar Pakistan.

I am from Pakistan and This crash was occured due to technical fault...
Engine Fails due to technical fault and helicopter crash on a school near Naltar...
This was told by Army person on Pakistani Media.....

Th


Aizaz Chaudhry, the top official at the Pakistani Ministry of Foreign Affairs, said the crash was caused by a mechanical failure, 
http://www.wsj.com/articles/pakistan-military-helicopter-carrying-foreigners-crashes-1431073427

Of course if someone was from Pakistan, they might need to defend their Government Story.

In the USA, we do not have to defend the Pakistan Government Story, or the US Government Story.

He was not defending Pakistani Government.....
He told truth what had done in Naltar....
Incident occur due to technical fault in the engine of helicopter..

No he was not, he was making an claim that cannot be supported with facts - only with belief. 

Nobody that had not examined the engine would be able to say for sure.   And the stories are not inconsistent; the government could claim it was a "technical fault" and the "technical fault" could have been sabotage.  This is really a silly thing to argue over.

By contrast, people seem free to criticize the US government and place the conspiracy theory of the 911 on them, while ignoring all the facts.

Ridiculous.


We are talking about Helicopter crash in Pakistan, why you are comapring it with 9/11..It is a seperate issue and Government claim what actually happened, If you have some proof that this crash was a terror attack then give us..?
I do not have to prove that the crash was a terror attack.

I only point out that you actually know NOTHING about the cause of the crash - you are only repeating what your government told you.

By contrast with 911 we know a great deal.  Things that we call "Facts."  Like for example, planes flew into towers.  Muslims claimed responsibility for planes flying into towers. 

If you have any FACTS about your helicopter crash, please provide them.


Title: Re: Pakistan helicopter crash kills foreign diplomats
Post by: GregH37 on July 07, 2015, 06:49:13 PM
Yeah i got your point and this was not a terrorist attack, this was just due to failure of engine or some technical fault..And yes muslims were not behind 9/11.

Still, I am not finding the Pakistani army version of the events 100% believable. Since most of the passengers were VIPs, they must have conducted the necessary security checks and maintenance inspections before the takeoff.

BTW, I don't know why so many people are mentioning 9/11 here. There is no connection between the two events. That said, all of the perpetrators in that attack were Muslims, although I am not that sure about the masterminds.

Military spokesman Maj Gen Asim Bajwa that this incident was occurs due to technical fault. He said there is a fault in their engine or due to engine failure..
And yes there is no connection between 9/11 and this event of helicopter's crash in Naltar Pakistan.

I am from Pakistan and This crash was occured due to technical fault...
Engine Fails due to technical fault and helicopter crash on a school near Naltar...
This was told by Army person on Pakistani Media.....

Th


Aizaz Chaudhry, the top official at the Pakistani Ministry of Foreign Affairs, said the crash was caused by a mechanical failure, 
http://www.wsj.com/articles/pakistan-military-helicopter-carrying-foreigners-crashes-1431073427

Of course if someone was from Pakistan, they might need to defend their Government Story.

In the USA, we do not have to defend the Pakistan Government Story, or the US Government Story.

He was not defending Pakistani Government.....
He told truth what had done in Naltar....
Incident occur due to technical fault in the engine of helicopter..

No he was not, he was making an claim that cannot be supported with facts - only with belief. 

Nobody that had not examined the engine would be able to say for sure.   And the stories are not inconsistent; the government could claim it was a "technical fault" and the "technical fault" could have been sabotage.  This is really a silly thing to argue over.

By contrast, people seem free to criticize the US government and place the conspiracy theory of the 911 on them, while ignoring all the facts.

Ridiculous.


We are talking about Helicopter crash in Pakistan, why you are comapring it with 9/11..It is a seperate issue and Government claim what actually happened, If you have some proof that this crash was a terror attack then give us..?
I do not have to prove that the crash was a terror attack.

I only point out that you actually know NOTHING about the cause of the crash - you are only repeating what your government told you.

By contrast with 911 we know a great deal.  Things that we call "Facts."  Like for example, planes flew into towers.  Muslims claimed responsibility for planes flying into towers. 

If you have any FACTS about your helicopter crash, please provide them.


Everyone from Pakistan told that this was a Technical fault, If you don't have proof then accept the reason and ifyou have proof then argue here. I gave you the facts in previous posts, i told you what aizaz chaudary and other army person said on this incident..


Title: Re: Pakistan helicopter crash kills foreign diplomats
Post by: camelson on July 07, 2015, 06:55:59 PM
Yeah i got your point and this was not a terrorist attack, this was just due to failure of engine or some technical fault..And yes muslims were not behind 9/11.

Still, I am not finding the Pakistani army version of the events 100% believable. Since most of the passengers were VIPs, they must have conducted the necessary security checks and maintenance inspections before the takeoff.

BTW, I don't know why so many people are mentioning 9/11 here. There is no connection between the two events. That said, all of the perpetrators in that attack were Muslims, although I am not that sure about the masterminds.

Military spokesman Maj Gen Asim Bajwa that this incident was occurs due to technical fault. He said there is a fault in their engine or due to engine failure..
And yes there is no connection between 9/11 and this event of helicopter's crash in Naltar Pakistan.

I am from Pakistan and This crash was occured due to technical fault...
Engine Fails due to technical fault and helicopter crash on a school near Naltar...
This was told by Army person on Pakistani Media.....

Th


Aizaz Chaudhry, the top official at the Pakistani Ministry of Foreign Affairs, said the crash was caused by a mechanical failure, 
http://www.wsj.com/articles/pakistan-military-helicopter-carrying-foreigners-crashes-1431073427

Of course if someone was from Pakistan, they might need to defend their Government Story.

In the USA, we do not have to defend the Pakistan Government Story, or the US Government Story.

He was not defending Pakistani Government.....
He told truth what had done in Naltar....
Incident occur due to technical fault in the engine of helicopter..

No he was not, he was making an claim that cannot be supported with facts - only with belief. 

Nobody that had not examined the engine would be able to say for sure.   And the stories are not inconsistent; the government could claim it was a "technical fault" and the "technical fault" could have been sabotage.  This is really a silly thing to argue over.

By contrast, people seem free to criticize the US government and place the conspiracy theory of the 911 on them, while ignoring all the facts.

Ridiculous.


We are talking about Helicopter crash in Pakistan, why you are comapring it with 9/11..It is a seperate issue and Government claim what actually happened, If you have some proof that this crash was a terror attack then give us..?
I do not have to prove that the crash was a terror attack.

I only point out that you actually know NOTHING about the cause of the crash - you are only repeating what your government told you.

By contrast with 911 we know a great deal.  Things that we call "Facts."  Like for example, planes flew into towers.  Muslims claimed responsibility for planes flying into towers. 

If you have any FACTS about your helicopter crash, please provide them.


Everyone from Pakistan told that this was a Technical fault, If you don't have proof then accept the reason and ifyou have proof then argue here. I gave you the facts in previous posts, i told you what aizaz chaudary and other army person said on this incident..

I thought the same, that its the technical issue, if it was a Terror attack then until now, then they should have take its responsibility that we did that attack. You know after each terror attack, terrorist take its responsibility. But no news on that yet. Secondly it is clearly said by army personnel that this incident is due to the Engine failure.


Title: Re: Pakistan helicopter crash kills foreign diplomats
Post by: Spendulus on July 07, 2015, 09:08:05 PM
Yeah i got your point and this was not a terrorist attack, this was just due to failure of engine or some technical fault..And yes muslims were not behind 9/11.

Still, I am not finding the Pakistani army version of the events 100% believable. Since most of the passengers were VIPs, they must have conducted the necessary security checks and maintenance inspections before the takeoff.

BTW, I don't know why so many people are mentioning 9/11 here. There is no connection between the two events. That said, all of the perpetrators in that attack were Muslims, although I am not that sure about the masterminds.

Military spokesman Maj Gen Asim Bajwa that this incident was occurs due to technical fault. He said there is a fault in their engine or due to engine failure..
And yes there is no connection between 9/11 and this event of helicopter's crash in Naltar Pakistan.

I am from Pakistan and This crash was occured due to technical fault...
Engine Fails due to technical fault and helicopter crash on a school near Naltar...
This was told by Army person on Pakistani Media.....

Th


Aizaz Chaudhry, the top official at the Pakistani Ministry of Foreign Affairs, said the crash was caused by a mechanical failure,  
http://www.wsj.com/articles/pakistan-military-helicopter-carrying-foreigners-crashes-1431073427

Of course if someone was from Pakistan, they might need to defend their Government Story.

In the USA, we do not have to defend the Pakistan Government Story, or the US Government Story.

He was not defending Pakistani Government.....
He told truth what had done in Naltar....
Incident occur due to technical fault in the engine of helicopter..

No he was not, he was making an claim that cannot be supported with facts - only with belief.  

Nobody that had not examined the engine would be able to say for sure.   And the stories are not inconsistent; the government could claim it was a "technical fault" and the "technical fault" could have been sabotage.  This is really a silly thing to argue over.

By contrast, people seem free to criticize the US government and place the conspiracy theory of the 911 on them, while ignoring all the facts.

Ridiculous.


We are talking about Helicopter crash in Pakistan, why you are comapring it with 9/11..It is a seperate issue and Government claim what actually happened, If you have some proof that this crash was a terror attack then give us..?
I do not have to prove that the crash was a terror attack.

I only point out that you actually know NOTHING about the cause of the crash - you are only repeating what your government told you.

By contrast with 911 we know a great deal.  Things that we call "Facts."  Like for example, planes flew into towers.  Muslims claimed responsibility for planes flying into towers.  

If you have any FACTS about your helicopter crash, please provide them.


Everyone from Pakistan told that this was a Technical fault, If you don't have proof then accept the reason and ifyou have proof then argue here. I gave you the facts in previous posts, i told you what aizaz chaudary and other army person said on this incident..

I thought the same, that its the technical issue, if it was a Terror attack then until now, then they should have take its responsibility that we did that attack. You know after each terror attack, terrorist take its responsibility. But no news on that yet. Secondly it is clearly said by army personnel that this incident is due to the Engine failure.
Following your logic, if US Government says Al Queda did 911 and Al Queda says they did 911, then this is strong proof.

But these guys want to argue Jews did 911 contrary to the facts.  And the US Government was in with them.  What utter bullshit.

And then there is this....terrorists claiming responsibility....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/11591630/Helicopter-carrying-foreign-diplomats-crashes-in-Pakistan-killing-two-ambassadors.html


Title: Re: Pakistan helicopter crash kills foreign diplomats
Post by: Omikifuse on July 07, 2015, 11:11:28 PM
If was a terror attack, why no one claimed responsibility for the attack ???
Any terror group want everyone know about their deeds, and even other people's deeds when no one claim the responsibility


Title: Re: Pakistan helicopter crash kills foreign diplomats
Post by: Spendulus on July 07, 2015, 11:31:19 PM
If was a terror attack, why no one claimed responsibility for the attack ???
Any terror group want everyone know about their deeds, and even other people's deeds when no one claim the responsibility
A MUCH BETTER QUESTION...

Since there WAS a terror group claim responsibility, why do people posting on this thread deny that?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/11591630/Helicopter-carrying-foreign-diplomats-crashes-in-Pakistan-killing-two-ambassadors.html

 Taliban terrorists on Friday claimed responsibility for the crash of a Pakistan Army helicopter in which two foreign ambassadors were among seven killed.

The group said one of its special forces units had shot it down in an attempt to assassinate the country’s prime minister Nawaz Sharif, who was travelling in another aircraft at the time.

“We were planning to target [prime minister] Nawaz Sharif but we missed him. TTP [Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan] used an anti-aircraft gun and shot down the MI-17 helicopter which killed the pilots and several foreign ambassadors,” said Mohammad Khorasani, a Taliban spokesman, in a statement released shortly after the incident.


Title: Re: Pakistan helicopter crash kills foreign diplomats
Post by: GregH37 on July 11, 2015, 02:19:29 PM
If was a terror attack, why no one claimed responsibility for the attack ???
Any terror group want everyone know about their deeds, and even other people's deeds when no one claim the responsibility
A MUCH BETTER QUESTION...

Since there WAS a terror group claim responsibility, why do people posting on this thread deny that?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/11591630/Helicopter-carrying-foreign-diplomats-crashes-in-Pakistan-killing-two-ambassadors.html

 Taliban terrorists on Friday claimed responsibility for the crash of a Pakistan Army helicopter in which two foreign ambassadors were among seven killed.

The group said one of its special forces units had shot it down in an attempt to assassinate the country’s prime minister Nawaz Sharif, who was travelling in another aircraft at the time.

“We were planning to target [prime minister] Nawaz Sharif but we missed him. TTP [Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan] used an anti-aircraft gun and shot down the MI-17 helicopter which killed the pilots and several foreign ambassadors,” said Mohammad Khorasani, a Taliban spokesman, in a statement released shortly after the incident.


On the other hand Pakistani government and generals of Pakistan army claimed that this attack was due to technical fault and Talibans accept the attack was done by him just to threaten the people....


Title: Re: Pakistan helicopter crash kills foreign diplomats
Post by: Spendulus on July 12, 2015, 05:43:55 AM
If was a terror attack, why no one claimed responsibility for the attack ???
Any terror group want everyone know about their deeds, and even other people's deeds when no one claim the responsibility
A MUCH BETTER QUESTION...

Since there WAS a terror group claim responsibility, why do people posting on this thread deny that?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/11591630/Helicopter-carrying-foreign-diplomats-crashes-in-Pakistan-killing-two-ambassadors.html

 Taliban terrorists on Friday claimed responsibility for the crash of a Pakistan Army helicopter in which two foreign ambassadors were among seven killed.

The group said one of its special forces units had shot it down in an attempt to assassinate the country’s prime minister Nawaz Sharif, who was travelling in another aircraft at the time.

“We were planning to target [prime minister] Nawaz Sharif but we missed him. TTP [Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan] used an anti-aircraft gun and shot down the MI-17 helicopter which killed the pilots and several foreign ambassadors,” said Mohammad Khorasani, a Taliban spokesman, in a statement released shortly after the incident.


On the other hand Pakistani government and generals of Pakistan army claimed that this attack was due to technical fault and Talibans accept the attack was done by him just to threaten the people....

I repeat again -

Since there WAS a terror group claim responsibility, why do people posting on this thread deny that?


I have to bring the facts up which you already knew but did not mention.

Why?  Is someone telling you what to write and post and what to not say?