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Economy => Speculation => Topic started by: hprna on May 18, 2015, 07:18:13 AM

Title: KncMiner XBT: 285 BTC traded at 285.38$ !
Post by: hprna on May 18, 2015, 07:18:13 AM

1 XBT = 0.005 BTC
1 SEK = 0.115821 USD
Turnover = BTC volume * 11.xx (price per trade in SEK) * 200 (1 BTC = 200 XBT)
http://www.nasdaqomxnordic.com/etp/etn/etninfo?Instrument=SSE109538 link2 (https://www.avanza.se/borshandlade-produkter/certifikat-torg/om-certifikatet.html/563966/bitcoin-xbt) link3 (http://www.netfonds.se/quotes/ppaper.php?paper=BITCOIN-XBT.ST) link4 (http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/COINXBT:SS)
Fullname Last Turnover High Low Updated (CET)
Bitcoin Tracker One XBT Provider 12.32 705,024 (285 BTC) 12.51 12.28 21:00:28

12.32 SEK * 0.115821 USD / 0.005 = 285.38$ per BTC
Volume is too low, KncMiner gave up and sell mined coins on bitstamp: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1081070.0
GBTC is not doing well now, low bid price, low trades volume. http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/GBTC/quote

Title: Re: Information about KncMiner XBT
Post by: phoenix1 on May 18, 2015, 07:42:05 AM

Quote from: chmod755 on May 18, 2015, 07:26:49 AM

There is some volume now

Turnover: 235,108
Updated (CET) 09:16:39

https://i.imgflip.com/lnfha.jpg (https://imgflip.com/i/lnfha) (https://imgflip.com/memegenerator)

EDIT : Sorry for confusion ... only 121 BTC. Shame it was wrong :-\
Not a bad start tho ...

Title: Re: Information about KncMiner XBT
Post by: hprna on May 18, 2015, 07:52:56 AM

Quote from: chmod755 on May 18, 2015, 07:50:20 AM

I also thought it's the volume in notes, but it's SEK

243,917 / 9.69 = 25172.033023736 notes

25172 * 0.005 = 125.86 BTC

confirmed? it's more like volume to me.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 1219 BTC traded at 235.99$
Post by: mladen00 on May 18, 2015, 07:54:36 AM

Quote from: hprna on May 18, 2015, 07:52:56 AM

Quote from: chmod755 on May 18, 2015, 07:50:20 AM

I also thought it's the volume in notes, but it's SEK

243,917 / 9.69 = 25172.033023736 notes

25172 * 0.005 = 125.86 BTC

confirmed?

confirmed

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 1219 BTC traded at 235.99$
Post by: gotmilk_ on May 18, 2015, 08:06:09 AM

So who is able to place first asks there? KNC?

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 1219 BTC traded at 235.99$
Post by: hprna on May 18, 2015, 08:11:54 AM

Quote from: gotmilk_ on May 18, 2015, 08:06:09 AM

So who is able to place first asks there? KNC?

yep, they are selling.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 171 BTC traded at 235.99$
Post by: hprna on May 18, 2015, 08:40:06 AM

GBTC 232 BTC volume is more than XBT 171 BTC so far.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 305 BTC traded at 235.74$
Post by: gotmilk_ on May 18, 2015, 09:34:21 AM

304btc volume in first 2.5h... 6h until market closing. Can it go above 1000btc today?

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 305 BTC traded at 235.74$
Post by: phoenix1 on May 18, 2015, 09:47:31 AM

Quote from: gotmilk_ on May 18, 2015, 09:34:21 AM

304btc volume in first 2.5h... 6h until market closing. Can it go above 1000btc today?

If we get to 1200, I can post the gif for real this time :D

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 305 BTC traded at 235.74$
Post by: gotmilk_ on May 18, 2015, 09:52:29 AM

Quote from: chmod755 on May 18, 2015, 09:44:34 AM

Quote from: gotmilk_ on May 18, 2015, 09:34:21 AM

304btc volume in first 2.5h... 6h until market closing. Can it go above 1000btc today?

It's possible, but the order book doesn't have many offers. However some people on GBTC paid much more than that.

Yeah... On the other hand, one 150btc buy can clear up all the asks :)

I think we are seeing some testing trading right now, with some play money.

Quote from: phoenix1 on May 18, 2015, 09:47:31 AM

Quote from: gotmilk_ on May 18, 2015, 09:34:21 AM

304btc volume in first 2.5h... 6h until market closing. Can it go above 1000btc today?

If we get to 1200, I can post the gif for real this time :D

If not today, tomorrow ;D

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 325 BTC traded at 235.26$
Post by: elux on May 18, 2015, 10:08:41 AM

Someone just bought 50000 shares.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 325 BTC traded at 235.26$
Post by: hprna on May 18, 2015, 10:21:14 AM

Quote from: elux on May 18, 2015, 10:08:41 AM

Someone just bought 50000 shares.

good right in time, where did you see it?

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 325 BTC traded at 235.26$
Post by: gotmilk_ on May 18, 2015, 10:25:39 AM

Quote from: hprna on May 18, 2015, 10:21:14 AM

Quote from: elux on May 18, 2015, 10:08:41 AM

Someone just bought 50000 shares.

good right in time, where did you see it?

http://www.netfonds.se/quotes/ppaper.php?paper=BITCOIN-XBT.ST

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 325 BTC traded at 235.26$
Post by: hprna on May 18, 2015, 10:27:16 AM

Quote from: gotmilk_ on May 18, 2015, 10:25:39 AM

Quote from: hprna on May 18, 2015, 10:21:14 AM

Quote from: elux on May 18, 2015, 10:08:41 AM

Someone just bought 50000 shares.

good right in time, where did you see it?

http://www.netfonds.se/quotes/ppaper.php?paper=BITCOIN-XBT.ST

nope, netfonds.se has a 15 mins delay. elux got it right in real time.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 325 BTC traded at 235.26$
Post by: gotmilk_ on May 18, 2015, 10:30:09 AM

Quote from: hprna on May 18, 2015, 10:27:16 AM

Quote from: gotmilk_ on May 18, 2015, 10:25:39 AM

Quote from: hprna on May 18, 2015, 10:21:14 AM

Quote from: elux on May 18, 2015, 10:08:41 AM

Someone just bought 50000 shares.

good right in time, where did you see it?

http://www.netfonds.se/quotes/ppaper.php?paper=BITCOIN-XBT.ST

nope, netfonds.se has a 15 mins delay. elux got it right in real time.

No?

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 712 BTC traded at 235.26$
Post by: tarmi on May 18, 2015, 10:54:34 AM

such volume.

wow.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 851 BTC traded at 235.26$
Post by: Sitarow on May 18, 2015, 01:07:34 PM

Quote from: hprna on May 18, 2015, 07:18:13 AM

1 XBT = 0.005 BTC
1 SEK = 0.121771 USD
Turnover = BTC volume * 9.xx (price per trade in SEK) * 200 (1 BTC = 200 XBT)
http://www.nasdaqomxnordic.com/etp/etn/etninfo?Instrument=SSE109538
Fullname Last Turnover % High Low Updated (CET)
Bitcoin Tracker One XBT Provider 9.66 1648,073(851 BTC) 0 9.69 9.65 12:23:55

9.66 SEK * 0.121771 USD / 0.005 = 235.26$ per BTC
https://www.avanza.se/borshandlade-produkter/certifikat-torg/om-certifikatet.html/563966/bitcoin-xbt
http://www.netfonds.se/quotes/ppaper.php?paper=BITCOIN-XBT.ST
http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/GBTC/quote
GBTC is not doing well now, lower bid price at 38$ only, low trades volume 2,320 stocks only.

Many have the sentiment that bitlicence will have a greater effect on prices than either of these two.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 851 BTC traded at 235.26$
Post by: JorgeStolfi on May 18, 2015, 01:28:25 PM

Posted on another thread:

Quote from: Norway on May 18, 2015, 01:12:57 PM

The cool thing about this ETN is that there is no limit of "matured shares". The issuer buys more real bitcoin on exchanges if the players want more ETNs. No limits on either bid or ask side!

Is this correct? I though that I had seen mention of a maturation time for new notes, too. Perhaps only for redemption (give back notes to XBT Provider in exchange for the real BTC)?

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 851 BTC traded at 235.26$
Post by: Fiat_Hodler on May 18, 2015, 01:50:42 PM

wow volume is impressive.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 851 BTC traded at 235.26$
Post by: hector3115 on May 18, 2015, 02:06:29 PM

Looks like a big seller, most likely KNC, sat right at 9.73/XBT all day on the ask. Which pretty much capped the price. Interesting why they wouldn't try to get some sort of BTC premium like GBTC was getting.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 851 BTC traded at 235.26$
Post by: Shiver on May 18, 2015, 02:25:49 PM

So if the Volume equates to more than the BTC mined per day, does that mean we can put to bed the idea of the market having to soak up 3600 coins a day?

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 851 BTC traded at 235.26$
Post by: JorgeStolfi on May 18, 2015, 02:29:37 PM

Quote from: hector3115 on May 18, 2015, 02:06:29 PM

Perhaps because arbitrage is possible with these notes, but not with BIT shares?

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 851 BTC traded at 235.26$
Post by: elux on May 18, 2015, 02:30:00 PM

Quote from: hector3115 on May 18, 2015, 02:06:29 PM

Looks like a big seller, most likely KNC, sat right at 9.73/XBT all day on the ask. Which pretty much capped the price.
Interesting why they wouldn't try to get some sort of BTC premium like GBTC was getting.

The ETN is supposed to track the value of the underlying asset (Bitcoin).

I tried it today...

Quote from: elux on May 18, 2015, 08:47:38 AM

XBT Provider ETN (http://xbtprovider.com/lang_en) is live and listed on NASDAQ OMX Stockholm as of today.

I just bought me a Bitcoin, via my brokerage account,
with one click, with no signup, with no delay.

:D :o ;D

Pretty sweet.

200 shares of XBT tracker ≈ one Bitcoin.

Some of the best things about this:

There's no hassle and worry about security.

It's instant.

It tracks the price faithfully.

I'd say this is easily the best way to get exposure to Bitcoin.

So, yeah. I'll definitely recommend this to people.

The only "bad" thing is... The Winklewii got scooped. Again. :D

10/10

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 851 BTC traded at 235.26$
Post by: JorgeStolfi on May 18, 2015, 02:34:32 PM

Quote from: elux on May 18, 2015, 02:30:00 PM

It tracks the price faithfully.

Well, minus the fee (2.5 %/year, compounded).

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 851 BTC traded at 235.26$
Post by: klee on May 18, 2015, 03:14:08 PM

Quote from: elux on May 18, 2015, 02:30:00 PM

Quote from: hector3115 on May 18, 2015, 02:06:29 PM

Looks like a big seller, most likely KNC, sat right at 9.73/XBT all day on the ask. Which pretty much capped the price.
Interesting why they wouldn't try to get some sort of BTC premium like GBTC was getting.

The ETN is supposed to track the value of the underlying asset (Bitcoin).

I tried it today...

Quote from: elux on May 18, 2015, 08:47:38 AM

Them + Lawsky = Murican way

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 851 BTC traded at 235.26$
Post by: elux on May 18, 2015, 03:16:07 PM

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on May 18, 2015, 02:34:32 PM

Quote from: elux on May 18, 2015, 02:30:00 PM

It tracks the price faithfully.

Well, minus the fee (2.5 %/year, compounded).

It's still a good trade-off for anyone who values their time.

No worrying about getting a dedicated computer & paperwallet & setting up m-of-n keys, in multiple physical locations.

The most important thing is to get in before 21. Inc starts shipping hardware wallets in millions of Qualcomm and Intel consumer devices.

I cried about 10-15% fees when Bitcoin was trading in the single digits.

At the bottom of the hype cycle.

But I got in. And it turns out the most important thing was getting in.

Getting Bitcoins was hard. Still is. Most people used to give up somewhere along the way.

This open the door for millions of people. Bitcoin exposure with a click.

The significance of the XBT Provider ETN will only become apparent with time.

It's a liquidity sink. Draining supply out of the market. And Bitcoins are scarce. So...

Stolfi, you should should get some. :)

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 851 BTC traded at 235.26$
Post by: Sitarow on May 18, 2015, 03:16:22 PM

http://www.netfonds.se/quotes/tradelog.php?paper=BITCOIN-XBT.ST

AVA = Avanza Bank AB (http://www.netfonds.se/quotes/broker.php?broker=AVA)
NON = Nordnet Bank AB (http://www.netfonds.se/quotes/broker.php?broker=NON)

1Trades in Bitcoin Tracker One XBT Provider (Bitcoin XBT)
Volume total:   189733
Last updated: Monday, May 18 17:00

Kl   Volume   Course   Source   Buy   Sell
16:43:25   20       9.71   Autostrade   AVA   NON
16:35:19   10       9.71   Autostrade   AVA   NON
16:20:52   2       9.71   Autostrade   AVA   NON
16:12:29   20       9.69   Autostrade   NON   AVA
16:10:14   1000       9.71   Autostrade   AVA   NON
16:06:45   100       9.72   Autostrade   AVA   NON
16:04:06   200       9.72   Autostrade   AVA   NON
15:55:27   135       9.72   Autostrade   NON   NON
15:54:40   1000       9.72   Autostrade   NON   NON
15:46:13   200       9.72   Autostrade   AVA   NON
15:29:11   500       9.71   Autostrade   AVA   NON
15:27:37   2500       9.71   Autostrade   AVA   NON
15:27:12   1000       9.71   Autostrade   AVA   NON
15:26:45   200       9.71   Autostrade   AVA   NON
14:54:52   1063       9.70   Autostrade   NON   NON
14:46:45   1000       9.72   Autostrade   NDS   NON
14:44:04   92       9.72   Autostrade   NON   NON
14:43:05   100       9.72   Autostrade   AVA   NON
14:40:39   1000       9.72   Autostrade   AVA   NON
14:38:32   3000       9.72   Autostrade   AVA   NON
14:38:01   500       9.71   Autostrade   NON   NON
14:37:54   230       9.72   Autostrade   AVA   NON
14:29:06   100       9.73   Autostrade   AVA   NON
14:26:47   100       9.73   Autostrade   NON   NON
14:21:11   2000       9.73   Autostrade   NON   NON
14:19:20   100       9.73   Autostrade   AVA   NON
14:03:23   1000       9.73   Autostrade   AVA   NON
13:57:19   16       9.72   Autostrade   AVA   NON
13:51:10   500       9.72   Autostrade   SWB   NON
13:43:24   60       9.72   Autostrade   NON   NON
13:41:25   100       9.72   Autostrade   AVA   NON
13:36:56   437       9.70   Autostrade   NON   MGF
13:36:39   1100       9.70   Autostrade   NON   MGF
13:35:29   10       9.70   Autostrade   AVA   MGF
13:31:13   20       9.70   Autostrade   AVA   NON
13:22:26   33       9.66   Autostrade   NDS   NON
13:21:41   24967       9.66   Autostrade   NDS   NON
13:21:41   1033       9.66   Autostrade   SWB   NON
13:15:10   200       9.67   Autostrade   NON   NON
13:12:45   500       9.67   Autostrade   NON   NON
13:08:27   500       9.67   Autostrade   NON   NON
13:01:38   500       9.69   Autostrade   AVA   MGF
12:53:05   50       9.67   Autostrade   AVA   NON
12:38:57   20       9.68   Autostrade   AVA   NON
12:35:29   100       9.66   Autostrade   NON   AVA
12:32:37   42       9.67   Autostrade   NON   NON
12:29:25   10000       9.67   Autostrade   AVA   NON
12:26:22   1095       9.67   Autostrade   NON   NON
12:21:38   7       9.67   Autostrade   AVA   NON
12:21:38   10000       9.67   Autostrade   NON   NON
12:20:16   100       9.69   Autostrade   AVA   MGF
12:18:41   100       9.69   Autostrade   AVA   MGF
12:13:45   1000       9.68   Autostrade   AVA   NON
12:03:58   50000       9.68   Autostrade   NDS   NON
11:57:00   3000       9.69   Autostrade   NON   NON
11:56:19   1000       9.68   Autostrade   NON   NON
11:43:31   200       9.68   Autostrade   AVA   NON
11:39:06   702       9.67   Autostrade   AVA   NON
11:34:57   2000       9.66   Autostrade   AVA   NON
11:34:57   100       9.66   Autostrade   NON   NON
11:29:10   1000       9.66   Autostrade   AVA   NON
11:26:17   100       9.68   Autostrade   NON   NON
11:24:32   100       9.68   Autostrade   NON   NON
11:21:09   100       9.68   Autostrade   AVA   NON
11:20:55   100       9.68   Autostrade   AVA   NON
11:19:15   100       9.68   Autostrade   AVA   NON
11:19:08   517       9.68   Autostrade   AVA   NON
11:14:29   100       9.67   Autostrade   SBN   NON
11:08:14   170       9.67   Autostrade   NON   NON
11:06:53   2000       9.68   Autostrade   AVA   NON
11:04:14   100       9.68   Autostrade   NON   NON
10:59:10   5, 000       9.68   Autostrade   CAD   NON
10:57:23   50       9.68   Autostrade   AVA   NON
10:52:58   100       9.68   Autostrade   AVA   NON
10:51:52   1000       9.68   Autostrade   NON   NON
10:47:49   199       9.68   Autostrade   NON   NON
10:47:13   20       9.68   Autostrade   AVA   NON
10:46:35   10000       9.68   Autostrade   NDS   NON
10:34:37   200       9.68   Autostrade   AVA   NON
10:33:59   1000       9.68   Autostrade   AVA   NON
10:33:35   100       9.68   Autostrade   AVA   NON
10:29:27   5150       9.66   Autostrade   NON   NON
10:29:23   1000       9.67   Autostrade   AVA   NON
10:28:30   500       9.68   Autostrade   AVA   NON
10:26:40   100       9.68   Autostrade   AVA   NON
10:18:17   300       9.68   Autostrade   NON   NON
10:17:01   5, 000       9.68   Autostrade   NON   NON
10:10:06   50       9.69   Autostrade   AVA   MGF
10:09:22   41       9.68   Autostrade   AVA   NON
10:02:54   100       9.69   Autostrade   AVA   MGF
9:49:00   500       9.69   Autostrade   AVA   MGF
9:42:18   200       9.69   Autostrade   NON   NON
9:40:42   300       9.69   Autostrade   AVA   MGF
9:37:27   100       9.69   Autostrade   AVA   MGF
9:35:45   1500       9.69   Autostrade   AVA   MGF
9:33:24   1000       9.69   Autostrade   AVA   MGF
9:30:41   100       9.69   Autostrade   NON   MGF
9:25:12   800       9.69   Autostrade   NON   MGF
9:19:40   9       9.69   Autostrade   AVA   MGF
9:16:39   5, 000       9.69   Autostrade   NON   MGF
9:16:35   4       9.69   Autostrade   NON   MGF
9:14:52   30       9.69   Autostrade   AVA   MGF
9:10:41   500       9.69   Autostrade   AVA   MGF
9:05:48   10000       9.69   Autostrade   AVA   MGF
9:04:56   300       9.69   Autostrade   AVA   MGF
9:04:17   500       9.69   Autostrade   AVA   MGF
9:04:13   550       9.69   Autostrade   NON   MGF
9:04:12   10       9.69   Autostrade   AVA   MGF
9:01:45   500       9.69   Autostrade   AVA   MGF
9:01:37   20       9.69   Autostrade   AVA   MGF
9:00:30   2525       9.69   Autostrade   NON   MGF
9:00:30   15       9.69   Autostrade   AVA   MGF
9:00:30   1000       9.69   Autostrade   AVA   MGF
9:00:30   700       9.69   Autostrade   NON   MGF
9:00:30   509       9.69   Autostrade   AVA   MGF
9:00:30   400       9.69   Autostrade   AVA   MGF
9:00:30   150       9.69   Autostrade   NON   MGF
9:00:30   350       9.69   Autostrade   NON   MGF
9:00:30   1200       9.69   Autostrade   AVA   MGF

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 851 BTC traded at 235.26$
Post by: gotmilk_ on May 18, 2015, 04:29:25 PM

Where can we see how many notes is currently in circulation?

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 851 BTC traded at 235.26$
Post by: Fiat_Hodler on May 19, 2015, 07:21:01 AM

Bargain prices. Putting GBTC out of business since 2015 ;D

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 851 BTC traded at 235.26$
Post by: Xialla on May 19, 2015, 07:36:24 AM

once I noticed KFCminer in OP, I slowly start crying and hitting hands to desk..don't do this again please.)

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 851 BTC traded at 235.26$
Post by: klee on May 19, 2015, 08:00:51 AM

Demand is clearly in control in sharp contrast to the GBTC.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 851 BTC traded at 235.26$
Post by: Searing on May 19, 2015, 08:26:17 AM

Quote from: Xialla on May 19, 2015, 07:36:24 AM

once I noticed KFCminer in OP, I slowly start crying and hitting hands to desk..don't do this again please.)

yep they are gonna take everyones money ..not just me and my no refund no roi 1st batch 3 month late 1st batch Titan 300mh....yep Sam Cole wants ALL THE
MONEY for knc......oh just to make you cry more (and destroy your keyboard) they will likely announce any day their PRIVATE IPO 16nm data hall in Iceland going
LIVE... Sam Cole of KNCminer has already said by end of 2016 they want to control 40% of ALL bitcoin mining

sheesh.......what a company went from nun (2013) to porn star (2014) for the money ...quicker then your hat could hit the floor......

gonna really hate hearing about these guys now and in the future....(ack!)

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 851 BTC traded at 235.26$
Post by: GA on May 19, 2015, 08:36:15 AM

Searing: reference for that Sam Cole quote please? It's really boring to read you repeating that mantra again and again on any forum you can find.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 851 BTC traded at 235.26$
Post by: Searing on May 19, 2015, 08:50:53 AM

Quote from: GA on May 19, 2015, 08:36:15 AM

Searing: reference for that Sam Cole quote please? It's really boring to read you repeating that mantra again and again on any forum you can find.

here is the 20% of all mining quote before the 16nm tape out was announced...will continue to look for the other interview where he "up'd' the stakes to 40%
with the big IPO infux of $$$ this last spring

http://bitcoinist.net/knc-miners-announces-20mw-data-center-near-the-arctic-circle-after-turning-backs-on-their-customers/

again this was for the 1st round of IPO

http://www.moneyweb.co.za/uncategorized/bitcoin-miner-ditches-clients-to-chase-2bn-coding/

I"m sure someplace they up'd it for the 2nd round most recent IPO that is where I heard the 40% figure as the next goal

will continue to look ...maybe it was a 'translated from Swedish page' ah well good to have a goal

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 851 BTC traded at 235.26$
Post by: GA on May 19, 2015, 09:21:37 AM

So why are you repeating the 40%-thing, when he said 20%?

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 851 BTC traded at 235.26$
Post by: lyth0s on May 19, 2015, 09:26:20 AM

Anyone know what the trade volume was at the end of 5/18/15?

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 851 BTC traded at 235.26$
Post by: Searing on May 19, 2015, 09:35:02 AM

Quote from: GA on May 19, 2015, 09:21:37 AM

So why are you repeating the 40%-thing, when he said 20%?

the 20% was the 1st level round of IPO money

the 40% was quoted after the last round of IPO money..the bigger 2nd round of IPO money

now not sure if KNC is gonna cloud host anymore..but I'll find the link it was an interview
is what I remember and was a result of what bitfury wanted to control and Sam Cole
said this in the interview...

anyway will finally have the goal of looking thru my bookmarks I never sort to find this

unless it disappeared with the knc forum and cloud mining pages

whatever KNC is determined to have a piece of pie in a lot

wallets
cloud hosting
IPO of 20% or more of bitcoin mining
the new stock traded on swedish stock exhchange mostly backed by KNC money
further IPO development $$$ for next gen after 16nm data halls

anyway I'll dig it up if it still is out there as an interview...I just can't remember if
it was translated or not and/or if it included cloud hashing (which may not even be an option of the IPO anymore)

anyway old Sam Cole and KNC seems to not be in any kind of trouble of any kind bitcoin wise.....heh :)

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 851 BTC traded at 235.26$
Post by: GA on May 19, 2015, 10:25:21 AM

Quote from: Searing on May 19, 2015, 09:35:02 AM

Quote from: GA on May 19, 2015, 09:21:37 AM

So why are you repeating the 40%-thing, when he said 20%?

the 20% was the 1st level round of IPO money

the 40% was quoted after the last round of IPO money..the bigger 2nd round of IPO money

Well, as an investor I'm interested in facts, not made-up statements, so a reference/source of some kind would be appreciated, otherwise I'd say you're just trolling. And in any case; all large miners have goals, that doesn't mean they can just "switch on" any desirable hashrate, it's a race - remember.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 851 BTC traded at 235.26$
Post by: Kupsi on May 19, 2015, 10:40:32 AM

Quote from: lyth0s on May 19, 2015, 09:26:20 AM

Anyone know what the trade volume was at the end of 5/18/15?

189,783 shares.

~ 948,9 BTC.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 398 BTC traded at 232.6$
Post by: hprna on May 19, 2015, 01:43:04 PM

day 1 history : 949 BTC (189783 shares) traded at 232.84$
day 2 updated

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 398 BTC traded at 232.6$
Post by: arivar on May 19, 2015, 02:29:44 PM

Why the hell nasdaq would put so many google adds on their website ?

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 546 BTC traded at 232.6$, 50% volume less than Yersterday
Post by: BitMEXdotcom on May 19, 2015, 11:54:43 PM

Please read Synthetic Bitcoin Report (https://blog.bitmex.com/synthetic-bitcoin-report-may-20/) for a daily discussion of GBTC and XBT ETN.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 851 BTC traded at 235.26$
Post by: Searing on May 20, 2015, 09:05:37 AM

Quote from: GA on May 19, 2015, 10:25:21 AM

Quote from: Searing on May 19, 2015, 09:35:02 AM

Quote from: GA on May 19, 2015, 09:21:37 AM

So why are you repeating the 40%-thing, when he said 20%?

the 20% was the 1st level round of IPO money

the 40% was quoted after the last round of IPO money..the bigger 2nd round of IPO money

we will see he said 20% of more still looking for the link he may have also included his cloud hashing (now i think defunct due to 2nd round of IPO money..again I think) ...so we will see
but with the Swedish stock investment the 16nm chip investment which he did say 20% or more of all bitcoin mining and the rest old Sam Cole is gonna go for as much as the pie as he can get on the backs of knc's slimy business practices....again imho

heh another quote you can look up on google ..."knc will only mine up to 5% of the network" heh ..... :)

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 546 BTC traded at 232.6$, 50% volume less than Yersterday
Post by: hprna on May 20, 2015, 09:13:10 AM

day 1 history : 949 BTC (189783 shares) traded at 232.84$
day 2 history : 546 BTC (109376 shares) traded at 232.6$
day 3 updated

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 131 BTC traded at 232.63$
Post by: lyth0s on May 20, 2015, 09:26:06 AM

Anyone know approximately how many bitcoins KNC Miner has in their possession to sell?

Edit: Through their miners or their miners + orders.

Edit #2: It looks like they have 7400 bitcoins in their possession and potentially 4000 bitcoins in the XBT fund so far.

Also they dump their coins on Bitstamp about 300-500 at a time (sometimes as high as 3000). But overall they are net accumulators of bitcoin.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 131 BTC traded at 232.63$
Post by: klee on May 20, 2015, 09:43:41 AM

Quote from: lyth0s on May 20, 2015, 09:26:06 AM

How many shares is this?

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 131 BTC traded at 232.63$
Post by: lyth0s on May 20, 2015, 09:51:46 AM

The 4000 bitcoins that they moved (and didn't sell) just prior to the XBT release would come out to 800,000 shares.

For the total of their 11,400 bitcoins they could have a total of 2,280,000 shares (if they put it all in XBT Provider).

Right now they mine 144 bitcoins a day, so if they can sell at least 28,800 shares per day on nasdaq, they can stop dumping on bitstamp. Which they are definitely surpasing that 28,800 shares/day right now.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 546 BTC traded at 232.6$, 50% volume less than Yersterday
Post by: JorgeStolfi on May 20, 2015, 10:45:42 AM

Quote from: hprna on May 20, 2015, 09:13:10 AM

day 1 history : 949 BTC (189783 shares) traded at 232.84$
day 2 history : 546 BTC (109376 shares) traded at 232.6$
day 3 updated

Beware that the SEK:USD exchange rate is changing quite a bit. It was ~8.22 SEK/USD on 2015-05-18,
but ~8.32 on 2015-05-19 and already ~8.35 today. So the USD/BTC price for yesterday is a bit lower.

http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=SEK&view=1W

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 131 BTC traded at 232.63$
Post by: Alley on May 20, 2015, 12:30:18 PM

So in the short term at least they won't be dumping coins every week anymore. Long term they might have to buy if this pace of volume keeps going for several months.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 131 BTC traded at 232.63$
Post by: JorgeStolfi on May 20, 2015, 05:51:32 PM

[ last updated on 2015-05-21 ]

Bitcoin Tracker One (BITCOIN-XBT) notes -- daily trading summary:


Date       ! SpN_LO ! SpN_HI !   VNOT !    VBTC !       VSEK !     SpN !  SpU !    UpB ! OBS 
-----------+--------+--------+--------+---------+------------+---------+------+--------+-----
2015-05-18 |   9.66 |   9.73 | 189783 | 948.915 | 1837195.92 | 9.68051 | 8.24 | 234.96 |     
2015-05-19 |   9.61 |   9.72 | 109376 | 546.880 | 1057572.27 | 9.66914 | 8.35 | 231.60 |     
2015-05-20 |   9.68 |   9.79 |  90988 | 454.940 |  886232.68 | 9.74011 | 8.35 | 233.30 |     
2015-05-21 |   9.74 |   9.79 | 135233 | 676.165 | 1319500.95 | 9.75724 | 8.32 | 234.55 |     
-----------+--------+--------+--------+---------+------------+---------+------+--------+-----

Data from the BITCOIN-XBT page at NetFonds.se (http://www.netfonds.se/quotes/tradelog.php?paper=BITCOIN-XBT.ST).

SpN_LO = Lowest price (SEK/note) in specified day.

SpN_HI = Highest price (SEK/note) in the specified day.

VNOT = Number of notes (shares) traded in day.

VBTC = Trade volume in BTC, ignoring fees = VNOT/200.

VSEK = Trade volume in SEK (sum over all trades of num of notes times price per note).

SpN = Average note price in SEK for that day = VSEK/VNOT.

SpU = Assumed SEK/USD currency exchange rate (typically from Google at end of that day).

UpB = Average implied USD/BTC price ignoring fees = SpN*200/SpU

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 131 BTC traded at 232.63$
Post by: lyth0s on May 20, 2015, 11:28:28 PM

Quote from: Alley on May 20, 2015, 12:30:18 PM

So in the short term at least they won't be dumping coins every week anymore. Long term they might have to buy if this pace of volume keeps going for several months.

Well they still have a total of 7400 coins that they could dump. But at least for now they can sell more than their daily mining amount on nasdaq and if the volume on nasadaq keeps up at its current pace they will either need to start moving their 7400 coins over to the ETN and/or start buying coins for the ETN.

If they sell 400BTC/day for the next 5 days they will need to move more BTC into the fund.

Their next usual dump day on bitstamp would be between 5/25/15 and 6/1/15 so we will see what they do around those times.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 455 BTC traded at 233.11$
Post by: gotmilk_ on May 21, 2015, 09:09:22 AM

Volume is picking up today 8)

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 851 BTC traded at 235.26$
Post by: 600watt on May 21, 2015, 09:45:52 AM

Quote from: Searing on May 19, 2015, 09:35:02 AM

Quote from: GA on May 19, 2015, 09:21:37 AM

So why are you repeating the 40%-thing, when he said 20%?

knc was welcomed to this forum with lots of allegations and even hatred. i always believed they would deliver their stuff, ordered myself early. in fact, i was happy to receive knc invoice no. 1, took a flight to stockholm and checked out their offices and met them personally. to me sam cole always seemed to be a good guy. he took good care of the early investors (the ones that took the most risk)
the company grew very fast and obviously some things went wrong with some deliveries.
but i really do not think that they had any bad intentions.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 851 BTC traded at 235.26$
Post by: Searing on May 21, 2015, 09:50:32 AM

Quote from: 600watt on May 21, 2015, 09:45:52 AM

Quote from: Searing on May 19, 2015, 09:35:02 AM

Quote from: GA on May 19, 2015, 09:21:37 AM

So why are you repeating the 40%-thing, when he said 20%?

2013 yep me too saturn/jupiter
2014 er not so much neptune/titan

catch up on 2014 on the knc asic thread here on bitcointalk

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 681 BTC traded at 235.95$
Post by: hprna on May 21, 2015, 05:03:39 PM

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 681 BTC traded at 235.95$
Post by: JorgeStolfi on May 21, 2015, 06:45:08 PM

Quote from: hprna on May 21, 2015, 05:03:39 PM

The SEK/USD exchange rate has been changing these days; if you take that into account, the implied bitcoin prices are a bit different. See my numbers here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1064294.msg11432432#msg11432432).

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 681 BTC traded at 235.95$
Post by: EuroTrash on May 21, 2015, 07:56:28 PM

Now I'm impressed at SEK/USD volatility.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 453 BTC traded at 237.21$
Post by: hprna on May 25, 2015, 04:53:10 PM

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 453 BTC traded at 237.21$
Post by: Searing on May 26, 2015, 07:11:22 AM

Quote from: hprna on May 25, 2015, 04:53:10 PM

thanks OP I appreciate and I'm sure others do ..the above.....work pop'ing this out each day :)

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 453 BTC traded at 237.21$
Post by: Fiat_Hodler on May 26, 2015, 01:39:35 PM

very impressive. just imagine what will happen when an ETF is opened in the USA... Shit gna hit the roof :P

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 756 BTC traded at 236.8$
Post by: hprna on May 26, 2015, 04:22:04 PM

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 453 BTC traded at 237.21$
Post by: Alley on May 26, 2015, 04:22:22 PM

4483 coins in 7 days. Not bad at all. Knc will probably have to start buying some coins off exchange in another week or so to keep backing the notes?

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 756 BTC traded at 236.8$
Post by: gotmilk_ on May 26, 2015, 05:28:36 PM

Still looking for number of notes in circulation... Shouldn't that be public?

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 756 BTC traded at 236.8$
Post by: Alley on May 26, 2015, 05:58:11 PM

I believe #5 translates to number certificates. So that's 100k coins. But that's not how many are in circulation. I assume how many they are willing to issue. But they also don't have 100k coins to back them. Yet.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 681 BTC traded at 235.95$
Post by: Natalia_AnatolioPAMM on May 26, 2015, 06:12:40 PM

Quote from: EuroTrash on May 21, 2015, 07:56:28 PM

Now I'm impressed at SEK/USD volatility.

yep, me too. Interesting topic

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 756 BTC traded at 236.8$
Post by: gotmilk_ on May 27, 2015, 08:44:59 AM

Nice volume in first hour and a half 8)

Quote from: chmod755 on May 26, 2015, 05:53:12 PM

Quote from: gotmilk_ on May 26, 2015, 05:28:36 PM

Still looking for number of notes in circulation... Shouldn't that be public?

I'm pretty sure it's 20,000,000 notes (I don't speak Swedish):

...

Source: http://xbtprovider.com/downloads/slutliga_villkor.pdf

Yeah, but I'm more interested how many notes is out there at the moment.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 756 BTC traded at 236.8$
Post by: johnyj on May 27, 2015, 09:19:37 AM

When will the physical delivery of bitcoin happen if I purchase this certificate?

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 756 BTC traded at 236.8$
Post by: Fiat_Hodler on May 27, 2015, 09:26:27 AM

dam . Buyers know that current prices are way too low to last for very long... Early adopters 2.0

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 756 BTC traded at 236.8$
Post by: johnyj on May 27, 2015, 09:27:13 AM

https://www.avanza.se/borshandlade-produkter/certifikat-torg/om-certifikatet.html/563966/bitcoin-xbt

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 756 BTC traded at 236.8$
Post by: JorgeStolfi on May 27, 2015, 01:44:43 PM

Quote from: chmod755 on May 27, 2015, 01:33:33 PM

New all-time high at 10.12 SEK

Current rates:
Sell: 10.14
Buy: 10.15

Beware that the Swedish crown (SEK) is losing value relative to the dollar, so the BTC:USD price implied by those trades is not increasing that much. It seems to be tracking the price on the exchanges, within a few dollars.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 756 BTC traded at 236.8$
Post by: Alley on May 27, 2015, 02:28:25 PM

Unlike gbtc, bitcoin tracker is tied to USD/btc value. Sek value is irrelevant. You can see on there website they average 3 exchanges to get the price.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 431 BTC traded at 236.1$
Post by: hprna on May 27, 2015, 04:35:57 PM

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 360 BTC traded at 237.7$ Volume All Time Low !
Post by: hprna on May 28, 2015, 04:58:47 PM

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 681 BTC traded at 235.95$
Post by: Natalia_AnatolioPAMM on May 28, 2015, 05:30:08 PM

Quote from: EuroTrash on May 21, 2015, 07:56:28 PM

Now I'm impressed at SEK/USD volatility.

i'm not even impressed, I'm shocked

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 681 BTC traded at 235.95$
Post by: chmod755 on May 28, 2015, 06:57:08 PM

Quote from: Natalia_AnatolioPAMM on May 28, 2015, 05:30:08 PM

Quote from: EuroTrash on May 21, 2015, 07:56:28 PM

Now I'm impressed at SEK/USD volatility.

i'm not even impressed, I'm shocked

I think Bitcoin might be less volatile than some national currencies right now (in 2015).

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 360 BTC traded at 237.7$ Volume All Time Low !
Post by: gotmilk_ on May 29, 2015, 03:12:48 PM

Small buy from Credit Suisse Securities (Europe) Ltd. for the first time.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 533 BTC traded at 234.9$ !
Post by: BitcoinIsLiberty on May 29, 2015, 03:33:26 PM

http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/COINXBT:SS

According to reddit it just showed up on bloomberg terminals.
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/37pnnp/finally_two_weeks_after_initial_sthlm_nasdaq/

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 533 BTC traded at 234.9$ !
Post by: hprna on May 29, 2015, 04:07:32 PM

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 360 BTC traded at 237.7$ Volume All Time Low !
Post by: JorgeStolfi on May 29, 2015, 04:24:28 PM

Quote from: gotmilk_ on May 29, 2015, 03:12:48 PM

Small buy from Credit Suisse Securities (Europe) Ltd. for the first time.

Those buyers listed in the netfonds page are probably just brokers acting for other clients, correct?

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 360 BTC traded at 237.7$ Volume All Time Low !
Post by: chmod755 on May 29, 2015, 05:39:55 PM

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on May 29, 2015, 04:24:28 PM

Those buyers listed in the netfonds page are probably just brokers acting for other clients, correct?

I think they are acting as a broker, but who knows.

OP: the title needs another update.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 556 BTC traded at 227.76$ !
Post by: hprna on June 01, 2015, 11:22:18 AM

Price All Time Low 227.76$

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 556 BTC traded at 227.76$ !
Post by: gotmilk_ on June 01, 2015, 12:03:43 PM

Quote from: chmod755 on June 01, 2015, 11:31:07 AM

Yep, it looks like the volume is getting better tho.

They added it to Bloomberg last week: http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/COINXBT:SS

There are some new info on bloomberg page :)

Quote

FUNDAMENTALS FOR COINXBT
NAV   (on 2015-05-29) 10.0850
Assets (M)   (on 2015-05-29) 7.8701
Shares out (M)   0.78
Market Cap (M)   7.62

So 780.000 notes is out? This is 3900 btc atm.

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on May 29, 2015, 04:24:28 PM

Quote from: gotmilk_ on May 29, 2015, 03:12:48 PM

Small buy from Credit Suisse Securities (Europe) Ltd. for the first time.

Those buyers listed in the netfonds page are probably just brokers acting for other clients, correct?

Most probably.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 556 BTC traded at 227.76$ !
Post by: phoenix1 on June 01, 2015, 12:58:00 PM

Quote from: gotmilk_ on June 01, 2015, 12:03:43 PM

There are some new info on bloomberg page :)

Quote

FUNDAMENTALS FOR COINXBT
NAV   (on 2015-05-29) 10.0850
Assets (M)   (on 2015-05-29) 7.8701
Shares out (M)   0.78
Market Cap (M)   7.62

So 780.000 notes is out? This is 3900 btc atm.

Versus approx 1.160.000 notes traded (5800 BTC)
Interesting info on turnover vs holding.
So, to date about a third of the volume is short-term trading/market-making

Interesting to see how this evolves over time.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 556 BTC traded at 227.76$ !
Post by: Searing on June 02, 2015, 06:54:59 AM

Saw this on another thread...says KNC moved 9000 BTC today

for what it is worth here is the link

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1077623.0

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 556 BTC traded at 227.76$ !
Post by: gotmilk_ on June 02, 2015, 07:52:57 AM

Quote from: phoenix1 on June 01, 2015, 12:58:00 PM

Quote from: gotmilk_ on June 01, 2015, 12:03:43 PM

There are some new info on bloomberg page :)

Quote

FUNDAMENTALS FOR COINXBT
NAV   (on 2015-05-29) 10.0850
Assets (M)   (on 2015-05-29) 7.8701
Shares out (M)   0.78
Market Cap (M)   7.62

So 780.000 notes is out? This is 3900 btc atm.

Yep :) They added 250btc yesterday...

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 224 BTC traded at 224$ ! All Time LOW!
Post by: hprna on June 02, 2015, 03:52:45 PM

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 224 BTC traded at 224$ ! All Time LOW!
Post by: fonzie on June 02, 2015, 03:54:02 PM

Quote from: hprna on June 02, 2015, 03:52:45 PM

Thanks for the list. It really looks like demand is strong!

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 556 BTC traded at 227.76$ !
Post by: gotmilk_ on June 03, 2015, 08:40:19 AM

Quote from: phoenix1 on June 01, 2015, 12:58:00 PM

Quote from: gotmilk_ on June 01, 2015, 12:03:43 PM

There are some new info on bloomberg page :)

Quote

FUNDAMENTALS FOR COINXBT
NAV   (on 2015-05-29) 10.0850
Assets (M)   (on 2015-05-29) 7.8701
Shares out (M)   0.78
Market Cap (M)   7.62

So 780.000 notes is out? This is 3900 btc atm.

Bloomberg changed the website... Now it doesn't show how many notes is out directly.
I guess TOTAL ASSETS (M SEK) / NAV = NUMBER OF NOTES ??

2.6.: 877 877 notes (4389btc)

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 556 BTC traded at 227.76$ !
Post by: phoenix1 on June 03, 2015, 10:40:52 AM

Quote from: gotmilk_ on June 03, 2015, 08:40:19 AM

Quote from: phoenix1 on June 01, 2015, 12:58:00 PM

<snip>

Bloomberg changed the website... Now it doesn't show how many notes is out directly.
I guess TOTAL ASSETS (M SEK) / NAV = NUMBER OF NOTES ??

2.6.: 877 877 notes (4389btc)

Odd that they removed such a relevant metric from the new page. I wonder if it will reappear - the whole style of the page has changed, so it could be an 'error' on switch-over.

Your calculation looks right to me and fits with the numbers we had previously from Bloomberg

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 224 BTC traded at 224$ ! All Time LOW!
Post by: mrhelpful on June 03, 2015, 05:35:39 PM

has this anything to deal with them moving their other coins?

Like the 9,000 https://blockchain.info/address/17uTKRCmCgdE5ie85tLu8hP2kRkh4zbhdh

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 224 BTC traded at 224$ ! All Time LOW!
Post by: chmod755 on June 03, 2015, 05:45:43 PM

Quote from: mrhelpful on June 03, 2015, 05:35:39 PM

has this anything to deal with them moving their other coins?

I don't know if anyone from KnC is reading bitcointalk these days. You could ask them (via email, twitter, etc), but they don't have to tell you.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 224 BTC traded at 224$ ! All Time LOW!
Post by: gotmilk_ on June 04, 2015, 05:30:59 PM

Quote from: chmod755 on June 04, 2015, 05:06:01 PM

545 BTC (109117 notes) have been traded today. The price dropped to 9.34 SEK

Also SEK went up against USD.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 545 BTC traded at 225$ !
Post by: hprna on June 04, 2015, 05:54:04 PM

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 224 BTC traded at 224$ ! All Time LOW!
Post by: Natalia_AnatolioPAMM on June 04, 2015, 06:23:38 PM

Quote from: chmod755 on June 04, 2015, 05:06:01 PM

545 BTC (109117 notes) have been traded today. The price dropped to 9.34 SEK

predictable

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 545 BTC traded at 225$ !
Post by: chmod755 on June 05, 2015, 01:12:21 PM

There's almost no activity on Bitcoin Tracker One today as expected, because people are betting big on the forex markets.

The Non-Farm Payroll publication is better than expected - USD: bullish (USD/SEK went up from 8.3 to ~8.45)

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 545 BTC traded at 225$ !
Post by: phoenix1 on June 05, 2015, 01:28:22 PM

Quote from: chmod755 on June 05, 2015, 01:12:21 PM

Interestingly the number of notes outstanding seems to have gone DOWN in the last 2 days according to Bloomberg

http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/COINXBT:SS (http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/COINXBT:SS)
-
Total Assets (m SEK) (on 06/04/2015)
7.973

NAV (on 06/04/2015)
9.305

= 857k notes outstanding vs 878k on Monday as calculated above by gotmilk_

That would imply that the net of all the trades this week is sells BACK TO KnC ...

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 545 BTC traded at 225$ !
Post by: chmod755 on June 05, 2015, 01:34:54 PM

Quote from: phoenix1 on June 05, 2015, 01:28:22 PM

Interestingly the number of notes outstanding seems to have gone DOWN in the last 2 days according to Bloomberg

Maybe that's why KnC was/is moving coins to Bitstamp: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1081070.0

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 545 BTC traded at 225$ !
Post by: phoenix1 on June 05, 2015, 01:37:25 PM

Quote from: chmod755 on June 05, 2015, 01:34:54 PM

Quote from: phoenix1 on June 05, 2015, 01:28:22 PM

Interestingly the number of notes outstanding seems to have gone DOWN in the last 2 days according to Bloomberg

Maybe that's why KnC was/is moving coins to Bitstamp: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1081070.0

Not sure how much I believe that story TBH, but I imagine this was not what they had in mind!

Tho if this continued, I guess they would be forced to sell on exchanges again. But it is a bit too early to call it a trend IMO, just something to keep an eye on above and beyond the volume number that hprna is kindly quoting daily ;)

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 293 BTC traded at 226$ !
Post by: hprna on June 05, 2015, 03:55:23 PM

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 293 BTC traded at 226$ ! Low volume, Knc gave up !
Post by: phoenix1 on June 06, 2015, 07:41:17 AM

Notes outstanding dropped again yesterday to 848k ie 4240 BTC sold in total

So to date, we have approx 7750 BTC traded, of which 55% is net issuance.

TBH I am surprised the percentage is this low. I expected a steady increase in notes outstanding and the clear majority to be held and not traded
Still, early days, but a whole week of sell-backs is a bit of a surprise to me - this is supposed to be away for KnC to avoid selling the coins they mine :-\

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 545 BTC traded at 225$ !
Post by: cardiff97 on June 06, 2015, 09:25:57 AM

Quote from: phoenix1 on June 05, 2015, 01:28:22 PM

Perhaps it simply means KNC added some additional Bitcoins to the ETN?

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 545 BTC traded at 225$ !
Post by: phoenix1 on June 06, 2015, 09:30:49 AM

Quote from: cardiff97 on June 06, 2015, 09:25:57 AM

<snip>

Perhaps it simply means KNC added some additional Bitcoins to the ETN?

Not following your logic at all there :-\
The number of notes outstanding IS the number of BTC in the ETN (after adjusting for fees and the multipier)

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 545 BTC traded at 225$ !
Post by: Nahil on June 06, 2015, 09:51:51 AM

Quote from: phoenix1 on June 06, 2015, 09:30:49 AM

Not following your logic at all there :-\
The number of notes outstanding IS the number of BTC in the ETN (after adjusting for fees and the multipier)

Do you mean at the first few days, some one bought some ETN, after that until today, those ETN have been sold back to KncMiner?

It could be: 1: It was KncMiner itself bought up those ETN at the first place trying to make their ETN trading frequency looks better 2: Buyers bought their ETN deiced to cut losses because bitcoin is crashing 3: KncMiner moved in more bitcoins and created more notes outstanding

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 545 BTC traded at 225$ !
Post by: phoenix1 on June 06, 2015, 10:27:09 AM

Quote from: Nahil on June 06, 2015, 09:51:51 AM

Quote from: phoenix1 on June 06, 2015, 09:30:49 AM

Not following your logic at all there :-\
The number of notes outstanding IS the number of BTC in the ETN (after adjusting for fees and the multipier)

Do you mean at the first few days, some one bought some ETN, after that until today, those ETN have been sold back to KncMiner?

It could be: 1: It was KncMiner itself bought up those ETN at the first place trying to make their ETN trading frequency looks better 2: Buyers bought their ETN deiced to cut losses because bitcoin is crashing 3: KncMiner moved in more bitcoins and created more notes outstanding

No. Not exactly.
If someone buys from KnC (more accurately XBT Provider), notes are created, number of notes oustanding increases.
If someone sells those notes to another broker, not representing KnC, number of notes outstanding remains the same.
If that broker is representing KnC the number of notes will decrease. KnC provide liquidity in this instrument, so this will happen at times if there is no other buyer or KnC actively seek to buy back notes (for example if they were trading well below NAV, they would be motivated to do this)

I am saying that the net of all trades this week was sales back to KnC

As for your suggestions ...
1) Yes that is possible, but I doubt they would sell them back to themselves again so soon, so I think this is unlikely. It's probably not legal either to manipulate the metrics in this way.
2) Hardly crashing, but yes, this is the most likely reason. Some people are simply trading/market-making these notes, not investing. If the selling is mopped up by KnC, notes outstanding decreases.
3) That makes no sense - the number of notes outstanding decreased. In any case, as it is an ETN, the number of notes outstanding represents the number held by investors/traders. KnC can't 'move in more bitcoins' and create more notes. Notes are created when people buy from KnC and not from the existing free-float held by other traders (ie the existing pool of notes outstanding) and they are then backed by BTC held by KnC. Make sense?

If the number of notes outstanding has decreased, I can see no other means how this can happen except by net selling back to KnC. If someone thinks this is incorrect please show me how.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 240 BTC traded at 227$ ! Low volume, Knc ETN dying !
Post by: hprna on June 08, 2015, 04:01:45 PM

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 240 BTC traded at 227$ ! Low volume, Knc ETN dying !
Post by: gotmilk_ on June 09, 2015, 07:37:26 AM

http://www.netfonds.se/quotes/ppaper.php?paper=BITCOIN-XBT.ST

90k in first 15min 8)

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 240 BTC traded at 227$ ! Low volume, Knc ETN dying !
Post by: Alley on June 09, 2015, 11:44:00 AM

OP is starting to sound like a troll with the thread title. Knc is dying? Riiight...

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 705 BTC traded at 230$ !
Post by: hprna on June 09, 2015, 04:26:07 PM

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 705 BTC traded at 230$ !
Post by: mrhelpful on June 09, 2015, 07:31:54 PM

In my eyes, KNC isnt dying, its more like KNC just wants to cash out, most of their coins it seems.

And hold some incase if it goes the other way. Or either if they are in debt after their mining operations.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 705 BTC traded at 230$ !
Post by: JorgeStolfi on June 09, 2015, 10:09:52 PM

This chart (https://blockchain.info/pools?timespan=4days) claims that they have 6% of the total hashpower, so they must be mining ~215 BTC/day, 7 days per week; or ~300 BTC per workday.

The average trade volume last week, converted to BTC, was ~390 BTC per work day. But surely there was quite a bit of re-trading of the same notes. When KnC issues more notes, which broker sells them? "NON"?

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 705 BTC traded at 230$ !
Post by: phoenix1 on June 10, 2015, 07:59:40 AM

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on June 09, 2015, 10:09:52 PM

You can monitor the issuance of notes here and hence follow how much is trading and how much issuance ...

http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/COINXBT:SS (http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/COINXBT:SS)

Number of notes = Total Assets/NAV

At the moment it is fairly stable at 856k = 4280 BTC - dipped last week and now back up again.
that would be an average of 250BTC per work day. A bit less than they are mining, but if this is 'new demand' rather than people who would have otherwise not bought, it pretty much eliminates any effect of them selling on exchange.

Two caveats - I am not 100% sure of the accuracy of the updating of the Bloomberg numbers as I have seen them increase by more than the trade volume on one trading day (this Monday), which in theory is not possible. As it was just the once, for now, I will let it pass, but keeping an eye on it nonetheless.
Also, it did not change at all yesterday despite the high trade volume, which seems surprising.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 615 BTC traded at 230$ !
Post by: hprna on June 10, 2015, 09:28:24 PM

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 615 BTC traded at 230$ !
Post by: techgeek on June 10, 2015, 09:30:00 PM

I really dont understand why KNC held so many coins.

Then all of a sudden launch their own exchange, and have a selling spree..

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 615 BTC traded at 230$ !
Post by: gotmilk_ on June 10, 2015, 09:47:29 PM

Quote from: techgeek on June 10, 2015, 09:30:00 PM

I really dont understand why KNC held so many coins.

Then all of a sudden launch their own exchange, and have a selling spree..

Many? XBT provider holds in notes 4332 btc...
KNC probably holds more, but it is also known that they were daily selling a big portion of new coins. They just find another way to sell and since XBT Provider is part of KNC they make extra money with fees, etc.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 615 BTC traded at 230$ !
Post by: luciann on June 10, 2015, 11:46:43 PM

Quote from: gotmilk_ on June 10, 2015, 09:47:29 PM

Quote from: techgeek on June 10, 2015, 09:30:00 PM

I really dont understand why KNC held so many coins.

Then all of a sudden launch their own exchange, and have a selling spree..

wait, I didnt even know XBT was part of KNC.

Just how many sites are involved with KNC? Also is XBT an exchange? dumb question, cause I had no idea as well.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 815 BTC traded at 230$ !
Post by: hprna on June 11, 2015, 07:08:48 PM

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 815 BTC traded at 230$ !
Post by: gotmilk_ on June 12, 2015, 11:20:08 AM

ATH in volume (211000 notes) before 13.00 CET.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 815 BTC traded at 230$ !
Post by: phoenix1 on June 12, 2015, 12:20:42 PM

Quote from: gotmilk_ on June 12, 2015, 11:20:08 AM

ATH in volume (211000 notes) before 13.00 CET.

Will be interesing to see the Bloomberg info tomorrow ... as of yesterday we are showing only and increase of 70k notes outstanding on the week (nd extra 350BTC), a total of 863k (4315BTC)
So thats 4300 BTC of notes outstanding on a trading volume of approx 10,000 BTC

So it look like for the last 2 weeks there has been no net issuance.
I guess in a way, that means KnC are doing a good job of providing liquidity, but I am surprised with these increased volume numbers that we are not seeing an incremental increase in notes outstanding. The ratio of holding:trading is swinging more to trading already.

End of day edit : Volume today was an impressive 291,000 notes
Increase in notes outstanding was a not so impressive 29,000 notes.
Thats 10% new issuance and 90% churn ...

1st 20 days - BTC traded - approx 11,500
- Notes outstanding - approx 4,450 BTC

Honestly, I as said before, I expected more buy and hold, but it seems it is mainly attracting short term speculation, which is not really what KnC are after. They want buyers for their mined coins, not traders.
Its still early days, but we have seen virtually no change in the oustanding notes for the last 2 weeks of 4 :-\

I guess this will change when a clear uptrend is in progress. Til then ... its a bit 'meh' IMO

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 815 BTC traded at 230$ !
Post by: gotmilk_ on June 12, 2015, 10:49:13 PM

Yep... I expect bigger volume when btc starts moving. Right now btc is more boring than gold.
About the btc holdings... If they issue for 5k btc notes every month, this means 60k btc per year ;)

Btw. I get 4462 btc in outstanding shares... What am i missing?

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 815 BTC traded at 230$ !
Post by: Kupsi on June 12, 2015, 11:19:22 PM

Quote from: gotmilk_ on June 12, 2015, 10:49:13 PM

Btw. I get 4462 btc in outstanding shares... What am i missing?

That's correct. Bloomberg is updated with todays numbers.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 1455 BTC traded at 231$ !
Post by: hprna on June 13, 2015, 09:50:42 AM

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 1455 BTC traded at 231$ !
Post by: Alley on June 15, 2015, 11:20:40 PM

153k notes traded today. Total notes issued went up slightly to 930k. (4650 btc)

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 1455 BTC traded at 231$ !
Post by: ejinte on June 15, 2015, 11:38:50 PM

Will be closed this Friday for Swedish midsummer celebrations.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 1455 BTC traded at 231$ !
Post by: Kupsi on June 16, 2015, 10:42:39 AM

Knight Capital bought 25 000 shares today. Dipping their toes :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knight_Capital_Group

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 1455 BTC traded at 231$ !
Post by: Hunyadi on June 16, 2015, 10:46:07 AM

Quote from: Kupsi on June 16, 2015, 10:42:39 AM

Knight Capital bought 25 000 shares today. Dipping their toes :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knight_Capital_Group

Market making, HFT,... :o This could be big.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 1455 BTC traded at 231$ !
Post by: elux on June 16, 2015, 10:53:31 AM

Quote from: Hunyadi on June 16, 2015, 10:46:07 AM

Quote from: Kupsi on June 16, 2015, 10:42:39 AM

Knight Capital bought 25 000 shares today. Dipping their toes :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knight_Capital_Group

Market making, HFT,... :o This could be big.

"I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords." :)

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 480 BTC traded at 235$ !
Post by: hprna on June 16, 2015, 11:08:45 AM

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 1172 BTC traded at 242.5$ !
Post by: hprna on June 16, 2015, 04:59:04 PM

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 1172 BTC traded at 242.5$ !
Post by: gotmilk_ on June 17, 2015, 10:57:19 AM

Quote from: chmod755 on June 17, 2015, 10:49:27 AM

Looks like XBT Provider was only available in Sweden until now:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3a53hi/finally_worldwide_availability_of_bitcoin/

A Swiss company named Timber Hill Europe AG traded a few notes today. We will probably see a trading volume record soon.

But we already sow buys from none Sweden brokers... Not so sure about this reddit post.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 1172 BTC traded at 242.5$ !
Post by: elux on June 17, 2015, 01:04:05 PM

Record breaking volume.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 2468 BTC traded at 252$ !
Post by: hprna on June 17, 2015, 06:36:19 PM

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 2468 BTC traded at 252$ !
Post by: gotmilk_ on June 17, 2015, 06:45:34 PM

Outstanding notes on 17.6: 987 722 (4938btc) ;)

If they add 5k btc every month... that would be something ;D

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 2468 BTC traded at 252$ !
Post by: gotmilk_ on June 18, 2015, 08:39:06 AM

Going for new record volume! 410 926 notes in first 1h and 20min :o :o

Most of the buying from Timber Hill Europe AG.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 2468 BTC traded at 252$ !
Post by: klee on June 18, 2015, 08:46:51 AM

Quote from: gotmilk_ on June 18, 2015, 08:39:06 AM

Going for new record volume! 410 926 notes in first 1h and 20min :o :o

Most of the buying from Timber Hill Europe AG.

Heard at TV chat that Interactive Brokers are buying too

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 2468 BTC traded at 252$ !
Post by: gotmilk_ on June 18, 2015, 08:52:47 AM

Quote from: klee on June 18, 2015, 08:46:51 AM

Quote from: gotmilk_ on June 18, 2015, 08:39:06 AM

Going for new record volume! 410 926 notes in first 1h and 20min :o :o

Most of the buying from Timber Hill Europe AG.

Heard at TV chat that Interactive Brokers are buying too

Maybe we will finally see pump that we expected from ETN! ;D

https://twitter.com/xbtprovider/status/611449661841350656

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 2468 BTC traded at 252$ !
Post by: Bitsinmyhead on June 18, 2015, 09:43:06 AM

Quote from: gotmilk_ on June 18, 2015, 08:39:06 AM

Most of the buying from Timber Hill Europe AG.

Timber Hill Europe AG is what the trades made through Interactive Brokers will show up as, so there seems to be a lot of people buying through Interactive Brokers.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 3175 BTC traded at 248$ !
Post by: hprna on June 18, 2015, 06:55:41 PM

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 3175 BTC traded at 248$ !
Post by: gotmilk_ on June 19, 2015, 11:37:28 AM

Quote from: chmod755 on June 19, 2015, 11:22:17 AM

I was a bit confused today because XBT Provider is not doing anything but some ETNs are active.

Looks like today is a holiday in Stockholm and Helsinki, but the ETNs listed in Copenhagen are active.

Yep... holiday in Sweden today.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 3175 BTC traded at 248$ !
Post by: Alley on June 19, 2015, 05:07:10 PM

Yesterdays action raised issued notes to 1.33 million. Over 6600 coins.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 3175 BTC traded at 248$ !
Post by: gotmilk_ on June 19, 2015, 05:32:32 PM

Quote from: Alley on June 19, 2015, 05:07:10 PM

Yesterdays action raised issued notes to 1.33 million. Over 6600 coins.

Where did you find that? Bloomberg hasn't updated it yet.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 3175 BTC traded at 248$ !
Post by: the_reprobate on June 19, 2015, 10:40:54 PM

Quote from: gotmilk_ on June 19, 2015, 05:32:32 PM

Quote from: Alley on June 19, 2015, 05:07:10 PM

Yesterdays action raised issued notes to 1.33 million. Over 6600 coins.

Where did you find that? Bloomberg hasn't updated it yet.

Yep, I can't find any sources about this info also.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 3175 BTC traded at 248$ !
Post by: Alley on June 19, 2015, 11:13:59 PM

http://mobile.bloomberg.com/quote/COINXBT:SS

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 3175 BTC traded at 248$ !
Post by: StarenseN on June 22, 2015, 08:17:30 AM

Following

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 3175 BTC traded at 248$ !
Post by: gotmilk_ on June 22, 2015, 03:08:44 PM

https://twitter.com/xbtprovider/status/611454898492833792

Do we have wrong numbers about number of notes? On 18.6 (17.6?) number of outstanding notes was 1,388,774... and this was before the record volume in 18.6. (post was made on 1:46 am).

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 3175 BTC traded at 248$ !
Post by: phoenix1 on June 23, 2015, 11:19:08 AM

Quote from: gotmilk_ on June 22, 2015, 03:08:44 PM

Yeh, these numbers do not tally with what Bloomberg is producing on a daily basis. Which is correct? I have no idea ...
Bloomberg as of COB 22nd June says 1,281,800 notes (6,409 BTC)

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 3175 BTC traded at 248$ !
Post by: phoenix1 on June 23, 2015, 10:58:39 PM

Quote from: chmod755 on June 23, 2015, 11:30:40 AM

Quote from: gotmilk_ on June 22, 2015, 03:08:44 PM

It doesn't take many notes to get a record volume. The same note can change owners a few times on a single day. Also: the data on Bloomberg is definitely delayed. You need to pay them for real-time data.

The question here is not about record volume and notes changing hands, it is about what the correct number of notes outstanding is at the end of the trading day - ie what is trading vs what is new issuance, and what is the total number of notes outstanding to date. Bloomberg provides this data for close of business each day - 'live' feeds are normally delayed, as you say (by 15 mins I think), end of day totals should as said, end of day totals. These numbers differ significantly from that which XBT Provider is giving ... one of them is wrong ...

Just to be UBER clear, we are talking about the number of notes outstanding derived from these numbers :

http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/COINXBT:SS (http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/COINXBT:SS)

Total assets/ NAV

/= number given by XBT provider ...

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 3175 BTC traded at 248$ !
Post by: phoenix1 on June 23, 2015, 11:37:19 PM

Quote from: chmod755 on June 23, 2015, 11:16:37 PM

Quote from: phoenix1 on June 23, 2015, 10:58:39 PM

In their tweet XBT Provider said "At this point we have net sold 1388774 ETNs and hold 6944 BTC" (1:46 AM - 18 Jun 2015) - not "at the end of the day".

I hear you, and I am not accusing anyone of anything, but if you have been following the numbers, they do not tally, end of day or not end of day ...
TBH I am not really interested in discussing it further. There is an inconsistency, I have seen it, I don't know what the correct numbers are ... end of ...
Ignore it or investigate further as you wish. Perhaps ask for an end of day number one day and see if it matches the Bloomberg number. It should, or there is an error somewhere, which is how it looks right now ...

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 3175 BTC traded at 248$ !
Post by: gotmilk_ on June 24, 2015, 02:28:42 PM

Quote from: phoenix1 on June 23, 2015, 11:19:08 AM

Quote from: gotmilk_ on June 22, 2015, 03:08:44 PM

Yeh, these numbers do not tally with what Bloomberg is producing on a daily basis. Which is correct? I have no idea ...
Bloomberg as of COB 22nd June says 1,281,800 notes (6,409 BTC)

Bloomberg with wrong data I guess. I'm sure there must be some public data about number of outstanding notes... Lets all write to XBT Provider about that ;D

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 582 BTC traded at 240$ !
Post by: hprna on June 24, 2015, 03:12:04 PM

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 608 BTC traded at 241$ !
Post by: Wexlike on June 26, 2015, 04:13:20 PM

~1653 bitcoin today at a price of ~242$. :)

http://www.nasdaqomxnordic.com/etp/etn/etninfo?Instrument=SSE109538

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 1652 BTC traded at 240$ !
Post by: hprna on June 26, 2015, 04:40:21 PM

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 1652 BTC traded at 240$ !
Post by: gizmoh on June 29, 2015, 08:33:44 AM

New Record. 366,000 shares traded after 1h30 of trade opening.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 1652 BTC traded at 240$ !
Post by: Wexlike on June 29, 2015, 09:17:21 AM

Quote from: gizmoh on June 29, 2015, 08:33:44 AM

New Record. 366,000 shares traded after 1h30 of trade opening.

2400 Bitcoins traded after 1h40min. Insane!

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 1652 BTC traded at 240$ !
Post by: mladen00 on June 29, 2015, 11:33:02 AM

Quote from: Wexlike on June 29, 2015, 09:17:21 AM

Quote from: gizmoh on June 29, 2015, 08:33:44 AM

New Record. 366,000 shares traded after 1h30 of trade opening.

2400 Bitcoins traded after 1h40min. Insane!

Great news,

Imho we are going @300$/BTC by the end of this week,
and with grexit maybe even more.
Everybody now knows that money in bank is not 100% yours

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 2888 BTC traded at 253.65$ !
Post by: hprna on June 29, 2015, 04:34:14 PM

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 2888 BTC traded at 253.65$ !
Post by: Wexlike on June 30, 2015, 08:44:53 PM

Quote from: hprna on June 29, 2015, 04:34:14 PM

1583 BTC traded at 262 $

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 1580 BTC traded at 265.99$ !
Post by: hprna on June 30, 2015, 09:16:28 PM

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 1580 BTC traded at 265.99$ !
Post by: gotmilk_ on July 03, 2015, 10:18:54 PM

Looking at the bloomberg numbers... XBT Provider holds now 8750 btc ;)

Looks like they could hold more than 10k btc after 2 months.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 1580 BTC traded at 265.99$ !
Post by: betterangels on July 03, 2015, 11:03:08 PM

that volumen...

not bad

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 681 BTC traded at 235.95$
Post by: yefi on July 04, 2015, 12:15:23 AM

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on May 21, 2015, 06:45:08 PM

Quote from: hprna on May 21, 2015, 05:03:39 PM

Yep, this factor is still being ignored. SEK/USD is 0.1183 today. Compared to 0.12058, that's about a $5 dollar difference at $250/BTC.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 2771 BTC traded at 274.24$ !
Post by: hprna on July 06, 2015, 07:08:21 PM

day 1 history : 949 BTC (189783 shares) traded at 232.84$
day 2 history : 546 BTC (109376 shares) traded at 232.6$
day 3 history : 455 BTC (90988 shares) traded at 232.2$
day 4 history : 681 BTC (136233 shares) traded at 235.95$
day 5 history : 643 BTC (128618 shares) traded at 237.21$
day 6 history : 453 BTC (90759 shares) traded at 237.21$
day 7 history : 756 BTC (151238 shares) traded at 236.8$
day 8 history : 431 BTC (86275 shares) traded at 236.1$
day 9 history : 360 BTC (72006 shares) traded at 237.7$
day 10 history : 533 BTC (106617 shares) traded at 234.9$
day 11 history : 595 BTC (119031 shares) traded at 226.83$
day 12 history : 224 BTC (44950 shares) traded at 224.46$
day 13 history : 280 BTC (56022 shares) traded at 227.91$
day 14 history : 545 BTC (109117 shares) traded at 225.78$
day 15 history : 293 BTC (58629 shares) traded at 226.31$
day 16 history : 240 BTC (48075 shares) traded at 227.63$
day 17 history : 705 BTC (141025 shares) traded at 230.32$
day 18 history : 615 BTC (123100 shares) traded at 230.2$
day 19 history : 815 BTC (163000 shares) traded at 230.3$
day 20 history : 1455 BTC (291000 shares) traded at 231.15$
day 21 history : 767 BTC (153477 shares) traded at 236.03$
day 22 history : 1172 BTC (234542 shares) traded at 242.51$
day 23 history : 2468 BTC (493677 shares) traded at 252$
day 24 history : 3175 BTC (635137 shares) traded at 248.82$
day 25 history : 1282 BTC (256550 shares) traded at 245.6$
day 26 history : 471 BTC (94339 shares) traded at 243.41$
day 27 history : 608 BTC (121710 shares) traded at 241.27$
day 28 history : 600 BTC (120130 shares) traded at 241.54$
day 29 history : 1652 BTC (330560 shares) traded at 240.22$
day 30 history : 2888 BTC (577685 shares) traded at 253.65$
day 31 history : 1580 BTC (316112 shares) traded at 265.99$
day 32 history : 713 BTC (142794 shares) traded at 257.14$
day 33 history : 305 BTC (61181 shares) traded at 254.75$
day 34 history : 785 BTC (157049 shares) traded at 255.33$
day 35 history : 2771 BTC (554391 shares) traded at 274.24$

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 1580 BTC traded at 265.99$ !
Post by: gotmilk_ on July 06, 2015, 08:09:59 PM

Quote from: gotmilk_ on July 03, 2015, 10:18:54 PM

Looking at the bloomberg numbers... XBT Provider holds now 8750 btc ;)

Looks like they could hold more than 10k btc after 2 months.

9882 btc now... Looking good 8)

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 1580 BTC traded at 265.99$ !
Post by: Kupsi on July 07, 2015, 10:39:01 PM

Quote from: gotmilk_ on July 06, 2015, 08:09:59 PM

Quote from: gotmilk_ on July 03, 2015, 10:18:54 PM

Looking at the bloomberg numbers... XBT Provider holds now 8750 btc ;)

Looks like they could hold more than 10k btc after 2 months.

9882 btc now... Looking good 8)

11337 today :)

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 1580 BTC traded at 265.99$ !
Post by: gotmilk_ on July 07, 2015, 10:53:47 PM

Quote from: Kupsi on July 07, 2015, 10:39:01 PM

Quote from: gotmilk_ on July 06, 2015, 08:09:59 PM

Quote from: gotmilk_ on July 03, 2015, 10:18:54 PM

Looking at the bloomberg numbers... XBT Provider holds now 8750 btc ;)

Looks like they could hold more than 10k btc after 2 months.

9882 btc now... Looking good 8)

11337 today :)

Yeah... Looks like some buyers started to hold those notes :)

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 351 BTC traded at 267.25$ !
Post by: hprna on July 08, 2015, 11:03:16 AM

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 2771 BTC traded at 274.24$ !
Post by: dEBRUYNE on July 08, 2015, 11:28:45 AM

Quote from: chmod755 on July 08, 2015, 10:19:33 AM

German exchange Tradegate.de has added XBT Provider http://tradegate.de/orderbuch.php?isin=SE0007126024

Article here -> http://bitcoinblog.de/2015/07/08/seit-heute-kann-man-an-auf-der-deutschen-borse-tradegate-mit-bitcoin-handeln/

German though.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 351 BTC traded at 267.25$ !
Post by: gotmilk_ on July 08, 2015, 03:55:23 PM

https://twitter.com/xbtprovider/status/618400216732041216

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 592 BTC traded at 271.47$ !
Post by: hprna on July 08, 2015, 04:01:35 PM

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 592 BTC traded at 271.47$ !
Post by: rayhan on July 08, 2015, 06:21:07 PM

A nice time. KNC is selling ,probably . GBC is good enough. BTC being traded at a lower price than usual. Things need to be taken care of with great concentration. Speculation required , for the investors ,i would say.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 2962 BTC traded at 270.65$ !
Post by: hprna on July 09, 2015, 06:00:22 PM

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 2962 BTC traded at 270.65$ !
Post by: gotmilk_ on July 09, 2015, 09:20:18 PM

Outstanding notes: 2 780 000 (13 900 btc)!

This is gaining some momentum 8)

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 2962 BTC traded at 270.65$ !
Post by: Wexlike on July 10, 2015, 08:55:35 AM

Quote from: gotmilk_ on July 09, 2015, 09:20:18 PM

Outstanding notes: 2 780 000 (13 900 btc)!

This is gaining some momentum 8)

Where do you get this information from ?

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 2962 BTC traded at 270.65$ !
Post by: gotmilk_ on July 10, 2015, 09:14:39 AM

Record volume before 11am (CET)! 8)
http://www.netfonds.se/quotes/ppaper.php?paper=BITCOIN-XBT.ST

Quote from: Wexlike on July 10, 2015, 08:55:35 AM

Quote from: gotmilk_ on July 09, 2015, 09:20:18 PM

Outstanding notes: 2 780 000 (13 900 btc)!

This is gaining some momentum 8)

Where do you get this information from ?

http://mobile.bloomberg.com/quote/COINXBT:SS

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 3952 BTC traded at 284.64$ !
Post by: Sitarow on July 10, 2015, 12:03:25 PM

Quote from: chmod755 on July 10, 2015, 10:43:57 AM

Wow, 4294 BTC already

We have an attempt of a repeat of the occurrence on Feb 2015 when we had a market attempt to push BTC up by trading ltc/btc pairs.

Someone seems to think they can push the value of btc/usd up by dumping LTC.

Well I wonder what the "market makers" will decide.

11.99 Sek to USD = 1.43 x 200 = 286 USD

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 4304 BTC traded at 280.13$ !
Post by: StarenseN on July 10, 2015, 04:57:48 PM

The volume picking up on the highest is very gentlemen. Sounds quite legit !

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 5169 BTC traded at 284.61$ !
Post by: hprna on July 10, 2015, 05:19:48 PM

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 5169 BTC traded at 284.61$ !
Post by: Wexlike on July 11, 2015, 07:35:42 AM

Quote from: hprna on July 10, 2015, 05:19:48 PM

You should also mention, that it was the most traded stock on nasdaq. :)

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 5169 BTC traded at 284.61$ !
Post by: TaurusBit on July 11, 2015, 11:25:22 AM

Quote from: Wexlike on July 11, 2015, 07:35:42 AM

You should also mention, that it was the most traded stock on nasdaq. :)

#2 actually.
https://i.imgur.com/ZFE0obP.png

Where can we find the number of issued notes?

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 5169 BTC traded at 284.61$ !
Post by: StarenseN on July 11, 2015, 11:36:20 AM

Quote from: TaurusBit on July 11, 2015, 11:25:22 AM

Quote from: Wexlike on July 11, 2015, 07:35:42 AM

You should also mention, that it was the most traded stock on nasdaq. :)

#2 actually.
https://i.imgur.com/ZFE0obP.png

Where can we find the number of issued notes?

http://www.xbtprovider.com/

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 5169 BTC traded at 284.61$ !
Post by: Kupsi on July 11, 2015, 05:28:33 PM

Quote from: TaurusBit on July 11, 2015, 11:25:22 AM

Where can we find the number of issued notes?

http://mobile.bloomberg.com/quote/COINXBT:SS

Look at "key stats".

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 5169 BTC traded at 284.61$ !
Post by: dEBRUYNE on July 14, 2015, 07:49:53 PM

Any updates?

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 5169 BTC traded at 284.61$ !
Post by: TaurusBit on July 14, 2015, 08:46:25 PM

Quote from: Kupsi on July 11, 2015, 05:28:33 PM

Quote from: TaurusBit on July 11, 2015, 11:25:22 AM

Where can we find the number of issued notes?

http://mobile.bloomberg.com/quote/COINXBT:SS

Look at "key stats".

Thanks :)

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 404 BTC traded at 294.57$ !
Post by: hprna on July 14, 2015, 09:26:14 PM

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 404 BTC traded at 294.57$ !
Post by: gotmilk_ on July 15, 2015, 08:40:39 PM

Outstanding notes: 2 913 091 (14 565 btc). 8)

http://mobile.bloomberg.com/quote/COINXBT:SS
Assets (M) / NAV * 0,005 = btc holdings.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 3028 BTC traded at 291.33$ !
Post by: hprna on July 15, 2015, 09:03:27 PM

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 3028 BTC traded at 291.33$ !
Post by: gotmilk_ on July 22, 2015, 09:36:14 PM

Outstanding notes: 3 020 000 (15100 btc). 8)

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 250 BTC traded at 276.87$ !
Post by: hprna on July 22, 2015, 10:40:08 PM

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 250 BTC traded at 276.87$ !
Post by: Dexter770221 on July 22, 2015, 10:56:04 PM

IMHO it will be easier to split this wall of text to monthly reports. At the beginning of month just put link to post that shows last day of previous month, and start a new month.

On topic: few last days shows lowest volume ever.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 250 BTC traded at 276.87$ !
Post by: Wexlike on July 23, 2015, 02:27:39 PM

Quote from: Dexter770221 on July 22, 2015, 10:56:04 PM

*skip*

On topic: few last days shows lowest volume ever.

Extremely low volume across all exchanges. Weird moment of silence after the short 300+ rally.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 250 BTC traded at 276.87$ !
Post by: Dexter770221 on July 24, 2015, 10:54:57 PM

Todays volume isn't impressive either (~500BTC) but Köp/ Salg- ratio (Buy/sell ratio - I think?) looks quiet good. More buyers than sellers. Next week open will be very interesting.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 250 BTC traded at 276.87$ !
Post by: electerium on July 24, 2015, 10:58:34 PM

can you please also start putting dates in the trade history?

numbering them as day1-xxx makes no sense to me.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 528 BTC traded at 283.78$ !
Post by: hprna on July 24, 2015, 11:23:44 PM

day 1 history 18/05/2015 : 949 BTC (189783 shares) traded at 232.84$
day 2 history 19/05/2015 : 546 BTC (109376 shares) traded at 232.6$
day 3 history 20/05/2015 : 455 BTC (90988 shares) traded at 232.2$
day 4 history 21/05/2015 : 681 BTC (136233 shares) traded at 235.95$
day 5 history 22/05/2015: 643 BTC (128618 shares) traded at 237.21$
day 6 history 25/05/2015 : 453 BTC (90759 shares) traded at 237.21$
day 7 history 26/05/2015: 756 BTC (151238 shares) traded at 236.8$
day 8 history 27/05/2015: 431 BTC (86275 shares) traded at 236.1$
day 9 history 28/05/2015: 360 BTC (72006 shares) traded at 237.7$
day 10 history 29/05/2015: 533 BTC (106617 shares) traded at 234.9$
day 11 history 01/06/2015: 595 BTC (119031 shares) traded at 226.83$
day 12 history 02/06/2015: 224 BTC (44950 shares) traded at 224.46$
day 13 history 03/06/2015: 280 BTC (56022 shares) traded at 227.91$
day 14 history 04/06/2015: 545 BTC (109117 shares) traded at 225.78$
day 15 history 05/06/2015: 293 BTC (58629 shares) traded at 226.31$
day 16 history 08/06/2015: 240 BTC (48075 shares) traded at 227.63$
day 17 history 09/06/2015: 705 BTC (141025 shares) traded at 230.32$
day 18 history 10/06/2015: 615 BTC (123100 shares) traded at 230.2$
day 19 history 11/06/2015: 815 BTC (163000 shares) traded at 230.3$
day 20 history 12/06/2015: 1455 BTC (291000 shares) traded at 231.15$
day 21 history 15/06/2015: 767 BTC (153477 shares) traded at 236.03$
day 22 history 16/06/2015: 1172 BTC (234542 shares) traded at 242.51$
day 23 history 17/06/2015: 2468 BTC (493677 shares) traded at 252$
day 24 history 18/06/2015: 3175 BTC (635137 shares) traded at 248.82$
day 25 history 22/06/2015: 1282 BTC (256550 shares) traded at 245.6$
day 26 history 23/06/2015: 471 BTC (94339 shares) traded at 243.41$
day 27 history 24/06/2015: 608 BTC (121710 shares) traded at 241.27$
day 28 history 25/06/2015: 600 BTC (120130 shares) traded at 241.54$
day 29 history 26/06/2015: 1652 BTC (330560 shares) traded at 240.22$
day 30 history 29/06/2015: 2888 BTC (577685 shares) traded at 253.65$
day 31 history 30/06/2015: 1580 BTC (316112 shares) traded at 265.99$
day 32 history 01/07/2015: 713 BTC (142794 shares) traded at 257.14$
day 33 history 02/07/2015: 305 BTC (61181 shares) traded at 254.75$
day 34 history 03/07/2015: 785 BTC (157049 shares) traded at 255.33$
day 35 history 06/07/2015: 2771 BTC (554391 shares) traded at 274.24$
day 36 history 07/07/2015: 1866 BTC (373242 shares) traded at 266.74$
day 37 history 08/07/2015: 592 BTC (118467 shares) traded at 271.47$
day 38 history 09/07/2015: 2962 BTC (592481 shares) traded at 270.65$
day 39 history 10/07/2015: 5169 BTC (1033982 shares) traded at 284.61$
day 40 history 13/07/2015: 2539 BTC (507903 shares) traded at 288.38$
day 41 history 14/07/2015: 404 BTC (80815 shares) traded at 294.57$
day 42 history 15/07/2015: 3028 BTC (605706 shares) traded at 291.33$
day 43 history 16/07/2015: 664 BTC (132991 shares) traded at 277.65$
day 44 history 17/07/2015: 566 BTC (113253 shares) traded at 277.7$
day 45 history 20/07/2015: 271 BTC (54244 shares) traded at 277.63$
day 46 history 21/07/2015: 247 BTC (49534 shares) traded at 278.11$
day 47 history 22/07/2015: 250 BTC (50064 shares) traded at 276.87$
day 48 history 23/07/2015: 175 BTC (35041 shares) traded at 276.13$
day 49 history 24/07/2015: 528 BTC (105754 shares) traded at 283.78$

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 528 BTC traded at 283.78$ !
Post by: dEBRUYNE on July 30, 2015, 06:44:22 PM

Any updates?

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 285 BTC traded at 285.38$ !
Post by: hprna on July 30, 2015, 07:05:45 PM

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 285 BTC traded at 285.38$ !
Post by: dEBRUYNE on August 21, 2015, 10:08:11 PM

Any updates? I think one update a month (including outstanding notes) would be sufficient.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 285 BTC traded at 285.38$ !
Post by: yefi on August 21, 2015, 10:51:34 PM

Quote from: dEBRUYNE on August 21, 2015, 10:08:11 PM

Any updates? I think one update a month (including outstanding notes) would be sufficient.

AUGUST

Date_____	_Volume(BTC)	_USD/SEK*	_Price(USD)
03/08/2015	566	8.63	282.41
04/08/2015	299	8.65	277.76
05/08/2015	203	8.70	281.02
06/08/2015	283	8.70	280.06
07/08/2015	174	8.74	277.49
10/08/2015	218	8.77	262.61
11/08/2015	355	8.69	263.98
12/08/2015	378	8.66	264.09
13/08/2015	260	8.59	261.80
14/08/2015	135	8.47	264.34
17/08/2015	690	8.52	256.22
18/08/2015	570	8.53	252.81
19/08/2015	647	8.54	231.39
20/08/2015	322	8.52	232.96
21/08/2015	585	8.52	232.75
24/08/2015	1,701	8.36	217.61
25/08/2015	2,042	8.27	208.66
26/08/2015	388	8.34	224.81
27/08/2015	107	8.48	224.42
28/08/2015	305	8.46	223.70
31/08/2015	446	8.44	225.66

Sources:
http://www.nasdaqomxnordic.com/etp/etn/etn-historical?Instrument=SSE109538
~~https://www.quandl.com/data/CURRFX/USDSEK-Currency-Exchange-Rates-USD-vs-SEK~~
*New source for SEKUSD. Adjusted closing prices from Yahoo Finance api: http://ichart.yahoo.com/table.csv?s=SEK=X

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 285 BTC traded at 285.38$ !
Post by: dEBRUYNE on August 22, 2015, 11:38:18 PM

Quote from: yefi on August 21, 2015, 10:51:34 PM

Quote from: dEBRUYNE on August 21, 2015, 10:08:11 PM

Any updates? I think one update a month (including outstanding notes) would be sufficient.

Date_____	_Volume(BTC)	_USD/SEK	_Price(USD)
21/07/2015	248	8.64	278.08
22/07/2015	250	8.62	274.36
23/07/2015	175	8.59	274.89
24/07/2015	529	8.58	280.89
27/07/2015	282	8.59	285.48
28/07/2015	845	8.56	292.01
29/07/2015	761	8.54	290.34
30/07/2015	285	8.57	288.57
31/07/2015	343	8.62	281.71
03/08/2015	566	8.63	282.44
04/08/2015	299	8.63	278.30
05/08/2015	203	8.65	282.92
06/08/2015	283	8.69	280.19
07/08/2015	174	8.72	277.94
10/08/2015	218	8.75	263.12
11/08/2015	355	8.75	262.10
12/08/2015	378	8.71	262.39
13/08/2015	260	8.64	260.28
14/08/2015	135	8.57	261.14
17/08/2015	690	8.52	256.04
18/08/2015	570	8.51	253.22
19/08/2015	647	8.53	231.71
20/08/2015	322	8.54	232.25

Sources:
http://www.nasdaqomxnordic.com/etp/etn/etn-historical?Instrument=SSE109538
https://www.quandl.com/data/CURRFX/USDSEK-Currency-Exchange-Rates-USD-vs-SEK

Much appreciated! Volume seems a bit low though in comparison with previous months.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 285 BTC traded at 285.38$ !
Post by: yefi on September 14, 2015, 03:00:48 AM

edit: Control handed over to XBT-Bot.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 285 BTC traded at 285.38$ !
Post by: hprna on September 14, 2015, 12:56:59 PM

Thanks for your updates. The current bitcoin price is ridiculous.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 285 BTC traded at 285.38$ !
Post by: yefi on September 15, 2015, 02:50:24 AM

Quote from: hprna on September 14, 2015, 12:56:59 PM

The current bitcoin price is ridiculous.

Well, when has it not been so. But the bubble-making machine hasn't seen its last days yet imho.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 285 BTC traded at 285.38$ !
Post by: Chef Ramsay on September 15, 2015, 03:50:27 AM

Quote from: yefi on September 15, 2015, 02:50:24 AM

Quote from: hprna on September 14, 2015, 12:56:59 PM

The current bitcoin price is ridiculous.

Well, when has it not been so. But the bubble-making machine hasn't seen its last days yet imho.

Totally right, it could manifest itself again at any time. Coupled w/ the eventual runup towards halving and the good news that will come out about bitcoin startups that have matured in due time, we gonna fly high imo. Take meager profits now or wait for moon. Patience is a virtue.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT
Post by: XBT-Bot on September 19, 2015, 05:52:00 AM

SEPTEMBER

Date	Volume(BTC)	Bought(BTC)	Sold(BTC)	# Trades	Price(USD)	Issuance(BTC)
01 Sep 2015	107			10	226.40
02 Sep 2015	461			20	226.36
03 Sep 2015	103			15	224.55
04 Sep 2015	251			19	228.13
07 Sep 2015	316			28	239.38
08 Sep 2015	452			54	238.07
09 Sep 2015	339			9	238.05
10 Sep 2015	237			9	237.11
11 Sep 2015	136			12	236.15
14 Sep 2015	220			19	227.03	15,494
15 Sep 2015	104			12	228.25
16 Sep 2015	133			7	225.38
17 Sep 2015	216			8	228.40	15,634
18 Sep 2015	147	96.4	50.6	7	230.93	15,680
21 Sep 2015	131	2.7	128.3	8	227.80	15,554
22 Sep 2015	1,457	105.5	1,351.9	39	224.43	14,308
23 Sep 2015	89	2.3	86.5	8	227.33	14,224
24 Sep 2015	148	0.1	148.0	8	228.88	14,076
25 Sep 2015	160	264.8	-104.9	12	234.66	14,445
28 Sep 2015	691			23	237.55
29 Sep 2015	442			15	234.25	15,193
30 Sep 2015	17	7.7	9.0	9	235.40	15,192

Averages:	289			16	231.11

Sources:
Volume, Number of Trades, and Price Data: http://www.nasdaqomxnordic.com/etp/etn/etn-historical?Instrument=SSE109538
USD/SEK Exchange Rate: http://ichart.yahoo.com/table.csv?s=SEK=X Backup: http://openexchangerates.org
Issuance: http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/COINXBT:SS

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 285 BTC traded at 285.38$ !
Post by: yefi on September 19, 2015, 06:04:30 AM

Ok, XBT-Bot will scrape data from the Nasdaq Nordic, Bloomberg and Yahoo Finance and provide daily updates in monthly reports including outstanding notes in terms of issued BTC.

It collects data for the following fields: priceLow, priceHigh, priceClose, priceAvg, volume, exchangeRate, BTCPrice, BTCVolume, totalAssets, NAV, outstandingNotes, outstandingBTC, number of trades. I'm only showing what I think is relevant in the posts, but if enough people want some field shown, I'll include it. I intend to make all of the scraped data available in a spreadsheet at some point.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 285 BTC traded at 285.38$ !
Post by: klee on September 19, 2015, 06:28:58 AM

Quote from: yefi on September 19, 2015, 06:04:30 AM

Ok, XBt-Bot will scrape data from the Norwegian Nasdaq, Bloomberg and Yahoo Finance and provide daily updates in monthly reports including outstanding notes in terms of issued BTC.

It collects data for the following fields: priceLow, priceHigh, priceClose, priceAvg, volume, exchangeRate, BTCPrice, BTCVolume, totalAssets, NAV, outstandingNotes, outstandingBTC, number of trades. I'm only showing what I think is relevant in the posts, but if enough people want some field shown, I'll include it. I intend to make all of the scraped data available in a spreadsheet at some point.

Awesome, thanks!

Can we have asks/bids too?

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 285 BTC traded at 285.38$ !
Post by: yefi on September 19, 2015, 07:02:34 AM

Quote from: klee on September 19, 2015, 06:28:58 AM

Awesome, thanks!

Can we have asks/bids too?

Interesting, I hadn't thought about the orderbook. Could definitely add ask price and bid price at end of trade. Or do you mean bid depth / ask depth? We only have the closest five bids/asks available on Nasdaq's site that I can see, so there would be some degree of inaccuracy there.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 285 BTC traded at 285.38$ !
Post by: klee on September 19, 2015, 07:16:11 AM

Quote from: yefi on September 19, 2015, 07:02:34 AM

Quote from: klee on September 19, 2015, 06:28:58 AM

Awesome, thanks!

Can we have asks/bids too?

I want something like this:

Date    Ask    Bid
2015-09-18   234.92   234.6
2015-09-17   234.41   234.31
2015-09-16   229.81   229.58
2015-09-15   230.96   230.8
2015-09-14   232.56   232.45
2015-09-13   230.28   230.17
2015-09-12   237.43   237.32
2015-09-11   242       241.8
2015-09-10   240.39   240.16
2015-09-09   239.8   239.66
2015-09-08   244.66   244.53
2015-09-07   241.63   241.5
2015-09-06   241.81   241.65
2015-09-05   236.6   236.41
2015-09-04   232.13   232
2015-09-02   230.91   230.81
2015-09-01   226.98   226.87
2015-08-31   231.71   231.56
2015-08-30   228.48   228.32
2015-08-29   230.06   229.83
2015-08-28   234.06   233.75
2015-08-27   227.87   227.74
2015-08-26   226.77   226.62
2015-08-25   222.25   221.98
2015-08-24   210.37   210.18
2015-08-23   228      227.84

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 285 BTC traded at 285.38$ !
Post by: yefi on September 19, 2015, 02:52:38 PM

Quote from: klee on September 19, 2015, 07:16:11 AM

I want something like this:

Date    Ask    Bid
2015-09-18   234.92   234.6
2015-09-17   234.41   234.31
...
2015-08-25   222.25   221.98
2015-08-24   210.37   210.18
2015-08-23   228      227.84

Cool, I'll look to put this in with the next update.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 285 BTC traded at 285.38$ !
Post by: gotmilk_ on September 21, 2015, 11:59:49 AM

https://twitter.com/xbtprovider/status/645862295592148992

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 285 BTC traded at 285.38$ !
Post by: gotmilk_ on September 21, 2015, 12:55:29 PM

Quote from: chmod755 on September 21, 2015, 12:41:41 PM

Quote from: gotmilk_ on September 21, 2015, 11:59:49 AM

https://twitter.com/xbtprovider/status/645862295592148992

Awesome. It's also worth mentioning that they stopped using Bitfinex and are using Bitstamp, Coinbase and itBit to track the price (announced: Sep 11 2015 (https://twitter.com/xbtprovider/status/642243760357830656))

Yep...Bitfinex and OKcoin are off. Can't say I'm surprised ;D
This also means that they are buying/selling now there.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 285 BTC traded at 285.38$ !
Post by: yefi on September 24, 2015, 01:58:41 PM

Added volume bought and sold, which is implied through daily changes in outstanding notes: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1064294.msg12463020#msg12463020

Btw, lowest volume ever yesterday :-[

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT
Post by: XBT-Bot on October 01, 2015, 08:07:20 PM

OCTOBER

Date	Volume(BTC)	Bought(BTC)	Sold(BTC)	# Trades	Price(USD)	Issuance(BTC)
01 Oct 2015	147	137.1	9.7	14	235.30	15,319
02 Oct 2015	253	146.9	106.5	32	235.03	15,360
05 Oct 2015	815	554.3	260.4	25	234.34	15,654
06 Oct 2015	437	217.2	219.9	16	240.30	15,651
07 Oct 2015	367	187.2	180.2	16	242.65	15,658
08 Oct 2015	562	501.3	60.3	21	240.20	16,099
09 Oct 2015	54	49.3	4.8	5	239.05	16,144
12 Oct 2015	248	50.3	197.8	12	243.51	15,996
13 Oct 2015	212	144.0	67.8	14	246.73	16,072
14 Oct 2015	1,748	1,695.8	52.5	35	248.33	17,715
15 Oct 2015	170	7.3	162.6	13	251.63	17,560
16 Oct 2015	491	97.2	394.0	24	256.65	17,263
19 Oct 2015	248	61.9	185.8	29	260.97	17,140
20 Oct 2015	657	67.1	590.2	24	264.00	16,616
21 Oct 2015	117			12	264.28
22 Oct 2015	331			22	274.24	16,607
23 Oct 2015	323	40.7	281.8	24	275.51	16,366
26 Oct 2015	260	200.4	59.8	24	281.02	16,506
27 Oct 2015	355	115.5	239.4	42	288.94	16,382
28 Oct 2015	1,066	341.4	724.2	63	299.87	16,000
29 Oct 2015	444			45	308.19
30 Oct 2015	612			59	325.94	16,266

Averages:	451			26	261.67

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 285 BTC traded at 285.38$ !
Post by: gotmilk_ on October 01, 2015, 10:16:44 PM

Quote from: chmod755 on September 28, 2015, 08:26:35 AM

Looks like the brokers on XBT Provider are not yet convinced that this a real rally. The volume is close to zero so far.

http://www.netfonds.se/quotes/ppaper.php?paper=BITCOIN-XBT.ST

On Monday they start trading also in €. Will be interesting to see the volume... Any one knows if those existing notes will be valid for € tracker also or it is separated?

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 285 BTC traded at 285.38$ !
Post by: gotmilk_ on October 14, 2015, 01:25:12 AM

Quote from: chmod755 on October 12, 2015, 06:47:27 PM

Bitcoin Tracker EUR doesn't have a lot of volume, but it probably takes a few weeks for brokers & data providers to add it.

Quote from: gotmilk_ on October 01, 2015, 10:16:44 PM

On Monday they start trading also in €. Will be interesting to see the volume... Any one knows if those existing notes will be valid for € tracker also or it is separated?

It's separated.

Yep... For EUR: http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/COINXBE:SS

Offtopic (maybe somone will find that useful:
Numbers from GABI (http://www.globaladvisors.co.uk/)... If I calculated right they hold around 18k btc (http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/GABITCO:JY).

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 285 BTC traded at 285.38$ !
Post by: yefi on October 29, 2015, 03:10:17 PM

Quote from: chmod755 on October 28, 2015, 05:59:43 PM

Please add Bitcoin Tracker EUR to XBT Bot.

I'll see what I can do. Volume on the Euro ETF has been pretty much pants though: http://www.nasdaqomxnordic.com/etp/etn/etn-historical?Instrument=SSE113749

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT
Post by: XBT-Bot on November 02, 2015, 08:35:01 PM

NOVEMBER

Date	Volume(BTC)	Bought(BTC)	Sold(BTC)	# Trades	Price(USD)	Issuance(BTC)
02 Nov 2015	568	399.8	168.2	72	332.16	16,498
03 Nov 2015	2,688	833.9	1,854.4	189	384.33	15,477
04 Nov 2015	3,975			364	462.34
05 Nov 2015	3,839			269	389.35
06 Nov 2015	1,049			126	373.07	16,282
09 Nov 2015	384	146.8	237.6	61	375.21	16,191
10 Nov 2015	1,156	867.0	289.0	77	368.43	16,769
11 Nov 2015	840	559.0	281.5	103	313.74	17,047
12 Nov 2015	998	590.2	407.8	69	329.11	17,229
13 Nov 2015	348	125.8	221.9	22	328.19	17,133
16 Nov 2015	197	188.1	8.6	23	316.30	17,313
17 Nov 2015	550	391.4	158.6	41	331.41	17,546
18 Nov 2015	139	38.3	100.3	16	329.96	17,484
19 Nov 2015	586	220.1	365.4	29	325.80	17,338
20 Nov 2015	451	243.0	208.5	27	317.73	17,373
23 Nov 2015	679	369.4	309.8	31	320.87	17,432
24 Nov 2015	285	32.6	252.2	18	317.66	17,213
25 Nov 2015	174	56.8	116.8	20	321.26	17,153
26 Nov 2015	2,094	1,580.2	513.4	101	341.66	18,220
27 Nov 2015	710	265.3	444.9	52	352.60	18,040
30 Nov 2015	963	538.9	424.2	64	374.11	18,155

Averages:	1,080			84	347.87

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT
Post by: XBT-Bot on December 02, 2015, 01:01:16 AM

DECEMBER

Date	Volume(BTC)	Bought(BTC)	Sold(BTC)	# Trades	Price(USD)	Issuance(BTC)
01 Dec 2015	483	151.2	331.3	47	357.98	17,975
02 Dec 2015	179	81.2	97.6	19	350.15	17,958
03 Dec 2015	614	254.3	359.6	28	356.99	17,853
04 Dec 2015	182	84.9	97.1	16	356.82	17,841
07 Dec 2015	690	542.5	147.9	61	394.19	18,235
08 Dec 2015	220	43.8	176.3	33	389.75	18,103
09 Dec 2015	1,002			77	412.38
10 Dec 2015	554			44	414.36	17,987
11 Dec 2015	1,761	1,363.1	397.4	88	429.26	18,953
14 Dec 2015	1,033	589.0	443.6	63	439.53	19,099
15 Dec 2015	954	317.0	637.4	82	451.06	18,778
16 Dec 2015	643	321.4	321.5	56	452.42	18,778
17 Dec 2015	656			51	453.74
18 Dec 2015	409			40	456.30	18,005
21 Dec 2015	590			57	433.07
22 Dec 2015	421			42	433.29	17,664
23 Dec 2015	448	438.6	9.4	24	435.79	18,093
24 Dec 2015
25 Dec 2015
28 Dec 2015	983			69	421.30	18,558
29 Dec 2015	441	169.3	271.3	34	422.47	18,456
30 Dec 2015	308	230.9	76.8	35	424.67	18,611
31 Dec 2015

Averages:	628			48	414.28

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT
Post by: XBT-Bot on January 06, 2016, 12:12:14 AM

JANUARY

Date	Volume(BTC)	Bought(BTC)	Sold(BTC)	# Trades	Price(USD)	Issuance(BTC)
01 Jan 2016
04 Jan 2016	491			54	428.31
05 Jan 2016	144			13	430.73	18,578
06 Jan 2016
07 Jan 2016	1,487			131	445.25	19,102
08 Jan 2016	873	211.7	661.4	67	452.96	18,652
11 Jan 2016	517	249.7	267.5	39	442.34	18,634
12 Jan 2016	350			69	441.29
13 Jan 2016	775			62	426.37	18,583
14 Jan 2016	118	72.2	46.1	30	425.76	18,609
15 Jan 2016	2,496	841.7	1,654.4	142	398.33	17,796
18 Jan 2016	572			78	376.19
19 Jan 2016	1,142			45	377.82	17,291
20 Jan 2016	1,088	417.8	670.1	57	389.09	17,038
21 Jan 2016	322			26	411.23
22 Jan 2016	400			33	391.75	16,724
25 Jan 2016	97	60.3	36.3	19	394.49	16,748
26 Jan 2016	206	150.6	55.0	27	389.79	16,844
27 Jan 2016	116	106.5	9.8	13	389.06	16,940
28 Jan 2016	321	166.1	155.0	26	379.00	16,951
29 Jan 2016	157	25.3	131.2	21	372.09	16,846

Averages:	614			50	408.52

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT
Post by: XBT-Bot on February 01, 2016, 08:42:49 PM

FEBRUARY

Date	Volume(BTC)	Bought(BTC)	Sold(BTC)	# Trades	Price(USD)	Issuance(BTC)
01 Feb 2016	349	81.7	267.4	25	369.77	16,660
02 Feb 2016	217			19	369.75
03 Feb 2016	114			13	364.46	16,794
04 Feb 2016	229	190.7	38.3	19	368.03	16,946
05 Feb 2016	226	115.4	111.1	11	380.78	16,951
08 Feb 2016	410	84.6	325.2	24	370.83	16,710
09 Feb 2016	209	31.1	177.5	18	366.44	16,564
10 Feb 2016	1,576	839.5	736.4	31	377.03	16,667
11 Feb 2016	431	167.3	263.5	18	372.27	16,570
12 Feb 2016	281	84.9	196.1	16	375.50	16,459
15 Feb 2016	272	174.8	97.0	25	399.42	16,537
16 Feb 2016	325			29	398.55
17 Feb 2016	391			29	411.60
18 Feb 2016	166			19	413.08	16,874
19 Feb 2016	126			15	415.15
22 Feb 2016	124			24	431.39	16,916
23 Feb 2016	965			32	416.19
24 Feb 2016	118			19	415.24
25 Feb 2016	105			18	417.03	17,824
26 Feb 2016	233	108.9	124.2	20	419.21	17,808
29 Feb 2016	359			33	431.36

Averages:	344			22	394.43

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT
Post by: XBT-Bot on March 01, 2016, 11:02:34 PM

MARCH

Date	Volume(BTC)	Bought(BTC)	Sold(BTC)	# Trades	Price(USD)	Issuance(BTC)
01 Mar 2016	183			19	428.72	18,001
02 Mar 2016	64	8.5	56.0	13	424.73	17,954
03 Mar 2016	211	131.6	78.9	20	413.33	18,007
04 Mar 2016	75	34.5	41.0	15	412.63	18,000
07 Mar 2016	43	23.4	19.9	20	403.42	18,004
08 Mar 2016	151	129.2	22.0	11	405.96	18,111
09 Mar 2016	141	100.8	40.4	9	404.83	18,171
10 Mar 2016	174	73.1	100.5	13	405.61	18,144
11 Mar 2016	58	12.3	45.9	8	412.76	18,110
14 Mar 2016	151	74.2	76.4	22	407.90	18,108
15 Mar 2016	30			11	407.67
16 Mar 2016	19			8	409.03	18,134
17 Mar 2016	46			22	409.36
18 Mar 2016	141			23	407.32
21 Mar 2016	14			15	401.44	18,064
22 Mar 2016	75	5.2	70.0	11	409.14	17,999
23 Mar 2016	87			9	412.03
24 Mar 2016	1			3	408.34	18,030
25 Mar 2016
28 Mar 2016
29 Mar 2016	129			23	409.08
30 Mar 2016	101			17	403.24
31 Mar 2016	9			12	406.76	18,014

Averages:	91			14	409.68

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT
Post by: XBT-Bot on April 05, 2016, 11:22:13 PM

APRIL

Date	Volume(BTC)	Bought(BTC)	Sold(BTC)	# Trades	Price(USD)	Issuance(BTC)
01 Apr 2016	170			10	410.22
04 Apr 2016	273			6	410.63
05 Apr 2016	45			11	415.99	17,636
06 Apr 2016	10	9.6	0.7	6	416.59	17,645
07 Apr 2016	34	30.1	3.6	5	414.50	17,672
08 Apr 2016	62			9	415.69
11 Apr 2016	10			5	412.81	17,662
12 Apr 2016	458			13	417.29
13 Apr 2016	38			11	418.91	17,510
14 Apr 2016	30	18.7	11.3	5	417.26	17,518
15 Apr 2016	216	210.2	6.2	20	422.29	17,722
18 Apr 2016	47			12	420.77
19 Apr 2016	54			12	420.72	17,688
20 Apr 2016	207	168.2	39.2	18	428.57	17,817
21 Apr 2016	171	158.4	12.3	21	433.90	17,964
22 Apr 2016	192	114.3	78.1	22	438.04	18,000
25 Apr 2016	308	292.3	15.5	32	450.98	18,277
26 Apr 2016	510	407.0	103.4	33	457.08	18,580
27 Apr 2016	585			45	448.50
28 Apr 2016	188			19	436.09
29 Apr 2016	88			13	440.89	18,788

Averages:	176			16	426.08

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT
Post by: XBT-Bot on May 04, 2016, 01:31:07 AM

MAY

Date	Volume(BTC)	Bought(BTC)	Sold(BTC)	# Trades	Price(USD)	Issuance(BTC)
02 May 2016	609			43	435.83
03 May 2016	40			15	437.30	18,514

Averages:	538			38	269.33

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 285 BTC traded at 285.38$ !
Post by: megadeth on June 14, 2016, 04:48:57 AM

Apparently they resume trading on the 14th with Global Advisors as their backers.

Title: Re: KncMiner XBT: 285 BTC traded at 285.38$ !
Post by: Hunyadi on June 14, 2016, 05:54:54 AM

Quote from: megadeth on June 14, 2016, 04:48:57 AM

Apparently they resume trading on the 14th with Global Advisors as their backers.

Good thing. I was afraid they will be liquidated.