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Worsening crisis

According to the International Organization for Migration (IOM), an estimated 25,000 Southeast Asian migrants took to the seas in the first three months of 2015.

Whether seeking a new life voluntarily or forcibly removed from their homes, migrants and refugees from Southeast Asian countries like Myanmar and Bangladesh have no choice but to put their lives into the hands of unscrupulous brokers and traffickers.

After weeks or even months at sea, they are either dumped in unfamiliar countries like Thailand, with no money, to fend for themselves, or are herded into camps in the jungles of Thailand and Malaysia where they are held captive and further mistreated.

"Survivors describe how they flee persecution in Burma only to fall into the hands of traffickers and extortionists, in many cases witnessing deaths and suffering abuse and hunger," said Brad Adams, Asia director at Human Rights Watch in a statement.

"Interviews with officials and others make clear that these brutal networks, with the complicity of government officials in Burma, Bangladesh, Thailand, and Malaysia, profit from the desperation and misery of some of the world's most persecuted and neglected people."

Both the sides are guilty here. Almost all of the Rohingya are migrants from Bangladesh, and the native population in the Rakhine region is opposed to their presence there. Another fact that should be remembered is that ethnic Rakhinese (some 300,000 in total) are suffering genocide in Bangladesh (and no human right organization is taking up their cause). Attacks against Rohingya in Myanmar are mostly retaliation against the treatment of ethnic Rakhinese (known as Mogh) in Bangladesh. Treat the Mogh better, and attacks against the Rohingya will stop.

Did you state the Rohingya refugee are guilty? I think United Nations must take action to response this problem. It's not about political, but humanity. I will appreciate if US will help them although world people hate US.

Many of the Rohingya were involved in crimes such as rape and murder against the native population in Rakhine. Remember that it was the rape of some local women in 2012, which sparked the anti-Rohingya riots. Also, Rakhine state is home to tens of thousands of Buddhist refugees from Bangladesh, who were forced to flee after a brutal campaign of terror by the Bengali settlers.

subhumans unworthy of life. exterminate them.

rohingya are illegal immigrants, violent, lazy, rapists and killers. they do not work but only produce more of themselves at such an alarming rate as to threaten their buddhist neighbours. its not an islamic thing if anyone's wondering as there are peaceful burmese muslims who don't cause any problems. rohingya are a different kettle of fish and belong in the same category as roma gypsies.

Hmm.. that is important. The Rohingya are not the native Muslims of Myanmar. They are immigrants. The Rohingya speak the Bengali language, while the native Muslims speak either Burmese or other native languages such as Mon or Karen. That said, around 80% of the total Muslim population in Myanmar is composed of Rohingyas. The native Muslims have been reduced to 20%.

Do you blame all of Rohingyan just because some of them did crimes? What do you think if one of your family did crime and you got blamed because of him? Rohingyans are not only men, there are also women and kids.

No. I am not blaming all Rohingya. That is why I used the term "some of them". There is a reason why the Buddhists are not attacking the native Muslims, or other minorities such as Hindus. They are law abiding peaceful citizens. The problem is that the Bangladeshi immigrants want to bring their own rules and customs to the area to which they immigrated.

The Rohingya are in reality a stateless people, they are not allowed to be citizens (as "Rohingya") in Myanmar, where most of them currently live, or in Bangladesh, where their ancestors came from.
They are the subject of gross discrimination in Myanmar, where they were long segregated from the main population, where they were the object of severe restrictions by successive governments (restrictions which were not applied to other residents of Myanmar), and where they were forced to live in appalling conditions.

In recent years, Australian governments have also funded capacity building programs to counter people trafficking in several South-East Asian countries, including Myanmar.
But these programs may not have been designed for the current Rohingya situation.

It is not that simple. There are many reasons, to why the Rohingya are being badly treated by the Myanmar government. Some of them are:

1. Most of the Rohingya are recent immigrants from Bangladesh.
2. Crime rate is very high among the Rohingya.
3. Rohingya migrants have encroached upon the government land in the Rakhine state.
4. As a retaliation for the Bengali attacks against ethnic Rakhinese (Mogh) in Bangladesh, the Myanmarese officials harass the Rohingyas.
5. The population growth rate for Rohingya is very high, and the ethnic Rakhinese are afraid that they'll soon become a minority.

Maybe you would have been fit to born in them. its not their fault they were born into poverty and have to do things being helpless. Not all of them are criminals as you generalize. I feel the perfect solution would be for countries to come together and solve it together. There should be enough unclaimed islands off the South east countries where they can be inhabited and not be left stateless. Or the countries could start giving them residency in their own countries.

everyone's born where he's supposed to be born, i am british and greek of pure aryan stock by the grace of god, if i were fit to have been born among these diseased souls i would have been

because these subhumans are really going to make a go of things living on an uninhabited island? its unlikely they could invent the wheel on their own. i'd be all for dumping them on an island if we could just leave them alone and let them die but we all know they wouldn't stay on their island for long

and these "countries" of which you speak are made up of people, people who arent stupid and don't want rohingya savages polluting their lands, let them live in your house since you love them so much

Perhaps United States should then take them all in? I sparsely see undeserved violence, so I reserve judgment until both sides have spoken. Fact is, that those bangladeshi migrants are muslim, while the country in question is (despite repeated invasions) still budhist.

Why should the United States take them? United States is thousands of km away from the Rakhine region. It will be better if Bangladesh takes them back. After all, they are ethnic Bengali. However, they have rejected repeated requests from the international community to accept these people. The next option is Muslim nations such as Malaysia, Saudi Arabia and Indonesia. They have accepted a few of the Rohingya, but all of them are saying that they can't take in anymore.

Bryant,
I was responding mostly to Falconer, who claims this is all about "humanity" and US should intervene. Of course, I find it idiotic. Bangladesh is well beyond point of overpopulation, its third world status only worsened by the fact, that vast majority of its people are ardent believers in dogmatic religion. Country the size of Iowa already supports 170 million of these people. It is more, than understandable, that its neighbours arent thrilled about taking care of this mass of people (represented by Rohingya most recently).

Saudis and other state sponsors of terorrism dont generally accept foreign refugees, frankly this is useless concept. EVEN, if they were willing to move and assimilate, there would be simply born new ones and cycle would continue. Their problem cannot be solved on someone elses account.

Bangladesh can't produce millions of additional people every year and say that it is the responsibility of India and Myanmar to take care of them. Already some 30 million illegal Bangladeshi immigrants reside in India. In states such as Assam, they make up for as much as one-third of the total popualtion. Bangladesh should take the responsibility of resettling the Rohingya... and the same for illegal Bangla immigrants in nations such as India, Malaysia, Thailand, Indonesia.etc.

Thats again an assumption . Its true that it would be hard to earn while on the island, but would be enough to atleast have a living for themselves. They can always start manufacturing operations among other things which require manual labour. The only thing I blame them for is to continue giving birth to more babies than they can afford to take care of .

That is going on everywhere, not just in the Rakhine state. People produce more children, if it is profitable to do so. Check the Daily Mail, and every now and then they publish the story of some welfare rat with a dozen children in London. If you subsidize the population explosion, then people will create more and more children. It is the basic rule of nature.

uneducated, mostly illiterate low iq savages arent going to suddenly develop the ability to build farms and factories by being transplanted from their burmese mud society into one of their own on a random island somewhere. it is not burma holding them back nor is it the indonesians or thai who also rightfully reject them, if you look at these countries you'll see they are all making tremendous strides in developing themselves.

animals like rohingya have always had more children than they could afford to support but back in the day there weren't foreign funded ngos providing them with food so there wasn't this crazy population explosion.

That is the only thing which is bad for them. A lot of people in general(including Rohingyas) keep on giving birth and can have upto 10-12 children . Its a trend in Islam to have more than 5 children, which I have never understood. If they were to avoid that tradition, it would have been a much better community without many problems.

I agree Rohingya are migrants, However they are legal migrants not illegal, There is no basic evidence that so called brutal attacks against Rohingya is based on the retaliation against the treatment of Ethnic Rakhinese, so much so even it is true, Bangladesh Government never deprive anyone from their country, But What about the Myanmar, they are brutally murdering innocent men, women, childrens, infants of very poor Rohingya community. It is evident genocide from Myanmar.

I said that because I think USA had absolute power in United Nations. They could do anything and UN can't blame them. You can call me idiot, but it just my opinion about Rohingyan and that's the effective way to resolve the problem. I didn't say USA should take them to US and feed them. Maybe US can submit this issue in UN and hope can be resolved. Anything wrong in my opinion?

some Rohingyas have been responsible for criminal acts, however, this in no way means that they as a community are responsible for their own plight. The Rohingya people have been the victim of systematic persecution and violence for decades

You said some of them, so what about the Rohingyan innocents? People just ignore and blame the innocents too.

No. They are illegal migrants, just like the Bengali immigrants in countries such as India, Malaysia, Thailand and Indonesia. Why should the Myanmar government legally allow one million Rohingya to flood their country? Myanmar is a Buddhist-dominated society, and they don't want immigrants from people belonging to different religion.

And do you think the violence act by Myanmar natives to Rohingyan is legal? Can you imagine about what kind of violence that made Rohingyan been so scared and trying to sail to other country? If they have made several crimes, so what the purpose of the country made a jail and founded police officers? The cops can solve the crime problems, because those are their tasks, not civilians.

Myanmar authorities are taking action against illegal immigrants.


If they wanted humane treatment, then they should have remained in Bangladesh, rather than immigrating to Myanmar


The policemen can be effective if some isolated individuals are committing crimes. Right now, it is impossible for the Rakhine state police to raid Rohingya settlements to nab the criminals. The community prevents the entry of policemen to their settlements.

Bengal was once a highly advanced civilization.  What happened to that?

The refugees need to assimilate if they expect to be welcomed anywhere.

Muslims have conquered enough Buddhist lands.  From Alexandria to Constantinople then, and from Bamiyan to Palmyra now, these Dark Age locusts swarm on and destroy the heritage of mankind.

If the Rohingya would rather die for some dusty old book than convert, fine.

Plenty of room in Muslim heaven for them.   ;D

Buddhism is an "old age" religion, just like Hinduism and Shintoism. The old age religions are not capable of competing with the Abrahamaic religions (Islam and Christianity). If they want to survive, then these old age religions need to innovate and adapt, just like Judaism and Sikhism. Else, they will continue to lose territory and followers to the Abrahamaic religions.

It's not me you need to convince of that assertion, it's some rather stubborn and famously resourceful folk in Asia's Buddha Belt, which ranges from Korea (North and South, neither of which are considered creampuffs), through China (commie and nationalist versions), and down into Vietnam, Thailand, Myanmar, and Cambodia.  Plus the little Himalayan kingdoms.  And then there is India (AKA The Elephant), home of the Buddha.

Good luck with that conversion process.   ;)

Buddhism is nowhere near as old as Hinduism, although it expands and builds upon some of the earlier polytheistic teachings.  It is, in the wider gnostic sense, a monotheistic belief system.  You can't get more monotheistic than "separateness is an illusion."

The Abrahamists look positively pagan in comparison, as they go on about fallen angels, Trinities, dualism, and all those other gaudy social control mechanisms.

Buddhism is losing followers in almost all the nations which you had mentioned. They have lost their majority in South Korea, due to the rapid growth of Christianity. The Christians are still less in number when compared to the Buddhists, but they have marginalized the Buddhists in almost all the spheres. China is no longer a Buddhist nation. Vietnam is also losing its Buddhist majority, due to the activity of Christian missionaries. During the pro-American rule in South Vietnam, the Buddhists were heavily discriminated. As a result we had this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/38/Th%C3%ADch_Qu%E1%BA%A3ng_%C4%90%E1%BB%A9c_self-immolation.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%ADch_Qu%E1%BA%A3ng_%C4%90%E1%BB%A9c

And the violence is legal? If so, we can shoot any villains with gun


You said Bangladesh is overpopulated now, can you imagine how hard they seek a job there?


What are you talking about? That is the task of police officer. If they can't do that, let army or other authorities take the task.

So what? Is it the responsibility of the Myanmarese and the Indians to provide jobs to the Rohingyas? If Bangladesh is overpopulated, then it is the responsibility of the government there to bring down the population.


That's what the army is doing right now. Earlier the cops tried to take control of the situation. But that attempt failed. So they handed over the responsibility to the army guys.

lol.
So its be fair for them to seek a job in other country. Any problem?


So what the army have done to Rohingyan? Shot them? Or evicted them forcibly?

I don't have a problem, as long as they do that legally. The Rohingya should apply for a work visa and resident status in Myanmar, and then migrate to that country if they are granted.


The residents were earlier preventing the cops from entering their settlements. The army came in, and forcefully entered these villages. A lot of people were arrested for obstructing the cops. Those families, who were encroaching on government land, or were unable to show the possession documents, were evicted to special camps set up for them.

The world as a whole is becoming more secular, with the major exception of the retrograde Caliphate cavemen.

China was never "a Buddhist nation."  It's 'always' been dominated by Confucianism and Taoism.  Buddhism's inroads there are the result of its compatibility with both.

Getting back to the Rohingya, Thailand has never been colonized.  Not by Europeans, not by Chinese, and they aren't going to lay back and let invading Muslims fuck their country up like the other places they've turned into a nasty fundamentalist shitholes.

Bangladesh needs to get its act together and stop creating refugee crises.

The land is as fertile as a turtle but the people are fucktarded Islamic-lobotomy victims, and it isn't Thailand's or any other country's job to act as a safety valve.

As a whole, Europe and the Americas are getting more secular, while Asia and Africa is getting more religious.


That is true. A majority of the population in China believes in Chinese Folk Religions.


Thailand is dealing with a bloody Islamic insurgency in the South of the country, which has killed thousands of civilians in the last decade. So their reaction to the latest crisis is understandable.