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Economy => Scam Accusations => Topic started by: Bitcoin Oz on September 09, 2012, 11:53:40 PM



Title: What the actual fuck.
Post by: Bitcoin Oz on September 09, 2012, 11:53:40 PM
Matthew N Wright has a scammer label for welching on a bet.

Hashking does not have a scammer label for lying about "insured deposits"

Nckrazze also lied about having "guaranteed deposits"

pirateat40 does not have a scammer label for failing to pay back 500 000 bitcoins.

This should be corrected and goes for anyone who used the terms "insured" or "guaranteed"



Title: Re: What the actual fuck.
Post by: dirtycat on September 09, 2012, 11:54:48 PM
Matthew N Wright has a scammer label for welching on a bet.

Hashking does not have a scammer label for lying about "insured deposits"

Nckrazze also lied about having "guaranteed deposits"

pirateat40 does not have a scammer label for failing to pay back 500 000 bitcoins.

This should be corrected and goes for anyone who used the terms "insured" or "guaranteed"



zhoutong doesnt have a scammer tag either


Title: Re: What the actual fuck.
Post by: jojo69 on September 09, 2012, 11:57:20 PM
fail forum moderation is fail


Title: Re: What the actual fuck.
Post by: Shadow383 on September 09, 2012, 11:57:30 PM
I thought pirate did have one now?

Besides, don't you know scammer tags have a 75000BTC lower limit?  ;) That's why zhou gets to steal 45000+ BTC and still advertise on the forums.


Title: Re: What the actual fuck.
Post by: Bitcoin Oz on September 09, 2012, 11:59:02 PM
Matthew N Wright has a scammer label for welching on a bet.

Hashking does not have a scammer label for lying about "insured deposits"

Nckrazze also lied about having "guaranteed deposits"

pirateat40 does not have a scammer label for failing to pay back 500 000 bitcoins.

This should be corrected and goes for anyone who used the terms "insured" or "guaranteed"



zhoutong doesnt have a scammer tag either

No he doesnt.


Title: Re: What the actual fuck.
Post by: muyuu on September 10, 2012, 12:00:47 AM
Again.

http://www.firenzee.com/howthemightyhavefallen.jpg


Title: Re: What the actual fuck.
Post by: dust on September 10, 2012, 12:01:19 AM
Matthew N Wright has a scammer label for welching on a bet.

Hashking does not have a scammer label for lying about "insured deposits"

Nckrazze also lied about having "guaranteed deposits"

pirateat40 does not have a scammer label for failing to pay back 500 000 bitcoins.

This should be corrected and goes for anyone who used the terms "insured" or "guaranteed"
pirateat40 recently got a scammer tag

100% agree that hashking, nckrazze and other liars should get tags until they pay back. imsaguy and ineededausername will potentially be added to this list as well.

zhoutong doesnt have a scammer tag either
Is there really conclusive evidence that zhoutong is a scammer?


Title: Re: What the actual fuck.
Post by: Coinoisseur on September 10, 2012, 12:03:54 AM
Pirate was given the Scammer tag around the same time as Matthew.

Given all the suspect activity that goes on it's no wonder it takes time for the cleverer tricksters to get labeled. I shake my head at the whole Bitcoinica thing, perhaps tags will be distributed if one of the lawsuits resolves against them.


Title: Re: What the actual fuck.
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on September 10, 2012, 12:05:34 AM
My understanding is that someone who is scammed needs to ASK for a scammer tag.
Has anyone asked for a scammer tag for Hashking or Nckrazze?  If they did and the tag was denied then you might have a point.

I mean it would be like saying a lawsuit was filed against X but nobody has filed a lawsuit against Y or Z.  OK?  Your point?


Title: Re: What the actual fuck.
Post by: Bitcoin Oz on September 10, 2012, 12:07:57 AM
Again.


Ok. I didnt see the tag before.

It seems to be something that is entirely hit and miss. Ive seen guys get scammer tags over 20btc and some involved in losing thousands of bitcoins avoid them.




Title: Re: What the actual fuck.
Post by: Bitcoin Oz on September 10, 2012, 12:09:52 AM
My understanding is that someone who is scammed needs to ASK for a scammer tag.
Has anyone asked for a scammer tag for Hashking or Nckrazze?  If they did and the tag was denied then you might have a point.

I mean it would be like saying a lawsuit was filed against X but nobody has filed a lawsuit against Y or Z.  OK?  Your point?

Ok. I am asking for a scammer tag. I have lost money in funds on glbse because these people failed to live up to their word.

Specifically CPA with hashking and MOVE.TO.FUND with Nckrazze.

Is that applicable ?


Title: Re: What the actual fuck.
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on September 10, 2012, 12:10:08 AM
Again.


Ok. I didnt see the tag before.

It seems to be something that is entirely hit and miss. Ive seen guys get scammer tags over 20btc and some involved in losing thousands of bitcoins avoid them.

Once again SOMEONE NEEDS TO MAKE A SCAM ACCUSATION AND REQUEST THE TAG.   If the person or persons(s) affected by a scam don't request the tag then no tag will be automatically issued.


Title: Re: What the actual fuck.
Post by: finkleshnorts on September 10, 2012, 12:10:38 AM
fail forum moderation is fail

Go start your own draconian forum; meanwhile this one is free to use.

Fail due diligence is fail. Scammer tags don't prevent scams. Scammer tags exist to give us a semblence of justice after-the-fact.


Title: Re: What the actual fuck.
Post by: dust on September 10, 2012, 12:11:01 AM
My understanding is that someone who is scammed needs to ASK for a scammer tag.
Has anyone asked for a scammer tag for Hashking or Nckrazze?  If they did and the tag was denied then you might have a point.

I mean it would be like saying a lawsuit was filed against X but nobody has filed a lawsuit against Y or Z.  OK?  Your point?

Ok. I am asking for a scammer tag. I have lost money in funds on glbse because these people failed to live up to their word.

Specifically CPA with hashking and MOVE.TO.FUND with Nckrazze.

Is that applicable ?
Make a separate thread and post detailed evidence.


Title: Re: What the actual fuck.
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on September 10, 2012, 12:11:01 AM
Ok. I am asking for a scammer tag. I have lost money in funds on glbse because these people failed to live up to their word.

Specifically CPA with hashking and MOVE.TO.FUND with Nckrazze.

Is that applicable ?

Well I am not a mod but it should be done in the scammer accusation forum.  You need to create a new thread, include any evidence in the thread, and request a scammer tag by sending a PM to mod.


Title: Re: What the actual fuck.
Post by: jwzguy on September 10, 2012, 12:11:18 AM
It's probably easier to quickly fulfill a request for a scammer tag when the accused basically admits to it. Not much investigation or delay needed.


Title: Re: What the actual fuck.
Post by: jojo69 on September 10, 2012, 12:19:28 AM
fail forum moderation is fail

Go start your own draconian forum; meanwhile this one is free to use.


valid point, of course, this is not my only gripe with how this place is run though

nothing wrong with trying to shame them into doing better


Title: Re: What the actual fuck.
Post by: mem on September 10, 2012, 04:03:24 AM
fail forum moderation is fail

Hey, you need to let them complete their scam before  the mods label their sock puppets as scammers  :P.


Title: Re: What the actual fuck.
Post by: theymos on September 10, 2012, 04:45:32 AM
I don't have time to read 50 pages of topics to figure this stuff out. Post a topic in this section with all of the relevant info summarized for me and I'll look into.

When someone gets a scammer tag quickly, it means that their case was straightforward and I knew about it or it was brought to my attention.


Title: Re: What the actual fuck.
Post by: theymos on September 10, 2012, 04:49:45 AM
theymos says only 2 weeks after the scam happened can you then ask for scammer tag

I usually say "a week or two" of discussion for cases that aren't straightforward.


Title: Re: What the actual fuck.
Post by: bitlane on September 10, 2012, 11:11:46 AM
I think in regards to pirate or other big investments, people were a bit apprehensive to label them scammers on the forum and risk chasing them away, but at this point, considering all hope is gone, it can't hurt to label them all as they all seem to be - SCAMMERS.

The sad part is, there will be more coming out of the woodwork as time goes by, showing just how deep the pirate 'investment opportunity' had burrowed it's way into the depths of the community.

Very sad.


Title: Re: What the actual fuck.
Post by: Bitcoin Oz on September 10, 2012, 11:27:09 AM
I think in regards to pirate or other big investments, people were a bit apprehensive to label them scammers on the forum and risk chasing them away, but at this point, considering all hope is gone, it can't hurt to label them all as they all seem to be - SCAMMERS.

The sad part is, there will be more coming out of the woodwork as time goes by, showing just how deep the pirate 'investment opportunity' had burrowed it's way into the depths of the community.

Very sad.

When you have a gangrenous leg the best thing to do is cut it off.


Title: Re: What the actual fuck.
Post by: legolouman on September 10, 2012, 09:51:31 PM
Again.

Ok. I didnt see the tag before.

It seems to be something that is entirely hit and miss. Ive seen guys get scammer tags over 20btc and some involved in losing thousands of bitcoins avoid them.
Sounds normal to me, that's the way it works with fiat currencies :P


I think BulaNula had gotten one over 1 or 2 coins.


Title: Re: What the actual fuck.
Post by: Maged on September 11, 2012, 12:47:43 AM
Matthew N Wright has a scammer label for welching on a bet.
Yup.

Hashking does not have a scammer label for lying about "insured deposits"
Investigation is in progress.

Nckrazze also lied about having "guaranteed deposits"
First I've heard of this...

pirateat40 does not have a scammer label for failing to pay back 500 000 bitcoins.
Marked as scammer.

This should be corrected and goes for anyone who used the terms "insured" or "guaranteed"
As you can see, we eventually get to these things, but it takes time.


Title: Re: What the actual fuck.
Post by: repentance on September 11, 2012, 07:30:50 AM


Nckrazze also lied about having "guaranteed deposits"
First I've heard of this...

Quote
Mostly due to bad planning on my part as well as a large flow of coins at once and the rising difficulty rate, I was unable to continue my mining project and ended up liquidating most of it. Around July 18th, I had completely liquidated all of the mining hardware that belonged to the Deposits Service. I kept a bit over 2000$ worth of hardware for myself (which were my personal assets), to continue generating coins with. My funds remained dormant until August 6th, when I decided that the magnitude of the payouts was too great for the coins to be sitting around for. For this reason, I chose to place all the funds with pirate and continue to payout weekly interest until terms were over. As terms ended, I would not offer term renewals, and would return all of the coins to the depositors. However, in a sequence of unfortunate events, I was unable to withdraw coins from pirate, but continued to payout using the reserve fund, as mentioned (35%). I am at a personal loss now of over 2000 coins, but have liquidated my assets and will begin paying out respectively. I need everyone to understand that this will not be a matter of a few weeks or months, but rather, will be closer to a few years.



Title: Re: What the actual fuck.
Post by: zebedee on September 11, 2012, 08:13:26 AM
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Mostly due to bad planning on my part as well as a large flow of coins at once and the rising difficulty rate, I was unable to continue my mining project and ended up liquidating most of it. Around July 18th, I had completely liquidated all of the mining hardware that belonged to the Deposits Service. I kept a bit over 2000$ worth of hardware for myself (which were my personal assets), to continue generating coins with. My funds remained dormant until August 6th, when I decided that the magnitude of the payouts was too great for the coins to be sitting around for. For this reason, I chose to place all the funds with pirate and continue to payout weekly interest until terms were over. As terms ended, I would not offer term renewals, and would return all of the coins to the depositors. However, in a sequence of unfortunate events, I was unable to withdraw coins from pirate, but continued to payout using the reserve fund, as mentioned (35%). I am at a personal loss now of over 2000 coins, but have liquidated my assets and will begin paying out respectively. I need everyone to understand that this will not be a matter of a few weeks or months, but rather, will be closer to a few years.

Above he says he said he stopped looking for new deposits on Aug 6th.  I have a PM where he tried soliciting funds from me on Aug 10th.


Title: Re: What the actual fuck.
Post by: BadBear on September 11, 2012, 01:49:50 PM
nckrazze has been given a scammer tag https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=108756.0

I asked in hashkings thread, can anyone confirm (by confirm I mean a post or PM or something by hashking himself) that he did say that the lower interest rate brackets weren't exposed to pirate? I can't find it anywhere but people keep saying it.