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Title: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: galdur on June 08, 2015, 01:51:36 PM
Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes

7 June 2015
 
Raif Badawi's family have warned he could die if the 1,000 lashes are carried out
Saudi Arabia's Supreme Court has upheld the sentence of 1,000 lashes and 10 years of imprisonment on blogger Raif Badawi, despite a foreign outcry.
Speaking from Canada, his wife Ensaf Haidar told the BBC she feared his punishment would start again on Friday.
Badawi was arrested in 2012 for "insulting Islam through electronic channels".
Saudi authorities sent his case for review amidst global protests, after the first round of lashes in January.
For four years Badawi ran the Liberal Saudi Network, which encouraged online debate on religious and political issues.
Ms Haidar said she had held high hopes that her husband was about to be released, but he remained less optimistic.
When they last spoke three days ago he told her not to expect him home in the near future.
She called on the countries and rights groups that had campaigned for her husband's release to mobilise once more.
Amnesty International activists held a protest demanding the release of blogger Raif Badawi in front of the Saudi Arabian embassy in Berlin on 22 May 2015
Protests were held following Badawi's first flogging by the kingdom
Badawi received his first 50 lashes in January, but subsequent floggings have been postponed.
A shaky video taken on a mobile phone showed Badawi being lashed by a member of the security forces.
The footage prompted international protests which were repeated every Friday, the scheduled day for the beatings.
In March, the kingdom expressed "surprise and dismay" at international criticism over the punishment.
At the time, the foreign ministry issued a statement saying it rejected interference in its internal affairs.
It is not clear why Badawi has not yet endured a second round though a medical report found he was not fit for the punishment.
Saudi Arabia enforces a strict version of Islamic law and does not tolerate political dissent. It has some of the highest social media usage rates in the region, and has cracked down on domestic online criticism.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-33039815


Title: Re: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: spazzdla on June 08, 2015, 02:06:06 PM
Islam... what a plague to this planet.  In fact all religions have brought nothing but pain, torture and death.


Title: Re: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: bryant.coleman on June 08, 2015, 02:21:51 PM
Things seems to have worsened in Saudi Arabia, ever since the new King (Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud) took over. The previous king (Abdullah bin Abdulaziz Al Saud) was certainly not a saint, but he was at least better than the current one. Some of the disturbing signals from Saudi Arabia, since the new King took over the reigns:

http://www.mintpressnews.com/number-of-saudi-arabian-executions-beheading-soar-in-2015/206139/

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/views/news/middle-east/2015/06/08/Saudi-Arabia-and-Iran-heading-to-war-.html

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-33036136
 


Title: Re: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: BRE on June 08, 2015, 03:03:38 PM
Barbaric Law, without oil Saudi would be equivalent internationally to North Korea.


Title: Re: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: galdur on June 08, 2015, 04:32:04 PM
What is it that causes this great and eternal love between the U.S. and Saudi regimes? Apart from both always being manned by certifiable fruitcakes of course. Or maybe that´s just it. It can´t be just oil.


Title: Re: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: ThEmporium on June 08, 2015, 04:37:43 PM
Islam... what a plague to this planet.  In fact all religions have brought nothing but pain, torture and death.

Have you ever read about Islam in your life, do not talk about any religion unless you have gone through. Islam is a religion chosen by God. Islam teaches the way of practicing every day life. Do not jump on conclusion about Islam just by the way of erratic attitude of some people in Islamic community. They are humans not angels that they do not make any mistakes. However, nowhere I support Saudi Arabia the way they handle foreign relations.


Title: Re: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: BADecker on June 08, 2015, 04:51:38 PM
Islam... what a plague to this planet.  In fact all religions have brought nothing but pain, torture and death.

Have you ever read about Islam in your life, do not talk about any religion unless you have gone through. Islam is a religion chosen by God. Islam teaches the way of practicing every day life. Do not jump on conclusion about Islam just by the way of erratic attitude of some people in Islamic community. They are humans not angels that they do not make any mistakes. However, nowhere I support Saudi Arabia the way they handle foreign relations.

Oh sure.

If the wife didn't protest her husband's treatment, she would be accused by Islamic law of rebelling against her husband, and the sentence would likely have been death for her. The Muslim Brotherhood of Canada would have assassinated her. Poor lady. Caught between a rock and a hard place.

:)


Title: Re: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: jaysabi on June 08, 2015, 05:12:18 PM
What is it that causes this great and eternal love between the U.S. and Saudi regimes? Apart from both always being manned by certifiable fruitcakes of course. Or maybe that´s just it. It can´t be just oil.

There's no other reason to be interested in the area. Oil is the only asset they have which interests the US. Our interest in the Middle East really can be that simple.


Title: Re: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: galdur on June 08, 2015, 05:19:09 PM
What is it that causes this great and eternal love between the U.S. and Saudi regimes? Apart from both always being manned by certifiable fruitcakes of course. Or maybe that´s just it. It can´t be just oil.

There's no other reason to be interested in the area. Oil is the only asset they have which interests the US. Our interest in the Middle East really can be that simple.

Yes, and those who don´t play ball get bombed into oblivion. That´s behavior you´d expect from psychopaths. But how in the hell is there a constant supply of retards/psychopaths to always vote those psychopaths into office?


Title: Re: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: keyscore44 on June 08, 2015, 05:35:00 PM
I'm sure we can expect condemnation from Obama sometime soon......maybe not. Must be nice being an ally to the US, you can get away with murder with zero repercussions. Money talks

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2015/01/20150123_saudi.png


Title: Re: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: bryant.coleman on June 08, 2015, 05:52:02 PM
What is it that causes this great and eternal love between the U.S. and Saudi regimes? Apart from both always being manned by certifiable fruitcakes of course. Or maybe that´s just it. It can´t be just oil.

The Saudis (and the other GCC countries such as Qatar, Kuwait, UAE and Bahrain) are part of the grand NATO alliance against the Iran-Russia-China axis. The Saudis and the Americans are interdependent on each other. The former needs military support from the latter, to protect itself against the Iranians and from the native Saudi Shiite population. And the latter needs oil from the former.


Title: Re: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: galdur on June 08, 2015, 05:55:24 PM
Well, this Saudi medieval garbage heap has beheaded like a hundred people so far this year. You know how the fruitcakes in charge in the U.S. and mass media whores there always are up in arms over some terriers over there in the M.E. that chop heads off people. I guess it´s much more tasteful though if it´s done by junk that smells just like you and is just as psychotic anyway.


Title: Re: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: fiN. on June 08, 2015, 05:56:26 PM
Islam... what a plague to this planet.  In fact all religions have brought nothing but pain, torture and death.

People are the plague not Islam. Islam is just a convenient scapegoat, but all religions belong in the darkages but some people refuse to move with the times.


Title: Re: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: BADecker on June 08, 2015, 06:28:42 PM
Islam... what a plague to this planet.  In fact all religions have brought nothing but pain, torture and death.

People are the plague not Islam. Islam is just a convenient scapegoat, but all religions belong in the darkages but some people refuse to move with the times.

Especially the religion of non-religion belongs to the dark ages. But Stalin, Hitler, Mao and many others used it.

:)


Title: Re: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: okae on June 08, 2015, 09:29:57 PM
is always sad to read things like that, this remember me North Korea

What is it that causes this great and eternal love between the U.S. and Saudi regimes? Apart from both always being manned by certifiable fruitcakes of course. Or maybe that´s just it. It can´t be just oil.

beleive me this will never happend, U.S have other interest that being friend like you sayd, oil...


Title: Re: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: galdur on June 08, 2015, 10:06:42 PM
is always sad to read things like that, this remember me North Korea

What is it that causes this great and eternal love between the U.S. and Saudi regimes? Apart from both always being manned by certifiable fruitcakes of course. Or maybe that´s just it. It can´t be just oil.

beleive me this will never happend, U.S have other interest that being friend like you sayd, oil...

I´m curious about those thousand lashes. Probably they don´t dish that out in full in a single session or so I hope for the guy´s sake. Maybe it´s in installments, half a dozen per day something like that ?


Title: Re: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: Okurkabinladin on June 08, 2015, 10:20:32 PM
Barbaric Law, without oil Saudi would be equivalent internationally to North Korea.

It wouldnt. Obama doesnt get it from behind from N. Korea.

I always laugh, when westerners are apalled by the fact, that "Gay pride" isnt allowed in Russia, yet they submissively crawl before feudals, who execute people for sexuality in broad daylight.


Title: Re: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: galdur on June 08, 2015, 10:37:18 PM
Amazing. This is like the fu##### fourth century. And fruitcakes in charge of countries all over the world actually have diplomatic relations with these people. Staggering.

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Saudi law allows the death penalty for many crimes. For example:

Adultery (Unmarried adulterers can be sentenced to 100 lashes, married ones can be sentenced to stoning.)
Apostasy (Apostates are sentenced to beheading but are usually given three days to repent and return to Islam.)
Armed robbery
Blasphemy
Burglary
Carjacking
Aircraft hijacking
Drug smuggling
Fornication
Home invasion
Sodomy, homosexuality, or lesbianism (If a man or woman is sodomized by their own consent, then they will also be sentenced to death along with the sodomizer)
Idolatry
Murder
Rape
Sedition
Sexual misconduct
Sorcery
Terrorism
Theft (fourth conviction)
Treason
Waging war on God
Witchcraft


Title: Re: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: UliJonHoth on June 08, 2015, 11:05:23 PM


I´m curious about those thousand lashes. Probably they don´t dish that out in full in a single session or so I hope for the guy´s sake. Maybe it´s in installments, half a dozen per day something like that ?

Yeah, they'll break them up over who knows how many sessions, reminds me of the kid that got caught tagging in Singapore in the 90s and was sentenced to being caned 4 times

Quote
The 19-year-old American who was caned in Singapore for vandalism said today that the bleeding it caused was "like a bloody nose."

The teen-ager, Michael P. Fay, said in an interview that the four strokes with a rattan cane on May 5 had left three dark-brown scars on his right buttock and four lines each about half-an-inch wide on his left buttock.

In his first description of the caning, Mr. Fay said that prison officials told him he shouted, "I'm dying," when the first stroke was delivered. He said he could not remember making the cry.

He said a prison officer stood beside him and guided him through the ordeal, saying: "O.K. Michael, three left. O.K., Michael, two left. O.K., one more; you're almost done."

The Government of Singapore has defended the punishment as a traditional part of the country's legal system. The caning strained Singapore's relations with the United States and has been seen as largely responsible for the United States' voting against holding the first summit meeting of the World Trade Organization in Singapore next year.

After confessing to vandalism, Mr. Fay was sentenced to four months in jail and six strokes with a half-inch-thick rattan cane on two counts of vandalism and possession of stolen road signs. The sentence was later reduced to four strokes.

After his confession, Mr. Fay contended that he had been coerced by police officers into saying he had spray-painting cars. The Government of Singapore denied that.

Mr. Fay had lived with his mother and stepfather in Singapore since 1992 and had attended the Singapore-American School. After being freed from prison on Tuesday, he returned to his father's home in this suburb of Dayton. Description of Caning

He said he had first looked at the scars in a mirror only two days ago. "I got a shiver down my back," he said, "and I couldn't believe I might have them for the rest of my life."

Mr. Fay said the caning, which he estimated took one minute, left a "few streaks of blood" running down his buttocks. But his description appeared less horrific than accounts of caning in the past.

"The skin did rip open," he said. "There was some blood. I mean let's not exaggerate, and let's not say a few drops or that the blood was gushing out. It was in between the two. It's like a bloody nose."

Mr. Fay said the wounds hurt for about five days, after which they itched as they healed. "The first couple of days it was very hard to sit," he said.

He said that he was able to walk immediately after the caning and that in the days after the punishment he was able to do push-ups.

Mr. Fay said he now wanted get on with finishing high school and then go to college "like any other kid in America."

http://www.nytimes.com/1994/06/26/us/us-student-tells-of-pain-of-his-caning-in-singapore.html


Title: Re: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: galdur on June 08, 2015, 11:17:41 PM
The caning strained Singapore's relations with the United States and has been seen as largely responsible for the United States' voting against holding the first summit meeting of the World Trade Organization in Singapore next year.

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ23iPEmF977QrXPsvtgHTLC1oelmJny804DlquOfRIbHzP3ZGu

http://www.wbdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Bush-Kiss.jpg

http://images.rcp.realclearpolitics.com/299121_5_.jpg

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1441300!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_635/160425959.jpg

http://www.biyokulule.com/sawiro/sawirada_waaweyn/Saudi%20king7.jpg


Title: Re: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: panju1 on June 08, 2015, 11:23:15 PM
is always sad to read things like that, this remember me North Korea

What is it that causes this great and eternal love between the U.S. and Saudi regimes? Apart from both always being manned by certifiable fruitcakes of course. Or maybe that´s just it. It can´t be just oil.

beleive me this will never happend, U.S have other interest that being friend like you sayd, oil...

I´m curious about those thousand lashes. Probably they don´t dish that out in full in a single session or so I hope for the guy´s sake. Maybe it´s in installments, half a dozen per day something like that ?

Yes, it is in installments due to medical reasons.

Badawi received his first 50 lashes in January, but subsequent floggings have been postponed.
It is not clear why Badawi has not yet endured a second round though a medical report found he was not fit for the punishment.


Title: Re: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: bryant.coleman on June 09, 2015, 02:57:03 AM
I´m curious about those thousand lashes. Probably they don´t dish that out in full in a single session or so I hope for the guy´s sake. Maybe it´s in installments, half a dozen per day something like that ?

If they administer all of them at once, the person will die of shock. I have read somewhere that in Iran, they never administer more than 100 lashes in a single day, as doing so can almost certainly cause death. In this case, I believe that the caning will be administered in installments of 50 each, carried out once a week. 


Title: Re: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: galdur on June 09, 2015, 05:30:06 AM
Saudi Ambassador Warns West On Iran Deal: "All Options On Table..." Including Nukes

Submitted by Tyler Durden on 06/08/2015 23:00 -0400

 
We previously warned of the risks of escalation in The Middle East to something much more dangerous, but, as the Saudi ambassador to UK confirmed today, the risk of Wahhabis going nuclear is even higher than many expected, "...if [Iran will not offer assurances it will not pursue nuclear weapons], then all options will be on the table for Saudi Arabia... Iran’s nuclear program poses a direct threat to the entire region and constitutes a major source and incentive for nuclear proliferation across the Middle East, including Israel."

 

Saudi Arabia is ready to acquire nuclear weapons if diplomatic talks aimed at halting Iran’s nuclear ambitions break down, the Saudi ambassador to the UK has said. As RT reports,

Prince Mohammed bin Nawwaf bin Abdulaziz al-Saud said the oil-rich Gulf kingdom hoped negotiations being led by US President Barack Obama would result in a “watertight” deal with Iran.
 
However if does not happen, then “all options are on the table,” he said.
 
...
 
Prince Mohammad told The Telegraph: “We have always expressed our support for resolving the Iranian nuclear file in a diplomatic way and through negotiation.”
 
“We commend the American president’s effort in this regard, provided that any deal reached is watertight and is not the kind of deal that offers Iran a license to continue its destabilizing foreign policies in the region. The proof is in the pudding.”
 
The Saudi ambassador said the kingdom hopes Iran will offer assurances it will not pursue nuclear weapons.
 
“But if this does not happen, then all options will be on the table for Saudi Arabia.”
 
“Iran’s nuclear program poses a direct threat to the entire region and constitutes a major source and incentive for nuclear proliferation across the Middle East, including Israel,” he added.
 
Saudi Arabia is believed to have funded up to 60 percent of Pakistan’s nuclear program, on the condition it could buy warheads at short notice.
If the Gulf state were to activate the deal, it would see Saudi Arabia become the first nuclear power in the Arab world.


Finally, if this 'threat' were to become true... what would be the Saudi catalyst of the hair-trigger big red button of doom? This perhaps?

In Major Escalation, Yemen Rebels Fire Scud Missile Into Saudi Arabia
This won't end well...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-08/saudi-ambassador-warns-west-iran-deal-all-options-table-including-nukes


Title: Re: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: cryptocoiner on June 09, 2015, 05:34:32 AM
Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes

7 June 2015
 
Raif Badawi's family have warned he could die if the 1,000 lashes are carried out
Saudi Arabia's Supreme Court has upheld the sentence of 1,000 lashes and 10 years of imprisonment on blogger Raif Badawi, despite a foreign outcry.
Speaking from Canada, his wife Ensaf Haidar told the BBC she feared his punishment would start again on Friday.
Badawi was arrested in 2012 for "insulting Islam through electronic channels".
Saudi authorities sent his case for review amidst global protests, after the first round of lashes in January.
For four years Badawi ran the Liberal Saudi Network, which encouraged online debate on religious and political issues.
Ms Haidar said she had held high hopes that her husband was about to be released, but he remained less optimistic.
When they last spoke three days ago he told her not to expect him home in the near future.
She called on the countries and rights groups that had campaigned for her husband's release to mobilise once more.
Amnesty International activists held a protest demanding the release of blogger Raif Badawi in front of the Saudi Arabian embassy in Berlin on 22 May 2015
Protests were held following Badawi's first flogging by the kingdom
Badawi received his first 50 lashes in January, but subsequent floggings have been postponed.
A shaky video taken on a mobile phone showed Badawi being lashed by a member of the security forces.
The footage prompted international protests which were repeated every Friday, the scheduled day for the beatings.
In March, the kingdom expressed "surprise and dismay" at international criticism over the punishment.
At the time, the foreign ministry issued a statement saying it rejected interference in its internal affairs.
It is not clear why Badawi has not yet endured a second round though a medical report found he was not fit for the punishment.
Saudi Arabia enforces a strict version of Islamic law and does not tolerate political dissent. It has some of the highest social media usage rates in the region, and has cracked down on domestic online criticism.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-33039815

I wonder, what would ISIS do with him, if he were blogging against ISLAM on a ISIS controlled territory? Decapitated for blogging lol. =)))))))))))


Title: Re: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: galdur on June 09, 2015, 05:44:15 AM
Well, I´m not sure if the definition of those Saudi and ISIS fruitcakes of "insulting Islam" or whatever they call it is the same as mine. In fact I doubt it. But since the Saudis help fund this ISIS thing yes it´s no surprise that both seem to like beheading people a lot.


Title: Re: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: BADecker on June 09, 2015, 05:55:45 AM
Well, I´m not sure if the definition of those Saudi and ISIS fruitcakes of "insulting Islam" or whatever they call it is the same as mine. In fact I doubt it. But since the Saudis help fund this ISIS thing yes it´s no surprise that both seem to like beheading people a lot.

They probably wouldn't use a guillotine if they could afford one. But I was curious. Was the skull and crossed swords in your avatar a before or after picture? (Just joking.)

 ;D


Title: Re: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: Falconer on June 09, 2015, 05:56:16 AM
Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes

7 June 2015
 
Raif Badawi's family have warned he could die if the 1,000 lashes are carried out
Saudi Arabia's Supreme Court has upheld the sentence of 1,000 lashes and 10 years of imprisonment on blogger Raif Badawi, despite a foreign outcry.
Speaking from Canada, his wife Ensaf Haidar told the BBC she feared his punishment would start again on Friday.
Badawi was arrested in 2012 for "insulting Islam through electronic channels".
Saudi authorities sent his case for review amidst global protests, after the first round of lashes in January.
For four years Badawi ran the Liberal Saudi Network, which encouraged online debate on religious and political issues.
Ms Haidar said she had held high hopes that her husband was about to be released, but he remained less optimistic.
When they last spoke three days ago he told her not to expect him home in the near future.
She called on the countries and rights groups that had campaigned for her husband's release to mobilise once more.
Amnesty International activists held a protest demanding the release of blogger Raif Badawi in front of the Saudi Arabian embassy in Berlin on 22 May 2015
Protests were held following Badawi's first flogging by the kingdom
Badawi received his first 50 lashes in January, but subsequent floggings have been postponed.
A shaky video taken on a mobile phone showed Badawi being lashed by a member of the security forces.
The footage prompted international protests which were repeated every Friday, the scheduled day for the beatings.
In March, the kingdom expressed "surprise and dismay" at international criticism over the punishment.
At the time, the foreign ministry issued a statement saying it rejected interference in its internal affairs.
It is not clear why Badawi has not yet endured a second round though a medical report found he was not fit for the punishment.
Saudi Arabia enforces a strict version of Islamic law and does not tolerate political dissent. It has some of the highest social media usage rates in the region, and has cracked down on domestic online criticism.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-33039815

I wonder, what would ISIS do with him, if he were blogging against ISLAM on a ISIS controlled territory? Decapitated for blogging lol. =)))))))))))

And I guess ISIS would recording the decapitation and show to us with warning sign 'don't underestimate us'.

Barbaric Law, without oil Saudi would be equivalent internationally to North Korea.

Surely.


Title: Re: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: bryant.coleman on June 09, 2015, 12:16:49 PM
I wonder, what would ISIS do with him, if he were blogging against ISLAM on a ISIS controlled territory? Decapitated for blogging lol. =)))))))))))

And the funny thing is that he wasn't really slandering Islam in any of his blog posts. He raised some valid questions and doubts, which were misinterpreted by the low-IQ Saudi religious police as blasphemy. And regarding the potential punishment in the ISIS held territory, I don't think this incident would have happened at all, as ISIS regards blogging as "unislamic".


Title: Re: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: galdur on October 29, 2015, 11:23:08 AM
Saudi blogger Raif Badawi awarded Sakharov human rights prize

Saudi blogger Raif Badawi, whose flogging sentence caused an outcry, has been awarded the European Parliament's Sakharov human rights prize.
Parliament President Martin Schulz urged Saudi King Salman "to free him, so he can accept the prize".
Mr Badawi is serving a 10-year sentence in Saudi Arabia for "insulting Islam" and is due to receive 1,000 lashes.
Earlier this month he won the Pen Pinter Prize for championing free speech.
The Sakharov freedom of thought prize has been awarded by the European Parliament since 1988 to individuals or organisations considered to have made a significant contribution to the struggle for human rights and democracy.
It is named after the Soviet scientist and dissident Andrei Sakharov.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34667260


Title: Re: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: BADecker on October 29, 2015, 12:24:46 PM
This is the difference between civil law and common law.

The United States, Canada, the U.K., Australia and others have common law as their base. Most other countries have civil law as their base.

Common law tends towards individual freedom. Civil law tends towards dictatorship, even if it is dictatorship by government.

My warning is for you to look into law in the United States and see how to promote common law, since at this place in time there is a lot of civil law being acted out, even in the U.S.

Any time government can take away your right to freely use marijuana, there is civil law dictatorship. Let there be freedom, and punish according to acts of harm and damage after the harm or damage has been done. If you punish before the crime is done, you have punished unjustly, because you can't tell for sure that the crime would have been done.

Learn common law and how to use it. Use the things expressed by the Preamble, the 6th, 7th, and 9th Amendments, without using these writings themselves. Learn how to use them in court.

Watch these 10 videos - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOkAHRzuiOA&list=PLHrkQxgz0mg6kUBciD-HIvTXByqjcIZ-D. If you don't have time to watch all 10, watch the last one. Very important.

:)


Title: Re: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: galdur on November 26, 2015, 10:32:50 PM
Ashraf Fayadh: Saudi Arabia to 'sue' Twitter user describing Palestinian poet's death sentence as 'Isis-like'
'The justice ministry will sue the person who described ... the sentencing of a man to death for apostasy as being `Isis-like',' a justice ministry source claimed


Saudi Arabia will sue any Twitter user who compares the Kingdom’s recent decision to execute a poet to punishments handed down by Isis.

Ashraf Fayadh, a 35-year-old Palestinian poet, was sentenced to death for apostasy – renouncing one’s faith – by a court in Abha on 17 November, according to documents seen by Human Rights Watch.

The sentence has provoked widespread condemnation, not only from international human rights organisations but also from legions of Twitter and other social media users.

"The justice ministry will sue the person who described ... the sentencing of a man to death for apostasy as being `Isis-like'," a justice ministry source told newspaper Al-Riyadh.


The Kingdom is yet to identify the potential Twitter user, or specify a possible penalty.

"Questioning the fairness of the courts is to question the justice of the Kingdom and its judicial system based on Islamic law, which guarantees rights and ensures human dignity", the source seemingly told the pro-government newspaper.

They claimed the Kingdom’s courts would not hesitate to put on trial "any media that slandered the religious judiciary of the Kingdom". 

Isis, also known as the Islamic State, has been accused of executing as many as 10,000 people, according to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights. However, the figures are incredibly hard to verify with any degree of accuracy.

The Kingdom, a close UK ally, has executed 152 people in 2015. It is the highest number on record since 1995, according to Amnesty International.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/ashraf-fayadh-saudi-arabia-to-sue-twitter-user-describing-palestinian-poets-death-sentence-as-isis-a6749591.html


Title: Re: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: BADecker on November 26, 2015, 11:05:45 PM
Islam... what a plague to this planet.  In fact all religions have brought nothing but pain, torture and death.

Have you ever read about Islam in your life, do not talk about any religion unless you have gone through. Islam is a religion chosen by God. Islam teaches the way of practicing every day life. Do not jump on conclusion about Islam just by the way of erratic attitude of some people in Islamic community. They are humans not angels that they do not make any mistakes. However, nowhere I support Saudi Arabia the way they handle foreign relations.

Islam is the way of slavery. Islam says to convert everyone to Islam. If they don't convert after a long while, execute them. No freedom of religion there. In addition, if anyone who is Muslim converts to something else, kill him. That's Islam for you.

:)


Title: Re: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: galdur on November 27, 2015, 04:42:43 AM
Islam... what a plague to this planet.  In fact all religions have brought nothing but pain, torture and death.

Have you ever read about Islam in your life, do not talk about any religion unless you have gone through. Islam is a religion chosen by God. Islam teaches the way of practicing every day life. Do not jump on conclusion about Islam just by the way of erratic attitude of some people in Islamic community. They are humans not angels that they do not make any mistakes. However, nowhere I support Saudi Arabia the way they handle foreign relations.

Islam is the way of slavery. Islam says to convert everyone to Islam. If they don't convert after a long while, execute them. No freedom of religion there. In addition, if anyone who is Muslim converts to something else, kill him. That's Islam for you.

:)

Well, I guess that those screwballs in charge of Saudi Arabia and their ISIS spawn are about as representative of run of the mill Muslims as Pat Robertson and similar weirdos are of Christians.

But it´s interesting how leaders of so called democracies, people who like to paint themselves as champions of human rights, grovel at the feet of those screwballs. Of course like seeks like, which is a probably a likely explanation. And whores will do pretty much anything for money.


Title: Re: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: spazzdla on November 27, 2015, 04:20:24 PM
Should rid anyone that believes in the oppressive islam from this planet.


Title: Re: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: galdur on November 27, 2015, 04:54:13 PM
Saudi Arabia executions: Kingdom to behead 50 men convicted of terrorism offences despite Shia revolt threat
Impervious to international opinion, the desert kingdom is poised to execute more than 50 people, three of whom were under 18 when their alleged crime took place. All because of a power struggle within the ruling family




Saudi authorities appear set in the next few days to carry out a series of beheadings across the country of more than 50 men convicted of terrorism offences. Among those facing execution are three young men who were juveniles when they were arrested.

The publication earlier this week of an article in the newspaper Okaz, which has close links to the Saudi Ministry of the Interior, has convinced families of the accused and concerned human-rights organisations that the executions are imminent.

Sources have said that the plan is to behead the men in several cities across the kingdom, most likely after Friday prayers.

Already this year Saudi Arabia has carried out at least 151 beheadings but these would be the first that deal with allegations of terrorism. Last year a total of 90 were executed but none were for terrorism offences. It is believed that seven of the condemned men are Shia from the region of Al-Awamiyah in the oil-rich Eastern Province. Saudi Shia have long protested over discrimination and mistreatment by the Sunni central government.

A leading Shia cleric, Sheikh Nimr al Nimr, arrested in a shootout with security forces in 2012, is among those thought to be facing execution.

The mothers of five Shia released a letter on Wednesday alleging that their sons, three of whom were juveniles at the time of their arrest, were subjected to torture while in custody. The letter says: “We affirm that our children did not kill or wound anyone. The sentences were based on confessions extracted under torture, trials that barred them from access to defence counsel and judges that displayed bias towards the prosecution.”

Baqer al Nimr, the older brother of Ali al Nimr and a nephew of Sheikh Nimr, told The Independent his brother was 17 and a juvenile when he was detained in February 2011. “Ali is a smart kid, he likes to play football, he is a photographer. He wasn’t political, he was just asking for his rights, for the rights of the Shia.”

Saudi authorities consistently dismiss such claims.

Sevag Kechichian, Amnesty International’s researcher on the Middle East and North Africa, said: “Denials are absolutely not enough when there is clear evidence that points to the contrary.”

He called for a thorough and impartial investigation of the torture allegations: “These executions should not happen. Amnesty International is against the death penalty in all circumstances.”

Last month, the Foreign Secretary, Philip Hammond, said he did “not expect [Ali] al Nimr to be executed”, indicating the decision would be a victory for British diplomacy, after the UK was criticised for its links with the Saudi government. Campaigners have called on the British Government to take a more proactive stance in raising human rights issues with the kingdom.

A group of UN experts and the European Parliament have also urged Saudi Arabia to halt the execution of Ali al Nimr. The timing of the executions, should they be carried out, has much to do with a power struggle going on between Mohammad bin Nayef, the Interior Minister and crown prince, and Mohammad bin Salman, Minister of Defence, deputy crown prince and favoured younger son of King Salman.

For several years, the 30-year-old Mohammad bin Salman has served as his ailing father’s gatekeeper – the king is believed to be suffering from dementia. But since the king ascended to the throne in January his son has amassed vast new powers. In addition to his appointment as Defence Minister, he serves as chief of the royal court, and chairman of the Council for Economic and Development Affairs.

The Shia public will not be fooled and if the executions go ahead there will be a Shia revolt
London-based Saudi, Saad al Faqih
Saad al Faqih is a Saudi critic of the ruling family living in London. “Mohammad bin Salman has taken everything,” he said, adding: “Mohammad bin Nayef wants to make a statement. He wants to be seen as very strong by killing 52 people in one go.”

Mr Faqih says that Okaz would not have gone ahead with the article without clear guidance from the Ministry of Interior: “If Okaz published, it is authentic. They would not have been allowed to publish without the express permission of Mohammad bin Nayef.” He described the condemned men as “pawns in a political game”.

Included among those facing execution are said to be supporters of al-Qaeda and Isis. Mr Faqih believes that Mohammad bin Nayef wants to claim there is no sectarian motive to the executions by including those convicted of belonging to Sunni terrorist organisations with the Shia.

“The Shia public will not be fooled and if the executions go ahead there will be a Shia revolt,” Mr Faqih added.

Baqer al Nimr says that if his brother and the others are beheaded, he hopes there will be no violence. “We do not want to be held responsible for any blood,” he said.

For now, though, his thoughts are with his kid brother. “I taught him how to ride a bike and now he is in solitary confinement and every time they open the door he must be thinking, ‘Is now the time that they have come to kill me?’”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-executions-kingdom-to-behead-50-men-convicted-of-terrorism-offences-despite-threat-of-a6750631.html


Title: Re: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: bryant.coleman on November 29, 2015, 07:20:56 PM
Should rid anyone that believes in the oppressive islam from this planet.

I don't have a problem with them if they remain confined to their stone age kingdoms (such as Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Pakistan, Kuwait, and Qatar). But right now, the world leaders are encouraging them to migrate to the saner countries. For example, Merkel want to increase the Muslim population in Germany to 20 million by 2020 (right now it is less than 4 million).


Title: Re: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: galdur on January 02, 2016, 10:38:21 PM
Angry Protesters Ransack and Torch Saudi Embassy in Iran After Mass Execution

By VICE News

January 2, 2016 | 9:40 pm

Saudi Arabia's mass execution of 47 prisoners — including prominent Shiite cleric Nimr al-Nimr — triggered unrest across the Middle East on Saturday, particularly in Iran, where protesters stormed and ransacked the Saudi embassy in Tehran.

Photos and video footage posted on Twitter by Iranian journalist Sobhan Hassanvand showed a mob of angry demonstrators smashing windows and setting fire to the Saudi diplomatic outpost in the Iranian capital.

Related: Saudi Arabia Kicked Off the New Year With 47 Executions, Including a Top Shiite Cleric


Hassanvand later reported that police had successfully dispersed the protesters, and that firefighters were attempting to put out the fire at the embassy.

Earlier in the day, Iran's supreme leader Ali Khamenei posted a picture on his website comparing Islamic State militants to Saudi officials, suggesting that there is no difference in the way they handle their critics.

https://news.vice.com/article/angry-protesters-ransack-and-torch-saudi-embassy-in-iran-after-mass-execution


Title: Re: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: Spendulus on January 03, 2016, 01:23:22 AM
Ashraf Fayadh: Saudi Arabia to 'sue' Twitter user describing Palestinian poet's death sentence as 'Isis-like'
'The justice ministry will sue the person who described ... the sentencing of a man to death for apostasy as being `Isis-like',' a justice ministry source claimed



I don't have any problem with this.

Just describe the sentencing of the man to death for apostasy as "Islamic-like."


Title: Re: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: bizerinm on January 31, 2016, 10:47:25 AM
Nothing strange for the land like that. I remember it was in papers that they condemned a 75 old man foreigner who lived in Saudi Arabia because ha had a bottle of wine in his house on 100 leashes!! Foreigners and domestic all are exposed to their law


Title: Re: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: bitsmichel on January 31, 2016, 10:52:38 AM
Should rid anyone that believes in the oppressive islam from this planet.

I don't have a problem with them if they remain confined to their stone age kingdoms (such as Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Pakistan, Kuwait, and Qatar). But right now, the world leaders are encouraging them to migrate to the saner countries. For example, Merkel want to increase the Muslim population in Germany to 20 million by 2020 (right now it is less than 4 million).
Why do the Germans even vote for Merkel? Are they brainwashed?  ???


Title: Re: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: bitgolden on January 31, 2016, 05:33:49 PM
I think this is very unfair from the Saudi government to do this to an ordinary person who just speaks his mind, expresses opinions and thoughts.
Obviously being a strict Islamic country it does go too far in its punishment for trivial offenses, I mean this is not even an offense, I guess there is no freedom in this country.


Title: Re: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: BitGlory on January 31, 2016, 06:30:27 PM
it's basicly how an ISIS government would look like


Title: Re: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: cluit on February 02, 2016, 07:14:22 AM
I think this is very unfair from the Saudi government to do this to an ordinary person who just speaks his mind, expresses opinions and thoughts.
Obviously being a strict Islamic country it does go too far in its punishment for trivial offenses, I mean this is not even an offense, I guess there is no freedom in this country.


It's strange that even in todays advanced society, people like these remain conserved in their own ways, they decide on what needs to be said and what cannot be said. What they, the top elite of saudi can do no one can challenge, but if an ordinary citizen flaunts his opinions, he/she gets lashed,,really disgraceful that.


Title: Re: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: jak1 on February 02, 2016, 11:58:13 AM
Its savage country with strict laws form past times. People who go there should know that and what can happen to them if they act in other way. It's very sad and barbarian act but i repeat again if you must go to this country study well what is allowed to do there to avoid this


Title: Re: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: galdur on March 03, 2016, 01:17:51 PM
Weirdos... Saudi Cleric Ateeq Al-Ateeq: Pictures Posted on Social Media May Cause Cancer in Children
Ahwaz TV (Saudi Arabia) - February 3, 2016 - 02:18

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/5351.htm


Title: Re: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: af_newbie on March 03, 2016, 02:15:35 PM
Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes

7 June 2015
 
Raif Badawi's family have warned he could die if the 1,000 lashes are carried out
Saudi Arabia's Supreme Court has upheld the sentence of 1,000 lashes and 10 years of imprisonment on blogger Raif Badawi, despite a foreign outcry.
Speaking from Canada, his wife Ensaf Haidar told the BBC she feared his punishment would start again on Friday.
Badawi was arrested in 2012 for "insulting Islam through electronic channels".
Saudi authorities sent his case for review amidst global protests, after the first round of lashes in January.
For four years Badawi ran the Liberal Saudi Network, which encouraged online debate on religious and political issues.
Ms Haidar said she had held high hopes that her husband was about to be released, but he remained less optimistic.
When they last spoke three days ago he told her not to expect him home in the near future.
She called on the countries and rights groups that had campaigned for her husband's release to mobilise once more.
Amnesty International activists held a protest demanding the release of blogger Raif Badawi in front of the Saudi Arabian embassy in Berlin on 22 May 2015
Protests were held following Badawi's first flogging by the kingdom
Badawi received his first 50 lashes in January, but subsequent floggings have been postponed.
A shaky video taken on a mobile phone showed Badawi being lashed by a member of the security forces.
The footage prompted international protests which were repeated every Friday, the scheduled day for the beatings.
In March, the kingdom expressed "surprise and dismay" at international criticism over the punishment.
At the time, the foreign ministry issued a statement saying it rejected interference in its internal affairs.
It is not clear why Badawi has not yet endured a second round though a medical report found he was not fit for the punishment.
Saudi Arabia enforces a strict version of Islamic law and does not tolerate political dissent. It has some of the highest social media usage rates in the region, and has cracked down on domestic online criticism.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-33039815

Where are the Muslim demonstrations to condemn such behavior? 

Religion of peace my ass.  At best, it is a 6th century mythology and moral code.


 


Title: Re: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: af_newbie on March 03, 2016, 02:22:49 PM
Weirdos... Saudi Cleric Ateeq Al-Ateeq: Pictures Posted on Social Media May Cause Cancer in Children
Ahwaz TV (Saudi Arabia) - February 3, 2016 - 02:18

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/5351.htm

LOL.  Funny how he quantify all his reasons with "By Allah..."

"By Allah, I got a diarrhea from watching this guy." ;)





Title: Re: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: galdur on March 03, 2016, 07:41:07 PM
David Cameron backs 'brilliant' arms deals with Saudi Arabia... hours after Europe says we should ban them
'We've got more work to do in Saudi Arabia'


Matt Payton Friday 26 February 2016

David Cameron has praised British arms companies that have done business with Saudi Arabia - hours after the European Parliament voted for an arms trade embargo with the Kingdom.

The Prime Minister made the comments during a question and answer session with BAE Systems employees in Preston.

Mr Cameron said he was proud of the "brilliant things" BAE had sold to the Middle Eastern country such as the Eurofighter Typhoon.

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On Thursday morning, the European Parliament voted in favour of an EU-wide embargo.

A resolution calling for a ban on all weapons sales to the country was passed by 359 votes to 212. The non-binding motion called on member states to stop selling weapons to the country, which is currently conducting a widely-criticised military operation in neighbouring Yemen marked by high civilian casualties.

The Saudi government has bought £3 billion of UK aircraft, arms and other defence products in 2015.


Smoke rises after a Saudi-led air strike hit an army base in Sanaa, Yemen, last week

"I can see the planes being built right behind me here. We’ve got more work to do in Saudi Arabia," Mr Cameron told the assembled BAE employees.

"The Germans have done a lot of work as well. It is a collaborative project.

"We use the collective skills but also the collaborative muscles of all the governments to try and help make sure we can sell them around the world."

He announced his planned defence of BAE's international trade: "I’m going to be spending a lot of the next four months talking about this issue but I promise I will not be taking my eye off the ball, making sure the brilliant things you make here at BAE Systems are available and sold all over the world.

"We have some of the toughest rules on defence exports – and rightly so.

"But I think it is absolutely right to get behind companies like this … to safeguard jobs and and skills and investment by making sure we can sell these things around the world."

On Wednesday, an Amnesty report said the UK is setting a “dangerous precedent” to the rest of the world by continuing to supply arms to questionable regimes such as Saudi Arabia".

The report criticised the Government's continuing arms exports to Saudi Arabia in the face of claims that the country may be responsible for atrocities in Yemen.

A government spokesperson told the Independent:"This is an issue we take very seriously and we regularly raise human rights concerns with the Saudi government at the highest level.

"The Prime Minister has been clear that we have one of the most robust arms export control regimes in the world.

"All UK export licenses are assessed on a case by case basis and we’re satisfied that our licences for Saudi Arabia are fully in line with our international and legal obligations."

Oliver Sprague from Amnesty International told the Guardian: "The ‘brilliant things’ that David Cameron says BAE sells include massive amounts of weaponry for the Saudi Arabia military, despite Saudi Arabia’s dreadful record in Yemen.

“Thousands of Yemeni civilians have been killed and injured in devastating and indiscriminate Saudi coalition air strikes, and there’s strong evidence that further weapons sales to Saudi Arabia are not just ill-advised but actually illegal."

Shadow Foreign Secretary Hilary Benn has called for a review of arms export licences as a result of the air strikes in Yemen, as they suggest international law has been broken.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/david-cameron-praises-british-arms-trade-with-saudi-arabia-despite-eu-arms-embargo-vote-hours-a6896921.html


Title: Re: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: bryant.coleman on March 05, 2016, 07:16:29 AM
Where are the Muslim demonstrations to condemn such behavior?  Religion of peace my ass.  At best, it is a 6th century mythology and moral code.

The Muslims won't demonstrate against it, because they support such measures. No matter how educated a Muslim is, he will support death sentence for Apostasy, stoning for adultery (applicable only to females, obviously), and execution for sodomy.etc. Some of them, especially those living in the Western nations will claim on the outside that they are against these measures. But the truth remains that on the inside they support these barbarities.


Title: Re: Saudi court upholds blogger's 10 years and 1,000 lashes
Post by: galdur on March 07, 2016, 12:18:37 PM

http://cdn2.img.sputniknews.com/images/103588/75/1035887593.jpg

Honor for Sale? The French Lash Out at Hollande for Awarding Saudi Prince © AFP 2016/ STEPHANE DE SAKUTIN
EUROPE

09:58 07.03.2016 (updated 10:14 07.03.2016)

The French have lashed out at their president for “discrediting” and “devaluating” their highest honor, the Legion d'Honneur, after it was “quietly” awarded to Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Naif during his visit to Paris, just months after his country executed 47 people on New Year's Day.

The French president has been accused of devaluing its highest national honor after the Legion of Honour was quietly awarded to the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia on a visit to Paris....

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160307/1035889126/france-award-saudi-prince.html