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Why ISIS winning in Iraq? Can someone explain? Iraqi's army was armed and trained by America. So what is the problem? I can understand why ISIS is winning in Syria such that country ruined in civil war. But why Iraq is losing? What is is about ISIS?

Because simply America it self is also helping ISIS by providing weapons , and I've seen a lot of videos where Americain planes dropped weapons to ISIS then "woops , we made a mistake" .
Also ISIS leader (or leaders) are trained by mossad & CIA so it's not only the Iraq Army who is well trained .

What's your source on this? I haven't read about this.

The Iraq army was trained by the Americans but it's not like they were trained like a full on army...it was more of militia training. Iraq needs to take control of itself, have the balls to want to fight to save its country (which many of their recruits don't), they need to spend money to build up supplies, arms, and equipment to fight the big fights.

The safety of the region needs to come from within the region. It's time for them to fight for their own survival.

Iraqi forces is lacking cohesion and have no will to fight. Although they outnumbered the ISS fighters, but they still lose on many battles.They accuses US had failed to provide good equipment, weapons and aerial support.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/25/iraqi-army-lacks-moral-cohesion-to-fight-isis-says-uk-military-chief

Though Iraqi forces outnumbers ISIS in terms of troops, the coordination between Iraqi troops and the guts to fight ISIS is missing. It is true that the US trained Iraqi forces, but not to the extent that the whole army is being trained (according to one article that I've read, only 5000 Iraqi troops are given basic weapons and tactics training. More info here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the-us-military-is-back-training-troops-in-iraq-but-its-a-little-different-this-time/2015/01/08/11b9aa58-95f2-11e4-8385-866293322c2f_story.html)

There are no bad soldiers only bad officers, and Iraq seems to have an unlimited supply of bad officers.  This seems to be largely a product of endemic corruption in the Iraqi political system and the fact that officer appointments in the army are made based on political reliability rather than ability.

That leads to breakdowns like we've recently seen where 50 ISIS guys show up in a truck, set off some huge car bombs and scare the Iraqi officers who promptly run away.  The Iraqi soldiers, seeing their officers flee, promptly do so as well, leaving large stockpiles of equipment.

Having a US trained and equipped army is no guarantee of victory, just ask the people living in southern Vietnam.  (Though the South Vietnamese were outnumbered.)

The ISIS is winning the war, due to the following reasons:

1. Sunni Arabs, fed up with the discrimination from Baghdad are joining ISIS in large numbers
2. ISIS is receiving funds from Qatar and Saudi Arabia
3. Right now, the total strength of the ISIS is somewhere between 50,000 and 100,000 militants, including large numbers with prior military experience (former Iraqi soldiers, Chechens.etc).

is not the first time i read it, well to tell you the truth i like all those conspiracy theories,  sometimes you can get more info from them than from tv news...

btw never forget it guys, nobody win on a war, nobody, in the end only few ppl win on a war, those rich ppl who start it.

Because, all of warriors of the ISIS also are trained by other strong army countries. The warriors of ISIS prepared for this war very long time and they have very strong support from a lot of Islamian peoples. It si one of the reason because the ISIS winning in the war in Iraq. A lot of warriors of the ISIS came in Iraq from the other countries around the Europe ( the most of them from Belgium and France, also Bosnia and Herzegovina). Do you know that is the most brutal warrior in the ISIS from Belgium?

For the weapons , I've seen videos of Americain planes dropping weapons on ISIS areas .
for the mossad & CIA thing , it's leaked documents by Edward Snowden and others , Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi have even Isralien (Jewish) name . and a lot of leaked pictures of him shows that he isn't really a real Muslim .

In a leaked December 2009 cable, then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton admitted that, "Saudi Arabia remains a critical financial support base for al-Qa'ida, the Taliban, LeT [Lashkar-e-Taiba in Pakistan] and other terrorist groups. Unfortunately for Saudi Arabia, ISIS, the anti-Shia insurgency it helped to create, is now rumbling about taking over Saudi Arabia when it's done wiping out the Shias in Iraq and Syria.

I don't think that the ISIS pose any threat to the Saudis, as there is hardly any differences between the two sides. Do you remember the Grand Mosque seizure in 1979? Although the Saudis executed Juhayman al-Otaybi and his followers, the King gave more powers to the religious puritans in the immediate aftermath. The Saudi reaction to the ISIS will be the same. King Salman will make Saudi Arabia even more conservative, to make sure that no differences exist between the ISIS and the KSA.

How ISIS don't pose any threat on the Saudis while they bombed couple of mosquees  (I know it's shia mosque) & in the last couple of weeks and they admitted that the attack was from them ?? however it's basically intelligence agencies fault because they are the one who should be able to stop those things .

There are many reasons actually some were already mentioned so I will not go trough them but here are some that weren't mentioned yet :

1- would be that Shiaa were mistreating Sunnis and things became worse after Shiaa took full power of the country, hence Sunnis don't feel the need to fight against ISIS and there are even that find sympathy in these murderers since one of their doctrine is they are there to defend Sunnis.

2- Iraq army is non existent since the US destroyed the country, no moral, no one cares, the people that had the experience are dead, only inexperienced youngsteer that get recruted fights (mostly) and they are on against ISIS they don't hold a candle especially knowing that there are people from Saddam Husseins army that joined ISIS and know what they are doing.

3-Saudi/Iran influence war over the country.

Its quite hard to defeat islamists, who have material and intelligence support of the Westerners. Personally, I believe, that western elite already decided, that they rather isolate wahabbi threat in one battlefield, rather than face their failed multiculturalism experiment head on. Plus sunni radicals also tie down local shia strenght represented by Iran.

Hmmm, apparently -due to their own training- U.S. trainers have spent more time on getting the Iraqis high on booze and shit and then inspecting each others´dicks than actual military training.

Exclusive: Doctor who trained U.S. troops suspended for macabre techniques

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/08/us-usa-doctor-probe-idUSKBN0OO2E720150608

ISIS doesn't win every time. The Kurds in northern Iraq have defeated ISIS forces on multiple occasions, fighting like professional soldiers. Why they are doing rather well compared to the actual Iraqi military is a good question.

The Iraqi military, on the other hand, hasn't done so well. They have retreated and run off without putting up a fight before, as the American defense secretary has stated publicly. Maybe it's a problem of motivation. Maybe some of them secretly sympathize with ISIS. Maybe they are not trained very well or not equipped well enough.

Why one military force beats another could due to any number of factors. It's probably a combination of numerous different things. I doubt there's really a conclusive answer to this question; it calls for speculation since nobody has all the relevant information.

ISIS isn't winning shit....take a look at this map, and see where 80% of all the oil fields are and who is actually winning...

http://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/1398894/iraq-map-23.0.jpg

You will notice that the vast majority of the oil fields are under Iraqi control and the US is milking the shit out of that dead Iraqi cow....ISIS is only getting some leftovers from the US, although they are the favorite "bomb testers" for coalition airstrikes....kaboom :)


Through the fog of war, it is maps like these that show you who is really winning...control the resources and you will control the war...pretty much like in any strategy game ( Age of Empires, Starcraft :))  Except that some players control real armies, however same principles apply...

The simple reason is that the Kurds are very much motivated, while the Iraqi soldiers are not so. The Iraqi army is inexperienced, and lack proper fighting skills. Although they possess advanced weaponry which was given to them by the United States, as of now they can't be compared with the Peshmerga, which is having decades of fighting experience.

Don't underastimate the power of fanatics and lunatics. It can do wonders if they are properly equipped. Not saying anything about Muslims though, don't get me wrong, it's just that those extremist have a strong motive in jihad and Kur'an, which is probably the main reason they are winning.

Motivation alone doesn't explain their gains. The Kurdish Peshmerga fighters are even more motivated, when compared to the ISIS terrorists. Actually, it is the technological advantage which is aiding the ISIS. Right now, they are having some 2,300 US-made Humvees and tens of thousands of heavy machine guns with them, while the Kurds are armed only with light machine guns.

remember that really big iraqi army that usa kicked to the curb?  they became the insurgency?  well that is where all the good soldiers went.  You can train all you want but its not going to make a good army over night.  The iraq reconstruction was so poorly handled that it is hard to believe that it was not on purpose.

Wath PBS Frontline - The Rise of ISIS (http://video.pbs.org/video/2365356572/)

ISIS is winning, because we are not really at war with them. We allowed them to take and arm themselves from Iraqi arsenal's.

This ISIS is winning just because of the constant supply of the US-made weapons (delivered either intentionally or unintentionally). In addition to the 2,300 humvees and APCs which were gifted to them in Mosul, the ISIS also got significant deliveries of weapons when various factions of the FSA defected and then merged with them.

so they are using iraq soldiers also, this is why they have the advantages, they any kind of soldier in their big tropps, they can recruit some strong old green berets or mercenary, or people that have enough experience in war, not to mentions their big numbers of soldiers


why USA is helping them, or why they have access to apc? this gift was something that happened before the isis creation or what?

Why would saudi arabia supports ISIS? Don't they understand that ISIS is a treat for all arabic world? Saudi Arabia going to be next. ISIS would definetely try to capture Mecca and Medina after taking all syria and Iraq.

Sunni against Shia or vice versa.
They have been fighting and killing each others last millenium.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shia%E2%80%93Sunni_relations

west making them kill each other

ISIS has released images of militants celebrating, children wielding automatic weapons and a fleet of pick-up trucks carrying its jubilant fighters through the blood-stained streets of Ramadi.

The ISIS guys are not idiots. They have restricted their fighting to Syria and Iraq. Despite sharing a 1,000 km border with Turkey, they have never attacked a single Turkish location. The same goes for Saudi Arabia and Israel as well. The ISIS is having tacit understandings with these countries. They will never attack them.

2nd IS in ISIS stands for 'Iraq and Syria'. No wonder they are focusing on Iraq and Syria only at this time. Once they control Iraq and Syria, things will be different.
ISIS is cancer. They will spread to other areas eventually.

Thats strange they are not attacking israel. Seems Israel and jews are natural enemies for radical muslims. Well israel is strong for them now, but they definetely will try to destroy Israel after syria and iraq. So Israel should take care.

The ISIS is active in a large number of other nations, such as Libya, Yemen, Nigeria, Cameroon, and Afghanistan in addition to Syria and Iraq. But as of now, they have refrained themselves from attacking Turkey, KSA, and Israel.


They are not attacking Israel, because they receive tacit support from Israel. Israel want to replace the Assad regime in Syria at any cost. They have attacked the Syrian army positions inside Syria, which in turn helped the ISIS to advance.

As far as I know, ISIS is spread in many countries. They are well-equipped in war-fare. They have all the arms and ammunition, lot of money. With lucrative offers, they are recruiting more youngsters from many countries, such as Pakistan, India, Afghanistan, etc.

Exactly. ISIS fighters had already encountered both Israeli and Turkish troops near respective borders, result was stand off every time. Only people, who fight ISIS consistently are representatives of Syrias govenment and religious minorities (including Shia muslims), who pretty much face anihilation, if the western backed Islamists win.

Do you have any proof to support your theory?

Not only the religious minorities, but large numbers of Sunni Arabs (who are the majority) are also fighting in the Assad's armed forces. Only a part of the Sunni Arabs sympathize with the ISIS, and other opposition factions such as the FSA and the Al Nusra. But I don't have sufficient knowledge to make the claim that a particular percentage of Sunni Arabs support Assad.

they will lose to the world eventually. It is only a matter of time.

I like your optimism. But real question is how many innocent poeple have to die before that happens? Millions?

If this world campaign is going to be led by the same nutcases that created the mess in the first place one thing is for absolutely 100% sure: We´ll end up with an even worse mess.

That's true. If the Americans launch an all out attack against the ISIS, it will be viewed in the Muslim world as an American war against Islam, and the radical Islamists all over the world would travel to Iraq and Syria, to fight against the American troops. The fight will lag on for months, or even years, with no one really winning.

They are trapped in the desert and forced to hide from airstrikes all day.  Are they really winning?

Don't make me laugh. The American airstrikes are a joke. They are not creating any problems at all for the ISIS. If the airstrikes had any effect at all, then how the ISIS was able to conquer new territory? (Palmyra, Ramadi.etc). I have a feeling that the air-strikes are a clever strategy by the Americans to create a smoke screen, in order to liquidate Assad.

There is no air strikes powerful enoght to stop ISIS actually. Theese airstrikes is just an image on an american TV. They maybe hitting one or two targets per week. It's not a problem for ISIS. They keep advancing. USA just want them to destroy Assad. That's it.

Even so, taking Ramadi and holding it are two different things. Evidence from previous battles suggests that ISIS doesn't do defense as well as offense, and it is still vastly outnumbered by Iraqi forces. But the longer ISIS fighters are entrenched anywhere, the more difficult they are to expel, and the Iraqi Security Forces clearly aren't capable of the task alone.

The ISIS is having only around 50,000 to 100,000 active fighters, which is just about a tenth of the combined strength of the Iraqi Army, Shiite militias and the Peshmerga. Most of these fighters are used for offensive operations, with very few available for holding the territory. When their opponents launch offensives against them, the ISIS conducts tactical withdrawals, in order to minimize the casualties. But as soon as the offensive operations cease, the terrorists move back to reclaim the lost areas.

The short answer is they are winning because we didn't Nuke them out when we could have.

There is no need for this campaign to be led by the same nutcases.

Why will you not allow other nutcases an equal chance to fuck things up?

The only viable option is to launch a ground operation under the command of the United Nations, in Syria and Iraq against the ISIS. Countries such as Russia, the United States, China, India and Germany should provide soldiers for such an operation. The ISIS should be eradicated once and for all. And a sizable contingent of the UN peacekeepers should be maintained in both Iraq and Syria, to make sure that the remnants of the ISIS will never surface again.

There's really nothing wrong with stationing ground troops in areas that have some basic instability and more of such expected in the future.  The UN "peacekeepers" have had some pretty sordid track records of course, and there are cases where they had guns.

But no bullets.

Anything will be better than the current ISIS regime in vast areas of Iraq and Syria. Recently, there have been a lot of scandals involving the UN peacekeepers (esp. in Congo and Haiti), but still they will do a better job than the ISIS and the Iraqi army. But patrolling such a huge area will require tens of thousands of soldiers.