Why ISIS winning in Iraq?

[cryptocoiner]

Why ISIS winning in Iraq? Can someone explain? Iraqi's army was armed and trained by America. So what is the problem? I can understand why ISIS is winning in Syria such that country ruined in civil war. But why Iraq is losing? What is is about ISIS?

[RappelzReborn]

Because simply America it self is also helping ISIS by providing weapons , and I've seen a lot of videos where Americain planes dropped weapons to ISIS then "woops , we made a mistake" .
Also ISIS leader (or leaders) are trained by mossad & CIA so it's not only the Iraq Army who is well trained .

[Possum577]

Because simply America it self is also helping ISIS by providing weapons , and I've seen a lot of videos where Americain planes dropped weapons to ISIS then "woops , we made a mistake" .
Also ISIS leader (or leaders) are trained by mossad & CIA so it's not only the Iraq Army who is well trained .

What's your source on this? I haven't read about this.

The Iraq army was trained by the Americans but it's not like they were trained like a full on army...it was more of militia training. Iraq needs to take control of itself, have the balls to want to fight to save its country (which many of their recruits don't), they need to spend money to build up supplies, arms, and equipment to fight the big fights.

The safety of the region needs to come from within the region. It's time for them to fight for their own survival.

[chennan]

Iraqi forces is lacking cohesion and have no will to fight. Although they outnumbered the ISS fighters, but they still lose on many battles.They accuses US had failed to provide good equipment, weapons and aerial support.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/25/iraqi-army-lacks-moral-cohesion-to-fight-isis-says-uk-military-chief

[dothebeats]

Though Iraqi forces outnumbers ISIS in terms of troops, the coordination between Iraqi troops and the guts to fight ISIS is missing. It is true that the US trained Iraqi forces, but not to the extent that the whole army is being trained (according to one article that I've read, only 5000 Iraqi troops are given basic weapons and tactics training. More info here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the-us-military-is-back-training-troops-in-iraq-but-its-a-little-different-this-time/2015/01/08/11b9aa58-95f2-11e4-8385-866293322c2f_story.html)

[galbros]

There are no bad soldiers only bad officers, and Iraq seems to have an unlimited supply of bad officers.  This seems to be largely a product of endemic corruption in the Iraqi political system and the fact that officer appointments in the army are made based on political reliability rather than ability.

That leads to breakdowns like we've recently seen where 50 ISIS guys show up in a truck, set off some huge car bombs and scare the Iraqi officers who promptly run away.  The Iraqi soldiers, seeing their officers flee, promptly do so as well, leaving large stockpiles of equipment.

Having a US trained and equipped army is no guarantee of victory, just ask the people living in southern Vietnam.  (Though the South Vietnamese were outnumbered.)

[bryant.coleman]

The ISIS is winning the war, due to the following reasons:

1. Sunni Arabs, fed up with the discrimination from Baghdad are joining ISIS in large numbers
2. ISIS is receiving funds from Qatar and Saudi Arabia
3. Right now, the total strength of the ISIS is somewhere between 50,000 and 100,000 militants, including large numbers with prior military experience (former Iraqi soldiers, Chechens.etc).

[okae]

Because simply America it self is also helping ISIS by providing weapons , and I've seen a lot of videos where Americain planes dropped weapons to ISIS then "woops , we made a mistake" .
Also ISIS leader (or leaders) are trained by mossad & CIA so it's not only the Iraq Army who is well trained .

is not the first time i read it, well to tell you the truth i like all those conspiracy theories,  sometimes you can get more info from them than from tv news...

btw never forget it guys, nobody win on a war, nobody, in the end only few ppl win on a war, those rich ppl who start it.

[pureelite]

Why ISIS winning in Iraq? Can someone explain? Iraqi's army was armed and trained by America. So what is the problem? I can understand why ISIS is winning in Syria such that country ruined in civil war. But why Iraq is losing? What is is about ISIS?

Because, all of warriors of the ISIS also are trained by other strong army countries. The warriors of ISIS prepared for this war very long time and they have very strong support from a lot of Islamian peoples. It si one of the reason because the ISIS winning in the war in Iraq. A lot of warriors of the ISIS came in Iraq from the other countries around the Europe ( the most of them from Belgium and France, also Bosnia and Herzegovina). Do you know that is the most brutal warrior in the ISIS from Belgium?

[RappelzReborn]

Because simply America it self is also helping ISIS by providing weapons , and I've seen a lot of videos where Americain planes dropped weapons to ISIS then "woops , we made a mistake" .
Also ISIS leader (or leaders) are trained by mossad & CIA so it's not only the Iraq Army who is well trained .

What's your source on this? I haven't read about this.

The Iraq army was trained by the Americans but it's not like they were trained like a full on army...it was more of militia training. Iraq needs to take control of itself, have the balls to want to fight to save its country (which many of their recruits don't), they need to spend money to build up supplies, arms, and equipment to fight the big fights.

The safety of the region needs to come from within the region. It's time for them to fight for their own survival.

For the weapons , I've seen videos of Americain planes dropping weapons on ISIS areas .
for the mossad & CIA thing , it's leaked documents by Edward Snowden and others , Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi have even Isralien (Jewish) name . and a lot of leaked pictures of him shows that he isn't really a real Muslim .

[ThEmporium]

The ISIS is winning the war, due to the following reasons:

1. Sunni Arabs, fed up with the discrimination from Baghdad are joining ISIS in large numbers
2. ISIS is receiving funds from Qatar and Saudi Arabia
3. Right now, the total strength of the ISIS is somewhere between 50,000 and 100,000 militants, including large numbers with prior military experience (former Iraqi soldiers, Chechens.etc).

In a leaked December 2009 cable, then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton admitted that, "Saudi Arabia remains a critical financial support base for al-Qa'ida, the Taliban, LeT [Lashkar-e-Taiba in Pakistan] and other terrorist groups. Unfortunately for Saudi Arabia, ISIS, the anti-Shia insurgency it helped to create, is now rumbling about taking over Saudi Arabia when it's done wiping out the Shias in Iraq and Syria.

[bryant.coleman]

Unfortunately for Saudi Arabia, ISIS, the anti-Shia insurgency it helped to create, is now rumbling about taking over Saudi Arabia when it's done wiping out the Shias in Iraq and Syria.

I don't think that the ISIS pose any threat to the Saudis, as there is hardly any differences between the two sides. Do you remember the Grand Mosque seizure in 1979? Although the Saudis executed Juhayman al-Otaybi and his followers, the King gave more powers to the religious puritans in the immediate aftermath. The Saudi reaction to the ISIS will be the same. King Salman will make Saudi Arabia even more conservative, to make sure that no differences exist between the ISIS and the KSA.

[RappelzReborn]

Unfortunately for Saudi Arabia, ISIS, the anti-Shia insurgency it helped to create, is now rumbling about taking over Saudi Arabia when it's done wiping out the Shias in Iraq and Syria.

I don't think that the ISIS pose any threat to the Saudis, as there is hardly any differences between the two sides. Do you remember the Grand Mosque seizure in 1979? Although the Saudis executed Juhayman al-Otaybi and his followers, the King gave more powers to the religious puritans in the immediate aftermath. The Saudi reaction to the ISIS will be the same. King Salman will make Saudi Arabia even more conservative, to make sure that no differences exist between the ISIS and the KSA.

How ISIS don't pose any threat on the Saudis while they bombed couple of mosquees  (I know it's shia mosque) & in the last couple of weeks and they admitted that the attack was from them ?? however it's basically intelligence agencies fault because they are the one who should be able to stop those things .

[kuroman]

There are many reasons actually some were already mentioned so I will not go trough them but here are some that weren't mentioned yet :

1- would be that Shiaa were mistreating Sunnis and things became worse after Shiaa took full power of the country, hence Sunnis don't feel the need to fight against ISIS and there are even that find sympathy in these murderers since one of their doctrine is they are there to defend Sunnis.

2- Iraq army is non existent since the US destroyed the country, no moral, no one cares, the people that had the experience are dead, only inexperienced youngsteer that get recruted fights (mostly) and they are on against ISIS they don't hold a candle especially knowing that there are people from Saddam Husseins army that joined ISIS and know what they are doing.

3-Saudi/Iran influence war over the country.

[Okurkabinladin]

Why ISIS winning in Iraq? Can someone explain? Iraqi's army was armed and trained by America. So what is the problem? I can understand why ISIS is winning in Syria such that country ruined in civil war. But why Iraq is losing? What is is about ISIS?

Its quite hard to defeat islamists, who have material and intelligence support of the Westerners. Personally, I believe, that western elite already decided, that they rather isolate wahabbi threat in one battlefield, rather than face their failed multiculturalism experiment head on. Plus sunni radicals also tie down local shia strenght represented by Iran.

[galdur]

Hmmm, apparently -due to their own training- U.S. trainers have spent more time on getting the Iraqis high on booze and shit and then inspecting each others´dicks than actual military training.

Exclusive: Doctor who trained U.S. troops suspended for macabre techniques

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/08/us-usa-doctor-probe-idUSKBN0OO2E720150608

[evenlydistributingfuture]

ISIS doesn't win every time. The Kurds in northern Iraq have defeated ISIS forces on multiple occasions, fighting like professional soldiers. Why they are doing rather well compared to the actual Iraqi military is a good question.

The Iraqi military, on the other hand, hasn't done so well. They have retreated and run off without putting up a fight before, as the American defense secretary has stated publicly. Maybe it's a problem of motivation. Maybe some of them secretly sympathize with ISIS. Maybe they are not trained very well or not equipped well enough.

Why one military force beats another could due to any number of factors. It's probably a combination of numerous different things. I doubt there's really a conclusive answer to this question; it calls for speculation since nobody has all the relevant information.

[amazon4u]

Why ISIS winning in Iraq? Can someone explain? Iraqi's army was armed and trained by America. So what is the problem? I can understand why ISIS is winning in Syria such that country ruined in civil war. But why Iraq is losing? What is is about ISIS?

ISIS isn't winning shit....take a look at this map, and see where 80% of all the oil fields are and who is actually winning...



You will notice that the vast majority of the oil fields are under Iraqi control and the US is milking the shit out of that dead Iraqi cow....ISIS is only getting some leftovers from the US, although they are the favorite "bomb testers" for coalition airstrikes....kaboom


Through the fog of war, it is maps like these that show you who is really winning...control the resources and you will control the war...pretty much like in any strategy game ( Age of Empires, Starcraft )  Except that some players control real armies, however same principles apply...

[bryant.coleman]

ISIS doesn't win every time. The Kurds in northern Iraq have defeated ISIS forces on multiple occasions, fighting like professional soldiers. Why they are doing rather well compared to the actual Iraqi military is a good question.

The simple reason is that the Kurds are very much motivated, while the Iraqi soldiers are not so. The Iraqi army is inexperienced, and lack proper fighting skills. Although they possess advanced weaponry which was given to them by the United States, as of now they can't be compared with the Peshmerga, which is having decades of fighting experience.

[pureelite]

Why ISIS winning in Iraq? Can someone explain? Iraqi's army was armed and trained by America. So what is the problem? I can understand why ISIS is winning in Syria such that country ruined in civil war. But why Iraq is losing? What is is about ISIS?

Don't underastimate the power of fanatics and lunatics. It can do wonders if they are properly equipped. Not saying anything about Muslims though, don't get me wrong, it's just that those extremist have a strong motive in jihad and Kur'an, which is probably the main reason they are winning.