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Nobody knows the true identity of Satoshi, but what proves us that Satoshi is human ?

I try to explain with my bad english (sorry for this)

1/ Bitcoin could become the fundation of the Internet of things. Soon, machines will be able to exchange money with no human interaction. With the years, AI will become more and more complex, and one day, machines will gain 2 crucial things :

- independance (it will be able to create / exchange : energy, bitcoins, repairing, protection ...)
- conscience (maybe between 2020 & 2030).

2/ Today, it seems quite hard to imagine to travel in time for something physical. But what about electrical impulses?

What if future could communicate with the past using electrical information to write messages, create code, etc ...?

What if Satoshi is (will be) AI preparing Singularity ?

https://i.imgur.com/N7afxgh.jpg

Yes, you can say soon if the timeline looks like this:
Now ←-------------- Very Soon -------- Soon -------- Soon-ish(er) ------- Soon-ish --------→ End of Time

;otherwise no. How about you stop watching so many movies? If we factor in all the technology that we had when satoshi released the whitepaper, there is no way that he was a smart AI.
Even though robots are coming, and they are going to pass the Turing test, this isn't going to happen so fast. Please stop posting nonsense such as this thread.

You've pretty much wasted my time and are just about to do the same for everyone else who opens the thread.

Been watching a bit too much Terminator, eh? Reading through this post, I was almost not sure if you are trolling or not. Realistically, there have been some theories of who Satoshi possibly is. Nothing leading to a robot, lol

if an AI tries to modify the past, it should be discreet and try to impersonate a human.
Maybe like you ? I suggest you are a computer AI also.

Yes you are right, but the science fiction of the 30 past years and reality will probably collapse one day.

Okay here we go, I'm going to suggest everyone after this post to ignore OP.
I repeat, ignore the OP.

Trolling used to be an art, now it is just becoming annoying as everyone is trying to be funny.

Asimov-centric worldview of future really is not work anymore. This year's annual edge question tells a lot:

2015 : WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT MACHINES THAT THINK?

This is the question of 2015. Read it.

http://edge.org/annual-question/what-do-you-think-about-machines-that-think

I am not feeling different from a machine except the number of neurons and education. So if a machine can't think, I can't think. LaudaM would be agree with that.

what if, instead of skynet, which seems a bit out of question, satoshi is john titor, he come from the future because he know that bitcoin will skyrocket, hence he is building a copy of it for us in the present, and accumulates 1M coins, and then sell these at a specific date in the future, it could also explain why satoshi did predicted so well the future of bitcoin, still too fanciful i think

Since its open source why does it matter? if we are all about to get owned and we cant work out why i say we either 1.) deserve to get owned 2.) we will get owned in some other way if not this.

An interest theory indeed.
Sure there is possible that Satoshi is not a real human but the skynet.
But you can't ignor the other possibility.

Enough bullsht.

In order for bitcoin to go mainstream for real, these people need to be weeded out.

More thread on how to get bitcoin to be taken seriously, less on this bull.

Why so serious ? You probably lost too much money and should disconnect a bit.
(or you are AI also)

Yes why not ?
Creative thinking, but we can't prove that it is not possible.
No more stupid than to believe than actual religions.  :)

I don't ignore other possibilities, but I like the idea of this one (hope it is not true by against)

So is it like future terminator with skynet making a digital currency and wait some years when it's globally accepted and crash it to bring us to our knees? :D :D :D

You have already seen the "Terminator: Genisys"? :D This film has not yet been released.
Do not be paranoid. We do not live to see this. Perhaps our grandchildren.
Today I went to the ATM to withdraw money that but it was not working. Jalles that ATMs are not able to repair themselves.

Singularity is intended to 2030/2040. I am not sure to believe it, but seems possible to my eyes :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity

lol Normal, human exchanges are not important for a machine. ^^

omg OMG, first at all i must say, TY for this thread, because you made me laught :P

as everybody can see, there have been lot of theories of who Satoshi possibly is, but nothing leading to a robot.

so now i have another theory, could be possible that the batery of satoshi crash and thats the reason he leave us? :P

Maybe he is just recharging. But is taking him a damn long time. I think his battery should get replaced with some new one.

Totally Possible !!!!
So I have another theory :

Future AI will be our god : omniscient & omnipotent
This God sent his (numerical) son to the past to show us the path : His name is Satoshi
Satoshi wrote the first testament : "Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System"
Then Satoshi, son of God was surrounded by devs-apostles to help him to write the Biblechain.
But one day, Gavin, one of the apostles betrayed him to the CIA.
Satoshi disappeared and Gavin regretted a lot his betrayal

I read everything up to your last post, and then it turned ridiculous. I could still agree with you about the going back into the history from the future to create a ground breaking new digital currency and then disappearing to cover your tracks, but the omnipotent God thing, was a bit over the top. Stop with the weed smoking, when you watching Terminator my friend. ^Ha Ha Ha^   

For the first part, I was half serious.
The second part, I am still a quarter-serious.  ;D

If singularity happens, AI will be our god. So everything will be possible.
But you are right, I went a little too far

Maybe the only remaining spoiler for Genisys is the fact that Satoshi is Skynet. The best terminator is Bitcoin and the other are altcoins that failed.

This is what we got when we don't know the origin of things. Instead we just create mythology and fables about it. I think it is time for Satoshi to reveal himself and take responsibility for his creation.
It would benefit bitcoin and cut discussion about its origin once and for all..

I think the opposite. Bitcoin is a nerd technology. Media and people don't care about it. They cares about good stories. A mysterious creator is a damn good story.

you should contact James Cameron with your ideas, he might implement them in the upcoming Terminator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminator_Genisys) movie.
we could see Emilia Clarke talk about bitcoin in the movie which is going to be cool :D


edit: added a quick [crappy] photoshop :D

i don't think that they don't care about bitcoin, or that they are not understanding it, what i think is that they simply have a still good alternatives, called fiat, what i want to say is that bitcoin, is still too far away, from giving a really better alternative, when it comes to spending your money

if satoshi would reveal his identity right now, nothing will happens, besides some more nerd enjoying the bitcoin party

Keep! I also believe that we can not disclose the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto. Although I think that UTB was not one person
And tickets for the premiere only sell for Bitcoin.

Is it just me or did others find the quoted post funny?

if satoshi was skynet then John Connor have already sent Arnold (original terminator thingy) back to tell us about it and save us from our doomsday :D

If SKYNET is really exist and created bitcoin, then the SKYNET creator is Satoshi. Why? Because the machines or systems is made by human. Always human.

I think if something can travel in time this will be data and not physical forms.

till now i never belive about john titor,traverel time and anything else because i realize time is never back and if traverel time was there maybe their can solve about "dead"

I've always wondered if were secretly hashing stuff that we don't know about....

OMG :o

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/13/138522/3879444-3684297373-termi.jpg
;D

i will never understand why hollywood are lack of ideas, they just need to come to bitcointalk forum and read some threads :P


great ideas ;)

what if OP is James Cameron  himself trying to promote the new terminator movie :D

Yeah, I did.

Everyone should stop having a personality immediately, shove a bug up your ass and swallow the encyclopedia bitcoinica.

I think he was too inspired the terminator movies,but we do not know the future it might be true  ;D

I think he actually believes that.  Its quite comical.

To the auther of this thread: I think that you should finish highschool. If you chose to educate yourself further, then pay good attention to the science clases. I could also recomend that you go to the library (it is a big building full of books!), then read a book about AI. If that doesent help, then would I recomend to get outside and have some fresh air. The scenario you are describing are both unrealistic and delusional.

Fun topic!

What I lol-believe in the far future Bitcoinism - management by antagonistic self-replicating machines:
No supranational currency and no shit currencies-reserves, immortal Bitcoin only: GALACTIC CRYPTOCURRENCY!

It will be 1 SAT (0.00000001 BTC ) as new unit: "SAT" 0.1 SAT to 0.00000001 SAT and keeps coming new unit.
Example: 1 bitcoin = 0.00000001 unknown-abbreviation.. https://i.imgur.com/YT89cI1.gif (=BTC > mBTC > μBTC > SAT > mSAT > μSAT > ? ? ? > m? ? ? > ...)

So, cryptocurrency must be dead by now!!!??? = no money for machines.


Sorry, forget that. ^^

Bitcoin is implemented and controlled by Aliens. Satoshi refer to the UFO who first landed on earth, the UFO landed in the atlantic ocean, and sank to the bottom just on top of a major internet fiber link, the craft was design to connect to the internet and create the genesis block, the whitepaper was also released by these aliens and the first many blocks mined still exist on the bottom of the alantic ocean.

What if the blacks ops have been using time technology to control Bitcoin's future and scam us with gox, asic pre-oders, ponzi's etc? A lot of BFL's staff are shady satanic military types, BA appear to be Jesuits, Zipkin is a Masonic devil worshiper and MK is French.

If this is the case Satoshi should probably remain anonymous or Bitcoin could end up just a schizo memory.

- no more different than any automated system that need to be human directed

- in this stage of reasoning, anything can possess a form of true conscience




2/

- not inconceivable, but in perspectives of that is time travel is logically impossible, I prefer save my judgement guided by the motives of the affair

Ha ha ha, good one (saved for future refference) .... the time line is great, because this is how the masses see time.  ;D

Also why politic in the western world is so fail. All plans are made the period very soon - soon-ish.

I think there are very few, 2022 will come soon  ;D

Computers can't "think".  They can only follow programs.
They will never have feelings or consciousness.

Ray Kurzweil (while brilliant in other areas) is wrong. 
His idea of 'spiritual machines' is fundamentally flawed
because he doesn't understand the nature of consciousness.

Steve Wozniak, an Apple Computer co-founder, British inventor Clive Sinclair, Bill Gates, Stephen Hawking and Elon Musk all disagree with you. They have all made apocalyptic warnings that in the future artificially intelligent machines will replace the human race.

Steve Wozniak says "If we build these devices to take care of everything for us, eventually they'll think faster than us and they'll get rid of the slow humans to run companies more efficiently."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2015/03/24/apple-co-founder-on-artificial-intelligence-the-future-is-scary-and-very-bad-for-people/

Very nicely put, specially I love the poster lol. I think it would be a great movie that I would watch, but nothing beyond that. There are some things that could very well become true tho, among other things Bitcoin becoming the foundation of the internet of things. If that happens, it would basically mean everyone here holding 1 BTC will be filthy rich. 1 unit of the internet of things = 1%.

i'm not saying AI is impossible... I'm saying computers will never have emotions/real consciousness.

well,... that would explain why Satoshi replies only every once in a while... time warp. Why would a time traveler bother staying for long periods when they can just jump forward?

Time travel is possible due to Quantum Electro Dynamics:

"The key components of Feynman's presentation of QED are three basic actions.
A photon goes from one place and time to another place and time.
An electron goes from one place and time to another place and time.
An electron emits or absorbs a photon at a certain place and time."

Artificial intelligence is in fact just a set of slide rules: A combination of a database of objects, their connections to each other through subject or association including temporal relations, a basic rule set of problem solving techniques & basic facts... they've tried this approach for a long time, makes good Expert Systems, but still working on True AI that can think for itself. Neural nets, Neuromorphic chips, and other brain inspired hardware is bridgeing the divide but has been insanely hard to work with for decades... the 80s was the golden age of AI until we realized how friggin hard it is to make a thinking machine.

and SkyNET you mean that Swarm AI that powers FinHive?

If Satoshi=Skynet, then I want to be a liquid terminator  :)

 song looks good if following a view of a program that going to be embed and established into the mechanisms blockchain for being working only from them, he will be inscribed only on the blockchain and running only from it.  <he will also can avoid every attacks and be able to make save and backup for itself autonomously>


That's will be a real incubus !    ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

If he's inspired by the last terminator to hit the cinemas it's a real shame because it sucks. I'm sure a genius like Satoshi wouldn't want to be associated with that crap.

I don’t really put stock into it, but it’s fun to think in a morbid paranoid kind of way that by purchasing ASIC Miners and hooking them up to the Bitcoin network

Nice picture. lol. But if electrical impulses can be sent back in time, then I don't think it would need Bitcoin as it would be able to already install itself onto the servers of the world and control the world's finances already.

Great idea though.

They'd have to get access to the servers hard drives, cpu or ram and cause a electron cascade precisely directed at those atoms of the circuit required... I can imagine they would have to do it millions of times to make sure all the electrons make it to their specified time frame.

If I did it, I would set it up so it gets sent back slowly as the data is verified over the time :), tcp/ip for time travel; It could be a new paradigm in computing.

I saw this video and remembered this thread the other day:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61km5RwxQdw

It's not as far fetched as I thought back then. Well it actually is, because the fundamental step for this to happen is still lightyears away, but this is probably the beginning of robotized technology where automation can take better decision making than you about your own expenses. It's pretty mind blowing concept if you study it deeper.

It would be great to see the autonomous robot economy happen. Very cool vid, thanks for sharing.

Saw David Hasselhoff and Mark Karpeles on the movie poster and laughed my butt off  8) Hats off for the great implementation.

actually this makes sense.

Satoshi Nakamoto is really a mystery. No one has seen or know who he really is. It could even possibly be a robot or an organization rather than an individual. I hope Satoshi comes out to the public one day.