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Hi all

I'm thinking about it for a long time and I can't find a proper answer. I really don't like people and gov tracking me and BTC is everyday more traceable and less anonymous, so to avoid giving my ID I trade direct with persons, however the transactions are still traceable.

What we could do to make it really anonymous / no traceable?

1) Recently I was reading about http://zerocoin.org/ but it never happens and I'm not so sure if it would give full anonymity. Anyway, it's not available yet (and maybe never will?).

2) I was thinking about laundry services (such as https://bitlaunder.com/bitcoin-laundry-faq). However I have a few questions about it:

a) Is it really secure? Or is it scam? Someone here use? With success?

b) Some guys from California University points that laundry could still be traceable (http://www.wired.com/2013/08/bitocoin_anonymity/). What is your opinion related to the service above?

c) I believe that not just bad people use such kind of service and I'm one of them, so I'm concerned in get my money "marked" as black money or related with bad things. Is it possible to happen?

3) Exchange between virtual currency such as Litcoin / Bitcoin would help?

Thanks.

BitLaunder is most likely owned by Michael Moriarity and there are many allegations against it. It is better to use BitMixer. Moreover, you can use wallet of various exchanges, which does not require your ID, to mix your coins.

Yeah but you first have to buy your coins. Unless you are getting paid directly in BTC for some work or service that isn't officially registered (a freelancer accepting BTC or whatnot) how do you get your BTC anonymously first? I don't see any other way beyond doing a p2p transaction in real life, unless you can tell me any other way. As far as I know p2p exchanges still don't work. Coinffeine is still vaporware as far as i know.

acquire bitcoin directly via signature  campaign or mining(if you can), exchange them with monero or dash coin, sell monero for cash, and you can consider yourself anon

but at this point is simply better to acquire coins that use signature ring, directly

First of all, you may get your salary in Bitcoin. Use BitWage.co for that.

Apart from that, you can buy from direct trading exchanges like LocalBictoins.com, 100bit.co.in etc. If you buy small amounts from 100 different people and then mix the accumulated fund, you are more or less anonymous.

Thanks for answering.

Yes, I will be receiving online from another BTC user, I just know him by internet and gmail address, no real name or things like that. I do the service and once delivered he pays me. What is a signature ring for BTC?

It makes my income anonymous, right? All that he knows about me is my wallet address :)

This monero or dash coin is nice. Are they really safe?

Is easy to exchange they online without being scammed? Suggestions?

Thanks.

The link to bitmixer.io is in my signature. It is one of the biggest and highest volume mixers in existence. You can tell it's trustworthy because its been running for a long time now without scamming anyone. It could have exit scammed long ago and made a fortune, but it's still here.

You can buy Monero and Dash at the Bittrex exchange, which does not ask for ID when you register.

https://bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-XMR

https://bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-DASH

actually it is called ring signature, i inverted it, my bad, it is a way to encrypt your transaction, and it is not used in bitcoin, but in those coin that come with the cryptonight algo

monero and dash are the strongest coins that use this, also they are the most stable and promising, you cna use poloniex or bittrex to exchange them

also i think that 100bit.co.in, allow to sell altcoin, it is akin to localbitcoin

Even if you get paid in Bitcoin, unless you are a freelancer like he said, your boss will know your credentials, and it's basically a real job, so you better tax all of that money. Also I would keep that separated from my main wallet or else your boss which knows you address could end up knowing more about you.
Bitcoin needs more anonymity features, coin mixers are cool but not enough. You still have to trust the mixer owner, it's not decentralized.

I dont hink Dash/Monero are still listed on 100bit.co.in. I'll request them to add those in their thread.

Probably DarkWallet was the best solution. But, the project was under funded and hence was most probably scrapped.

Thanks for answers, very appreciated.

I never used poloniex or bittrex, are they like a open marketing for exchange? I believe they store information about all transactions and even IP addresses, so is it really anonymous if I exchange my BTCs to monero or dash?

Humm... someone already used DarkWallet? I see they release the code, but I have not seen any binary and they claim that you should not use real money! SCARE!!!

I also have one advise for Bitmixer.io, but in practice how easy is track it?

I also saw good reputation about the owner of http://app.bitlaundry.com/, someones knows more about it?

I'm curious about people with experience that tried track them and their success to confirm if they really add privacy or not.

Thanks.

Use Monero for god's sake.

Don't you know Bitmixer? it is very famous in the forum and they give a really good service

Bitmixer is so famous that forum staff even don't let them buy ad banner on Bitcointalk directly. Op if you want 100% anonymous transaction bitcoin is not the best way to go.
For now bitcoin is plagues with 3rd party services where you need to log and gave your IDs so you are barely anonymous anymore. I believe that without this hindrance you could go away with being anonymous.

You could use Shapeshift.io to exchange BTC -> Monero and back without creating an account or providing any personal info.

At Poloniex, you have to provide your name + email address to create an account.

XMR.to is another cool service that does XMR -> BTC exchange and they do not keep any records.

Ultimately, if you want to keep your IP out of the equation you'll have to use Tor or a VPN.

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LDA

I am another who thinks that bitmixer.io offers a great service, I have used them many times.  bitmixer does a great job of hiding origin / destination addresses (at least superficially -- which is all I care about, I doubt that you could hide anything from .gov...).  I used their service several times, THEN I went with their Signature Campaign.

blockchain.info's SharedCoin also mixes coins, and for very cheap, but it does not do as good a job of breaking the link between sending & receiving address.  If you do not have to have ABSOLUTELY 100% anonymity, it may be good enough.

You can also run both bitmixer and SharedCoin "in sequence".  That, I think, would hide your trail about as well as possible (and cost 1% or less), perhaps barring the TOR (".onion") services.


EDIT: No registration (or other ID) is needed for either bitmixer or SharedCoin.  Follow instructions carefully!  <===

Dash is instamined and doesn't use ring signatures, it's a bitcoin clone with coinjoin and wacky masternode ROI programs which also lock up a huge part of the supply.

Monero has privacy embedded in the blockchain itself, it's the most liquid and best distributed crytonote coin there is at the moment.

Also the block reward schedule is very good against pump and dumps.

To OP: Poloniex is a trusted exchange which has replaced their LTC market with a Monero market, you won't get scammed, just don't leave your coins in the exchange.

Or else use shapeshift.io

OP, just in case you want anonymity, because you are planning to commit online crimes, I have an advise for you:

Everything that looks anonymous to you now, doesn't necessarily mean, that it still will be in the future.

Take the dna evidence as an example. Some "perfect crimes", weren't that perfect anymore, after this invention.

i was referring to dashcoin not dash, but i abbreviated it in dash, although the right abbreviation is DSH, i know there is the X11 dashcoin, which is the first dash and it is another thing, which does not offering anything good

He said "In case" :p

When I sell a old hard drive to a friend for cash, and I use that cash to buy lunch and toys for my kids. Nobody would go through the trouble of tracing those transactions to determine my spending habits. It is a bit different with the blockchain, if you only use one address for everything you are doing, because your spending habits is known to everyone.

This is why some of us promote mixer services and single use addresses. You drop bitcoins via a Mixer service into a single use address, and then use all the coins... after that you never use it again. You have the right to keep your financial spending habits private and the same goes for cash. ^Blink^

if too much time pass then the criminal is acquitted because of prescription, so this is moot, also it's not like anyone who want to stay anon has committed a criminal activity

there are certainly other reasons to want to preserve your identity

poloniex asks for your personal information in order to let you withdraw from your balance there. many exchangers do this, so read their faq and fees and all the rules before doing anything.

all of the exchengers might keep a record of everyone trading there like IP and other info.

read their faq page on bitmixer it will answer all your questions.
you can add time difference between receiving the funds and receive in multiple addresses with different amounts for maximum anonymity.

+1

edit: Actually it is pointless to explain. He is not speaking english too well, and shows a lot of resistance against society and adult behaviour.

If I need to do so;
I'm using exchanges to mix my coins. For instance;
I'm depositin 0.5 BTC to exchange X and 0.5 BTC to exchange Y, Then splitting them 0.1, 0.3 vs vs, then recombine them on a "use & dispose" blockchain.info wallet.
(Of course I save the disposable wallet's private key).

It takes some time & a few bucks, but it works fine for me.

Hi all,

Thanks for all answers, very appreciated.

What means "OP" that some folks write?

Monero sounds like a nice service. I liked XMR.to sounds very interesting.

Someone used Anoncoin (ANC)? Sounds very nice. Should be nice have services such as XMR.to and shapeshift.io offering a similar service for this crypto coin. :)

Finally, my goal os not criminal, but I'm concerned about other with eyes on what I do. I think that I have the rights to do my things anonymous.

I really don't understand the reason about it's being a big concern to some people if there are tons of bad guys online that do bad things such as scam and steal money and never get discovered / in jail. We (the good people pay for them), if for these guys is so easy to be 100% anonymous, why it's not for normal people? What do they do?

Thanks.

Sorry for ignorance, but what is a dispute and use wallet? I used the terms that you referenced on google and nothing was found! LOL

Also, what is the benefit for anonymity?

Best regards.

to avoid that your wife know about your porn collection bought with bitcoin? this is a non legal reason

then there are a bunch of illegal reasons, like avoding taxes(actually i do not fint this so illegal, taxes are unfair as fuck) drug ecc...

damn, I made a typo.
it's not disputable. it should be "disposable".
And for example disposable wallet: "Use vpn, proxy etc to blockchain.info wallet (or any other wallet service)  and use it once to send bitcoins".

You can also CoinJoin transactions to anonymize your Bitcoin. It utilizes a function of transactions where there are multiple inputs and multiple outputs. The idea is that if all of the outputs are the same amount, then no one can know who owns what output address. The only problem is getting all of the users to sign them and it can a bit of a hassle. I'm sure if you poke around in the service section you will find people offering to do CoinJoins.

You are the Original Poster  the OP


Back to your thread asking the question here is not that wise.

I used to work for the IRS.

A lot of people got their money trapped in Poloniex and werent able to withdraw before they started asking for name and whatnot. As far as I know, if the transaction is inferior to 2500 you can invent a fake name, get the money out of there, mix it around and then the exchange doesnt know where that money went.

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philpma1967 puts a very important topic on the table for our review.

I definitely mix my coins when I can to hide the trail from casual (and maybe somewhat stronger) Bad Guys -- hackers, etc.  I have no illusions that the US .gov cannot find hidden BTC should they so choose.

Criminal behavior is, well, criminal!  

Don't be a criminal...

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But,...

Privacy <> Criminality.

I know government agencies read here and reddit.

This thread is asking how to hide income.
I know giving the OP free advice seems harmless.

It is not you could get into trouble.
So please keep it in mind.

Back to me I worked for the IRS from 1983 to 1984.

I left and got a degree in accounting. My Mom's worked at the IRS for 27 years and retired from them in 1987.  My wife worked for the IRS for 33 years and retired from them in 2011.

So

 A: Be careful what you write here
 B: Threads are looked at.
 C:  People can ask questions to get you in trouble.

D:  This thread's question could get you in trouble.

i suspected that some of those IRS guys were watching this place, but i didn't know that you was one of those, surprising nonetheless

i think it's better to talk about anonimity in private from now

TIP: 3 letter agencies don't like encryption for a reason

It is possible to maintain complete anonymity if you're very careful, but the problem is we are human. At some point, someone is bound to make a mistake sooner or later

I'm not American, so I'm not concerned at IRS :)

There is already a network https://www.reddit.com/r/joinmarket/ for coinjoin thats been live for some time. Coinjoin-ing is now almost trivial.

Take a glance over his post history  ::)

Which is fine.  But anyone living in the USA giving correct advice to launder BTC is subject to USA laws.

So I live in NJ, USA and if I advise you how to launder your BTC the USA can truly harm me.

   I only posted here because  a lot of us on site are USA based.  The USA has made so many  laws about money and moving it from place to place that this type of thread is not a  good place for a USA based person to give  advice.

He is an obvious shill for morality Bitcoin (and an obvious purchased/hacked account). The purpose of this thread was to advertise for the scam site bitlaunder, just look at the title of this thread, no other mixing service uses similar terminology.

Till now, the best option that I have seen and even got scammed because of it, Localbitcoins...
At Localbitcoins, whenever you send your coins, they get mixed with other coins and whenever you ask for your coins in different address, you will get them through different address-es...

in that case you can easily use an exchanger. there are many of them that don't even need your identity. you can easily deposit in one address and on the withdrawal, they will pay you from another address.
the good thing is there is no mixing fee, and only the normal 10k-20k satoshi fee.

I would just cycle the coins through a couple of gambling sites (someone should make list of good ones for this purpose) and then use shapeshift.io and maybe shared coin in blockchain.info (be aware that they log your IP)

Just user a bitcoin mixer, extremly difficult (if not impossible) to trace.
There is a very interesting aspect of being "anonymous", you can only be anonymous if a lot of other are also anonymous. Think about it, if you are the only one wearing a Guy Fawkes mask, then will everybody know that you are the guy wearing a Guy Fawkes mask. BUT, if everybody weare a Guy Fawkes mask then does nobody know who is who. Same with the bitcoin mixers, when a lot of people uses a bitcoin mixer, then is it impossible to analyze the connection between input and output to the mixer. Since your coins will be mixed with others coins.

Wow, this JoinMarket is super cool, I loved it! I really advise guys to try it, super cool.

The ShareCoin (https://sharedcoin.com/) also appears to be nice. Not sure what is better and why, I'm reading about yet, if you have experience please advise :)

BTW, if we have too many members at USA concerned about gov why not access the forum via VPN in other countries or proxies? I don't care because I'm not USA, but it could give freedom to them and anonymity to say what they want / think.

Thanks.

Yeah, I also like JoinMarket. I think it's a great idea and good implementation. I only wish the incentive rewards were higher, but I guess it's low risk so returns are low (for makers).

 -   BITMIXER.IO charge much less, more reasonable fees, ( https://bitmixer.io/fees.html )

Hi,

Super b! In general, what is your profit per month as a maker? Like 1%?

Do you mind in answer some questions about it?

1) I saw a chart with name of wallets of investors and values. Where is it available?

2) Is there a way to see how many coins are happening per day or hour and average value?

3) The script generates a "HD wallet". However on the commands there is no output. What is the output? How many address it generate? For both send and receive or they should be exclusive?

4) Really idiot question, but I see the transactions are with internal wallet, what is the benefit? I mean, internal transactions are not public, right?

5) If we could recover the whole wallet and money with the key, it means that my coins are not with me, instead they are on a third-party server, right? What means if someone hack this system? I mean, what security do we have?

6) In practice, have someone tried to track the coins joined? How hard was it? Was possible?

Thanks.

Suppose I create an online wallet with https://blockchain.info/ in Tor browser and keep a small stash of BTC in there. It's an anonymous stash, right?

Look what i found:
"Bter says that it managed to trace the stolen 7,170 BTC to a Bitcoin mixer (a cryptocurrency laundering service) called Bitcoin Fog"
I don't know if it is legal or not but this is the website http://www.bitcoinfog.com/

Bitcoin mixers themselves are in a legal gray area. Bitcoin Fog is a popular Bitcoin mixer on the darknet. It is rather shady though and I wouldn't trust them with large amounts of BTC. In fact, I don't trust any mixer with large amounts of Bitcoin.

How is that possible if the bitcoins were really in cold storage? Somebody would have to have access to that private key somehow. They recovered NXT in the past. They got stolent 2 millons dollars in NXT

the whole mixing service is some sort of money laundering which is illegal in all the countries as far as i know. so all of them are in some sort of a grey area when comes to being legal or not.
but even if they have traced it to that mixer i doubt if they even can do anything about it.

it's an excuse, they steal your coin on purpose if they are short with fee(not gaining much because too much competition) then they come up with the fact that an hacker have stole coins on their cold storage which is a no-sense

it's obvious that those hackers are internal people that operate with the excnhage