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Dear Community,

today I got Scammed by a Dutch guy who called his self altrechtbtc on localbitcoins.com
We meeted at an Mc Donalds in Cologne. After I sended him the BTC he told me that he need to get the cash out of his car but he let his laptop and phone open with the wallet decrypted on it.
1-2 Minutes later I saw that the BTC was forwarded to another address and I know i was scammed.
Stupid from me to not think about that scenario.

But ok I was at police, they have now his jacket,laptop and phone and they also get to the Mc Donalds to get videos from the cameras.
So anyway maybe some users could help with tracing him down?

This is the Transaction to his address:
https://blockchain.info/tx/293d4679d937ebc8b9ef9e38a30e56e8b413968f4b2bf018e5c41910287ebc84
His Address: 1PnXvJ8qyy5Hw6dwEamXj41DSLkyt8ccga
The Bitcoins where then moved to: https://blockchain.info/address/1KvS4Yj7qCgjLFLSJsnaSeonuFWFnRA6QM
He leaved a small rest in the other address, I had the chance to move it from his wallet, but I didn't want to touch anything of his stuff...
From that wallet he moved the coins to: https://blockchain.info/address/1EpKArcy57ezBExxo3PiCBg4tKizW2A9Z8 here they still are at the moment of writing.

Localbitcoins profile is deleted
Google Cache: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://localbitcoins.com/accounts/profile/AtrechtBtc/sell-bitcoins-to-cash/

He called his self Jeroen Altrecht

His stuff ( pictures taken at police station ):
http://www0.xup.in/tn/2015_07/15263266.jpeg (http://www.xup.in/dl,15263266/IMG_20150707_003107.jpg/)
http://www0.xup.in/tn/2015_07/42630566.jpeg (http://www.xup.in/dl,42630566/IMG_20150707_003118.jpg/)
Lenovo Notebook, Iphone 4 ( not on pictures ) Gstar Jacket.

Many thanks for any help.

Sorry to hear this but he just left the laptop with the btc behind? And then someone "hacked" his laptop while you were sitting in front of it?
I don't get how you got scammed.

He had the privkey probaly also on another device... maybe he did that also with someone located somewhere else... ( maybe he called him to forward now or what ever ).

You gut hustled. Sorry man. At least you'll never make this mistake again.
Chances of you getting back you BTC are minimal but maybe you can get the thief arrested.
I assume he was not wearing gloves while using his laptop so with his finger prints he can be tracked down and 75 btc is enough to do a finger print exam on the laptop and see if it matches up with anyone in the system.

Man that's a lot of bitcoins. Let the forensics trace the guy and arrest him for you. Then you can just file a lawsuit multiplying the amount he stole from you. That's all I can think about.

Good chances he is also good visible at the video from security cameras.
No he had no gloves.
Chances to get btc back is something between 0% and 0.0001% I guess. But maybe he could become unhappy with trying to spent them?

He got carried away with the amount. He'll always feel the guilt when spending each and every coin he stole from you and realizing that he did a very dumb move. He got caught with the CCTVs, fingerprints all over his stuff, gadgets that could lead to his original information and such. I'm sure he's getting ready to move out the place. Better do something real quick.

Now I called instantly the police and they said I should come to them with his stuff, so i taked his jacket, closed with his jacket the laptop and put it in his laptop bag, so fingerprints didn't get destroyed.
Their is not much more I could do :-(
I think that this was not the first time he did such scam and also not the last time.

I don't use local bitcoins but I assume you can and have already left him a negative review... Correct?

This is pretty wild! I wish you the best of luck on finding this guy, almost 20k USD. He seemed to have it down, let you see he left his stuff to get money but it was all throwaway. This is a typical dine and dash, maybe one of the higest profiting dine and dashes of all time!

Any luck from LBC? Maybe he was dumb enough not to use some sort of VPN. In America you can sometimes get the video from the cameras yourself, maybe post a photo of the guy.

Yeah if you can get a photo of the guy please post it here so we can all take a good luck. Maybe someone here knows him.

You did the right thing by calling the Police instantly and may be they will be able to catch the thief from his left behind items.

I don't know which country you're from but it might be possible they will investigate this matter and ask you also how and where you got the BTC worth 20k and why didn't you declare it earlier and why were you trying to sell them for cash.

It's too late for that now. Just cooperate with the cops for now for good.

Sorry to hear that you got scammed, next time (if there is one) you should ask to see the money before initiating any transfer. Especially when such big sums are involved. With the amount of evidence you have, it should be easy to track the guy down.

A lots of btc
Very sorry for this big lost
Take care next time.

From Germany, In Germany you can sell Bitcoins tax free if you hold them longer then 1 year.
I'm holding Bitcoins since 2011 so the 74,19 BTC was much less worth then now and not really a sum you declare ( $5 - $7 / BTC ).
And its also not forbidden to sell or buy things for cash in Germany. ( I think not bitcoin related their are much more bigger deals every day for cash ).
I tried to explain the police as much details I could ( They didn't here from Bitcoin ) I was more then 2 hours in the police office.

If I do for cash trades again I would let them pay me first before I transfer BTC, If thats not ok for trade partner their is just no trade.

Seems he just moved my coins :-(
https://blockchain.info/address/13Nc3DDiejeUwP1vJU3YHCuJ8NNRmb5J8w

Ok now he used some kind of mixing, i guess shared coin.
If i'm correct his final address = https://blockchain.info/address/12DeDSoYpXkvdexd9MWL23V6327sKEuzDn

If he was an user of localbitcoins recently, try asking localbitcoins support for his details, was he a new trader or experienced trader?
they have details of user for 90 days on their system i think, they might be able to dig out some details like any bank address he used for prior trades
or any id document he shared in chats, as well as his ip etc, be very alert there are many scammers out there.

This is why you do a couple of small transactions till complete

Yep. I should have said that too earlier. Do many small transactions when it is for so many btc. You can do it 10 btc at a time and it costs you nothing.

Wasn't this jackass was it:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=732773.0

So what happened to the objects it has abandomat?
The laptop is yours now but still a big scam
Again sorry for youry lost.

I doubt he can keep the laptop maybe the police will keep it as evidence for the investigation

Police sized his stuff.
What will happen next I don't know.
I think they analyze the cctv and search for fingerprints on his items, and then hope he is already known.
I think their interest could also become bigger as the first address where he or they moved the coins had total received: 2,248.47358298 BTC
Police didn't know much about Bitcoins so it could take some times and could give some more questions, I think they will contact me next days/weeks.
I think they will catch him or them earlier or later, I think its also possible that it was more then one person, maybe someone loaded already the wallet on anohter device and waited till he leaved the building to send the bitcoins away.
If he or them really scammed already for more then 2000 BTC they'll don't stop now.
Money will be gone anyway.

Maybe some others will read this here who got also scammed on localbitcoin trades on the same way?

This really is dreadful, BTC seems to attract scammers by the dozen

To be honest, this is EXTREMELY STUPID. No compassion at all with you.
I once traded with someone from localbitcoins to in mcdo (veenendael), same story, except for the fact that i am not this stupid, if i understand it will you transfered bitcoins to a wallet and just let him go outside? when i traded with the guy in nl he proposed this to me but i didnt agree and almost left without a deal, in the end he agreed to bring the money in first and do it little by little (it was quite a good exchange rate for him)
Is this guy really dutch-looking? Then it's not my guy. If he is looking Turkish/Morroccan (even when he is dutch speaking) please send me a pm, otherwise it's not my guy
i guess i am able to trade again with this guy (with the police)
from where r u and where do you live?

This guy planned to do this. He knows his fingerprints are not known, his gadgets will not lead anywhere...

Even if that was the case his fingerprints are now known.

He was dutch looking, and yes afterwards I could do 1000 other things to avoid this...
Even if his fingerprints are not known, he should be good seen on the cameras, so earlier or later they'll get them for sure.

But how you gonna prove the police that you have send him bitcoins? he can just deny that and say he not even know what thats it

And then he say that he just leaved his stuff their without a reason and even don't ask it back?
And then he say he don't know anything about the bitcoins send at exactly that time and moved few seconds after he leaved the building?
Oh and i've some emails where we talked about the trade and where he wrote that he is already at the Mc Donalds.

Can you describe the scammar?
Can you put the video with scammar?
Waiting for reply.

Send a message to LBC owner https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=8516 maybe he could help you.

Next time, never let anyone walk away once you have deposited a bitcoin let alone 74 of them.
I have had somebody over here in the UK meet up with me for 10 BTC in Burger King, they wanted me to deposit right away, then say they need to go to a ATM because they do not have enough cash at the current exchange rate.
I declined and specified I will not hand over the bitcoins until the cash is on the table in front of me. Of course, the deal never went through because they were going to run.

All professional looking with a laptop and such, were willing to dump the laptop and bag for 10BTC of course, as the rate of trade at that current time was 900 a bitcoin.
Most likely the laptop only had a temp wallet on it, nothing personal.

I hope the guy you dealt with is caught, maybe something personal was left on the laptop.

I don't have the Video, i described as good as possible to police but they have also the video, for decribing on internet it would not help really much..
Dutch looking around 20y old about 180cm black short hair, long face.
Would probaly match to many persons so really not help on the Internet.

Did you check inside his phone or laptop before reporting to police?
There might be some personal data inside his devices, is his devices even protected with password?
74 btc is a lot man   ::)

This is a horrible story. Sorry it happened to you.

In the future always limit the size of transactions with people you do not know.

McDonalds is okay but meeting at a police station or bank might be better for a transaction this large. Ask for identification in advance and require payment before you transfer the btc. Use escrow if the buyer requests it but NEVER send btc first.

Never accept paypal or payment forms that can be reversed and have a counterfeit pen detector if you are taking cash. Taking that much cash always puts you at risk of being robbed after the transaction perhaps in the parking lot. That is why I said bank or police station would be better than McDonalds.

Good luck catching the guy. Expensive lesson for sure. Hopefully others will learn from reading this thread. Thanks for sharing

I feel sorry reading this story.  But if you meet up with someone make sure they have the cash BEFORE you send.  Also check to make sure not counterfeit or something else.   It is very fair to check out the money before sending.

I hope OP get's money back.   I think it will depend on if police see bitcoin and sit it aside or if they go off the value of theft.  I hope the laptop/phone lead to something but if he had all this set up would not surprise me if phone was a burner or I think he would have took it and laptop just cheap.   

I hope you got video/pictures from some security that is what will really help you find him.  Let us know how it goes.

Offcourse I didn't as already written in first Post.
I didn't want to destroy any fingerprints.

Were there any camera's in where you met?  Or even nearby business with cameras outside to catch him?

I think fingerprints will be hard to find from, you have much better chance with video/pic.

Ouch! That is a hefty amount of btc.

You're probably not the first person he's scammed in this way, he left his phone and laptop on purpose to make you think he would have to come back and get them. If you haven't already I'd ask for all the public cctv footage in that area aswell as McDonald's.

He must be good seen on the cctv, we met upstairs and you walk exactly in the camera when going up the stairs and down, and the table where we meeted was also in the area of cctv's.
I woudln't get the video i guess but police have it, maybe they would ask me if i could identify him from the pictures so maybe i could get a chance their to get his pic.
But that could take weeks or months till something will happen.
Maybe I need to give some bonus for them who give the hint what lead to his arrest? :-)

When you give a bonus to police.. i think it's called a bribe :).  I suggest not going in offering money for them to work case lol.

But I would check up and make sure they are working on it and getting videos.  If they wait months depending on system some might no longer have their the video.  Normally places keep so much and i old school record over tapes, or if new delete old on hardrive automatically to make space for new.

The bonus for community not for police :-p
Police got the directly to the Mc Donalds to get the video...

That does make quite a difference there :).  I wish the community could help but I think video is your best option.

If you can get video of it get it on local news, local facebooks, etc with a reward for his name/info.   I would ask nicely on police to get the video, I doubt they give it to you though.   You might contact a lawyer and see if they can get the video from police assuming police does have it. 

Still nothing?
A friend of mine also got scammed there
Is not really a good way to trade alone.

Casmir is a good person he loaned me on btcpop.  :(  Why does this happen to the good people.   >:(  Casmir, is possible he planned all this before he did the crime, though he can be stupid,

Im a certified A+ technician, 

do you have the laptop in custody or it is at the police?  if the police cant get any evidence from that hard drive, I suggest try to recover deleted partition on that hard drive,  If the police dont know how to do that, maybe I can help you uncover evidence,  The thief is smart he could have waxed his finger prints.  The key right now is that computer and cameras.  You loaned my wife BTC and I would like to help in anyway I can.  Im on ur friends list on facebook.

How he will proof the police that he really send it to his wallet? the scammer can still say i got nothing or even decline that he know anything about bitcoins, and if police tell him how it comes he have a wallet on the laptop he could say op have installed it maybe...

I hope the best for you to recover the cash

I'm really sorry this happened on our platform :(

I saw that you already contacted us, we can provide you with the details of the user that we know and help you and the police catch the perpetrator.

Hello

You are really from localbitcoins.com?
Give us some details about the scammer
I just wait to see this reply.

What chapter was waxed finger tips, or uncovering evidence when studying? 

It's nice your A+ certified.... congrats but it's not really a cert in realm on security.   Their security cert is a different cert :)

The only way would be a combination of video or photo and also the laptop.  You really need both to prove it.  Or it turns into a he said she said thing.

The photo or video of him meeting would show that they met.  You cant prove intent so video alone not a home run case.

With laptop it could prove motive.  It could show the computer had access to the wallets, and who knows what else.   That is assuming it's not encrypted or something making it hard to get anything off pc.

Hopefully OP is getting somewhere and lawyer or police suggested not to talk during investigation.   I hope it gets some or all of it back.

I don't believe that there is no pic with scammar on that laptop.

Can you say the exact location of that Mc Donalds?
Someone wants to try something
Waithing pm or reply here.

Any news from the police yet OP? I sure hope they are looking for him. After speaking with you I really feel bad for what happened and I hope you get that guy.

If the police don't know what bitcoin is then will never continue this case.

That's why I suggested he might consult with a lawyer.  Depending on police some will treat it as the value it had, and others will think digital nothing of value lost.

With lawyer he has decent chance of getting any video (assuming the police got any).  And he should do it soon as most security system's record X many day's (normally in weeks, if not months depending on company).

With video he can use local news/facebook, etc with a reward.  And might just catch him.  Then it would be a court case... but still would find him.

I'm not thinking OP going quiet is a good thing.

Still waithing the reply from op about the exactly address of that Mc.

As a very recent victim of a scam on lbc too I'm especially sympathetic to OP's situation.

My case was nowhere near as bad as this and was heavily facilitated by very dumb moves on my side.

Curiously I believe the guy was german (according to lbc has a german ip and german phone).


My suggestions:

Bribe someone at the McD if you have to but get that video and post it online.

Try to get a video of the outside and try to find the car if he really had one.

The phone seems very important to me.

Iphone 4 is not a typical burner. Unless he bought it on his way to the McD the police may learn a lot about his last moves using cell phone tower triangulation, gps, wifi networks, etc...

Op please update us. We are all wondering what ended up happening.

Hello

He just need to post here the exactly street
No need to get someone there for this
For others is easy and simply
Still waithing the exactly street.

I was on holiday ( that was also a reason for the trade to have cash for holiday )...
Koblenzer Straße 2-4 in Köln was the MC.

I still have the emails, we wrote about the amounts, he wrote that he is inside the MC, we wrote about the volume... so he couldn't tell the police that he don't know anything about bitcoins or something like that. And for what reason he would leave his stuff in the MC and run away?

No news from police or from something else...

Hello

Thank you for your reply
I will pm you in some days
Stop sending money to scammars.

::)


How did the police react to the bitcoin "thing"?

Do you feel they are taking it seriously?

Do they have the video footage?

Any progress with the cell phone?

I have the same feeling but never forghet,
It's usually the one who says!!!
Where are you from?
I'm just asking!
Who the fuck do you explain your commenting here?
You are a newbie with 4 post and 4 activitie
So you registre and just find this thread, right?

the best thing is that you can either salvage what the iphone and the laptop.

if theres no evidence being used for the cops, or else its pointless.

as for the people who lack compassion for people using bitcoin, shame on you. you know simple mistakes happen or like transactional error amounts or importing into a old address you cant find.

theres a million ways to lose it, but yeah in the future just test 1 btc to confirm. Its better to let the other party wait it out so you know its all good.

how does events like this happen.. such a big amount.

I`m sure the op feels like crap already, but I would split the amounts like what others have mentioned like by 1-10 btc at a time.

So that means your also a potential suspect?  :D

I dont think anyone would want to come back on this forum for awhile if they had 74 btc, they would be spending some of that btc on nice things for themself.

Yes,he is.
But
Why would you say that?!
Is here be sure.

Any news?

any news on this ?

oh sorry to here that. but i think theres no chance to take back your btc.
or it has .01% of chance... when the cameras in mcdonald take the face of it.
and when the policeman got the guy. then he still have the btc in his. then you can take it back.
but i doubt it. i wonder dont he have any information about himself in the laptop or iphone that
he left to you? and its so crazy that you meet him and he still scammed you. your not being careful my friend.
well goodluck. hope you still can take it.

We are talking for ~18,000 USD worth of bitcoin, and a fingerprint scan from police is necessary. I am interested if they catch the thief yet?

op, what has become of this incident, any progress or updates ?  thanks

Try Opening his email account stuffs and and all.... Try to find the usual ip address from which he logs in with his comp... U may get some evidence...Also try his iphone contacts... Fuck that scammer... And get his home behind the jails.....

Also use some forensic softwares to recover deleted items that may help too