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Alright . First of all this thread is not for trolling and only for serious people who are willing to help me with providing good informations .

I live in Algeria which is a rich country with oil , gaz and gold and other crap basically but it's still shit . I'am just a simple teenager with big dreams .
I may move to England or United State of America and I would like how much USD should I need or basically how much BTC do I need to move there (as a start) and what does it take to find a good or decent salary job and how easy/hard it is . (price for living monthly etc ... ) what ever you think it's necessary informations just throw them at me .

Pretty sure that this thread should belong into Economics because I'am speaking about Finance and money etc ... thank you :)

Depending where you live in the US, cost of living fluctuates. As a rule of thumb, $1,000 USD per month should be enough.

I meant as a start , If I plan to live for the next 50 years (If I live that long) that Means I will need shitload of money . when I said as I start I meant the time to find a job and a place to rent etc ...

I would personally recommend no less than $2,000. I'm sure that you could get away with less than that, maybe even as low as $1,000, but with a lower amount you risk of not being able to afford rent if you don't get a job soon after moving.

"Simple teenager with big dreams"...that's the best way to start a move to the UK or US!

I'd suggest moving to the US, it has cheaper cost of living and potentially more business opportunity than England. If you want to stay closer to home, go to England.

I'd also suggest having BTC25-40 with you when you make the trip. Depending where you go in the US it can be quite expensive (NYC, DC, Chicago, Miami, LA, SF) for housing and you'll need some coin to hold you over until you can get a job. What kind of work do you plan to do?

Good luck to you!

First of all, it's not possible to just move to the US w/o first getting a visa of some sort which isn't exactly an easy process. Furthermore, there's a major immigration debate going on over here and it's focused mainly on those coming from South America. In addition, most teenagers here tend to have minimum wage jobs as that's pretty much all that's available unless you've been working for years and have a resume that would make you competitive to be hired at a higher rate. There's just not up and coming middle class or upwardly mobile jobs available thanks to the Bush/Obama years and the horizon doesn't look pretty either. Most current young people here have no future unless they went to college for a career in demand but the majority of degrees will get you nothing but student loan debt. Learning a trade like plumbing, electrical or heating and cooling will get you way further than college pound for pound.

I'm in the UK.

Unless you find a local to marry or have some massively in demand skills or have a company who'll sponsor you, the most straightforward way is to get in on an investment type of visa.

To get one of them I think you need to prove you're bringing in a certain amount of money or guaranteeing to employ a number of natives.

If it's the EU you could just buy yourself some citizenship and move to the UK which would probably be cheaper. Quite a few countries do this, Bulgaria would probably be the cheapest.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ceciliarodriguez/2014/03/17/for-150000-you-can-buy-bulgarian-eu-citizenship/

You could get in easily with a student visa and maybe try to get a job and change it when there but the cost of education is almost as bad as the US now. You might be looking at $25,000 a year just in fees for university.

There are also new rules proposed about immigrants being sent back after a certain numbers of years if they're not earning enough, it's a whole lot more than national average too. That being the case I'd much prefer to have EU citizenship than anything job or money dependent.

Compared to anywhere else in Europe, Britain's one of the few places where foreigners are just as welcome to get a good job as the locals. If I moved to France or Spain I wouldn't have a hope in hell of being favoured over a native regardless of language skills.

Living costs massively depend on where you are. London is horrific but that's where the jobs are. Lots of Brits are trapped in London because they can't earn anywhere near the same anywhere else.

Somewhere up north might be 30% of the cost for accommodation. If you had maybe $10,000 that might last you six months for everything if you were careful.

If I wanted to do what you want to do, I would look into getting a job with a multinational company in Algeria and get yourself transferred across to the country you want. If you have the skills then anywhere is possible and they can do all the hard work for you. The oil and gas industry is the obvious one.

@Possum577 , When you said 25-40 BTC which is basically like 10k $ right now  , you meant there value right now or after x years .
for the UK It wouldn't be a problem because visa is most likely easy to get if I have money , I have family there and they can sent me whatever the file name is (his bills , adress , passport and those stuff ... ) .

However for what comes to USA , yes It may be a lot harder for me . also for what comes to the job , I'am not asking much beside I know a lot of people with no degree at all and doing some decent jobs with like 3k / month  , also how bad is it to work in McDonald or something like that ? :o
We don't even have such fast foods here so not sure what is the payment and how hard is it to get such a job .

It would make it so much easier if you could find a way to make a wage online before moving.  That way you haven't got to fuck about with trying to get some bullshit job.  Its not easy to find ways to make a living online but its possible, i've made a living online firstly via online poker (dont do that) and after that i've made a living via ebay.   If i were younger and starting out there seems to be a ton of money in coding, i'd do that.

I knew many people who moved to UK from abroad where i used to live, i actually used to hang out with a bunch of them.  All worked in factories and warehouses etc, they worked pretty hard for not that much money i guess. 

I dont know the specific laws on algerians moving to UK so cant help with the legal side of things but if that all works out.... ideally you want 6 months living expenses, get a room in a house share with internet, you'll be good to go.  I'd say to be comfortable you'd want $5000 or £3000 gbp.

That's exactly what I want to do, and that's why I'am making money and keep making money right now and yes it's online , I'am just a high school teenger as I said however I'am doing good for what comes to money . and I'am really good at saving it instead of spending it at each thing I like .

For what comes to the 5000$ mentioned , is that enough to live on a room with internet for 6 months ? :o Also do you know how hard is to find a decent job as I said nothing big like McDonald or any other famous fast food that pays well .

$5000 is a good amount to cover you for 6 months living in a decent house share, you can do it for cheaper if you have friends, i knew a guy who came with nothing and stayed with friends until he got a job.  

With $5k You will eat well and have money to do what you need to do for 6 months.  Dont go for the very cheapest living standards, try to find a nice quiet place that looks nice in a nice area, with nice people living in it, its worth the extra 20% etc you'd pay for something like that.  If you try and find the very cheapest living accomodation you'll end up living with idiots playing loud music, drinking at all hours, generally pissing you off left right and centre.

Its very easy to get a basic job like factory/warehouse/fast food/data entry job if you a physically able, you can just sign up with employment agencies who can probably have you in a job in under 1-2 weeks.   Every town/city has several employment agencies, you have 1 interview with them and they deal with all the rest as they have contracts with employers.

I personally like New York , LA (I guess I'am thinking big ?) , I do have a friend however he is on Ohayo and I don't know him real life , only from internet but he is very good and friendy but never asked him to be honest . (If He is willing to help me or not ) and not sure how life is there , I imagine tornado's and shit there ... last time I saw news I heard they had big disaster but he said he is okey and not on his area :o

Also when you say "With $5k You will eat well and have money to do what you need to do for 6 months" , I'am really thinking what's the definition of "eating well" does it mean buying stuff and cook my self or fast food is good to go ? ;D isn't faster food expensive then normal food on your country ?

an a good place to live = split rent between roomates (how much would that cost in different cities and towns (just estimated) ) ? correct ? I'am sorry if I'am wasting your time etc .. but in our country only few people rent , most of us buy

Eating well is home cooked meals mostly with occasional eat out.  You'll never been able to eat as good eating out regularly vs making some food at home imo.   I just moved house and during the move i ate out 7 nights in a row, i felt like shite after.  Felt so much better when had a few home cooked meals.

Fast food is just junk, only eat it occasionally or not at all if you want to be healthy.

You wont be able to buy anywhere to live in UK unless you are rich as fuck lol.  Renting costs in somehwere like london are insane stay clear of london unless you have a career there.  All the costs of living in the other major UK cities/towns are somewhat similar. 

If you want to live in a remote place then it can be cheaper but you have little access to work.

Here basically you pay first like 2700$ , then give you the house and it's yours . then you start paying like 80$ or something for each month for the next 20 years or something like that . I personally found it good and fair enough . not complaining ;D (from Government of course)

Also I thought you was speaking about USA on the first place though that's why I said New york & Los Angelus , I will keep this thread open in case you guys want to give me more informations , appreciate the help . In the mean time i WILL be making more money for the next couple of years maybe and do more research about it .

I've heard living in LA can be very expensive, i cant imagine new york being much different.  All these fancy places cost alot.

Here in UK you cant buy 1 brick of a house for $2700 lol

I would recommend you to complete most of your formal education from your city, and try in university here for higher studies. If you study well and are talented, you can get an admission through scholarship. Your education will be discounted and there might even be hostel facility, which makes things cheaper for you. As you study here, try getting opportunities for work, there always are opportunities for work. And then work hard, save, get a job, marry someone from that country and stabilize your life there ;)

I guess they already give full scholarship here for those who want to complete their study out there , not sure though . Personally as I said I'am just a teenager and I'am already working hard on holidays (from the internet) to make some decent amounts of money and always save them , I don't spend anything ;D
for the marrying thing I guess it's the easiest to get visa and citizenship but that would be hard because I'am a muslim and there isn't that much of muslims in UK or USA to get married with .

There are millions of muslims in both places. Finding a fellow Algerian might be a bit of a stretch though.

Living in UK/U.S can be hard, why don't you consider some other place for living too? There are opportunities at a lot of places in China and India. I think you might find a decent lifestyle in India, y'know. I have friends there which make good money and you might find a lot of muslim women in the country too, to marry. It won't be such a bad idea, always have more options.

I would agree with this, its challenging enough being born in the UK and living here, i cant imagine moving here.  Yes it is one of the safer countries to live but i wouldnt choose it if i wasnt born here. 

I wouldn't say that I have basically no other options I'am thinking about , there is actually .
for what comes to China & India I guess there is huge culture difference , certaintly on food and stuff and as I said I'am a muslim so there is a lot of things I cant eat  , same goes for USA & UK but you guys have Halal fast foods and restaurants so I'am good to go but for Asian countries it's even worst since they eat weird stuff (to me ,not offending their culture)  , My other two options are Canada & France however and even if there is a lot of Algerians there and I have been told by some friends who go in holidays there (france) that algerians and arabs there help each other so I can't get screwed up most likely ... but still problem of racism and as we can see lately alot of crap going since charlie hebdo and they blame muslims on it .
and for what comes to Canada , no informations really , never knew someone from there

Try a couple of internships in the Central African Republic and then report back.

Meh, knew i'd get that.  I never said anything about picking any unsafe or unstable country.  Are you saying you'd pick UK if you could choose to be born/live anywhere?

Yup. Lots of culture. Lots of variety. Close to Europe. It's politically stable. There aren't any animals, weather or very many humans who want to kill me. Compared to other European countries, let alone anywhere else, corruption is low and the law might actually work on your behalf if you ever need it. Religion isn't shoved in your face. Water comes out of taps on command and you can drink it too. If my life totally falls apart there's a good chance I'll be housed and prevented from starving.

Within two hours of where I am I can be in London or several other cities or If I'm not in the mood for that I can wander forests, beaches, valleys and not see another soul for the whole day. If I was in rural Nebraska I might see a slightly different shade of corn in that travel time.

I've spent lots of time in the US. I would have to be paid a very substantial amount of money to move there. I've spent lots of time in other EU countries. They've all got their issues too.

A mate of mine used to bitch constantly about the UK. He bitched about it from the luxury of his subsidised house, car and tax credits while his children went to their free schools. He went to India and pretty much licked the runway when he got back.

Compared to almost any other time in human history, life in somewhere like the UK is an unfettered paradise.

Where would you prefer to be?

India ranks second in the most populated place in terms of Muslims. It has so so so many muslims there, you can fit into the culture so easily. There are so many mosques, good street food and a lot of religious places in New Delhi for muslims. Here is a list of places you would be comfortable to live at, considering your religion and your practices: http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/world-top-ten-countries-with-largest-muslim-populations-map.html

UK would be in my TOP 10 picks and you make good points. What i dont like is the media/royals/stuffy political system/stuffy culture/shitty housing market/no space/everyone over worked. The UK people i find fantastical/clueless and far to into our country. Its difficult to actually find someone to talk to who has a decent perspective on life, maybe this is the result of years of too much privilege.  We stand still in the UK change takes ages.

I would probably pick canada or the best of scandinavia above UK to be born, i agree they would still have problems.  To move to.... if i could make a living online so i didnt have to be located anywhere for work and im young... i would move somewhere like thailand or a similar semi stable cheap country.  When young some things matter less, i know brits very happy who have even moved to places like bulgaria, they were over worked in UK and now have retired early, they say its cheap overall, they can get referral to health specialist in a week!.   I would only live somewhere semi stable while i was young enough, live like a king and make money.   When i got older i would likely move to a politically stable country with good health care to live out years and die, UK would be ok at that point depending on state of healthcare at that time.  NHS isn't that great (only good for certain things) you need private care for decent care.

Well if you plan to immigrate , go for US. Because the visa system is much more complicated in UK .Also you'd need hell load of pounds to start a fresh living in UK. Start with 2500$ a month in US. I've added an extra margin to your budget since you need to look for affordable accommodation and a decent salary job.

Agreed. I find if you filter out the media and only hang out with non arseholes, life becomes a whole lot more fun wherever you may be.

I would've thought the reason plenty of expats feel happier, and are maybe not aware of it, is that they don't understand the local news or inane gossip. And all the shit back home fades to irrelevance.

Just as another point and this may just be a general observation where we are at in human society evolution.....due to UK having a certain level of privilege (other countries might be same/similar) the skills needed for survival/being productive/flourishing can be higher here, the game stakes are higher, if you get me?

If you haven't had a good start in life in UK (parenting/schooling) you are pretty fucked here, you wont compete and you wont be having a "fun life" until you can compete. 

The safety nets in UK aren't as good as we might hope from such a privileged country.  They really aren't that safe due to nuances that come with the safety nets.   I'd never send my kids to a city state school in the UK for example - lamb to slaughter.

Now I'am definitly confused , I know it's tow different countries but price can't be that different .
WhatTheGox said I need around 5000$ to stay for six months as a start (time to finda job etc ... ) and you are saying that I need 2500$ monthly or I can't live there :o as I said I know he was speaking about UK and you are speaking about US but it can't be that different

It totally depends on the area you end up in and what standard of living you want. If you want your own apartment in San Francisco or New York then it might be thousands a month.

If you're sharing somewhere in the mid west then it might be $500 a month for a room.

Kansas - http://www.easyroommate.com/results-room/loc/1002721/pic/1

San Francisco - http://www.easyroommate.com/results-room/loc/1002001/pic/1

Yeah $5k or £3000 GBP would be a safe amount to move to UK imo, it really depends.  If i were you i'd try and make some friends if you cant get savings going without a job in wherever and maybe you can go for cheap, stay on the sofa maybe.  I have no idea on current immigration laws remember, or your ability to steal friends sofas for long periods ;D

why someone need to immigrate when he can earn online, i think immigrating is a thing of the past
tere are plenty of job online, and some pay in bitcoin, you can earn really well
and unless you live alone immigrating is not easy to do with a family, it will cost you plenty of money
to stabilize yourself in a new area

You say you have big dreams, but what is it that you dream of? I always wanted to travel when I was younger. I made plans with friends that never materialised and then finally went by my lonesome when I was 23. It was a great experience, but I eventually came home broke and had to start at the money game all over again.

Can you look ahead ten years and see what you want? If you can, be aware that what you want will probably evolve over time. If having a family is something that you want at some point in the future, then ask yourself what your main role will be in that family. If it is that of providing financially, then focus on that.

Frankly, this is all very grown up and as a teenager I suggest going to find some mischief to get up to and enjoying your mothers cooking whilst she still provides it for you.

edit: I didn't mean for that last bit to sound patronising. Keep dreaming and keep planning.

Well, I think it might take more than $1000 if you're moving to England instead of USA. It also depends where OP is moving ,  what kind of apartment he wants to rent, how much will he spend for expenditure, etc. It might take at least 2000 USD for OP in my opinion.

I think the initial months, he might have to pay much more than the usual but once he gets all settled in, I don't think he would have much issues. Just make sure your immigration goes easy, don't fuck around anything remotely illegal and find decent place to live. Try finding a job before leaving your country itself, as they might offer accommodation (If you plan to do something big in U.S, study first rather than come here and flip burgers).

It takes much more than such a small amount to live in the U.S/U.K if you plan to lead an average life too. Homes are costly, you should try for hostels. You could seek help from any friends or relatives in the country otherwise. I would advise you to get a job before shifting, try studying hard and getting quality resume ;)

At the same time just as a point with studying... these mainstream style qualifications are going to become less and less relevant as time goes by.  I would choose very carefully if starting out on study again, you dont want to end up with a ton of debt and a useless degree.  

I would recommend using Numbeo to get a good comparison of costs in different cities
That said to qualify for entry into the United States you need to have a certain amount of money in your account or a job option to get the Green Card perhaps as a translator.
A good amount of money to start off is $2000 to pay off the first month or two of rent and food while looking for work.

I am not talking about degree, but talking about the education and the quality of knowledge received. Learning more and more will still be easy in his own country but things might get a little tough as he steps into a new country. He'd rather feel more stranded. And instead of having a useless degree, I would recommend you to study something you're passionate about and master in that.

The reason why pursuing education would help you is because you will be open to work at much more different kind of jobs because you will be having about so many things you learn. If you like graphic designing, you can study from internet about how to do it, learn drawing and painting and experience similar fields to your interest. it will help you have more options for job.