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play chess for bitcoins, better then betting
chess4coin.com

i'm trying to register but it returning me nothing

How does it work?
It's about tournaments or you play against someone for an amount that you bet?

Chess for bitcoins? Isn't Chess a little too exploitable as a game? I mean you could just have pretty strong Chess program running in the background and just copy moves from it.

if it returns u re try it
i am working on it
some time it stucks lot of people visiting same time

Chess is definitely exploitable and you could just be playing against bots, that is why it has never been launched before. On first look the site looks good, but unless there is a way to avoid bots , it would be difficult to get players.

yes u can play tournaments but site is new, cannot tournment have to wait and see some traffic,
but you can play another plays
each bit is 5points it means 5$ we will later let bigger bids but this time per match is 5$
if u win u will get 5$ and if u loss u will see loss of 5$

Please make checkers instead of chess... please! ::)

i will look for it also,
now i created this chess site i will have to wait and see sites response

Ill sign up and have my buddy come over to put a hurting on fellow bitcoin chess players  ;) lol

It would be nice for me too

I like both check and checkers
But Chess is longer and with higher strategy

i am experimenting no one ever try chess for bitcoins,
maybe this becomes good platform for people who betting on unknown events rather then trying there skills,
i think skill games are more fun rather then betting on a sport event or any other form of gambling

Interesting concept but you need to add more detail to your OP if you wanna bring visitors to your site to be honest. Wet don't know enough about it right now.

yes i will be promoting it soon
and i am sure it will last without any scams etc,  for now i can just say trust over site it will not disspoint

how can you assure that we are not playing against bots?

Oh come on. An avid chess player could beat even the most powerful bot. I'm pretty sure that chess is one of the hardest board games to "exploit" with automation. In the past there have been attempts to create multiplayer online board game lobbies with betting. Gambit.com would be an example. But it doesn't accept bitcoin any more.

I wish this website can become a great platform for chess because I love both chess and bitcoin.

well i my self do not like to play with bots and bots cannot exist they always move with a exact timing
and there chat always is off

I didnt got what you said? How can you assure all that they are really playing against a real person and not a bot. there can be a good bot copy running at backend. can u assure we are playing against real players?

well if any one playing with exact time pattern, not respoinding admin chat if admin wants to confirm there is no bot runing, and i am looking for very complicated sign up system,

Not everyone is an avid chess player, and if someone wants to play with a bot then they would rather do so without betting on it. I didn't say other board games couldn't be created, but chess happens to be something that can have a bot involved in the game and could become extremely hard to play with.

Bots would destroy the betting game.
Everyone would use bots and force all the average to weak players out of the game.
In the end, there will be only bots left.

oh finally , it's really interesting to have something new in the market
I will join the site for sure when it has more traffic
but as everyone said , you should watch the action and keep trying to avoid bots

This will never go anywhere.

The reason why people are being 'honest' and abstaining from using bots online is because they are actually love the game and play for the intellectual challenge and to improve.

But when you add betting to that, it all goes out of the window, it will never ever work.

I haven't played chess for many years. Saw this post and I am going to challenge someone

Well then, I guess that creates another market opportunity: figure out what bot/program a player is using, and design one to counter it (or download one, if you can't be bothered). In the end, you might end up with a programming competition, rather than a chess match. ;)

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Tell that to Kasparov - where have you been these last 20 years? :P

Chess is a perfect information game (that is, a game where both players have full knowledge of the complete state of the game), with relatively few movement options - perfect for computers to play, and win, against humans. Furthermore, their capabilities only improve with each passing year, alongside processing power and changes in programming techniques.

Assuming they make their own engine, and most of the gambling is rather small, I doubt anyone will spend the effort to develop a bot for this.
Anyways, I see this as completely fair. I can imagine that every single person competing would just end up downloading a chess AI and manually copying in the moves.
It's going to be about who can google "free chess software" better.

is it even possible to win against the pc on it? im pretty sure its unbeatable is it? or are there levels of it?

Hmm, I imagine it will depend on the specific chess program, but some will have a difficulty "level" you can set; however, what this usually translates to (and what you will likely have in all, or almost all chess engines) is how much time you're giving a computer to choose its move, how many moves ahead it will be allowed to look, whether it has a list of all typical opening moves and ending moves, and a few other options. So, you can definitely play against a beatable computer opponent if you want to.

yes i think it will be intresting,
currently i put deposit method as manual , but soon it will be instant deposit and withdraws,,
if any one is having any concern about payments can reply this post

Take a look at this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannon_number

Have you ever played chess? How come you think botting is a good idea?

i am pretty sure it wont have any success because people will start abusing it with bots, though its really sad that they do that

I like the concept to be able to bet on games of skill.

However unlike poker, bots in chess are essentially unbeatable. Chess bots are also a lot easier to use than poker bots so I am afraid this concept will not work.

Try to come up with new skill games for which bots do not exist yet

Chess software doesn't figure out the best possible move, as the figure you have shown assumes.
It simply needs to figure out a really good move. It usually looks 10-20 moves ahead, analysing different moves and looking at what effects it would have in the long run.
This is done by comparing the value lost or gained by each move in the equivalent of pawns, eventually figuring out which move will gain the most in positional or material advantage.
Sure, it can't look forward for the entire game, but it still can play better than any person can.

I think you're missing the point alani123. The idea isn't that chess is a simple and trivial game, for which a computer can easily come up with a perfect strategy; the idea is that a computer is much better at searching for the ideal course of action, many moves in advance, when compared to a human - even when compared to someone at a grandmaster level, let alone a casual player on the internet. In fact, we're now at a point that even a handheld device, a simple mobile phone, equipped with the latest chess engine, can outperform human players in chess tournaments.

But don't take my word for it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human-computer_chess_matches (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human-computer_chess_matches).

Edit: seems jambola2 beat me to it. :P

I just registered at your and its designed pretty well, I like sober graphics and although my fears are same as others I'll see if I can play some low staked games, so even if I end up losing to bots I won't lose anything substantial.

The idea of online chess with gambling don't go well together, if it did you would have seen it implemented already and it goes for all skilled based online games.

Any sign up promotions to test the site? If so, my nick is same there.

Also,why I asked for checkers,or waitvwait I have an idea! What about Othello or Reversi as people usually call it? Please please please!
You'll probably even find more partners that will be able to request you to become their allies.
Returning at why I chose checkers?I'm bad at chess.

Maybe in the 1950s, but in 2015 people are sneaking phones with bots on them into chess competitions and DESTROYING.  In fact, in giving an interview about the most recent incident (in which a grandmaster was caught using an iphone with chess software on it), the chief arbiter of the USCC said:

SIEGEL: I read one claim that the difference between cheating at chess and, say, taking a performance-enhancing drug for baseball or whatever other game is that somebody of virtually no talent given access to a computer could defeat a grandmaster nowadays. Is that true?

RICH: That's right. It would be like an amateur baseball player putting on a bionic suit to hit the ball 500 feet out and hit a homerun every time; it is that equivalent of aid.

http://www.npr.org/2015/04/15/399937742/chess-grandmaster-caught-in-high-tech-cheating-scheme

So, I'm pretty sure that you don't know what you're talking about.

The thing with chess and online gambling is it boils down to bots playing.  That has always been the main concern with online chess for money.  I agree this is a problem.  The only solution I know of is to have a community that validates users for not using bots.  Even this is not a end all solution as one could just play legit for some games and then cheat.

There are ''counter chess engines'' out there in many famous chess websites that can detect you using a powerful engine by looking at your moves and you will get caught, believe me, of course its not infallible but it's better than nothing.

Its working? I really want to play with bitcoins hehe  ;D
Challenge me anyone..

You're not wrong. The specific comment I was replying to was just me pointing out how silly the term "chess bot" was in my opinion. Sure, there is software that when combined with strong hardware (among other things mentioned later) is close to impossible to beat by humans. But an important aspect thing about them is that they have access to many opening books and tablebases. Stockfish for example (the highest ranking chess AI) even has a voluntary "botnet" of people donating processing power for it to learn.

i am sure it will be not easy for some one to run a bot on this site. i wll keep capture each match and will analyisis players moves, and will make sign up system we hard so it will be not easy for a bot to log in in this site

Hmm, yes, the term "chess bot" might seem to be a bit misleading; although to be fair, it's still accurate: chess programs aren't endowing the computer with any greater understanding of how chess is played - it's still mostly an automation task, where the computer is using brute force to check all the possible outcomes in any given situation (access to typical opening and closing moves doesn't change this; they're just another tool).

But more importantly, as I previously alluded to, and as Revelation Machine (now that's an original nickname :P) pointed out as well, you don't really need strong hardware, or any other elaborate schemes, in order to have an already (close to) unbeatable computer opponent; a simple smart phone will do nowadays - in other words, anyone has access to them.

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I'm not sure if increasing the difficulty of signing up, and other such measures, is a good idea - they might end up making the site less useable, while not really stopping players from using their favorite chess program to cheat. But, perhaps analyzing player moves as you mentioned, maybe along the lines of what XinXan previously suggested, might help somewhat.

That's quite problematic too, to be honest. If it is not done in realtime, as in the analysis will be done after the match (as the "i will keep capture each match" suggests), withdrawals will be delayed. This will be bad for any site, especially if they are new.
Chess.com is a rather famous site. How do they do it ? They wait for reports from players of cheating. After a player is reported for cheating, their plays will be monitored and analysed. Not one game, over multiple games.
An online chess website that involves money can't afford to let a cheater poach their regular players, but they cannot also risk banning players that are just good at chess.
Also, banning won't mean much. On chess.com, there are very few tournaments with prize money, and those are open to only established players. Most of whom pay between 5-14$ a month for various tiers of membership. On the other hand, losing an account after breaking even wouldn't mean much. Boot up a proxy, start cheating again.

TL;DR: Stopping cheating is hard when there is no monetary incentive. When there is money involved though, it's pretty near impossible.

oh realy?i love chess, but I've never played for money/btc... i must try:)

edit: yupi!! i have account. very interesting idea;)

Your site looks great!!! And congrats for coming up with a new idea ..... i love chess and i look forward to earn few bitcoin by playing chess on your site

i like play chess i'm waiting your challenge. anyone try play the tournament?

Cheating needs to be addressed.Everyone could use his external chess program to beat the other.
I think blitz games would be harder to exploit. We need blitz chess.

I think it would really have to be Lightning Chess for people to have trouble using bots. ;)

But no, that wouldn't work either - not only would players still use some form of bot to copy moves directly to their chess engine (without the need for human intervention), but the computer program would still be better than the human players, despite the time constraints.

this won't work. I think 90% of the participants will try to cheat using bots or an external chess game. this will always happen on any online chess games.

I agree with you and all others, chess sites are easy to exploit and players will surely cheat to earn bitcoin by using external chess game

Lightning chess would only work if the board size, piece dimensions, etc were randomized and changed often to avoid automatic screen capture by a computer.

That's an interesting idea, but I still doubt it would work - off the top of my head: the board is still a grid with 8 x 8 squares, regardless of the actual size of each square, and their colors will still alternate in a predictable manner (even is the colors change somewhat); and the starting positions for all the pieces are still the same, even if a script would need to search around for the right place on the board (I imagine it would then not be too hard for such a program to hold the image of a piece in memory and then compare, maybe a number of border pixels on that image, to the pieces present in the board).

So, I assume this would make cheating by most players fairly hard¹; but considering there is money involved, the site is going to get some dedicated cheaters in there, I'm sure. Also, if the developers take it too far (like, not using actual squares for each position in the grid), they risk turning the board into a piece of modern art, which may scare away a few players. :D

1 - Well, if cheaters really want to use a bot for that. At some point, it might just be easier for them to, for example, share the prize money with someone else, and have them manually copy the moves to another device (say, a smartphone), while the first copies the result back to the site; or some other similar arrangement.

I know how to play chess but I don't think it's really worth the time for chess.  Not for me anyways.  I prefer in-person games to see the thoughts on other players faces.  Man, I thought poker was boring.  I can just imagine an online chess game.  The timers would be interesting.  People could really cheat and get computer help on best moves but maybe a strict timer system would curtail the cheating but then also limit the game play.  yeah, just don't see it for me.

Thats fine, but what about a passive bot where a player is doing the actually moves, but a bot is deciding them?  It would be virtually undetectable.

Actually implenting something as such wouldn't be too difficult. There is already an chess algo which is used to beat maybe gambling websites.

But it depends how much time someone has.

Your starting page needs a major overhaul. It seems as if you have bought a premade layout and haven't edited the default info on it.

This discussion made me think of the challenges that had kasparov against deep Blue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJarxpYyoFI

What about you set your windows chess no the maximum level and use the moves it uses against you to play vs others.  I guess that doesn't help you if there are questions relating to chess strategy but it does make you very hard to beat.

I was thinking the same and yet, even for othello there would be the same problem, there is an app that tells you which is the best move to do and which is ev- so yeah... it would be still a nice challenge... add Othello mate.

Yeah, this is exactly what I was thinking.  Even my old copy of chessmaster, which is not supposed to have the best engine out there from what I understand, could beat 99% of human players I think.

What the heck, I might as well fire up the old beast of a game lol.

If the owner finds a way to ensure the players that they are actually playing against humans then it could work.

People have talked about how impossible that is for 3 pages now. It is clear that the owner doesn't care. And why should he care? Since it is p2p, he gets his house cut regardless of whether bots are used.

Stay away if you're an honest player.

Great games concept, but any new update from op about real live players vs players??

Actually i dont care if i must play again others else that have both anatoly karpov and garry Kasparov brain running beside him  :D

Btw anyone have any side for playing chess base on bitcoin??

I love playing chess. And If the owner cared to make his game more trustable I would have surely played. Its a nice concept but owner should really pay attention to comments and take action.

Well, to be fair, there is only so much anyone can do under the circumstances - there probably is no realistic way to stop players from cheating at these types of online games, and rewarding them with money for their efforts will only make it worse.

Still, the developers do seem to be paying attention to comments and, at least, trying to take action:

Does anyone play on here yet? I checked on the site a couple times recently and there were no games to join. I understand I run a risk of playing against a bot but I would like to give it a shot either way.

not enough traffic for the site thats why there are no games to be found.

Yes the site yet doesn't have much traffic , i too had checked on site many times but did not find games to join....

I'm a chess player myself and if we aren't playing with bots here, there is a higher chance of winning if you are good with chess.
I sure would be playing such if someone could just confirm users playing with users here in bitcoin community. :)

How? I say "hi enhu, let's play a game".
You play against "jambola2" on the website.
I open up a chess program in the background, type in every move you play, and destroy you.
You might decide to put negative trust on me for botting.
But what proof do you have? I may be a GM level player.
The only thing you could do is decide to play with people you trust a lot. Then it becomes more of a question of why are you using this website? Play on a free website and directly play the person you're playing with. You won't have to even pay the house rake.

Hi,

I had a Chess game installed on my PC (not there now), but still have another one on my mobile.
When mimicking the plays of the PvE, taking black in the PvP game has the advantage, unless the move is the same.

The fairness of the game is challenged, and you will never know whether you are playing against a bot in reality or not, and soon you will start using it too (esp. if you lose ;)).

Well, my app supports handicaps, so the best way is to change the game, literally. :)

Switch the positions of the Bishop and Knight in the chessboard, and Voila! you get a chess game that you can play with real opponents!

Just invented Anti-Bot Chess (ABC), the PvP version of the Chess. ;D

I think people would play othello more easly without the absurd risk of botting, even if there is a chance for it to be done, it would be easier to play so it would be more fun.

whats the point of doing that? almost all thinking games can be botted, what would lead to people getting mad about it, i think there is no need to create such gambling websites

You do realize that most chess programs allow you to set the starting positions of the pieces in the board, right? :P

Other than that, that change would probably make the moves of the opening book irrelevant, but would otherwise not make much of a difference, I suppose: the difference in abilities between human and computer players would still be the same. And indeed, as long as the game's rules are fairly similar (in this case, as long as they amount to a perfect information game with relatively few possible moves), bots will still have the advantage.

People always seeks for easy profit, you can't stop the idea of being rich doing nothing, nothing can stop a scammer to do so.

Well a lot of people complain about bots in chess but isnt poker pvp the same thing? Arent there bots that know exactly what to play and when to play it? How come no one is bothered or affected by that?

Because most people plays freerolls. or low stakes so they aren't bothered by that.
Even if you are Ivey or someone else, you just play your best to win pennies.
The problem comes when the player in question plays a big guaranteed.
There people would be bothered, but until now I saw noone complain.

I've never played a lot of poker personally, but I'm under the impression that bots are still somewhat limited in that game; something like, only able to win at one type of game, one player versus another, and with limited bets - has this changed?

I mean if there are chess engines strong enough to beat the best players at chess, a super complex game for engines and without using brutforce i figured that there must be engines to win at poker and any other game eventually but i have no idea about poker bots, thats why i asked

well yeah, thats why because such pvp sites should not be created as the fair game cant exist because of people greed, in my opinion it would be better to play against different levels of AI

limit holdem is considered a solved game
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/this-robot-is-the-best-limit-texas-holdem-player-in-the-world

no limit and other varients such as omaha are not "solved" yet

Ah i see, pretty interesting but chess engines are not perfect either and they can win against humans, in the article it says that the robots would do pretty good in a no limit game against humans but doesnt specify how good, could they win in the long run against the top poker players?

Hmm, but the problem is, as far as I understand it at least, that chess isn't a super complex game. By the nature of the game (all the board information being available to both players; relatively few movement options each turn; simple rules), it's ideal for computers to play using brute force; that is, checking a huge number of possible moves, and choosing the one that gives them the most advantage.

Poker, on the other hand, isn't a perfect information game (you don't know what cards the other players are holding, or what cards will be on the table), which makes it more complicated for a bot to play well. Of course, that isn't to say they won't be able to do so eventually, as hardware, and mainly the algorithms used to play the game, improve - but they're not there yet (except for one or two specific variants of the game).

If player can interact while playing on the site will assure somewhat that we are playing against humans..... video calling can be a good option

I suppose it would also be necessary for the site to have a view of both players' screens, for that to have a chance of working - but even then, that wouldn't really prevent a scenario where a cheater would have an accomplice watching the game, and using a chess engine to then show the best moves to the first.

i just created an account there, very simple site and looks nice.
but is there any possibility to create a bot player , so we can play anytime,
no need to wait another player online, because now i see just one player online.

i dont know how to play in chess
i dont have skill for it, because we need a strategy to win.
but i want to try it to learn about chess.

it requires tremendous amount of time to master chess. tactics, strategy, practice etc..

You need skills to get your strategy, and thatis not one time show and you can master it all. You need to play longer time to learn the tactics because there are so many tactics in chess, one wrong move you will end up losing. And playing chess to earn bitcoin? I dont think that is a good choice because you need to consume so much time just to win one game against whoever it is

i didn't quite understand how it works. are you affiliated with them or just informing others. i think you should make an announcement page in this section advertising the site or even make a signature campaign.

anyways i wanted to know if it is playing against a bot or can i play chess against other humans (PvP) and bet against each other?

yes site is ready, it is still to simple , i dnt yet done search enigine optimization and other seo, still i get good response i am looking to make it more easy one ,
if any one have any issue about deposit and withdraw can PM me

players vs players only.
i do not think playing against computer is easy one,

i don't know how to play i will train for free and then be prepared to lose  ;D ;D ;D ;D

For the humans may be if the game difficult is adjusted, but it is much harder to make a decent computer intelligence to play.

And I see people using bots to play against players and win, if the site becomes successful

very good.
i like playing chess , i might pay it a visit and play some matches there if i have time later on.

yes you will find it intresting:)

Yes the site and idea is really cool but still players will use chess algorithms and will play according to it

yes maybe you are right , but it's still really great to play chess and to throw some coins
there are some skilled players that won't mind even if they are playing against bot moves so maybe they will throw some mbtc and try to beat that bots

Yes a good chess player has always got a fair and good chance to beat a bot... never matter how good the bot is

well its impossible to beat the good programmed bot as even professional players loose against them so i believe ordinary players like me have no chances if someone will play an unfair game

Wow what a skeptic community. Everything has a loophole/bot/scam. How do I know you all aren't fake accounts wanting to make a chess game and FUD this or something absurd lol. It is not easy to just create a chess algorithm, or hook up a chess algorithm to any site. Also, feel out the site, if you understand so well the chess mechanics you can tell if you are playing a bot. Also, bet an amount you don't care to lose.

Interesting idea OP and good luck with it!

Skeptic for good reason,I believe this idea was floated around a few times(Chess for cash) and recall joining one of those site around 2009 and it was bot infested within a month. Its just like trade bots and poker bots,people will take the advantage every time.

That said I forgot about this thread and interested to see how it is doing.

Skeptic for an okay reason I suppose, but no point in ruining his thread. 90% of this chat has been speculating about a bot, well lets wait and find out for real.

Feel free to join my thread if you want to play for free.

No prizes, just the opportunity for the bitcointalk community to play a top rated player for free!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1148538.msg12096904#msg12096904

Cheating is a major issue in chess so I do not recommend playing for bitcoin online (unless your goal is solely entertainment).  Many tournaments now have strict rules to prevent players from accessing computer aided assistance during games.

I can confirm that every chess player in the world would currently lose in a long match versus a top computer. There is a very small chance for a human to win (and larger chance to draw especially with white) in any given game but ZERO chance any human would win a long match.

This is not an issue open for debate in 2015. This was a legitimate debate in the 1990's
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Blue_versus_Garry_Kasparov

How can I find someone to play this site?

Did you read my post? I am one of the top players in the world and I would not play for bitcoin against a stranger online. My caveat was that if you are just betting a small amount for purely entertainment reasons then I see no problem. Most people are unlikely to cheat if playing for a very small amount as it is essentially just a waste of time.

It does not matter if the site operator is completely honest or has "software to detect bots". There are free chess programs available that any user could run from another machine completely undetected good enough to beat me or anyone else. You will not find one Grandmaster who disagrees with me regarding the strength of current chess engines.

If you want to bet against someone who you know and trust completely, then do so.  I see no purpose of involving a 3rd party gambling site to hold your funds or take a cut. There are many free websites and mobile apps you can use for free to play against someone you know.

Chess and gambling? It makes no sense.
To gamble, chance should be a part of the game. It will make more sense if others can bet on players.

An avid chess player cannot beat top-tier chess software, which is free. Stockfish has a rating of 3000+ and the top player in the world plays at a rating of ~2800

I think that has been mentioned about a million times already, in this thread alone. :P

At any rate, even if the general idea is right, comparing the rating of a computer chess program with a human player directly doesn't tend to work very well, due to the way ratings are calculated¹ - basically, there aren't enough high profile computer versus human matches for that to provide very accurate information by itself (though, again, it's undisputed that computer engines can be much stronger than human players).

1 - see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_engine#Comparisons (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_engine#Comparisons), below the engine's table.

This is the reason it's hard to make any PVP based casino game. When people smell money they will spend long hours making hacks to take advantage of the system and PvP games need to receive a lot of input from the player's computer, which is a weakness.

that's pretty insane but for someone to have programmed that wouldn't they have been able to produce a score that is 3000+ also? , or am i just completely wrong

I can't access the site.  ???

Forbidden

You don't have permission to access / on this server.
Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

Well, no, that's not really how it works. In this case, computer programs rely first and foremost in their capacity to quickly look ahead through the large number of available moves, analyzing every possible course of action and its consequence, within a set time frame (optimized with some clever algorithms, so they don't actually waste time checking any and every move) - something that a human player just can't really do as well, or as fast (even if they know how that process works in theory).

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There are at least a few ways to overcome the advantage computers have: one way could be to increase the number of possible moves in a game; another could be to avoid perfect information games (where both/all players have access to all available information on the status of the game).

ah, thanks for clearing that up for me, after that post i googled a little bit about the subject and found out pretty much what you explained, thanks though

Very cool!
Finally! a chess game site where we can play for Bitcoin and one perfectly suitable for Bitcoiners

I don't really think there's a good way to prove that you're not using a computer to play against the players, this site wasn't thought through.

Chess bots are unavoidable.  The best chess bots are far better than any human chess player, including world champions.  In almost all cases, forcing a draw would be the best anyone can do; the brute force calculation is too strong.  See the history of chess bots such as "Stockfish" to get an idea of what you'd be up against.  These bots are accessible to the average person, and people would certainly use them if allowed. 

Yeah, I would really avoid wagering any money on this site if you're up against a computer. You have no way of telling what kind of "difficulty" it's set at, if it's even restricted at all.

not many people like playing chess because need spend many time to playing this game

You don't have permission to access / on this server.
Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request

Yeah I can not connect to the site but everyone talking about it at the above.  :-\ Do they connect or just only we do not connect?

i think the server is down i got 403 error , it mean the site turn scam or the site didn't have much membre.
bad ending for chess gambling game.

oh thanks for explanation. We can not show or skills then  ;D I can play like Kasparov  :D Just kidding.

Come visit me im only a second placer during my high school days but its a long way ago. Im more hard to defeat now you should try to beat me haha just kidding too

soo this not gonna happen i mean this site its condamed to be bot trickied adn also does not do the 404 into a good link?
thats from the general reading what i could get.
i feel a bit dizzy now if im going to play chess but im not even a good player soo i pass this site thans for you all for the sugesstions

I really like to play chess, I want to test my skills with others :D

I also experienced the same thing, the site could not be opened " 403 forbidden "

Not a good idea, not everyone is a chess player and if anybody wants to play with a bot then they would rather do so without betting on it. i didn't saying that other board games couldn't be created but chess but chess happens to be something that can a bot involved in the game and could become extremely hard to play with. This is my honest opinion.

Maybe it can be human vs human. You can pay for playing and if you win the chess, you'll get the money. The site which provides the sevice of chess, can get some commision from every game.

Yes chess is very hard to be deal with, perhaps a huge advertisement could help to get people to play chess in multiplayer and not against bots online there are thousands or millions of players around the world and could be enough to prevent bots getting involved in the game.

As chance is not involved in chess, CHESS cannot be considered as gambling at all!

Just because chess is a game of skill does not mean the outcome is certain or that one player is favored. Better players can provide time or material odds to compensate for their skill advantage.  This happens fairly often in chess tournament lobbies.

Betting on chess online is still a horrible idea because of the high risk of cheating described in this thread.  I play chess online frequently but only for fun. No gambling is ever involved.

I really liked the game of chess
there may be no harm in playing chess while risking bitcoin 'it might be a kind of gambling, but uses the original strategy

Everyone is not a chess player and if anybody wants to play with a bot then they would rather do so without betting on it. i didn't saying that other board games couldn't be created but chess happens to be something that can a bot involved in the game and could become extremely hard to play with. This is my honest opinion.

There does not have to be any pattern. The problem is that it could be a player, but he could just be copying his opponent moves, put them on the software, and them copy the PC move to your site. He will probably win most of his games like this, and will not have any pattern, and will respond to chat etc etc. That is the problem in chess games when you play to win coins.

I would really like to see a platform like this, but it's impossible to prevent players from cheating, that's why I don't think an online chess game for money will ever work.

Good luck on your site though. It looks good.

You don't understand gambling. To gamble is to risk something, be it money, property or something else.
When there are two players involved there is always a chance one of them will win and you are gambling by choosing the same way people bet on professional CSGO or Starcraft players.

Site's hosting account is already dead, but i like the idea about mixing chess with bitcoin winning. But i was quite late to see how this site works.

|You are right, if you access the site all you get is: "This Account Has Been Suspended" info and that is it.
I guess there wasn't many chess players who wanted to play for money, but then again, with chess you can cheat with by just running chess program in the background.

Yeah, computers these days are way more powerful than the strongest grandmasters in the world. You can cheat with chess much more easily than anything else.

I don't think that its a good idea to play chess for bitcoin as it will be very difficult to win against computer. Not everyone can play the chess and winning against bot will be difficult task.  I believe that that chess is one of the hardest board games to exploit with automation. People will play against bot just for fun  but they will not ready to loose their bitcoins.

it says "This Account Has Been Suspended" looks like your website got taken down, i woulda loved to play chess while betting bitcoin tho sounds great.

It looks like you haven't paid the hosting or you use too much resources. I'm interested to play on it.

This is too tough ! How can we expect to beat a machine in a chess game ? If the algorithm is complex enough and purely based on AI,then I don't think we can exactly outsmart it.It would be nice if we had an option to challenge any player of our choice and bet on any amount that we both accept to pay.

That is probably correct for the most of us, but some players can. The problem in challenging a player, i that you don't know if he wont just use a software and win the game :/

Is this game still going? I dont think people are challenging their skill to AI here because first thing it will wasting your time and the prize to this game is low. I dont know if this game is already closed or not because this thread is long ago

I cant access the site its always say the account is supended i think the site owner closed it. or the owner banned from the hosting site

how i wish reversi can be included in it as i am a fan of reversi. but sadly to say, the website has been down at this point of time.

Even if it was up, you might end up playing against people who cheat with chess programs and beat you. Better to go gamble lol.

Yes, agreed with you that there is possibility of such things so its better to be careful. As per me everyone can not play the chess and winning against bot will be difficult task and I believe that that chess is one of the hardest board games to exploit with automation so its better to maintain the distance from such a risky game rather than loosing your btc.

Looks like the website is have a something malicious :-\
https://www.virustotal.com/en/url/9d563b0aa4d59856ed410787d1f5c664a15a876cd408ad98b9a3ac265f1b76d9/analysis/

Same is happening to me. i registered yesterday and played a little bit. after i tried to login today, i've got the message that my account has been suspended. i do not know why :/

Be careful to sign up there, look at my post above you, possibly the site have malware.

oh my, that is so creepy. glad that you warn us before i do anything. i almost want to sign up to have a look at the inside. chess sure is a soft spot for me.

okay people are already saying the website is with malware or other red flags.

so its a shame.. cause chess is really an awesome game esp. since I played it ever since I was a kid.

I really like chess to, but it will never go to the btc world, it's just impossible. So I will be suspicious about every site that wants to gamble from chess. This one was just another example.

Sounds great ! What are the probabilities of winning though ? I know if  you have used very advanced algorithms then beating an average betters is quite a simple tasks.It will check-mate opponents in no time .This game is totally based on intelligence which I believe in average players in less as compared to machines .So yeah I don't think I can beat a machine if its highly advanced .

i thought i could play chess online using my bitcoin but it seems the site is already Suspended and also OP doesn't active at this forum since few month ago
what a pity...

Well, a computer playing chess will typically go through every possible move (with some degree of optimization), and choose the one that yields the most profit. Now, although that process can indeed defeat human players, it's not really due to what most would describe as intelligence (not in a general intelligence sense, at least); it's just a brute force approach.

At any rate, unless some changes were made to the site (and it still seems to be offline at the moment), I think the idea was to allow PvP games plus bets, and not exactly player versus computer games (though that's what it would eventually become if someone were to cheat).

Yes all this website stuff is too insecure because we have such rich technologies out there .Plus machine learning algorithms are again something we might take into consideration before playing against them .If you're to challenge someone you know either personally or through internet the game might be legit but playing totally random is too risky .

I cant access the site. the site say account supended. I think the site is no longer active.Anyone guys do you have any known site that has a chess for bitcoin?

I don't think any site like that will ever exist. I mean why do you even want to play chess for btc?
You beat you opponent in a game that requires "intelligence" (there are many types of intelligence so don't really like using this word here, but I don't remember anything else lol) and skill, so why do you want to earn coins on top of that?

Besides even if you needed the coin factor to play chess and get "happy" about it, this will never work online as players will just cheat and use software to beat you.

your logic sounds weird.

so by going to your way of logic, apply to sport (and change a few words),
'I don't think any site like that will ever exist. I mean why do you even want to play sport for btc?
You beat you opponent in a game that requires "skills" and stragety, so why do you want to earn coins on top of that?'

people bets on these sport all because of the belief in their skills! so why cant people bets on their belief in intelligent. just like football/ruby, it is really a game of intelligent/stragety.

but of course, i have to say that if btc/$$ is involved, a lot of ppl will just download the best software n use those to win. not all software r the best, but some chess has the best software created like checkers or so. so if you use the best software, it is almost a win for you.

also chess may have still mate so it could also end in a draw in which some betting site dont like that.

I am absolutely try my chess skills for bitcoins because i like playing chess.

Yeah you can go ahead and give it a try but simply playing chess won't help you beating the bots in the game .The games are of high difficulty and its not easy for an average chess player to beat the algorithms .You should atleast be a medium to high level chess player to win this game .Not to forget but you're betting your money in it so might as well be cautious : p

I don't think that its a good idea to play chess to earn bitcoins. It will be really difficult to beat the BOT and I don't think that people will use their bitcoins to play chess. IF they wants to play chess then there are so many sites available where you can play and there is no need to pay bitcoins or other type of money.

ya beating the bot would be hard, but how cool would it be if you could play another human in a chess match online and put btc on the line

Online chess? I could make a lot of bitcoins here given that there are a lot of softwares dedicated on playing chess. ::) Hard to tell whether your opponent is cheating or not.

Yes, this will be superb, Those who wants to feel the real excitement of this game and also wants to earn some money can go for such betting. Playing with bot and playing with human will be different things and it will attract more people.

i would also support this. i woudnlt call myself extremely good at chess. but the idea that your win chance depends on your skill is really cool. looking forward to seeing someone develop this.

Well, this thread is proof of one such attempt, and if you try visiting the site, you will see the result - it's already offline.

The problem is, there is no way to tell whether or not someone is cheating in online chess; so, why would anyone want to bet their BTC in a match against (potentially) a bot? In fact, if you read the vast majority of the replies to this thread, that's exactly what is consistently pointed out: "it's a nice idea, but there is no way to make it work" (not for chess, anyway).

Yep, if you want to play chess for money, just go to a park and challenge someone out there.
Don't know if it is illegal though xD

If i have a skill of making a flash chess game with bitcoin  and i put a game person vs person play or person vs computer.. i will share it here because we all know that sport chess good to and using our brain to make a good move..
I have an idea You can suggest to a escrow for bets then we just search a online chess game person vs person then who wins escrow give the price for the winner then tips for escrow... What do you think?

Well same problem with all online chess games.
How will you make sure that the human player will not just use a chess program to simulate his moves?
I mean you make a move, I put in the chess program and the computer makes the move, and I copy that move to your game. How can you stop that from happening?

(I'm afaid you can't, so don't do a chess game with bitcoins :/)

that is awesome idea, finally good sport where you need to think and not just hope for best, for bitcoins too

just wouldn't bots be a huge problem?  i mean someone could create bot and always win  bitcoins, and it would be really hard to beat bot, so many people would leave game

Backgammon had the same issue,it was to easy for people to just set up bots and play the edges to make a profit.
Its to bad I would love to play chess for bitcoin as well.

The preceding was las november and the thread is was abandoned. So why bumped it up?

How would you structure that kind of game? If you set it up for human vs computer, you cannot force it to make the moves you want it to make, because the computer makes the moves for you. I have a chess game on my phone, and I cannot tell it what moves it must make or plan strategies in advance for it. I am not saying it is not possible, because there are many different Chess Apps out there. If someone found a anti-cheat for a concept like this, it might just work. ^smile^

It is not possible to find anti cheat for playing Chess over the internet. The mere nature of the game allows it to be exploited in online environment very easily.
And if money will be at stake here then there is no doubt we will have many cheaters playing. Just stick to the Chess as not hazard game and it will be fine.

You don't need to force the computer program to make any move whatsoever - like he said, you just need to start the chess program, take the position of the other player on your phone app (that is, you copy the other player's moves to the app), let the computer make its move, then copy the move the computer made to the site. :P

In case you want to cheat mid-game, however, then you do have to use a chess program that lets you configure the starting positions - but that's about it, and shouldn't be too hard to find, I think.

that's the point, soon someone would create a bot that plays games for them, even with huge bets, and they would usually win, so it would be really unfair

and on the other hand, brain sport like chess is awesome idea, i would play it same as i do with bitcoin poker because i like skill based games more than luck based ones

Chess is actually a very nice game for mind thinking. I actually admire people who are playing chess they are so bright. It is really hard for me to try on this game for I do not really know how to do it. If someone is free I would really love if you can teach me. So that I can join..

This would be a really neat idea if you could be certain that you weren't playing against bots. Then again, you could build in some protection against that.

I can play chess really well. So it will be nice if I can win that I have some Bitcoins, but not everyone can play chess.
And that is the problem. It is just for fun and some games are really long and that is also very tired.

I like the idea but playing anything but physical chess games for bitcoin is not serious, there are a big number of bots available and no human can beat a top computer at chess since it's too mathematical even for luck to have an effect.

Well i think not you can still win even in computer even its just a program you can still win but depends in your skill if you are more knowledge than computer you can win but if you are noob in playing chess you will be lose better to stop or find away to learn more about chess..
If you are genius you can win a lot of bitcoins in chess.

Think it was partygaming that tried to get backgammon up and going,even had televised games like the poker scene.
It never took off due to cheating issues and as long as those optics are there its bad for business.

even if you have very good skill during playing chess game but if you trying playing against bots i'm pretty sure that house will always win and i think this game will not popular if available for bitcoin and i personally not interested playing chess against house

Even if you consider yourself very strong chess player I doubt that you will win against some amazing chess programs, widely available for everyone.
As for the time consumption, isn't there usually a limit for your move? It can be easily set that 1 move=max 4 minutes or something.

I can play chess really well so I wont be scared to lose any money. It will be nice that you can chess for Bitcoin.
Than you will make Bitcoin more popular and that is quite good. But it is hard to promote it, because not everyone can play chess.

oh i am sad that i missed this one. this site is offline at the moment. is it possible to bring back this site OP .

unfortunately skil chess I have still arguably an amateur, I am keen to try out the skills that I have, but maybe I'll lose a few steps away, because I am not that great a master chess thinking this game, and I took a long time to make strategy   :)

People on page 8 and earlier were saying the site has malware, so be careful guys... Also, the idea is really cool, however people can cheat with software and it's not gonna be fun to play against a machine and lose.

play chess for money is pointless, there is no luck factor unlike in poker.

It will be nice to play some chess for Bitcoin. But you never know what will happen with the value of Bitcoin and that will be bad.
And if you win some with chess. Than you can be proud to win some Bitcoin because you won self that Bitcoin.

And that is exactly why we need some games like that. I mean games which are pure skill based and luck has a little to do with the outcome.
It would be amazing to test your skill in some games vs. real opponents and got paid for your wins.

I cant play chess that well. Because I dont like that mind games. But it will be nice if you can some earn Bitcoins with chess.
Than I will learn how to play chess. And exercise and later going to some earn Bitcoins with chess. That will be great.

Why do you need some luck factor to play chess? All you need is skills and btw poker sure need some skills too and luck is just a little part of it. Why people dont play chess for money because it s really takes time and your mind to focus on the game and the payout of winning is not really good enough

Someone will builde a bot for that and that would make the game pointless. It is super duper easy to make a bot for that if you've scripting some bot for other sites.

Chess is very challenging game if you have no brain or skills to play chess you cant defeat enemy even a bot.
But you are a pro in chess you can make lots of bitcoin..  but never heard that there's a site for chess player for bitcoin

I thought this was a multiplayer real player vs real player game, not a real player vs bot game. It would be really cool to have a PvP chess game. Honestly playing against the machine is not what I would call fun, specially since you never know the skill of the machine when you are betting money. It could be rigged. I would trust playing vs a stranger, or vs a friend if you are paranoid, that would be more fun.

Chess is pretty difficult if you ask me, there are some people that are pretty good at it but for me its nothing more than a stupid game.
If I'm honest chess is just to difficult to me so that is why I do not play it.

The point isnt that its difficult its that since you are playing it over the internet its very easy to cheat.

Is the page skill working? I'm very sceptical when it comes to chess for BTC, mainly because of bot problems, but I like chess, so I usually try the sites, but after trying your site I got to an error page, saying "SORRY". Is there a problem?

Yes it doesn't work for me either. WOnder if it was ever up and running or did they lose their hot wallet due to bot scams.

It was meant to happen sooner or later. All those Bitcoin games end up bankrupt because they never put enough effort. To maintain such a service you need to put a lot of attention and keep it up to date pretty much daily, not release it and forget about it and hope it keeps making money automatically.

You said it is cheating? I mean what for cheat on something like chess? Can you win something from playing chess? If you can win like 1 btc may be it is worth enough to cheat but this game is takes time plus the payout is not really good so what for people cheating? I think this doesnt make sene

nice game,and bitcoin always succes if combaining with any sports.
but,i hate chess,start fromwhen i was child,i play it with small chess game,and always lose from my brother,and my dad said that i'm fool,since that time i hate chess,and of course still lose against my brother,i'de more like to playing other sport than chess.

Wow life story sharing. Chess is a game that needs of the mind and use of neurons inside the brain to make a win. But if you always losing then the gae is not for you. But to call someone a fool is not a nice thing to say id say. Because it will help the person to lose self confidence.

Do you get satoshi even ? Who has ?
I can't find out to change the difficulty level. :( how do i ?
And what's the prize per difficulty level ?

Well, at the moment, you don't - the site isn't even online anymore (nor has it been in a long time, I think).

Damn , just now saw the thread of chess skills for bitcoin and was happy to know that their is a site with bitcoin for chess, and now at the end of the comment i am seeing that the site is closed.

can anyone tell me if their is any bitcoin site for chess , i really want to play chess for bitcoin.

Even if there was, would you really want to play there?

I mean, just look through the 11 pages of users discussing the possibility of others cheating through the use of bots - human players wouldn't stand a chance. :P

Looks like your sites down buddy.  ???

There must be someway to stop it :(

Guys,  this site is down anyways,  this thread should be locked.

i searched for thing like this for long time and finally i found this, really awesome thing because i wanted to find game to play for bitcoins, skill based one not luck, i found poker but i am too bad for it

but bots is huge problem, do you have anything to fight them off? they would surely ruin all the gambling and playing experience thus people wouldnt get high quality entertainment at all

How does it work? is that tournament or head to head play.how they pay bitcoin?

I would always fancy skill games but again you never know if you are playing against computer or human.

I will love to play face to face chess for btc really !

A chat box might help. But chess takes time to play although i used to play chess i dont think it can get more players each time since this game is for people with more time to waste not like me.

Is this website still available, because I can't seems to find it? have anyone try it? Does it really pay? Thank you

Their site is already down for months and op is last active here on July.

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What can you expect? ::)

This is a great idea there should be a website specifically for this hmmm

What are you talking about? The site once opened but already gone now. Not sure if there is any other one around

I did not know this that you could play chess in order to win bitcoins. Is this real or are they just trying to attract people to go this site?

It will be very nice if you can chess for Bitcoin, but the bad thing is that you are playing a long time for some Bitcoins and not everyone has the patience for it to wait a long time.
But it can be nice if you can play some chess for Bitcoin, but it will takes a long time.

The main fault in this model would be the abuse-ability, unless everyone is playing in a fully watched way it's impossible to ensure no bots are in the game, And if there are bots the players odds wouldn't be fair at all.

Why bothering about this thread? I think it is already dead so long ago and there is no point to play chess because the payout is not good as the time we spend to play it. It is just not worth enough

i am a chess master is there any one who want to bit on chess game.

You going to add a faucet soon I hope....

So who wants to take me on ?
Challenges ?
 :-*